Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Jitendarji, Love isnt Karmic, Moha(selfish attachment) is Karmic. I read this great thing once: A fool takes Knowledge for Wisdom Kindness for Stupidity Forgiveness for Weakness Selfish attachment for True Love love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > Jitendarji, Love isnt Karmic, Moha(selfish attachment) is Karmic. I > read this great thing once: > > A fool takes > > Knowledge for Wisdom > Kindness for Stupidity > Forgiveness for Weakness > Selfish attachment for True Love > > love > Shantnu > Shanji, Can you enlight me with examples please. I could not understand. Sarvamaatha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 > Shanji, > > Can you enlight me with examples please. I could not understand. > > Sarvamaatha. > A fool takes > > > > Knowledge for Wisdom Fools assume that just because they have read a few books, memorised the Gita, even written a few books, they have become wise, without any spiritual experience. > > Kindness for Stupidity When foolish people see others doing charity, he makes fun of them. " Whats the use of helping this beggar, he will just buy alcohol from it. " " I dont give to charities- most of money is wasted on management anyway " . They use this type of logic to avoid any kindness. > > Forgiveness for Weakness If you forgive a fool, he will never accept your greatness. Instead he will say things like " He was scared of me, thats why he forgave me. " Or that he deserved to be forgiven, because he is so great. > > Selfish attachment for True Love This applies to all the Romeo type lovers, who take sexual attraction or egoistical demands to be true love. You can tell the difference from True Love & selifh attachment, is that True Love doesnt get angry when its desires arent fulfilled. love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 > secondaly Lord Rama killed a beautifull dear (marichi)because of the > Love of Maan Sita , if i say to you. sorry little bit offending , > but please clearify it . Lord Rama also punished to someone in the > form of a crow , who touched the feet of Maan Sita . was it not the > Love of the Lord for Maan Sita. Ram didnt kill the deer because Sita said " If you love me, kill it " . Ram was a Kshatriya, a warrior, & killing was normal for Kings. Besides, they lived in the jungle, & hunting was one of few sources of food they had. Sita never made any egoistical demands on Ram, & vice versa. > i am simply talking the love between the two persons and not with > the God . is it possible to cretae the divine love between the two > like Lord Rama & Maan Sita............. Yes it is possible, but both the lovers must be very high level Sadhaks, so they can see God in each other. This is very rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 , " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote: Dear Jitinder In Mahabharat Yudhistira says - I love Duryodhana but he does not love me...and i know very well that he will not change due to my love...but still i will continue loving him. He further says- True love does not care for the loved. I love Himalayas, and I know it cant give me anything in return. I also know that Himalays even dont know that I love him. But that has not barred me from loving Himalayas. I love Himalayas because I love them and dont axpect anything in return, not even the acknowledgement of my love. I think this is a good example of Divine Love. Shri Rama was god incarnated and Mother Sita was Adi-Shakti....so their love and their demands for each other are not ego-centri. Golden deer was an important part of Leela, and both of them knew it. We human beings work from our Ahankaar and sanskaars and our demands and our love is tained by physical energies... it can not become divine love. Of course if it is like Yudhistra's love then the story changes Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 There is nothing like " feeling of love " that can be " generated " . The Love, like other attributes, is just one of the attribute of the Lord, but it tops the list and is the supreme attribute. The others are like : " krodha " " kama " " Dharma " and the total amount of all these are always constant. When i come to specifics of love, Love gets " manifested " as attribute of lord, when there is separation of Lords, attribute. To understand this in detail, in terms of material universe, one has to understand how did this attribute flow to the Mahat-Tattva. The whole manifest , was expanded by the meditating lord, and this Great expansion and the act of meditation was done just for the love, to the separated souls or " baddha Jiva " . Can you see here, These Baddha Jiva's are nothign but the concious part of the lord, who do not accept that they are part of Lord, and wants to have individual Lordship. But in reality, they are part of the Lord, and Lord feels the pain of separation, when his own part Jiva's dis-align and does not accept him as the father. and hence , the Lords love for these Jiva's and hence the manifestation of the Maha-Vishnu. SIMILARLY, In Baddha Jiva's who are all being manifested in the gross material nature, sprung form the mahat-tattva, cannot for long, be in the illusion world , that they are the lords, and will see the truth everywhere, and will witness, there in ability to control, and Lord over. and at different stages feel different levels of un-belongingness and belongingness, and hence love takes birth. This is the so called " Pure Love " . But in different forms, of material manifest, different attributes gets mixed, and in human form , it is very easy to see that Love is mixed with Lust. also with anger, and many more. the process of enlightenment, automatically, reduces this corrupted love, and other attributes are gradually separated, and when one understands his true nature and The one who is his source, and how he is the part of that whole, He will have the pure Love, or the pure attribute. The best example is Buddha. It is only after understanding this, that Buddha was able to reject Moksha and Nirvana. A sacrifice of this magnitude is only possible when he knows that he is perfectly protected by the lord, and there is no other control , as whatever, in existence. This is why i like the saying, " when Buddha Opens his eyes, Ignorance is gone " . It is so true isn't it. -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. , " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote: > > > i asked that how can you do love with a person who is living in > this world. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 , deito01 <no_reply wrote: > > and hence , the Lords love for these Jiva's and hence the > manifestation of the Maha-Vishnu. > Deito this is superb and beautiful !!! Will you kindly explain further Mahat-Tattwa and Maha-Vishnu ? AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > > > secondaly Lord Rama killed a beautifull dear (marichi)because of the > > Love of Maan Sita , if i say to you. sorry little bit offending , > > but please clearify it . Lord Rama also punished to someone in the > > form of a crow , who touched the feet of Maan Sita . was it not the > > Love of the Lord for Maan Sita. > >Jitendra you cant compare the love of God to the moha of people. Love sets you free, moha ties you.Love is unconditional. When Sita maa asked for the deer and Maarichi was killed he got salvation. This is God's benevolence.God loves everyone be it a demon or a saint. You dont have the right to kill anyone because you can not give them back thier life or salvation. So there is no point in comparing God's leela with foolish activities of mortals. Those who love do not kill anyone because love of God means compassion and love for all. People who love God dont think that they have the right to toy with the life of others. They help others, try to relieve them of thier pains ; they dont kill others! Killing the children of God is not pardonable! People are idiots.They justify eating non vegetarian food but this is another form of violence. Its one of the basis of kaliyuga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 My Pleasure Aum, What you have explained is part of that knowledge, which is termed as Knowable by Hari himself. There is no end, to this knowledge, as there is no end to the process explained by this knowledge, and knowing which we can taste the eternal. I am getting the exact sloka form Bhagavatham. -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Humble Obeisances to al! Love is an abstract emotion in the mind. One need not go on telling that 'I love you, I love everybody'. It is felt with everyone when that individual happens to meet physically, by means of letter, message, or otherwise. This lovely feeling may be in his presence or in absence, it has the same intensity. When this state is achieved by Sadhaka, he feels it in his mind everytime and is expressed though his behaviour with everyone. When this feeling is developed on large / universal scale, Sadhaka feels 'This whole Universe in mine and I belong to the whole Universe. It is me and I am It.' To express love when the person is physically present and at the same time to express love in his absence leads reverence towards that parson. When this reverence is developed for all entities, it is universal reverence and Sadhaka is exprecte to develop this for advancement. Heartful Regards to all = Keshav. jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote: namaskar to all thanks to all for reply i asked that how can you do love with a person who is living in this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Dear Jitendra, As i have always told, i am also a small kid sleeping at the lotus feet of the Lord. In reality everyone is the same, and me, you , everyone. So i am very non-different form you. So mistakes can happen anywhere, , i can obviously do it, you can do it, so can every manifested entity. Because anything which is limited cannot be perfect, the only reason , that my answers seem to be correct is because these are in no way my answers. They are direct implication of the sutras and revered scriptures. Also, the answer which i always wanted to hide form you, and everyone else, has been requested by you again. I thought after reading all that you will not ask me the question about " cause for the soul seeking supremacy and deviating " . Seems, like god wants me, not to hide this form you. But my sole reason of hiding is , this is not so easily understandable, but very very very easily mis-understandable. anyways, as the will of the lord, The answer follows : THE REASON AND HENCE CAUSE FOR A SOUL DEVIATING AND ASKING FOR INDIVIDUALITY AND HENCE ASKING FOR SUPREMACY AND HENCE NOT ACCEPTING ITS REAL NATURE IS, BECAUSE OF SUKSHMA BIJA. This Sukshma Seed, is indeed sowed by Lord Himself. For his creation. SO THE LORD IS RESPONSIBLE AND BY HIS OWN SWEET WILL MAKES SOUL GET THE DESIRE FOR DEVIATION. BUT DON'T TAKE THIS WRONG, AND NEVER NEVER NEVER FEEL THAT LORD IS BAD, AND PLAYING WITH SOULS. THIS WAS MY ONLY SCARE FOR NOT REVEALING THIS WHENEVER ANYONE ASKED ME. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE I AM TELLING THIS OPENLY, BECAUSE I FELT THAT IT IS LORD'S WILL TO SHARE AND HE WANTS ME DO THIS. I author the following passage for more details, please study the content of the underlying matter. ..................................................................... let us see who this God and why he purposely induces the desire for supremacy and individuality in all these soul and make them wander around in pain in this material universe. My hands are shivering when i write this, because i am afraid , how many would take this wrong. But everything happens at his will, so When he wills this, than i don't have problem typing this down. Note : please pay importance to Adi-Sanskrit Terms in the following passage and let me know if you have a doubt. Who understands this right are the luckies of beings, have no doubt about it. who this God and why he purposely induces the desire for supremacy and individuality in all these soul and make them wander around in pain in this material universe? Krsna, the Parama Purusha or the supreme Godhead was alone in the beginning in Vaikunta, the permanent abode (Nitya Vibhuthi). He created the Leela Vibhuthi (his playground) from a minute part of his body. From Him came the Maha Vishnu who is in a trance, creating, maintaining, and destroying thousands of universes (Brahmandas) in this Leela Vibhuthi. During the time span of one eye blink of Maha Vishnu, several universes appear and dissolve. In each universe, he enters as Narayana. From his navel came our Brahma. The God then instructed Brahma to create various beings in various lokas including the creation of life in an evolutionary manner on the Earth. These beings are driven by Athmas (Souls) derived from him. This entire creation constitutes only a minute part of his existence, and he is still intact in his original form. The God exists in five major forms at the same time: 1. His original form (as Sriman Narayana or Para Vasudeva) in the Nithya vibhuthi 2. Vyuha Avatharam: Sankarshana, Anirudha, etc.in each universe 3. Vibhava Avatharam: Rama, Krishna, etc. (incarnations) 4. Antharyami Avatharam: Inside all things 5. Archa Avatharam: Deity Incarnation (Venkateshwara, etc.) He is everywhere and in everything, even in our Athma (soul). Therefore, he owns everything. ..................................................................... You are wonderful person, you innocent questions, makes me remember some of the VERY VERY deep attributes of the divine, and i URGE that this subject should be read by everyone, with utmost interest, and this Subject dealing with Nature of the Supreme, is most important not just for humans, For everyone in Existence. I EXIST By grace and Will of My Lord, My Father, His divinity, The Nirakara, The nirguna, the Kaarana, The adbutha, the Achintya, The param, The Supreme tattva, The supreme Gnana, The Supreme Satya, The Supreme Lakshya, The supreme Binnha ( Difference ) , The supreme Yagna, The Supreme Kala, The Anantha, The Supreme Tyaga, Teh Supreme Chitta, The Supreme Ananda, The Supreme Dharma, The moksha, The Prana. Let me know if i have missed anything, obviously i should have, my abilities are limited you see.. and i am trying to write something about the one who is without the second, and there is nothing apart form him. -- Deito , " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote: > > thanks sir for sharing the knowledge > > what i got from your last posting about the topic love that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I remembered three more attributes of my Lord, I was actually doing abhisheka of his attributes to his lotus feet. He is also , Parama Suddha , Parama Sukha and Parama Kruthi, Parama Kala and Parama Stuthi and The supreme Kartha and the Supreme Karya and the Supreme Viraga and also the supreme Sampathya and the Supreme Krura and the Supreme Daitya and the Supreme Dravida and also the Supreme Saundarya. Please please let me know what else i have left. I will be thankful. -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. , deito01 <no_reply wrote: > > Dear Jitendra, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 , " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote: > 1. i asked the cause of creation of own lordship hence supremacy of > the soul . soul wants the superemacy Dear Jitinder, Consider Ocean and a droplet of ocean water. Now the drop is negligible in volume before the ocean. But chemical analyst will say the drop is just like ocean. Both have same percentage of Sodium chloride, same percentage of iodine, and other salts....drop says i am ocean...qualitatively it is correct...quantitavily it is false. similary God is the ocean and we are drop of it and we have exactly the same attribute as the Lord himself some of which are :- 1- Immortality 2- omni-potent 3- always right 4- free to do anything (free will) Now the little drop has the same percentage of those attributes but does not know that these attributes are bound by little ego. So a Jeeva thinks he is immortal, but death knocks and snatches his body from him Omni-potency is worked by jeeva as if he can do anything and each person things he is superior to other jeeva, forgetting that other jivas are also drops of that ocean Always right is deformed by jiva... not taking other jiva's into account arguing, fighting, killing others to prove he is right Free will also erronuously works in jiva who thinks he has free will, but forgets that all his desires are presented by Nature and he only selects one of the choice,...and that choice too is determined by other factors.... like karma, environments, mind development etc..and Jiva thinks arrogantly I have free will. -------------------- This separation of Jiva from Lord is apparent. Our Ego is a little curtain between us and Lord...and our Indriyas see outside and keep us busy out. This separation is apparent and eternal both AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 This should be made as pdf or something similar and should be made accessible to a larger scale. Excellent, all obeisances to the lord, wonderful reading this, very simple to understand and concrete. -- Deito Harihi, Karunamayi, SwayaudBhawi namo Namaha. , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: > Dear Jitinder, > > Consider Ocean and a droplet of ocean water. Now the drop is > negligible in volume before the ocean. But chemical analyst will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 > 1. for something ie like a property or marks or success /failure > 2. for someone who is your lover in this world may be wife, > parents, ..... > 3. for the God > > what is the difference in the feelings when you cry for above said thing > and what makes you cry ie what do you think when you cry.it is very > general question hence please consider all the aspects of crying > whatever you can think and whatever you can recall your memories when > you cried. >Dear Jitendra, when you cry for the above two you want to get rid of your grief when you cry for the last one you love your pain; the other pains have the purpose to take you to one pain- the pain of love and seperation. The first two are also pain for God. We wish to cry for God when we are not able to find him we cry for smaller things.But these pains teach us to love God sooner or later.What is world without love, joy and pain? The gyaanis say there is nothing-joy , pain are illusions. Who needs such gyaana? We want love with its joy and pain Amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 1. for something, ie like a property or marks or success /failure. >Intensity is less, and with a sense of Being lost. >Controlled by time > Adulteration is higher. 2. for someone who is your lover in this world may be wife, parents, ..... >Intensity is more, And the pain of separation or whatever the reason , is higher. Controlled by time. >Controlled by time >Adulteration is relatively low, and This is where somewhere some sort of unadulterated Love starts. 3. for the God. Intensity is very high and Time has very less control , and cannot end it and also almost unaludterated. and when a Devotee reaches threshold stops only at Moksha and Time or Space has no control whatsoever on Such " Cry in Love for Lord, The real relative, the one who is not Nishkara , unlike all others mentioned above " and completely Unadulterated. Also by the establishment, the SOul also situates completely in Mode of goodness, And hence is immediately eligible for Spiritual Space. -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. , " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote: > > i read so many topics as much i get time and i got valuable knowledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I think GOD is Love.... The experience is Beautiful... No words, no thoughts, no actions are possible... Just tears flow... tears of extreme love.....There is no distiction between you and god.... you are just the Love... Your whole being melts into your ishta devata.....bliss washes over you... It is the Mystical union.....The purest form of love possible.... Love Bala... On 9/18/07, jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote: > do you think that love is like a tree , if so than please tell me > your views about the tree of love .if not then also plese express > your views why it can not be like a tree . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Is there a name when love meets love? Words are hindrances. Not even the word LOVE can utter meaning! Looking at you, looking at me and my heart is blooming into a hundred blossoms entirely for you. My velvet petals falling slowly one by one, offerings at your feet. The sun rises in your face and sets in my heart. Looking at you looking at me, a new era is reaching shore and devotion crashes down on my heart like a ferocious waterfall. Where are the lyrical words that depict your love? What can I do but wordlessly love the echo of your silence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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