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" If we don't eradicate our de­structive emotions, there will be

no end to war and violence.

 

In wars today, the enemy's country is destroyed in every possible way.

Conquerors plun­der and monopolize the land, natural resources and

wealth of the defeated country and use them for their own selfish

enjoy­ment. The culture and traditions that have been passed down for

generations are uprooted, and innocent people are killed with­out

mercy.

 

Furthermore, we cannot be­gin to fathom the amount of toxic fumes

emitted by bombs and other weapons of war, filling the atmosphere and

polluting the soil. How many generations are forced to suffer physically

and mentally as a consequence! In the wake of war, all that is left are

death, poverty, starvation and epidemics. Such are war's gifts to

humanity.

 

Today, some wealthy coun­tries instigate wars simply to promote the

sale of their latest weapons. No matter what action we perform, even if

it be war, the goal should be the protection of truth and dharma. Amma's

not saying that war is unavoidable. In principle, there is never a time

when war is necessary. But will we ever be able to completely eradicate

war from the external world as long as conflict remains in the minds of

man? This is something we really should con­template. " ~ Amma

 

 

 

 

 

 

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It has been recorded that Amma said, in Seattle, something about coming nuke

war, but She stopped saying it, for unclear reasons. Was anyone on the list

actually on that part of the tour and actually heard first-hand what She said

about the probability of war and between whom?

 

Thank you.

 

avram

 

 

 

 

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Has there really been such a statement made by amma or is this all just

rumors?

 

 

 

 

 

Ammachi [Ammachi ] On Behalf Of

sprose1

Friday, August 29, 2008 3:04 PM

Ammachi

Re:Amma on war and violence !

 

 

 

 

It has been recorded that Amma said, in Seattle, something about coming nuke

 

war, but She stopped saying it, for unclear reasons. Was anyone on the list

actually on that part of the tour and actually heard first-hand what She

said

about the probability of war and between whom?

 

Thank you.

 

avram

 

**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your

travel

deal here.

(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

 

 

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IT'S THE END OF US ALL!!!! AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

 

Get your potassium iodide tablets and nuclear

survival kits here:

 

http://www.ki4u.com/

 

And don't forget to go looting...

 

 

Ammachi , sprose1 wrote:

>

 

> It has been recorded that Amma said, in Seattle,

> something about coming nuke war, but She stopped

> saying it, for unclear reasons. Was anyone on

> the list actually on that part of the tour and

> actually heard first-hand what She said

> about the probability of war and between whom?

>

> Thank you.

>

> avram

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I was in Seattle and what I heard Amma say was that we should try not to eat

beef. She said it was ok to eat a little but that the palnet could not support

all the cows for food sources. She also said that killing all the cows caused

suffering. she metioned in the future that there could be " food wars " . This is

what I heard her say.

 

Sivamayi

 

 

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Hi Avram,

 

I was there, and there was a lot of negativity in the

talk, but I don't think she got that specific.

Personally I have to block all that out, as I can't

stand the negativity. Even if we're " all gonna die! "

tomorrow, I'm not sure we need to know that.

 

Is there a psychological reason for these kind of

statements?

 

In the immortal words of Padre Pio, " Pray, hope and

don't worry! "

 

Moonlight

 

Ammachi , sprose1 wrote:

>

>

> It has been recorded that Amma said, in Seattle, something about

coming nuke

> war, but She stopped saying it, for unclear reasons. Was anyone on

the list

> actually on that part of the tour and actually heard first-hand

what She said

> about the probability of war and between whom?

>

> Thank you.

>

> avram

>

>

>

>

> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find

your travel

> deal here.

> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

>

>

>

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Hello!

 

I had heard so many outrageous things that Amma supposedly said in Seattle that

I finally emailed a friend of mine in the Seattle satsang to clarify what

exactly Amma had said. I trust my firend, and I know that she would tell me the

truth.

 

What she told me was that Amma had said why are we all worrying about

earthquakes, war, etc., when all of that is happening now? She said that we

should not be worrying about the future and she said that we should carpool,

grow plants and vegetables, and use bio-fuel. She did say that life woould be

hard for the next generation (i.e., all the kids who are 3-5 now). Considering

the difficulties in the world now, that should not be a surprise to anyone.

 

My friend explained that Nostradamus and the Mayan calendar both say really

negative things about the time period around 2012 and that all of this is being

put on Amma.

I had heard that Amma had said that no child who is 5 now will live to be

child-bearing age and that it is was essentially the end of civilization as we

know it. I think that what we are experiencing is something like that game some

of us played as kids called " gossip " where a group of kids would sit in a circle

and the first person would whisper something into the ear of the person beside

him. By the time it made it all the way around the circle, what the first child

said would inevitably be transformed into something completely different. Every

time someone repeats what they think Amma said, it gets more dire and more

outrageous!

 

I hope this helps to clarify things.....

 

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Narendra Kulkarni <nkulki wrote:

 

Narendra Kulkarni <nkulki

RE: Re:Amma on war and violence !

Ammachi

Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:14 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Has there really been such a statement made by amma or is this all just

rumors?

 

Ammachi@ .com [Ammachi@ .com] On Behalf Of

sprose1 (AT) aol (DOT) com

Friday, August 29, 2008 3:04 PM

Ammachi@ .com

Re:Amma on war and violence !

 

It has been recorded that Amma said, in Seattle, something about coming nuke

 

war, but She stopped saying it, for unclear reasons. Was anyone on the list

actually on that part of the tour and actually heard first-hand what She

said

about the probability of war and between whom?

 

Thank you.

 

avram

 

************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your

travel

deal here.

(http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047)

 

 

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I wish we could get an official version from the MA Math as to what

Amma really said... there is so much confusion about this here.

 

Till then, I am treating this all as pure hearsay. I am going to use

my common sense in leading my life and taking care of my children. ...

I urge all to do the same.

 

May Amma / God bless us all in this endeavor!

 

Jai Ma!

 

Ammachi , " Narendra Kulkarni " <nkulki wrote:

>

> Has there really been such a statement made by amma or is this all just

> rumors?

>

>

>

>

>

> Ammachi [Ammachi ] On

Behalf Of

> sprose1

> Friday, August 29, 2008 3:04 PM

> Ammachi

> Re:Amma on war and violence !

>

>

>

>

> It has been recorded that Amma said, in Seattle, something about

coming nuke

>

> war, but She stopped saying it, for unclear reasons. Was anyone on

the list

> actually on that part of the tour and actually heard first-hand what She

> said

> about the probability of war and between whom?

>

> Thank you.

>

> avram

>

> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your

> travel

> deal here.

> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

>

>

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excellent

 

Ammachi: peacefulandc: Sun, 31 Aug 2008

10:18:41 -0700RE: Re:Amma on war and violence !

 

 

 

 

Hello! I had heard so many outrageous things that Amma supposedly said in

Seattle that I finally emailed a friend of mine in the Seattle satsang to

clarify what exactly Amma had said. I trust my firend, and I know that she would

tell me the truth. What she told me was that Amma had said why are we all

worrying about earthquakes, war, etc., when all of that is happening now? She

said that we should not be worrying about the future and she said that we should

carpool, grow plants and vegetables, and use bio-fuel. She did say that life

woould be hard for the next generation (i.e., all the kids who are 3-5 now).

Considering the difficulties in the world now, that should not be a surprise to

anyone. My friend explained that Nostradamus and the Mayan calendar both say

really negative things about the time period around 2012 and that all of this is

being put on Amma.I had heard that Amma had said that no child who is 5 now will

live to be child-bearing age and that it is was essentially the end of

civilization as we know it. I think that what we are experiencing is something

like that game some of us played as kids called " gossip " where a group of kids

would sit in a circle and the first person would whisper something into the ear

of the person beside him. By the time it made it all the way around the circle,

what the first child said would inevitably be transformed into something

completely different. Every time someone repeats what they think Amma said, it

gets more dire and more outrageous! I hope this helps to clarify things.....---

On Fri, 8/29/08, Narendra Kulkarni <nkulki wrote:Narendra

Kulkarni <nkulkiRE: Re:Amma on war and violence

!Ammachi: Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:14 PMHas there

really been such a statement made by amma or is this all justrumors?

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Amma said, in Seattle, something about coming nukewar, but She stopped saying

it, for unclear reasons. Was anyone on the list actually on that part of the

tour and actually heard first-hand what Shesaid about the probability of war and

between whom?Thank you. avram************ **It's only a deal if it's where you

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I wouldn't take Amma's word literally. The Guru is always talking in

parables and words are not meant to be taken literally.

 

The Guru would rather stay silent and enjoy the bliss - but that's a

lose-lose situation for the disciple. The Guru knows that words are

inadequate to express the truth, however he has to use them. The Guru is

happy if out a 1000 people listening to him 1 person gets it. He isn't

concerned with truth or lies, He is concerned with you - the

individual, so whatever it takes to wake you out of your slumber.

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If the Guru were always speaking in parables, then who could

understand? The Guru does not *always* speak in parables. Sometimes,

the Guru just speaks plainly, and everyone misses the obvious because

they are looking for something more. This is a let down then when the

truth is seen and blame is placed on the guru. And all for what?

 

The Guru has no preference either for silence, speech, or bliss.

That's just another idea that doesn't hold water. And because the

Guru knows the truth, there is nothing wasted for efficiency sake.

The Guru simply understands how it is.

 

P.

 

Ammachi , " Ravi Chivukula " <ravichivukula

wrote:

>

> I wouldn't take Amma's word literally. The Guru is always talking in

> parables and words are not meant to be taken literally.

>

> The Guru would rather stay silent and enjoy the bliss - but that's a

> lose-lose situation for the disciple. The Guru knows that words are

> inadequate to express the truth, however he has to use them. The Guru is

> happy if out a 1000 people listening to him 1 person gets it. He isn't

> concerned with truth or lies, He is concerned with you - the

> individual, so whatever it takes to wake you out of your slumber.

>

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" I had rather teach one bird how to sing, than ten thousand stars how

not to dance. "

 

Maybe there is a bit of this in what you are saying about Guru?

 

 

 

 

Ammachi , " Ravi Chivukula " <ravichivukula

wrote:

>

> I wouldn't take Amma's word literally. The Guru is always talking in

> parables and words are not meant to be taken literally.

>

> The Guru would rather stay silent and enjoy the bliss - but that's a

> lose-lose situation for the disciple. The Guru knows that words are

> inadequate to express the truth, however he has to use them. The Guru

is

> happy if out a 1000 people listening to him 1 person gets it. He isn't

> concerned with truth or lies, He is concerned with you - the

> individual, so whatever it takes to wake you out of your slumber.

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste

 

Perhaps trying to define Guru is like trying to pick up a pebble with

one finger. One just cain't grasp it? [:-/]

 

Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha

 

marci

 

 

Ammachi , " parzival35 " <parzival2 wrote:

>

> If the Guru were always speaking in parables, then who could

> understand? The Guru does not *always* speak in parables. Sometimes,

> the Guru just speaks plainly, and everyone misses the obvious because

> they are looking for something more. This is a let down then when the

> truth is seen and blame is placed on the guru. And all for what?

>

> The Guru has no preference either for silence, speech, or bliss.

> That's just another idea that doesn't hold water. And because the

> Guru knows the truth, there is nothing wasted for efficiency sake.

> The Guru simply understands how it is.

>

> P.

>

> Ammachi , " Ravi Chivukula " ravichivukula@

> wrote:

> >

> > I wouldn't take Amma's word literally. The Guru is always talking in

> > parables and words are not meant to be taken literally.

> >

> > The Guru would rather stay silent and enjoy the bliss - but that's a

> > lose-lose situation for the disciple. The Guru knows that words are

> > inadequate to express the truth, however he has to use them. The

Guru is

> > happy if out a 1000 people listening to him 1 person gets it. He

isn't

> > concerned with truth or lies, He is concerned with you - the

> > individual, so whatever it takes to wake you out of your slumber.

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

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I didn't mean to say that a Guru spends all his day talking in parables -

just to express the Truth - how else would you describe an exotic fruit that

you tasted in a far remote country and there was no equivalent word or fruit

for it at your place. Knowing and conveying are two different aspects.

 

 

 

Thank you,

 

Ravi Chivukula

 

_____

 

Ammachi [Ammachi ] On Behalf Of

parzival35

Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:30 PM

Ammachi

Re:Amma on war and violence !

 

 

 

If the Guru were always speaking in parables, then who could

understand? The Guru does not *always* speak in parables. Sometimes,

the Guru just speaks plainly, and everyone misses the obvious because

they are looking for something more. This is a let down then when the

truth is seen and blame is placed on the guru. And all for what?

 

The Guru has no preference either for silence, speech, or bliss.

That's just another idea that doesn't hold water. And because the

Guru knows the truth, there is nothing wasted for efficiency sake.

The Guru simply understands how it is.

 

P.

 

Ammachi@ <Ammachi%40> .com, " Ravi

Chivukula " <ravichivukula

wrote:

>

> I wouldn't take Amma's word literally. The Guru is always talking in

> parables and words are not meant to be taken literally.

>

> The Guru would rather stay silent and enjoy the bliss - but that's a

> lose-lose situation for the disciple. The Guru knows that words are

> inadequate to express the truth, however he has to use them. The Guru is

> happy if out a 1000 people listening to him 1 person gets it. He isn't

> concerned with truth or lies, He is concerned with you - the

> individual, so whatever it takes to wake you out of your slumber.

>

 

 

 

 

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P.S. I remembered this quote by Leonard Cohen. He took seven years off

his musician career and lived with his Roshi in a Zen Monestary.

 

"

Roshi I never really understood what he said but every now and then

I find myself barking with the dog or bending with the irises in other

little ways Leonard Cohen

I can relate to this quote since knowing Amma. I have barked alot, and

definitely find bending with the irises as Amma gales--- gentle, strong,

or calm. Sometimes i bend with defeat, other times with reverence or

All that She brings forth to us and the world, and also with humility

for who am i to question such grace?

 

Amma's grace to all i pray

 

Aum Amrteswaryai Namah

 

marci

 

 

 

Ammachi , " marci " <Mmrivertalk wrote:

>

>

> Namaste

>

> Perhaps trying to define Guru is like trying to pick up a pebble with

> one finger. One just cain't grasp it? [:-/]

>

> Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha

>

> marci

>

>

> Ammachi , " parzival35 " parzival2@ wrote:

> >

> > If the Guru were always speaking in parables, then who could

> > understand? The Guru does not *always* speak in parables. Sometimes,

> > the Guru just speaks plainly, and everyone misses the obvious

because

> > they are looking for something more. This is a let down then when

the

> > truth is seen and blame is placed on the guru. And all for what?

> >

> > The Guru has no preference either for silence, speech, or bliss.

> > That's just another idea that doesn't hold water. And because the

> > Guru knows the truth, there is nothing wasted for efficiency sake.

> > The Guru simply understands how it is.

> >

> > P.

> >

> > Ammachi , " Ravi Chivukula " ravichivukula@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > I wouldn't take Amma's word literally. The Guru is always talking

in

> > > parables and words are not meant to be taken literally.

> > >

> > > The Guru would rather stay silent and enjoy the bliss - but that's

a

> > > lose-lose situation for the disciple. The Guru knows that words

are

> > > inadequate to express the truth, however he has to use them. The

> Guru is

> > > happy if out a 1000 people listening to him 1 person gets it. He

> isn't

> > > concerned with truth or lies, He is concerned with you - the

> > > individual, so whatever it takes to wake you out of your slumber.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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