ill informed?

[Guest guest]

Stop being an ENABLER. For over 20 years, I've personally witnessed

the various personality types and MANY people PERSONALLY who battle

with addictions and depression (and MANIA) and YOU'RE the one that's

ill-informed.

 

I've seen all the types of treatments and they don't work in the long

run IF THE PERSON doesn't change. Ask anyone who's been successful

LONG-TERM, in over-coming an addiction or other mental problem and

they'll tell you that they're not the same person. Psych meds are

for those who need them, and only in certain cases are they needed

long-term. For example, if your birthstar is Magham, you probably

need to be on mood-stabilizers, and have predictable arguments that

time of the month (women!). They tend to blurt out things without

thinking, and have their feelings permanently attached to a

roller-coaster. But hey, at least it's sooo much fun.

 

People want their life to get better, but fight change. " I gotta be

me... "

 

Clinical Depression needs medication because it's ACUTE. That's very

different than long-term care, in which the person needs to be weened

off them, or at least greatly reduced. It's very common for Manic

Depressive's to stop taking their meds because they're too

stabilizing. I mean, Mania is the best, cheapest, laziest high you

can experience. All-natural, no cost trip to la-la land of DRAMA,

just stop taking your meds. And then the crash.

 

Depression and Addiction are spiritual in nature, and cannot be

completely cured by meds. Even with OCD, there's only so much meds

can do, the person has to become mindful of when they're experiencing

the condition and decide not to act, etc.

 

Part of depression in older people is nothing more than inertia. I

kinda wished Amma made more visits to nursing homes, etc. This past

Spring a relative had a stroke. She CHOSE not to be cooperative and

'be her own boss', and it resulted in the insurance company stopping

their payment after a month. After that, the psych doctor put her

on anti-psychotics. She had certain injuries, but she was putting on

an act to get sympathy, both at the rehab center and now (she can

move her arm and walk, acts like she can't.). That stroke-rehab

center was FULL of depressed elderly people at the total mercy of the

staff. It was depressing just to walk through the place. When my

aunt was in there, my family worked hard to make sure my aunt had

daily visitors, which was way more than any other patient in there.

But it wasn't enough. Now, we barely visit her at all because she

doesn't want to get better, she just wants to go " home " . She lays in

bed, when she could sit in a chair or take a walk.

 

" No progress " means " No Progress " .

They don't want to be depressed, but they don't want to be told what

to do either, just like you! Like I said before, if you're unhappy,

blame the boss.

 

Schizo's and other serious disorders need appropriate treatment. But

tell that to someone who may have something like Asperger's, who's

probably 'functional'. People have to be willing to do what their

therapist recommends to reach a healthy and happy state of mind.

 

 

Ammachi , " n2amma " <a1driane wrote:

>

> Oh, hello everyone I am so sorry but I have to address this claim to

> " knowledge " that is absurd and destructive.

>

> This is so ridiculous really in the year 2008 to make such a broad

> AND INCREDIBLY uninformed swipe at what is a true illness. This is

> 1930s thinking which is why we still have issues in courts with

> schizophrenics and those with clinical depression. " Just get over

> it " , build your inner self, etc is so absurd-is this Tom Cruise?!..Do

> you really think those who are depressed WANT to be depressed?!

>

> Clinical depression requires medication. Some suffer their whole

> lives no matter what medicine they have or what they try to do. Some

> people have permanent problems with seratonin which medicine does not

> FIX.

>

> The point IS that people who

> think like this absurd statement made here-truly have no real

> understanding of these disorders. It's easy to be an outsider and

> think you really " get it " but ridiculous statements like this make it

> quite clear that you really do not get it. You are not alone. So many

> really do NOT get it. You would think in 2008 we would be SO Much

> further along.

>

> Amma teaches compassion. Do you think all the elderly who suffer from

> depression in their old age need to just suck it up? Those with

> personality disorder or schizophrenia should just get over it?

>

> It's downright uninformed. You should check out the

> http://www.nami.org/ and learn the truthon mental illness before

> making short sighted claims of knowledge. It sounds " rough " ? No it is

> simply complete ignorance of the medical facts

[Guest guest]

growing up on the westside of chicago,was to experience an entire community

that was plagued with the energy of depression,addiction,prostitution,drug

dealing,gang violence and death.to this day when i return to the neighborhood

that i grew up in ,i see the same faces that i have seen for years on the same

corners waiting for the same liquar store to open,so they dont get the shakes

and possibly die. i see the same women that i knew growing up as a kid,selling

their body's in order to get that next hit.

AMMAs sun use to get depressed just walking down the street and all he

could do was try to save his neighborhood.he failed every time.all he could do

is go to his alter and cry to HER to save them.well dear friends my

neighborhood is still in a state of emergency and now temba does the little he

can to help.my heart wanted to save them ,just as a mothers heart would want all

of their children to be free.as i said,i have had to accept my failures time and

time again,but LO did i really fail!

maybe not since now i have developed a greater capacity to understand and at

least try to serve more effectively.maybe i didnt fail since now i can be a

bridge that can connect the worlds of the sick and the healthy.those that use

drugs and suffer are dealing with a sickness and those that have no

understanding and compassion are suffering from a sickness as well.AMMA's love

within our very own hearts can meet anyone on their level.for me there is no us

and them.in other words,when one hurts we all hurt on some level.

AMMA says ,what person cuts their hand and doesn't try to heal it?SHE says

that all we have to do is expand and we will realize that when anyone suffers

that that is a part of ourselves,no different then the person who has cut his

hand.

if we are all one,then ofcourse we feel the pain of others.this is the path of

the bodisattwa in buddism,the true christian,the addict in recovery and the AMMA

devotee who is in love with HER ways.we are all much more the same then we are

different.difference is just on the surface.I AM MY WORSE ENEMY.my very own mind

and ego has caused me way more harm then any of you ever could.it takes courage

to accept this.it takes courage to change.it takes courage to LOVE.when you see

someone who has been depressed or who has overcome addiction, CELEBRATE this

victory with all of your heart. that person is a child of true courage.people of

all races and cultures that have suffered the most are some of the happiest and

grateful people alive.

n.american culture is documented as one of the most miserable

cultures,verses kenya which is one the poorest country's and is said to have

some of the happiest and grateful people.i would suppose that they would not see

the value in some of our discussions.to smile in gratitude for a grain of rice

is likely more important to them.this is the gift to having slept in cardboard

boxes in newyork city.my gratitude for life is much more expanded and i am in

love with AMMAs inspiration that enables me and compells me to love and serve in

the best way that i can.

AMMAs sun suggestion is to be careful when we opinionate and don't talk from

our true experience.intelectual analizing is very empty and it could be

considered a disease itself.the disease of the ego.this is the same disease that

has caused wars and has contributed to the destruction of millions of innocent

lives.this disease of the ego that seperates,manipulates and controls masses of

people's emotions has destroyed much more people then any addict ever could,yet

we still pray and chant " MAY ALL BEINGS BE PEACEFUL AND HAPPY "

that is just our dharma if we are AMMA devotee;s.that is the perfect example

SHE has given us.

you are all beautiful to this heart in your own way.we all want the same

thing deep down.we all breathe the same air.we are all family,like it or

not.when we go back in forth in our disputes we are just acting like kids who

want to get their way.this same back and forthness when it gets out of hand,is

what gives birth to world wars.it is the same ego beloved family.it is the same

disease.love you.

 

 

 

 

Ammachi: tomgull: Thu, 14 Aug 2008

04:53:44 +0000 Re: ill informed?

 

 

 

 

Stop being an ENABLER. For over 20 years, I've personally witnessedthe various

personality types and MANY people PERSONALLY who battlewith addictions and

depression (and MANIA) and YOU'RE the one that'sill-informed.I've seen all the

types of treatments and they don't work in the longrun IF THE PERSON doesn't

change. Ask anyone who's been successfulLONG-TERM, in over-coming an addiction

or other mental problem andthey'll tell you that they're not the same person.

Psych meds arefor those who need them, and only in certain cases are they

neededlong-term. For example, if your birthstar is Magham, you probablyneed to

be on mood-stabilizers, and have predictable arguments thattime of the month

(women!). They tend to blurt out things withoutthinking, and have their feelings

permanently attached to aroller-coaster. But hey, at least it's sooo much

fun.People want their life to get better, but fight change. " I gotta

beme... " Clinical Depression needs medication because it's ACUTE. That's

verydifferent than long-term care, in which the person needs to be weenedoff

them, or at least greatly reduced. It's very common for ManicDepressive's to

stop taking their meds because they're toostabilizing. I mean, Mania is the

best, cheapest, laziest high youcan experience. All-natural, no cost trip to

la-la land of DRAMA,just stop taking your meds. And then the crash.Depression

and Addiction are spiritual in nature, and cannot becompletely cured by meds.

Even with OCD, there's only so much medscan do, the person has to become mindful

of when they're experiencingthe condition and decide not to act, etc.Part of

depression in older people is nothing more than inertia. Ikinda wished Amma made

more visits to nursing homes, etc. This pastSpring a relative had a stroke. She

CHOSE not to be cooperative and'be her own boss', and it resulted in the

insurance company stoppingtheir payment after a month. After that, the psych

doctor put heron anti-psychotics. She had certain injuries, but she was putting

onan act to get sympathy, both at the rehab center and now (she canmove her arm

and walk, acts like she can't.). That stroke-rehabcenter was FULL of depressed

elderly people at the total mercy of thestaff. It was depressing just to walk

through the place. When myaunt was in there, my family worked hard to make sure

my aunt haddaily visitors, which was way more than any other patient in there.

But it wasn't enough. Now, we barely visit her at all because shedoesn't want to

get better, she just wants to go " home " . She lays inbed, when she could sit in a

chair or take a walk. " No progress " means " No Progress " . They don't want to be

depressed, but they don't want to be told whatto do either, just like you! Like

I said before, if you're unhappy,blame the boss.Schizo's and other serious

disorders need appropriate treatment. Buttell that to someone who may have

something like Asperger's, who'sprobably 'functional'. People have to be willing

to do what theirtherapist recommends to reach a healthy and happy state of

mind.Ammachi , " n2amma " <a1driane wrote:>> Oh, hello

everyone I am so sorry but I have to address this claim to > " knowledge " that is

absurd and destructive. > > This is so ridiculous really in the year 2008 to

make such a broad > AND INCREDIBLY uninformed swipe at what is a true illness.

This is > 1930s thinking which is why we still have issues in courts with >

schizophrenics and those with clinical depression. " Just get over > it " , build

your inner self, etc is so absurd-is this Tom Cruise?!..Do > you really think

those who are depressed WANT to be depressed?! > > Clinical depression requires

medication. Some suffer their whole > lives no matter what medicine they have or

what they try to do. Some > people have permanent problems with seratonin which

medicine does not > FIX. > > The point IS that people who > think like this

absurd statement made here-truly have no real > understanding of these

disorders. It's easy to be an outsider and > think you really " get it " but

ridiculous statements like this make it > quite clear that you really do not get

it. You are not alone. So many > really do NOT get it. You would think in 2008

we would be SO Much > further along.> > Amma teaches compassion. Do you think

all the elderly who suffer from > depression in their old age need to just suck

it up? Those with > personality disorder or schizophrenia should just get over

it? > > It's downright uninformed. You should check out the >

http://www.nami.org/ and learn the truthon mental illness before > making short

sighted claims of knowledge. It sounds " rough " ? No it is > simply complete

ignorance of the medical facts

 

 

 

 

 

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