there are no Anan drug addict accusations!...only fevered minds who think

[Guest guest]

Ammachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits wrote:

>

>

> AMMAs sun wonders when someone is going to defend the word drug

addict,as if there is something " wrong " with having that disease,or

something degrading about being one,or being accused of being one .no

one says , " please stop accusing me of having cancer. "

> the spiritual path is so subtle.some things innocently get missed.

......................

> my suggestions to our beloved sister is that she not become what she

despises.whatever her spiritual path is should be practiced in the

same way that she has accused AMMA devotees of nor practicing.

>

> crying out 'stop doing that,stop doing that will only make it

worse " .what you resist becomes stronger.

>

>

OM Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

 

Namaskarams!!

 

Once again dear brother Temba, you have " hit the nail " directly on the

" head " ....very good insight and excellent expression of it....i think

you are exactly right in what you say....the way of resistance only

begets MORE resistance, and more anger and ...and...the ongoing swirl

of " he said...she said.... " which will never end until someone gets

OFF the (not so)merry-go-round of accusations and counter

accusations....even just removing the offending writings will not

really solve the problem, as it is only really solvable by the person

who is making the mountain out of the grain of sand in this

case...time to just " let go and Let God " .....i too agree that the old

twelve step dance might be a good way for some of us to realise that

really, we are NOT in charge....the " higher power " is....we cannot

make other people say what we want, we can only live with what they DO

say....and hope to behave in such a manner that they will not continue

battering our fragile little egos even more....(although if they do

more ego bashing that is probly just what the Divine figured we needed

just now....and we should really THANK them for showing us the parts

of us that still need work and prayer and surrender to the Divine....

 

so once again dear brother THANK you for your love filled as well as

Jnana filled writings, both upon this issue and upon the many others

upon which you have commented with a loving hand and eye...May our

Mother bless you and protect you always!!

 

in Her Divine Love,

and in Her Service,

as ever,

your own Self,

 

visvanathan

 

OM Amrtesvaryai Namah!

[Guest guest]

Ammachi , " visvanathan " <kasi_visvanath wrote:

>

> Ammachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > AMMAs sun wonders when someone is going to defend the word drug

> addict,as if there is something " wrong " with having that disease,or

> something degrading about being one,or being accused of being one .no

> one says , " please stop accusing me of having cancer. "

> > the spiritual path is so subtle.some things innocently get missed.

> .....................

OM Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

 

Namaskarams!!

 

i also wanted to thank you for your wonderful insightful take on the

" drug addict " issue....and i feel that there too, you exactly and

correctly stated just how it really is....i've been there myself, in

earlier years, and i know what you are talking about...in my case it

was prescription drugs (ativan) for the purposes of subduing the

terrible migraines i used to get in my thirties...every day! killer

headaches....so as you stated, i was trying to get away from that

pain, and wound up in another even more insidious kind of pain from

the addiction...and i know how that felt, the way people looked down

on me as if i were some kind of slime, or lower kind of

life....whereas in reality i was merely trying to deal with this

chronic migraine problem in the only way i knew at the time.....

 

finally with the help of the divine i was able to get free of that

drug, but i still have to recognise like the alcoholic, that the

danger is ALWAYS there for me and i have to be careful always to avoid

that little path of destruction....Mother lifted me out of that

particular gutter, as well as another gutter of long term depression,

and only due to Her Loving Grace and care do i have the life that i do

have today...

 

i think that only people who have lived through that kind of pain and

rejection, and dependence can have any insight and compassion towards

others in the same 'place'....only someone who has been there

him/herself can understand that place of despair and sadness...

 

thanks again for your insightful and loving writings...a big Amma Hug

to you dear brother...

 

in Her Divine Love,

and in Her Service,

as ever,

your own Self,

 

visvanathan

 

OM Amrtesvaryai Namah!

[Guest guest]

It has been over a week since I have checked into this group. Again, I

have been referred here, and am amazed that I am still being talked

about non-stop when I dropped out of the discussion awhile ago.

 

I have respectfully requested that the defamatory posts be removed.

This is an issue of purposely libeling people whose careers and

volunteer work could be jeopardized by the offending posts. It is as

simple as this, and you have gone even further off track with all

sorts of dreamed up ideas of my intentions. I have simply requested

that the offending posts be removed, yet somehow this request has

served as a catalyst for even more character assassination.

 

The idea that this request must be an " ego problem " is a typical

response from devotees when they do not agree with something. It is a

shame when spiritual teachings are convoluted in this manner.

 

You continue to make exaggerated assumptions about my character and

intentions that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. You also

continue to disgrace your own guru and yourselves by behaving in this

stone-throwing and judgmental manner.

 

As for Temba, you should be embarrassed by your recent posts. I have

lost people to drug addiction, which is why I and my partner work with

them. I do not consider these suffering souls disgraceful or " less

than " in any way. What gives you the right to assume this of me? I

should not need to explain to you why accusations of drug addiction

are problematic for those who work with these populations. Nor do I

feel the need to justify, in detail, the reasons for my request.

 

The offending posters are continuing to dig a deeper hole for

themselves, as is the group moderator.

[Guest guest]

dear beloved " on behalf of violet " ,temba thanks you for your response.dear

sister,you are entitled to your opinion about temba.who i am i to think that i

am above being criticized.thankyou so much for giving me an oppurtuntity to love

you even more.you are my sister.we both breathe the same " BREATH OF LIFE " .AMMA

says that for someone on the spiritual path,'insult and compliment are the

same " .your attacks to my chacracter will only make this heart grow in compassion

for you and others.violet is love...

 

on another note beloved sister.temba is part native american and african

american.he lost at least 40 friends growing to some type of street madness.it

was either through gang violence ,over dose,or drug wars.you in your innocence

missed the point.there are 200,000,000 people in India that are labeled

" untouchable " by the caste sytem.the people themselves have labed

themselves " oppressed and outcast " .so do i dear sister.Mother teresa said the

poorest of the poor.Jesus said " blessed are the poor in spirit " another term for

that is simply " drug addict " .

 

i coould get angry and point fingers at the CIA,who has literally helped to

destroy ghetto community's throughout the world by dumping " DRUGS " into the

hood,but instead i will forgive so that my heart does not become that.dear

sister open your heart.that is the only way that you will understnad what AMMAs

sun temba shares with you.thankyou so much.violet is love.

 

 

 

Ammachi: violetdoves: Tue, 12 Aug 2008

09:33:47 +0000 Re: there are no " Anan drug addict "

accusations!...only fevered minds who think

 

 

 

 

It has been over a week since I have checked into this group. Again, Ihave been

referred here, and am amazed that I am still being talkedabout non-stop when I

dropped out of the discussion awhile ago.I have respectfully requested that the

defamatory posts be removed.This is an issue of purposely libeling people whose

careers andvolunteer work could be jeopardized by the offending posts. It is

assimple as this, and you have gone even further off track with allsorts of

dreamed up ideas of my intentions. I have simply requestedthat the offending

posts be removed, yet somehow this request hasserved as a catalyst for even more

character assassination. The idea that this request must be an " ego problem " is

a typicalresponse from devotees when they do not agree with something. It is

ashame when spiritual teachings are convoluted in this manner.You continue to

make exaggerated assumptions about my character andintentions that have nothing

to do with the issue at hand. You alsocontinue to disgrace your own guru and

yourselves by behaving in thisstone-throwing and judgmental manner.As for Temba,

you should be embarrassed by your recent posts. I havelost people to drug

addiction, which is why I and my partner work withthem. I do not consider these

suffering souls disgraceful or " lessthan " in any way. What gives you the right

to assume this of me? Ishould not need to explain to you why accusations of drug

addictionare problematic for those who work with these populations. Nor do Ifeel

the need to justify, in detail, the reasons for my request.The offending posters

are continuing to dig a deeper hole forthemselves, as is the group moderator.

 

 

 

 

 

_______________

Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before.

http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/

 

 

[Guest guest]

Beloved Temba....

I have just got out of a Psyc. Ward after having lost 4 years of sobriety.  I

just thought I would check into the group and the 1st email I checked out was

Toms!  I was sobbing and shaking in front of my Grandaughter..  To think of

being branded for life and to be thought of by society as damaged goods is

heartbreaking.  I am coming out of a 20 year marriage, have moved away from my

home in IIllinois, and this family and the Circle of Love have been my only

family.  Amma is my Mother.  Thank you for your words, I am so glad I continued

reading.  My heart can soar evan after being scorched by earthly fires, my

Mother makes me strong and lets me know that I am worthy and have a place in

this world.

 

Whatever merit is acquired by one, through pilgrimmages and from bathing in the

Sacred Waters extending to the seven seas, cannot be equal to even one

thousandth part of the merit derived from partaking the water with the Guru's

Feet are washed.

 

Guru Gita

Verses 157, 87

 

At Her Perfect Lotus Feet

Vaishnavi

 

--- On Tue, 8/12/08, temba spirits <tembaspirits wrote:

 

temba spirits <tembaspirits

RE: Re: there are no " Anan drug addict " accusations!...only

fevered minds who think

ammachi

Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 12:41 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear beloved " on behalf of violet " ,temba thanks you for your response.dear

sister,you are entitled to your opinion about temba.who i am i to think that i

am above being criticized.thankyou so much for giving me an oppurtuntity to love

you even more.you are my sister.we both breathe the same " BREATH OF LIFE " .AMMA

says that for someone on the spiritual path,'insult and compliment are the

same " .your attacks to my chacracter will only make this heart grow in compassion

for you and others.violet is love...

 

on another note beloved sister.temba is part native american and african

american.he lost at least 40 friends growing to some type of street madness.it

was either through gang violence ,over dose,or drug wars.you in your innocence

missed the point.there are 200,000,000 people in India that are labeled

" untouchable " by the caste sytem.the people themselves have labed

themselves " oppresse d and outcast " .so do i dear sister.Mother teresa said the

poorest of the poor.Jesus said " blessed are the poor in spirit " another term for

that is simply " drug addict " .

 

i coould get angry and point fingers at the CIA,who has literally helped to

destroy ghetto community's throughout the world by dumping " DRUGS " into the

hood,but instead i will forgive so that my heart does not become that.dear

sister open your heart.that is the only way that you will understnad what AMMAs

sun temba shares with you.thankyou so much.violet is love.

 

Ammachi@ .comvioletdoves@ Tue, 12 Aug 2008

09:33:47 +0000 Re: there are no " Anan drug addict "

accusations! ...only fevered minds who think

 

It has been over a week since I have checked into this group. Again, Ihave been

referred here, and am amazed that I am still being talkedabout non-stop when I

dropped out of the discussion awhile ago.I have respectfully requested that the

defamatory posts be removed.This is an issue of purposely libeling people whose

careers andvolunteer work could be jeopardized by the offending posts. It is

assimple as this, and you have gone even further off track with allsorts of

dreamed up ideas of my intentions. I have simply requestedthat the offending

posts be removed, yet somehow this request hasserved as a catalyst for even more

character assassination. The idea that this request must be an " ego problem " is

a typicalresponse from devotees when they do not agree with something. It is

ashame when spiritual teachings are convoluted in this manner.You continue to

make exaggerated assumptions about my character andintentions that have nothing

to do with the issue at

hand. You alsocontinue to disgrace your own guru and yourselves by behaving in

thisstone-throwing and judgmental manner.As for Temba, you should be embarrassed

by your recent posts. I havelost people to drug addiction, which is why I and my

partner work withthem. I do not consider these suffering souls disgraceful or

" lessthan " in any way. What gives you the right to assume this of me? Ishould

not need to explain to you why accusations of drug addictionare problematic for

those who work with these populations. Nor do Ifeel the need to justify, in

detail, the reasons for my request.The offending posters are continuing to dig a

deeper hole forthemselves, as is the group moderator.

 

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before.

http://clk.atdmt. com/MRT/go/ 108587394/ direct/01/

 

 

[Guest guest]

dear beloved sister,you are so preciuos to this heart and it is so glad to

have you live in it.please feel free to call anytime,24 hours a day seven days a

week.we are family,all linced together by HER thread of love.without HER,none of

us would have each other.OH HOW SWEET HER GRACE IS.OH HOW MERCIFUL HER LOVE

IS.AMMA is now building homes in n.america for the homeless.SHE has shared this

with me out of HER very mouth.SHE asked the wretched being named temba where he

thought we should start building.SHE also told him how much money SHE wants to

spend per home.

AMMAs sun through HER grace is working on this right now.proposals have been

submitted in hearts are so opened in gratitude for AMMAs ALL-ABUNDANT

COMPASSION.all these post just remind temba of HOW much LOVE SHE has for all of

us.welcome home beloved sister.welcome home to the heart of AMMAs

sun.AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,A\

MMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA

 

 

 

Ammachi: vaishnavifantuzzi: Tue, 12 Aug

2008 16:48:37 -0700RE: Re: there are no " Anan drug addict "

accusations!...only fevered minds who think

 

 

 

 

Beloved Temba....I have just got out of a Psyc. Ward after having lost 4 years

of sobriety. I just thought I would check into the group and the 1st email I

checked out was Toms! I was sobbing and shaking in front of my Grandaughter..

To think of being branded for life and to be thought of by society as damaged

goods is heartbreaking. I am coming out of a 20 year marriage, have moved away

from my home in IIllinois, and this family and the Circle of Love have been my

only family. Amma is my Mother. Thank you for your words, I am so glad I

continued reading. My heart can soar evan after being scorched by earthly

fires, my Mother makes me strong and lets me know that I am worthy and have a

place in this world.Whatever merit is acquired by one, through pilgrimmages and

from bathing in the Sacred Waters extending to the seven seas, cannot be equal

to even one thousandth part of the merit derived from partaking the water with

the Guru's Feet are washed. Guru GitaVerses 157, 87 At Her Perfect Lotus

FeetVaishnavi--- On Tue, 8/12/08, temba spirits <tembaspirits

wrote:temba spirits <tembaspiritsRE: Re:

there are no " Anan drug addict " accusations!...only fevered minds who thinkTo:

ammachi: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 12:41 PMdear beloved " on

behalf of violet " ,temba thanks you for your response.dear sister,you are

entitled to your opinion about temba.who i am i to think that i am above being

criticized.thankyou so much for giving me an oppurtuntity to love you even

more.you are my sister.we both breathe the same " BREATH OF LIFE " .AMMA says that

for someone on the spiritual path,'insult and compliment are the same " .your

attacks to my chacracter will only make this heart grow in compassion for you

and others.violet is love...on another note beloved sister.temba is part native

american and african american.he lost at least 40 friends growing to some type

of street madness.it was either through gang violence ,over dose,or drug

wars.you in your innocence missed the point.there are 200,000,000 people in

India that are labeled " untouchable " by the caste sytem.the people themselves

have labed themselves " oppresse d and outcast " .so do i dear sister.Mother teresa

said the poorest of the poor.Jesus said " blessed are the poor in spirit " another

term for that is simply " drug addict " .i coould get angry and point fingers at

the CIA,who has literally helped to destroy ghetto community's throughout the

world by dumping " DRUGS " into the hood,but instead i will forgive so that my

heart does not become that.dear sister open your heart.that is the only way that

you will understnad what AMMAs sun temba shares with you.thankyou so much.violet

is love.Ammachi@ .comvioletdoves@ Tue, 12

Aug 2008 09:33:47 +0000 Re: there are no " Anan drug addict "

accusations! ...only fevered minds who thinkIt has been over a week since I have

checked into this group. Again, Ihave been referred here, and am amazed that I

am still being talkedabout non-stop when I dropped out of the discussion awhile

ago.I have respectfully requested that the defamatory posts be removed.This is

an issue of purposely libeling people whose careers andvolunteer work could be

jeopardized by the offending posts. It is assimple as this, and you have gone

even further off track with allsorts of dreamed up ideas of my intentions. I

have simply requestedthat the offending posts be removed, yet somehow this

request hasserved as a catalyst for even more character assassination. The idea

that this request must be an " ego problem " is a typicalresponse from devotees

when they do not agree with something. It is ashame when spiritual teachings are

convoluted in this manner.You continue to make exaggerated assumptions about my

character andintentions that have nothing to do with the issue athand. You

alsocontinue to disgrace your own guru and yourselves by behaving in

thisstone-throwing and judgmental manner.As for Temba, you should be embarrassed

by your recent posts. I havelost people to drug addiction, which is why I and my

partner work withthem. I do not consider these suffering souls disgraceful or

" lessthan " in any way. What gives you the right to assume this of me? Ishould

not need to explain to you why accusations of drug addictionare problematic for

those who work with these populations. Nor do Ifeel the need to justify, in

detail, the reasons for my request.The offending posters are continuing to dig a

deeper hole forthemselves, as is the group moderator. ____________ _________

_________ _________ _________ _________ _Your PC, mobile phone, and online

services work together like never before.http://clk.atdmt. com/MRT/go/

108587394/ direct/01/[Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

[Guest guest]

here us temba;s # 641-233-8255.anyone can call.we are all family.like it or not.

 

ammachi: tembaspirits: Tue, 12 Aug 2008

19:10:01 -0500RE: Re: there are no " Anan drug addict "

accusations!...only fevered minds who think

 

 

 

 

dear beloved sister,you are so preciuos to this heart and it is so glad to have

you live in it.please feel free to call anytime,24 hours a day seven days a

week.we are family,all linced together by HER thread of love.without HER,none of

us would have each other.OH HOW SWEET HER GRACE IS.OH HOW MERCIFUL HER LOVE

IS.AMMA is now building homes in n.america for the homeless.SHE has shared this

with me out of HER very mouth.SHE asked the wretched being named temba where he

thought we should start building.SHE also told him how much money SHE wants to

spend per home.AMMAs sun through HER grace is working on this right

now.proposals have been submitted in hearts are so opened in gratitude for AMMAs

ALL-ABUNDANT COMPASSION.all these post just remind temba of HOW much LOVE SHE

has for all of us.welcome home beloved sister.welcome home to the heart of AMMAs

sun.AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,A\

MMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMAAmmachi:

vaishnavifantuzzi: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:48:37 -0700RE:

Re: there are no " Anan drug addict " accusations!...only fevered minds

who thinkBeloved Temba....I have just got out of a Psyc. Ward after having lost

4 years of sobriety. I just thought I would check into the group and the 1st

email I checked out was Toms! I was sobbing and shaking in front of my

Grandaughter.. To think of being branded for life and to be thought of by

society as damaged goods is heartbreaking. I am coming out of a 20 year

marriage, have moved away from my home in IIllinois, and this family and the

Circle of Love have been my only family. Amma is my Mother. Thank you for your

words, I am so glad I continued reading. My heart can soar evan after being

scorched by earthly fires, my Mother makes me strong and lets me know that I am

worthy and have a place in this world.Whatever merit is acquired by one, through

pilgrimmages and from bathing in the Sacred Waters extending to the seven seas,

cannot be equal to even one thousandth part of the merit derived from partaking

the water with the Guru's Feet are washed. Guru GitaVerses 157, 87 At Her

Perfect Lotus FeetVaishnavi--- On Tue, 8/12/08, temba spirits

<tembaspirits wrote:temba spirits

<tembaspiritsRE: Re: there are no " Anan drug

addict " accusations!...only fevered minds who thinkTo:

ammachi: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 12:41 PMdear beloved " on

behalf of violet " ,temba thanks you for your response.dear sister,you are

entitled to your opinion about temba.who i am i to think that i am above being

criticized.thankyou so much for giving me an oppurtuntity to love you even

more.you are my sister.we both breathe the same " BREATH OF LIFE " .AMMA says that

for someone on the spiritual path,'insult and compliment are the same " .your

attacks to my chacracter will only make this heart grow in compassion for you

and others.violet is love...on another note beloved sister.temba is part native

american and african american.he lost at least 40 friends growing to some type

of street madness.it was either through gang violence ,over dose,or drug

wars.you in your innocence missed the point.there are 200,000,000 people in

India that are labeled " untouchable " by the caste sytem.the people themselves

have labed themselves " oppresse d and outcast " .so do i dear sister.Mother teresa

said the poorest of the poor.Jesus said " blessed are the poor in spirit " another

term for that is simply " drug addict " .i coould get angry and point fingers at

the CIA,who has literally helped to destroy ghetto community's throughout the

world by dumping " DRUGS " into the hood,but instead i will forgive so that my

heart does not become that.dear sister open your heart.that is the only way that

you will understnad what AMMAs sun temba shares with you.thankyou so much.violet

is love.Ammachi@ .comvioletdoves@ Tue, 12

Aug 2008 09:33:47 +0000 Re: there are no " Anan drug addict "

accusations! ...only fevered minds who thinkIt has been over a week since I have

checked into this group. Again, Ihave been referred here, and am amazed that I

am still being talkedabout non-stop when I dropped out of the discussion awhile

ago.I have respectfully requested that the defamatory posts be removed.This is

an issue of purposely libeling people whose careers andvolunteer work could be

jeopardized by the offending posts. It is assimple as this, and you have gone

even further off track with allsorts of dreamed up ideas of my intentions. I

have simply requestedthat the offending posts be removed, yet somehow this

request hasserved as a catalyst for even more character assassination. The idea

that this request must be an " ego problem " is a typicalresponse from devotees

when they do not agree with something. It is ashame when spiritual teachings are

convoluted in this manner.You continue to make exaggerated assumptions about my

character andintentions that have nothing to do with the issue athand. You

alsocontinue to disgrace your own guru and yourselves by behaving in

thisstone-throwing and judgmental manner.As for Temba, you should be embarrassed

by your recent posts. I havelost people to drug addiction, which is why I and my

partner work withthem. I do not consider these suffering souls disgraceful or

" lessthan " in any way. What gives you the right to assume this of me? Ishould

not need to explain to you why accusations of drug addictionare problematic for

those who work with these populations. Nor do Ifeel the need to justify, in

detail, the reasons for my request.The offending posters are continuing to dig a

deeper hole forthemselves, as is the group moderator. ____________ _________

_________ _________ _________ _________ _Your PC, mobile phone, and online

services work together like never before.http://clk.atdmt. com/MRT/go/

108587394/ direct/01/[Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]