Guest guest Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 om amriteshwaryai namaha, [A devotee has asked Mother the difference between spiritual love and worldly love]. Son, love is love, but the intensity is different and the depth is different. Spiritual love is as deep as a bottomless pit. How deep and how expansive it is cannot be measured. Spiritual love is without limits or boundaries while worldly love is superficial and not very deep. The spirit of worldly love is not constant. Its rhythm fluctuates; it comes and goes. The beginning is always beautiful and enthusiastic, but slowly it gets less beautiful and less exciting until it ends up being shallow. In most cases, it ends up finally in upset, hatred and deep sorrow. " - Ammachi, Awaken Children, Vol.4 p229 (0212) jai jai mata amma ! jai jai mata amma ! jai jai mata amma ! jai jai mata amma ! jai jai mata amma ! jai jai mata amma ! om namah sivaya ! om namah sivaya ! om namah sivaya ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 I don't really like the question and the use of the words " worldly " and " spiritual " . The questioner is probably Rajasic, into Yoga who wants to divide everything into " Good " and " Bad " . We can probably rephrase it (I think I recall big Swami saying this) as love (with a small " l " ) (selfish, love for objects or the other) and Love (with a capital " L " ) (universal - borne out of self-acceptance, abiding in self, etc.). Thank you, Ravi Chivukula _____ Ammachi [Ammachi ] On Behalf Of amarnath Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:08 PM Ammachi spiritual love and worldly love om amriteshwaryai namaha, [A devotee has asked Mother the difference between spiritual love and worldly love]. Son, love is love, but the intensity is different and the depth is different. Spiritual love is as deep as a bottomless pit. How deep and how expansive it is cannot be measured. Spiritual love is without limits or boundaries while worldly love is superficial and not very deep. The spirit of worldly love is not constant. Its rhythm fluctuates; it comes and goes. The beginning is always beautiful and enthusiastic, but slowly it gets less beautiful and less exciting until it ends up being shallow. In most cases, it ends up finally in upset, hatred and deep sorrow. " - Ammachi, Awaken Children, Vol.4 p229 (0212) jai jai mata amma ! jai jai mata amma ! jai jai mata amma ! jai jai mata amma ! jai jai mata amma ! jai jai mata amma ! om namah sivaya ! om namah sivaya ! om namah sivaya ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 In the earlier books at least, Amma herself often makes the difference between the 'worldly' and 'spiritual'. Not so nowadays, as she depends on those 'worldly' types to donate money. And you can't use Rajas to describe Worldliness because the 'worldly' could be either Rajasic or Tamasic. Even though 'worldliness' is often used to describe Rajas, it's not a complete definition. Tamasic qualities are " bad " (ie, harmful). So if the use of 'worldly' in a sentence is meant to include Tamas, then yes, you can divide 'worldly' and 'spiritual' between 'good' and 'bad'. Ammachi , " Ravi Chivukula " <ravichivukula wrote: > > I don't really like the question and the use of the words " worldly " and > " spiritual " . The questioner is probably Rajasic, into Yoga who wants to > divide everything into " Good " and " Bad " . We can probably rephrase it (I > think I recall big Swami saying this) as love (with a small " l " ) (selfish, > love for objects or the other) and Love (with a capital " L " ) (universal - > borne out of self-acceptance, abiding in self, etc.). > > > > Thank you, > > Ravi Chivukula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 Perhaps another distinction on " love " and " LOVE " ??? In the secret cave of the heart, two are seated by life's fountain. The separate ego drinks of the sweet and bitter stuff, Liking the sweet, disliking the bitter, While the supreme Self drinks sweet and bitter Neither liking this nor disliking that. The ego gropes in darkness, while the Self lives in light. Katha Upanishaderhaps Ammachi , " Ravi Chivukula " <ravichivukula wrote: > > I don't really like the question and the use of the words " worldly " and > " spiritual " . The questioner is probably Rajasic, into Yoga who wants to > divide everything into " Good " and " Bad " . We can probably rephrase it (I > think I recall big Swami saying this) as love (with a small " l " ) (selfish, > love for objects or the other) and Love (with a capital " L " ) (universal - > borne out of self-acceptance, abiding in self, etc.). > > > > Thank you, > > Ravi Chivukula > > _____ > > Ammachi [Ammachi ] On Behalf Of > amarnath > Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:08 PM > Ammachi > spiritual love and worldly love > > > > om amriteshwaryai namaha, > > [A devotee has asked Mother the difference between spiritual love and > worldly love]. Son, love is love, but the intensity is different and > the depth is different. Spiritual love is as deep as a bottomless pit. > How deep and how expansive it is cannot be measured. Spiritual love is > without limits or boundaries while worldly love is superficial and not > very deep. The spirit of worldly love is not constant. Its rhythm > fluctuates; it comes and goes. The beginning is always beautiful and > enthusiastic, but slowly it gets less beautiful and less exciting until > it ends up being shallow. In most cases, it ends up finally in upset, > hatred and deep sorrow. " - Ammachi, Awaken Children, Vol.4 p229 (0212) > > jai jai mata amma ! jai jai mata amma ! jai jai mata amma ! > jai jai mata amma ! jai jai mata amma ! jai jai mata amma ! > om namah sivaya ! om namah sivaya ! om namah sivaya ! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 dear Tom, Is this what you do not like about Amma? Is this Her guilt? " DO NOT DESPISE THE SMALL ACT. Every small act, if you do it deeply, profoundly, can touch the whole universe. My small act, your small act, 'HER' acts, his small act. Millions of small acts will build a wonderful world. You can move the hearts of thousands of people. --Chan Khong (from " Fierce Compassion, " an interview in " Inquiring Mind, " Vol. 15, No. 1, Fall 1998) Or is it the underlying fear to take the plunge, dear Brother??? " Ramakrishna What will a man gain by merely reasoning about the words of the scriptures? Ah, how foolish! They reason themselves to death over information about the path. They never take the plunge. What a pity! ~Ramakrishna " Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote: > > In the earlier books at least, Amma herself > often makes the difference between the 'worldly' > and 'spiritual'. Not so nowadays, as she depends > on those 'worldly' types to donate money. > > And you can't use Rajas to describe Worldliness > because the 'worldly' could be either Rajasic > or Tamasic. Even though 'worldliness' is > often used to describe Rajas, it's not a > complete definition. > > Tamasic qualities are " bad " (ie, harmful). So > if the use of 'worldly' in a sentence is meant > to include Tamas, then yes, you can divide 'worldly' > and 'spiritual' between 'good' and 'bad'. > > Ammachi , " Ravi Chivukula " ravichivukula@ > wrote: > > > > I don't really like the question and the use of the words " worldly " and > > " spiritual " . The questioner is probably Rajasic, into Yoga who wants to > > divide everything into " Good " and " Bad " . We can probably rephrase it (I > > think I recall big Swami saying this) as love (with a small " l " ) > (selfish, > > love for objects or the other) and Love (with a capital " L " ) > (universal - > > borne out of self-acceptance, abiding in self, etc.). > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Ravi Chivukula > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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