there are no drug addict accusations!

[Guest guest]

There IS something wrong with being an addict, just like Depression

(and Mania), because they're much different than Cancer or other

physical illnesses.

 

I know from personal experience, that while what you say about

" addicts " may be true for SOME, it's also true a person just needs to

change the way they live their life (processing things, etc.).

There's only so much therapy and psych meds can do for anyone. If

the inner will is not strengthened, the person will never get better,

ever.

 

'Addicts' and those with similar conditions, like Manic Depression,

keep playing the victim and " doing whatever they FEEL like doing " .

They need to stop blaming the disease and start blaming their boss

(ie, themselves). Sounds rough, but it's the only way they'll get

better. And it's dangerous working with someone who's a bonafide

addict (of any kind) or has clinical depression, because they can

literally drain the life-force out of you. Very much the way a

drowning person will push you under to keep their own head above

water. Only properly trained people should attempt to assist

unhealthy people.

 

As I've said on here before, I know people personally, that will

suffer from depression, mania, and drugs/alcohol for the rest of their

natural lives, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO CHANGE. People want

happiness, but they want personal freedom more.

 

" A " 's request was legit because it was not important to discussing

Amma, and keeping them up was clearly retribution for her earlier

comments.

 

 

Ammachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits wrote:

>

>

> AMMAs sun wonders when someone is going to defend the word drug

addict,as if there is something " wrong " with having that disease,or

something degrading about being one,or being accused of being one .no

one says , " please stop accusing me of having cancer.' (snipped)

>

> crying out 'stop doing that,stop doing that will only make it

worse " .what you resist becomes stronger.

[Guest guest]

dear beloved tom,blame is much different then ACCEPTANCE.when we accept what

is,what follows is peace of mind.only someone who has experienced this would

know this.a disease has done nothing to know one. even the bacteria that causes

the body to become sick is only doing what is is destoned to do.all life

deserves to live. cocaine has done nothing to anyone beloved.whatever sick mind

decided to make it into something that kills people is the universal cause of

all disease and that starts within you.before you react ,please catch the

ESSENCE of what is being shared here. and beloved tom,you are aware enough and a

deep enough soul to know that disease first starts for anyone in the

mind!disease is a universal thing.and it is all a matter of each persons

perception.

 

if you think its wrong " so what " that is one opinion out of 6 BILLION!the real

disease is hatred,greed,selfishness,fear,etc.Swami rama first said that EGO is

a human disease and that is something that we all have ,so therefore , " WE " all

have a disease.all it takes is to be REAL with yourself.are you not willing to

see the ONENESS of everything.it is beautiful to share all of your

philosophys,however now it is time to go deeper.if you cannot see that drug

addiction and cancer are in the core the same thing ,AMMAs sun invites you to go

within and search.

all the self help books on the market say that all disease starts in the

mind,but when temba says it ,because of your lack of compassion to see us all as

the same ,you in your innocence make your tainted remarks.that is okay,your

perspective is needed,in order for a deeper contemplation to take place.thankyou

so much.tom is love.

 

thank GOD for the MAHATMAS who teach us to always searh for the universal

truth that we all have in common.LOVE IS THE ANSWER,LOVE IS THE

WAY,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,,AMMA,SEES ALL AS HER BELOVED

CHILDREN ,and this is the level that this child longs to be on.he is not there

by any means,but he is in love with the possibility.i love you tom,we have come

a long way.once again like two IGNORANT siblings ,both thinking we know

something,when in true we are all oh so IGNORANT.

 

 

 

Ammachi: tomgull: Tue, 12 Aug 2008

21:41:52 +0000 Re: there are no " drug addict " accusations!

 

 

 

 

There IS something wrong with being an addict, just like Depression(and Mania),

because they're much different than Cancer or otherphysical illnesses.I know

from personal experience, that while what you say about " addicts " may be true for

SOME, it's also true a person just needs tochange the way they live their life

(processing things, etc.). There's only so much therapy and psych meds can do

for anyone. Ifthe inner will is not strengthened, the person will never get

better,ever. 'Addicts' and those with similar conditions, like Manic

Depression,keep playing the victim and " doing whatever they FEEL like doing " .

They need to stop blaming the disease and start blaming their boss(ie,

themselves). Sounds rough, but it's the only way they'll getbetter. And it's

dangerous working with someone who's a bonafideaddict (of any kind) or has

clinical depression, because they canliterally drain the life-force out of you.

Very much the way adrowning person will push you under to keep their own head

abovewater. Only properly trained people should attempt to assistunhealthy

people.As I've said on here before, I know people personally, that willsuffer

from depression, mania, and drugs/alcohol for the rest of theirnatural lives,

BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO CHANGE. People wanthappiness, but they want personal

freedom more. " A " 's request was legit because it was not important to

discussingAmma, and keeping them up was clearly retribution for her

earliercomments.Ammachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits

wrote:>> > AMMAs sun wonders when someone is going to defend the word

drugaddict,as if there is something " wrong " with having that disease,orsomething

degrading about being one,or being accused of being one .noone says , " please

stop accusing me of having cancer.' (snipped)> > crying out 'stop doing

that,stop doing that will only make itworse " .what you resist becomes stronger.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Oh, hello everyone I am so sorry but I have to address this claim to

" knowledge " that is absurd and destructive.

 

This is so ridiculous really in the year 2008 to make such a broad

AND INCREDIBLY uninformed swipe at what is a true illness. This is

1930s thinking which is why we still have issues in courts with

schizophrenics and those with clinical depression. " Just get over

it " , build your inner self, etc is so absurd-is this Tom Cruise?!..Do

you really think those who are depressed WANT to be depressed?!

 

Clinical depression requires medication. Some suffer their whole

lives no matter what medicine they have or what they try to do. Some

people have permanent problems with seratonin which medicine does not

FIX.

 

The point IS that people who

think like this absurd statement made here-truly have no real

understanding of these disorders. It's easy to be an outsider and

think you really " get it " but ridiculous statements like this make it

quite clear that you really do not get it. You are not alone. So many

really do NOT get it. You would think in 2008 we would be SO Much

further along.

 

Amma teaches compassion. Do you think all the elderly who suffer from

depression in their old age need to just suck it up? Those with

personality disorder or schizophrenia should just get over it?

 

It's downright uninformed. You should check out the

http://www.nami.org/ and learn the truthon mental illness before

making short sighted claims of knowledge. It sounds " rough " ? No it is

simply complete ignorance of the medical facts.

 

 

 

Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote:

>

> There IS something wrong with being an addict, just like Depression

> (and Mania), because they're much different than Cancer or other

> physical illnesses.

>

> I know from personal experience, that while what you say about

> " addicts " may be true for SOME, it's also true a person just needs

to

> change the way they live their life (processing things, etc.).

> There's only so much therapy and psych meds can do for anyone. If

> the inner will is not strengthened, the person will never get

better,

> ever.

>

> 'Addicts' and those with similar conditions, like Manic Depression,

> keep playing the victim and " doing whatever they FEEL like doing " .

> They need to stop blaming the disease and start blaming their boss

> (ie, themselves). Sounds rough, but it's the only way they'll get

> better. And it's dangerous working with someone who's a bonafide

> addict (of any kind) or has clinical depression, because they can

> literally drain the life-force out of you. Very much the way a

> drowning person will push you under to keep their own head above

> water. Only properly trained people should attempt to assist

> unhealthy people.

>

> As I've said on here before, I know people personally, that will

> suffer from depression, mania, and drugs/alcohol for the rest of

their

> natural lives, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO CHANGE. People want

> happiness, but they want personal freedom more.

>

> " A " 's request was legit because it was not important to discussing

> Amma, and keeping them up was clearly retribution for her earlier

> comments.

>

>

> Ammachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > AMMAs sun wonders when someone is going to defend the word drug

> addict,as if there is something " wrong " with having that disease,or

> something degrading about being one,or being accused of being

one .no

> one says , " please stop accusing me of having cancer.' (snipped)

> >

> > crying out 'stop doing that,stop doing that will only make it

> worse " .what you resist becomes stronger.

>