Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 " If we don't eradicate our destructive emotions, there will be no end to war and violence. In wars today, the enemy's country is destroyed in every possible way. Conquerors plunder and monopolize the land, natural resources and wealth of the defeated country and use them for their own selfish enjoyment. The culture and traditions that have been passed down for generations are uprooted, and innocent people are killed without mercy. Furthermore, we cannot begin to fathom the amount of toxic fumes emitted by bombs and other weapons of war, filling the atmosphere and polluting the soil. How many generations are forced to suffer physically and mentally as a consequence! In the wake of war, all that is left are death, poverty, starvation and epidemics. Such are war's gifts to humanity. Today, some wealthy countries instigate wars simply to promote the sale of their latest weapons. No matter what action we perform, even if it be war, the goal should be the protection of truth and dharma. Amma's not saying that war is unavoidable. In principle, there is never a time when war is necessary. But will we ever be able to completely eradicate war from the external world as long as conflict remains in the minds of man? This is something we really should contemplate. " ~ Amma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 It has been recorded that Amma said, in Seattle, something about coming nuke war, but She stopped saying it, for unclear reasons. Was anyone on the list actually on that part of the tour and actually heard first-hand what She said about the probability of war and between whom? Thank you. avram **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Has there really been such a statement made by amma or is this all just rumors? Ammachi [Ammachi ] On Behalf Of sprose1 Friday, August 29, 2008 3:04 PM Ammachi Re:Amma on war and violence ! It has been recorded that Amma said, in Seattle, something about coming nuke war, but She stopped saying it, for unclear reasons. Was anyone on the list actually on that part of the tour and actually heard first-hand what She said about the probability of war and between whom? Thank you. avram **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 IT'S THE END OF US ALL!!!! AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! Get your potassium iodide tablets and nuclear survival kits here: http://www.ki4u.com/ And don't forget to go looting... Ammachi , sprose1 wrote: > > It has been recorded that Amma said, in Seattle, > something about coming nuke war, but She stopped > saying it, for unclear reasons. Was anyone on > the list actually on that part of the tour and > actually heard first-hand what She said > about the probability of war and between whom? > > Thank you. > > avram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I was in Seattle and what I heard Amma say was that we should try not to eat beef. She said it was ok to eat a little but that the palnet could not support all the cows for food sources. She also said that killing all the cows caused suffering. she metioned in the future that there could be " food wars " . This is what I heard her say. Sivamayi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Hi Avram, I was there, and there was a lot of negativity in the talk, but I don't think she got that specific. Personally I have to block all that out, as I can't stand the negativity. Even if we're " all gonna die! " tomorrow, I'm not sure we need to know that. Is there a psychological reason for these kind of statements? In the immortal words of Padre Pio, " Pray, hope and don't worry! " Moonlight Ammachi , sprose1 wrote: > > > It has been recorded that Amma said, in Seattle, something about coming nuke > war, but She stopped saying it, for unclear reasons. Was anyone on the list > actually on that part of the tour and actually heard first-hand what She said > about the probability of war and between whom? > > Thank you. > > avram > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Hello! I had heard so many outrageous things that Amma supposedly said in Seattle that I finally emailed a friend of mine in the Seattle satsang to clarify what exactly Amma had said. I trust my firend, and I know that she would tell me the truth. What she told me was that Amma had said why are we all worrying about earthquakes, war, etc., when all of that is happening now? She said that we should not be worrying about the future and she said that we should carpool, grow plants and vegetables, and use bio-fuel. She did say that life woould be hard for the next generation (i.e., all the kids who are 3-5 now). Considering the difficulties in the world now, that should not be a surprise to anyone. My friend explained that Nostradamus and the Mayan calendar both say really negative things about the time period around 2012 and that all of this is being put on Amma. I had heard that Amma had said that no child who is 5 now will live to be child-bearing age and that it is was essentially the end of civilization as we know it. I think that what we are experiencing is something like that game some of us played as kids called " gossip " where a group of kids would sit in a circle and the first person would whisper something into the ear of the person beside him. By the time it made it all the way around the circle, what the first child said would inevitably be transformed into something completely different. Every time someone repeats what they think Amma said, it gets more dire and more outrageous! I hope this helps to clarify things..... --- On Fri, 8/29/08, Narendra Kulkarni <nkulki wrote: Narendra Kulkarni <nkulki RE: Re:Amma on war and violence ! Ammachi Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:14 PM Has there really been such a statement made by amma or is this all just rumors? Ammachi@ .com [Ammachi@ .com] On Behalf Of sprose1 (AT) aol (DOT) com Friday, August 29, 2008 3:04 PM Ammachi@ .com Re:Amma on war and violence ! It has been recorded that Amma said, in Seattle, something about coming nuke war, but She stopped saying it, for unclear reasons. Was anyone on the list actually on that part of the tour and actually heard first-hand what She said about the probability of war and between whom? Thank you. avram ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 I wish we could get an official version from the MA Math as to what Amma really said... there is so much confusion about this here. Till then, I am treating this all as pure hearsay. I am going to use my common sense in leading my life and taking care of my children. ... I urge all to do the same. May Amma / God bless us all in this endeavor! Jai Ma! Ammachi , " Narendra Kulkarni " <nkulki wrote: > > Has there really been such a statement made by amma or is this all just > rumors? > > > > > > Ammachi [Ammachi ] On Behalf Of > sprose1 > Friday, August 29, 2008 3:04 PM > Ammachi > Re:Amma on war and violence ! > > > > > It has been recorded that Amma said, in Seattle, something about coming nuke > > war, but She stopped saying it, for unclear reasons. Was anyone on the list > actually on that part of the tour and actually heard first-hand what She > said > about the probability of war and between whom? > > Thank you. > > avram > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 excellent Ammachi: peacefulandc: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:18:41 -0700RE: Re:Amma on war and violence ! Hello! I had heard so many outrageous things that Amma supposedly said in Seattle that I finally emailed a friend of mine in the Seattle satsang to clarify what exactly Amma had said. I trust my firend, and I know that she would tell me the truth. What she told me was that Amma had said why are we all worrying about earthquakes, war, etc., when all of that is happening now? She said that we should not be worrying about the future and she said that we should carpool, grow plants and vegetables, and use bio-fuel. She did say that life woould be hard for the next generation (i.e., all the kids who are 3-5 now). Considering the difficulties in the world now, that should not be a surprise to anyone. My friend explained that Nostradamus and the Mayan calendar both say really negative things about the time period around 2012 and that all of this is being put on Amma.I had heard that Amma had said that no child who is 5 now will live to be child-bearing age and that it is was essentially the end of civilization as we know it. I think that what we are experiencing is something like that game some of us played as kids called " gossip " where a group of kids would sit in a circle and the first person would whisper something into the ear of the person beside him. By the time it made it all the way around the circle, what the first child said would inevitably be transformed into something completely different. Every time someone repeats what they think Amma said, it gets more dire and more outrageous! I hope this helps to clarify things.....--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Narendra Kulkarni <nkulki wrote:Narendra Kulkarni <nkulkiRE: Re:Amma on war and violence !Ammachi: Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:14 PMHas there really been such a statement made by amma or is this all justrumors? Ammachi@ .com [Ammachi@ .com] On Behalf Ofsprose1 (AT) aol (DOT) comFriday, August 29, 2008 3:04 PMAmmachi@ ..com Re:Amma on war and violence !It has been recorded that Amma said, in Seattle, something about coming nukewar, but She stopped saying it, for unclear reasons. Was anyone on the list actually on that part of the tour and actually heard first-hand what Shesaid about the probability of war and between whom?Thank you. avram************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find yourtravel deal here. (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 I wouldn't take Amma's word literally. The Guru is always talking in parables and words are not meant to be taken literally. The Guru would rather stay silent and enjoy the bliss - but that's a lose-lose situation for the disciple. The Guru knows that words are inadequate to express the truth, however he has to use them. The Guru is happy if out a 1000 people listening to him 1 person gets it. He isn't concerned with truth or lies, He is concerned with you - the individual, so whatever it takes to wake you out of your slumber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 If the Guru were always speaking in parables, then who could understand? The Guru does not *always* speak in parables. Sometimes, the Guru just speaks plainly, and everyone misses the obvious because they are looking for something more. This is a let down then when the truth is seen and blame is placed on the guru. And all for what? The Guru has no preference either for silence, speech, or bliss. That's just another idea that doesn't hold water. And because the Guru knows the truth, there is nothing wasted for efficiency sake. The Guru simply understands how it is. P. Ammachi , " Ravi Chivukula " <ravichivukula wrote: > > I wouldn't take Amma's word literally. The Guru is always talking in > parables and words are not meant to be taken literally. > > The Guru would rather stay silent and enjoy the bliss - but that's a > lose-lose situation for the disciple. The Guru knows that words are > inadequate to express the truth, however he has to use them. The Guru is > happy if out a 1000 people listening to him 1 person gets it. He isn't > concerned with truth or lies, He is concerned with you - the > individual, so whatever it takes to wake you out of your slumber. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 " I had rather teach one bird how to sing, than ten thousand stars how not to dance. " Maybe there is a bit of this in what you are saying about Guru? Ammachi , " Ravi Chivukula " <ravichivukula wrote: > > I wouldn't take Amma's word literally. The Guru is always talking in > parables and words are not meant to be taken literally. > > The Guru would rather stay silent and enjoy the bliss - but that's a > lose-lose situation for the disciple. The Guru knows that words are > inadequate to express the truth, however he has to use them. The Guru is > happy if out a 1000 people listening to him 1 person gets it. He isn't > concerned with truth or lies, He is concerned with you - the > individual, so whatever it takes to wake you out of your slumber. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Namaste Perhaps trying to define Guru is like trying to pick up a pebble with one finger. One just cain't grasp it? [:-/] Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha marci Ammachi , " parzival35 " <parzival2 wrote: > > If the Guru were always speaking in parables, then who could > understand? The Guru does not *always* speak in parables. Sometimes, > the Guru just speaks plainly, and everyone misses the obvious because > they are looking for something more. This is a let down then when the > truth is seen and blame is placed on the guru. And all for what? > > The Guru has no preference either for silence, speech, or bliss. > That's just another idea that doesn't hold water. And because the > Guru knows the truth, there is nothing wasted for efficiency sake. > The Guru simply understands how it is. > > P. > > Ammachi , " Ravi Chivukula " ravichivukula@ > wrote: > > > > I wouldn't take Amma's word literally. The Guru is always talking in > > parables and words are not meant to be taken literally. > > > > The Guru would rather stay silent and enjoy the bliss - but that's a > > lose-lose situation for the disciple. The Guru knows that words are > > inadequate to express the truth, however he has to use them. The Guru is > > happy if out a 1000 people listening to him 1 person gets it. He isn't > > concerned with truth or lies, He is concerned with you - the > > individual, so whatever it takes to wake you out of your slumber. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 I didn't mean to say that a Guru spends all his day talking in parables - just to express the Truth - how else would you describe an exotic fruit that you tasted in a far remote country and there was no equivalent word or fruit for it at your place. Knowing and conveying are two different aspects. Thank you, Ravi Chivukula _____ Ammachi [Ammachi ] On Behalf Of parzival35 Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:30 PM Ammachi Re:Amma on war and violence ! If the Guru were always speaking in parables, then who could understand? The Guru does not *always* speak in parables. Sometimes, the Guru just speaks plainly, and everyone misses the obvious because they are looking for something more. This is a let down then when the truth is seen and blame is placed on the guru. And all for what? The Guru has no preference either for silence, speech, or bliss. That's just another idea that doesn't hold water. And because the Guru knows the truth, there is nothing wasted for efficiency sake. The Guru simply understands how it is. P. Ammachi@ <Ammachi%40> .com, " Ravi Chivukula " <ravichivukula wrote: > > I wouldn't take Amma's word literally. The Guru is always talking in > parables and words are not meant to be taken literally. > > The Guru would rather stay silent and enjoy the bliss - but that's a > lose-lose situation for the disciple. The Guru knows that words are > inadequate to express the truth, however he has to use them. The Guru is > happy if out a 1000 people listening to him 1 person gets it. He isn't > concerned with truth or lies, He is concerned with you - the > individual, so whatever it takes to wake you out of your slumber. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 P.S. I remembered this quote by Leonard Cohen. He took seven years off his musician career and lived with his Roshi in a Zen Monestary. " Roshi I never really understood what he said but every now and then I find myself barking with the dog or bending with the irises in other little ways Leonard Cohen I can relate to this quote since knowing Amma. I have barked alot, and definitely find bending with the irises as Amma gales--- gentle, strong, or calm. Sometimes i bend with defeat, other times with reverence or All that She brings forth to us and the world, and also with humility for who am i to question such grace? Amma's grace to all i pray Aum Amrteswaryai Namah marci Ammachi , " marci " <Mmrivertalk wrote: > > > Namaste > > Perhaps trying to define Guru is like trying to pick up a pebble with > one finger. One just cain't grasp it? [:-/] > > Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha > > marci > > > Ammachi , " parzival35 " parzival2@ wrote: > > > > If the Guru were always speaking in parables, then who could > > understand? The Guru does not *always* speak in parables. Sometimes, > > the Guru just speaks plainly, and everyone misses the obvious because > > they are looking for something more. This is a let down then when the > > truth is seen and blame is placed on the guru. And all for what? > > > > The Guru has no preference either for silence, speech, or bliss. > > That's just another idea that doesn't hold water. And because the > > Guru knows the truth, there is nothing wasted for efficiency sake. > > The Guru simply understands how it is. > > > > P. > > > > Ammachi , " Ravi Chivukula " ravichivukula@ > > wrote: > > > > > > I wouldn't take Amma's word literally. The Guru is always talking in > > > parables and words are not meant to be taken literally. > > > > > > The Guru would rather stay silent and enjoy the bliss - but that's a > > > lose-lose situation for the disciple. The Guru knows that words are > > > inadequate to express the truth, however he has to use them. The > Guru is > > > happy if out a 1000 people listening to him 1 person gets it. He > isn't > > > concerned with truth or lies, He is concerned with you - the > > > individual, so whatever it takes to wake you out of your slumber. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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