RE: Impossible Request-- visits...

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dear beloved family.CIRCLE OF LOVE INSIDE was inititaed by utilized prison

visits as well as letter writing.it actually began INSIDE.the first letter was

written by AMMAs sun temba,to the MA center while he was

incarsarated.sw.dayamrita responded and sent temba books which he distributed to

all the guys.when temba came home from another jail bid,he through AMMAs grace

,commited to visiting the men he was locked up with and he also wrote them.

Michael was some one who AMMAs sun immediately recognized as having many

gifts too share with the world.he was fearless in his approach to life.he use to

be so proud to introduce AMMAs sun as his teacher.he fell in love with AMMA and

had dreams with HER in it.he is now known by most of the men he has been locked

up with a geniuos monk.Michael was the first person that temba visited and wrote

letters to.i love him like i love LIFE.michael is so dear to this heart.he has a

lot of time to do,but AMMA has assued this heart that he will meet AMMA in

person one day.for anymore questions ,please call @641-233-8255

CIRCLE OF LOVE inside is but a label given to yet another form of AMMAs

unstoppable compassion in action.

 

 

 

Ammachi: a1driane: Sun, 17 Aug 2008

14:10:54 +0000 Re: Impossible Request-- visits...

 

 

 

 

One of our Satsang members visited Michael who is in a maximum facility. If I

understand this, he was the one of the persons who inspired the COL Inside to

begin. Aikya and Themba could tell us more on that. My friend, Mary Anna said

the visit was inspiring to visit him and listen to his complete devotion to

Amma. I was unable to go on that particular visit. Amma works in the most

mysterious ways. I send him an Amma card and it arrived precisely on his

birthday! It was the only card he received that day.If someone decides to visit,

that is a personal choice. No one is forced to go-it's something that you are

inspired to do to lend an ear, a heart and Amma's love, nothing more. We all

know we are making our own personal choices on this. It's probably not for

everyone.in Her service,AdrianeAmmachi , " tom "

<tomgull wrote:>> What is Circle of Love's *policy* on visits? > And what

kind of preparation (ie, training) > is given? I would think visits would be a >

little later in the growth of the program. > > I mean, I don't know how much

they've changed > Mother's Kitchen in the DC area, but I was > very shocked when

I delivered food > one-time and an obviously beaten-woman was > checking in. I

hadn't been prepared for > seeing such real-life bruises that can only > come

one way. And there were other issues, > of how the Amma-sevites handled inmate

upsets > (ie, drama) that happened from time to time > because of inmates

arguing over bed choice, etc. > Another time, I noticed a young woman my age>

trying to get my attention alot, and as much > as I felt bad for her, I knew

better than > to get personally involved in any way.> > You could do it two

ways: Have a no-visit policy> and that's the response you give. Or, have rules>

governing visits, like no single-person visits, to> keep the sevites mindful and

not get drawn in too> personally.> > I think the visits are a bad idea, unless

they're > on death row with no chance of parole. It opens> a whole can of worms,

of personal relationships> and whether the sevites possess adequate mental>

health to both be supportive and not endanger> their own well-being. > > It

might even introduce a liability that MA Center > may not be willing to

underwrite.> > Ammachi , " Aikya Param " <aikya@> wrote:> >>

> Hi everybody. I got a request yesterday and the human me is rolling > > my

eyes and saying " Impossible! " So this must be Amma's department.> > > > The

request came from a young man in Sumner, Illinois -- in prison > > in Sumner,

IL. He really appreciates the letters he receives from > > his Circle of Love

Inside letter writer but she writes very > > infrequently. Now I could get all

huffy puffy about this, but I know > > that I am really busy and I don't wrote

to my correspondents as > > often as they probably would like. He wrote to ask

if someone else > > could write to him -- and -- here's the hard part -- VISIT

him.> (snipped)>

 

 

 

 

 

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dear beloved sister adriane,please be so kind to make sure anyone that you are

aware of that is locked up and has not received AMMAs letter gets it.if you

need a copy let temba know.and dear sister,can you please share the name of the

person in st.louis that you are refering to because temba is not aware of who

you are talking about.feel free to call dear sister adriane.thankyou beloved

sister.

 

Ammachi: a1driane: Sun, 17 Aug 2008

22:04:59 +0000 Re: Impossible Request-- visits...

 

 

 

 

Themba,thanks so much for sharing this. You are such a joy and inspiration and

yet remain ever so humble. We heard that we had another sevite in St. Louis that

contacted you about Pine Ridge? Is that correct? If so, let me know or send me

an email so that we may connect.We are involved in the birthday cards along with

other Satsangs now. It is really a joy to get their cards and letters of thanks

in return. Some are wistful in recollecting how they made an error in judgement

that they long regret. None have asked for sympathy or anything like that. On a

deeper level it was simply their desire to be able to connect to someone who

might show simply compassion. Their deep longing for human connection is

apparent as it seems for many that their friends and families have long

forgotten them. I really enjoyed Amma's own personal letter to all of those who

were waiting for letter writers. If we can uplift even just one other person,

what a great gift this is. COL and COL inside are just magnificent inspirations

for our beloved Amma, our guru, our Divine Mother and infinite Love.at Her

feet,AdrianeAmmachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits

wrote:>> > dear beloved family.CIRCLE OF LOVE INSIDE was inititaed by utilized

prison visits as well as letter writing.it actually began INSIDE.the first

letter was written by AMMAs sun temba,to the MA center while he was

incarsarated.sw.dayamrita responded and sent temba books which he distributed to

all the guys.when temba came home from another jail bid,he through AMMAs grace

,commited to visiting the men he was locked up with and he also wrote them.>

Michael was some one who AMMAs sun immediately recognized as having many gifts

too share with the world.he was fearless in his approach to life.he use to be so

proud to introduce AMMAs sun as his teacher.he fell in love with AMMA and had

dreams with HER in it.he is now known by most of the men he has been locked up

with a geniuos monk.Michael was the first person that temba visited and wrote

letters to.i love him like i love LIFE.michael is so dear to this heart.he has a

lot of time to do,but AMMA has assued this heart that he will meet AMMA in

person one day.for anymore questions ,please call @641-233-8255> CIRCLE OF LOVE

inside is but a label given to yet another form of AMMAs unstoppable compassion

in action.> > > >

 

 

 

 

 

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thankyou tom for this insight dear brother.AMMA does say to use discrimation

along with compassion.thankyou so much.there are CIRCLE OF LOVE INSIDE

guidelines beloved brother.anyone who joins will get them,however the first

thing is to trust AMMA fearlessly and the guidance will always come when it

needs to.

 

and lastly beloved ,the guidelines are also to protect the people

incarsarted.love is universal.love protects all.thanks again for the insight.and

we cannoy believe all that we here on the movies.the truth is that 90 percent of

the people locked up are there for drug involved cases,not violent crimes.and

also dear tom and others who may want to know.when a person goes on a prison

visit ,or there is a lot of security and guys dont want to do anything to keep

them in there any longer.prison visits are actually very safe.

anyone who doesn't believe this can call any prison in n.america and they

will confirm this for you.love you

 

 

 

Ammachi: tomgull: Sun, 17 Aug 2008

20:02:07 +0000 Re: Impossible Request-- visits...

 

 

 

 

Temba, it's obvious you're someone " on the level " that wouldn't benegatively

affected by visits to others. But there's a real dangerin getting involved with

any stranger. Thinking that Amma willprotect everyone is naive (just ask those

who've left over the years).I think that there should be clear guidelines from

Amma/Dayamritaregarding visits to jails, or even mental institutions. While

yourintention is good, sevites may be manipulated by predatorypersonalities.

There's many a Poor-Me story to go around.So it should be examined, as to how

often the person requesting VISITSis getting written to, and if it falls within

the guidelines for being*adequate* in the program. Anybody in a jail or hospital

is goingto be lonely and needy, but this needs to be balanced against realissues

(ie, is the person requesting more than what's healthy for allsides). If the

goal is to write and correspond, then aim for that goal. Ifthe goal is to

comfort (ie, " Amma's job " as Dayamrita once told astory), then there's no limit

to what that would entail. Stop beingfools about this stuff.tom--- In

Ammachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits wrote:> > dear beloved

family.CIRCLE OF LOVE INSIDE was inititaed byutilized prison visits as well as

letter writing. (snipped)

 

 

 

 

 

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this is very geniune and real.this is also temba's experience from the inside

and well as from coming to visit from the outside.this is real.most of the other

stuff as the sister said,is the pre-imposed judgements of the mind.love you and

thankyou .

 

Ammachi: Mmrivertalk: Mon, 18 Aug 2008

12:40:02 -0400 Re: Impossible Request-- visits...

 

 

 

 

Can only speak from my own experience. For many years went into high security

prisons and worked with men and women charged for Capital Murder. Worked for

mitigation of death sentences. Never experience the energy that Tom is

suggesting, in fact, soon found that going into the prisons was one of the

safest places to be. In my experience there where many precautions in place by

the prisons, and there was always a guard near by at all times. I worked with a

number of ones that had done heinous murders, but never felt threatened or

manipulated. In the beginning walked in with prejudices, judgements, and an open

heart and soon found " there i go " . They had the same longings and desire for

love and understanding as any of us. Found them to be very receptive to self

reflection and examination. When a couple of layers where peeled back, so very

often what was revealed was a " maternally wounded child " . Wounded folks that had

looked for Amma in all the wrong places with all the wrong tools, leading to all

the wrong decisions. My opinion the greatest gift these folks could find would

be for someone to give them the autobiography that Swamiji wrote called Ammachi.

That will most likely crack the shell, there is power in that book to heal, as

there is Supreme power in Amma. Perhaps there are some out there, but i never

met one that was experienced as evil, but rather the most wounded folks one

could ever imagine. I was visiting with a Forensic Psychiatrist and he made the

statement that every death penalty person's problems he had examined where

rooted in the Mother/Child relationship, and whatever the force that shattered

them, it would take an equal or greater force to bring them back together, and

surely Amma is that greater force! Mother God in flesh! She is greater than any

shatter!As far as visiting, if you are an adult that can set healthy boundaries,

then surely you can trust yourself and the Amma that is within and without to

guide. If one goes in with their finger pointing rather than an open heart, they

will not hurt you, nor will they open their hearts to you.Aum Amritewaryai

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you are not listening tom and in your not paying attention you are

misleading.we have been going on succesful prison visits for the last three

years.the program started with prison visits.is that clear.there are 'MANY "

spiriitiual groups that go on prison visits .this is nothing new.millions of

people go to see their loved ones.what training is there?you just don't

understand.open your heart,go on a visit yourself and then give your

conclusion.you are like the scientist who analilizes ,but does not experience,

thus they only " think " they know what they are talking about.

spiriitual principles apply to everything in life,even going on prison visits.

and beloved tom,true compassion does not mean that you make irresponsible

choices.that would not be compassion at all.that would be to make a incorrect

choice.you need to give AMMA devotees more credit,or at least the seva program

that came out of HER resolve.AMMAs grace will guide everyone of HER children if

they decide to go and they will have COLINSIDE guidelines to go buy as

well.EVERYTHING OUR AMMA touches will be guided by HER undying grace.

that may be a type of faith that you may not understand,but you dont have

to .you keep on being true to you.in the meantime AMMAs sevas will continue

thriving with PERFECT

SUCCESS!AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AM\

MA,AMAM,AMMA IS CIRCLE OF LOVE INSIDE..

 

and do yourself a favor and dont wait around for something to go wrong cause

it wont happen! and even if it does, SHE will turn all that into AMBROSIA!

 

 

 

Ammachi: tomgull: Tue, 19 Aug 2008

00:16:45 +0000 Re: Impossible Request-- visits...

 

 

 

 

My main concern is not the physical safety of Amma-visitors, thoughyou do raise

a point. I know a woman that went from Public Works likeme, to being a prison

guard in a high-security prison. She did tellme she was pressed up against the

wall during an uprising one-time. But my understanding is that many uprising's

aside from gang-relatedstuff, is usually to improve the conditions at the

prison, as in thestory she told me.Manipulative (bad birth star types) can occur

anywhere, and unlessyou've encountered such compulsive-destructive types, you'd

neverbelieve they exist, or know how dangerous they are.My main concern is that

through any interaction with strangers in*extreme* conditions, proper

training/qualification should be inorder. For example, if there was a decent

Orientation process forthose wanting to visit, it could work with minimal risk.

It's justthat those with so-called compassionate hearts can over-extend

thingssometimes, if they're only going with a feeling or inner

guidance,expecting things to be alright. Like I said, poll those who've

leftAmma, if you dare, and you'll get a clearer picture of things.You may have

guidelines for Circle of Love, but they should be keptupdated, if the program is

moving towards personal visits, rather thanjust letters.--- In

Ammachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits wrote:>> > thankyou

tom for this insight dear brother.AMMA does say to usediscrimation along with

compassion.thankyou so much.there are CIRCLEOF LOVE INSIDE guidelines beloved

brother.anyone who joins will getthem,however the first thing is to trust AMMA

fearlessly and theguidance will always come when it needs to. (snipped)

 

 

 

 

 

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oh dear tom once again like two siblings we are at it again.AMMAs sun is so

grateful to have you in his life.you are more dear to this heart then you

know.tom is love

 

Ammachi: tomgull: Tue, 19 Aug 2008

19:38:22 +0000 Re: Impossible Request-- visits...

 

 

 

 

And when something does go wrong in an Amma-resolved seva, thencertainly it was

the individual's fault right?Because the org is INFALLIBLE! Someone with a real

problem,certainly won't seek assistance from a poster child like you,

because,AMMA AMMA AMMA can't be wrong!Ammachi , temba

spirits <tembaspiritswrote:(snipped)you keep on being true to you.in the

meantime AMMAs sevas willcontinue thriving with

PERFECTSUCCESS!AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,\

AMMA,AMMA,AMAM,AMMAIS CIRCLE OF LOVE INSIDE..(snipped)

 

 

 

 

 

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thankyou again tom,you are just affirming what temba said ,whether or not

you realize it.this is perfect.you are expressing the same behavior towards me

that you say that the people locked up may express.can you please be so kind to

give me " training " so that my beloved tom does not effect my heart.oh tom stop

being so predictable.as temba said ,the meat in potatoes in all of this is for

you dear tom to not talk about it,but to " be " about it.go on a prison visit

beloved.or start your own prison outreach.be the example dear beloved.you can

not be an example by just giving your opinion.your experience should back it up.

that is all AMMAs sun is suggesting.dont get upset.dont compromise who you are

by " trying to attack " my character because you are now faced with looking at

yourself.be couraguos and look at ,how what you are " saying " about " them " can

also be applied to yourself.

you should know by now that AMMA has commanded this heart to stay in the flow

of love.TOM IS LOVE.TOM IS COMPASSION.TOM IS INTEGRITY.TOM IS HOPE.TOM IS

................................................................................l\

ove you dear brother.please keep expressing yourself dear

one.AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA..........................................\

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Ammachi: tomgull: Tue, 19 Aug 2008

19:34:54 +0000 Re: Impossible Request-- visits...

 

 

 

 

I'm NOT misleading, YOU are. I dare you to honestly converse withthose who've

left, instead of misleading others. I double-dare you.Co-dependency, for one

thing is a real danger when personalinteractions are concerned. Who evaluates

whether the interactionsare working, because all I hear is " feeling " . Maybe MA

Center'sBoard is warranted in not certifying COL just yet. I had

thoughtotherwise previously.Temba, you think just because you had it rough and

served time (forwhich you were probably guilty) makes you an ideal Amma advocate

anddevotee. And please don't give me any of that " I am nothing " self-loathing

crap, as that kind of attitude has what's kept so manydevotees from addressing

their real issues. Self-depreciatingautomatically evokes the pseudo

compassionate ones, like some on thislist who are too eager to stand in a

circle, patting each-other on theback.Go join Surya Das in Rajasic's Anonymous.

You need help.Ammachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits

wrote:>> > you are not listening tom and in your not paying attention youare

misleading.we have been going on succesful prison visits for thelast three

years.the program started with prison visits.is thatclear.there are 'MANY "

spiriitiual groups that go on prison visits.this is nothing new.millions of

people go to see their lovedones.what training is there?you just don't

understand.open yourheart,go on a visit yourself and then give your

conclusion.you arelike the scientist who analilizes ,but does not experience,

thus theyonly " think " they know what they are talking about. > spiriitual

principles apply to everything in life,even going onprison visits. and beloved

tom,true compassion does not mean that youmake irresponsible choices.that would

not be compassion at all.thatwould be to make a incorrect choice.you need to

give AMMA devoteesmore credit,or at least the seva program that came out of

HERresolve.AMMAs grace will guide everyone of HER children if they decideto go

and they will have COLINSIDE guidelines to go buy aswell.EVERYTHING OUR AMMA

touches will be guided by HER undying grace.> that may be a type of faith that

you may not understand,butyou dont have to .you keep on being true to you.in the

meantime AMMAssevas will continue thriving with

PERFECTSUCCESS!AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,\

AMMA,AMMA,AMAM,AMMAIS CIRCLE OF LOVE INSIDE..> > and do yourself a favor and

dont wait around for something to gowrong cause it wont happen! and even if it

does, SHE will turn allthat into AMBROSIA!> >

 

 

 

 

 

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