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Yes, Max's comment is very true because I think what I am

describing below is actually my own need for safety.

 

Ammachi , " Mary Ann " <buttercookie61 wrote:

>

> Interesting to see this topic pop up again. Thanks for the further

> clarification. This is again leading me to share my approach to Amma,

> and/or what I get from Amma that is meaningful to / for me.

>

> What I take from Amma is the sense that I am being asked to learn to

> determine matters as I go through life, rather than to have someone,

> whether Amma, or parents, or anyone else, be the authority that I

> resist or follow. I consider that I am being encouraged to allow my

> small self's hand to reach out to the hand of the Self in me and go

> from there.

>

> This is why I am appreciative of the work of Dr. Dan Siegel who

> co-wrote Parenting from the Inside Out. Dr. Siegel's brain research

> shows that brain waves in healthy attachment between parent and child

> flow in the same patterns as brain waves generated by meditation.

> These waves correspond with more equilibrium in the person, more

> resilience, and optimism. His idea of what to call the bringing about

> of this healthy connection between self and Self (how I see it) he

> called developing mindfulness.

>

> Someone pointed out the similarity between the Buddhist teachings and

> meditation practice of mindfulness to Siegel's work, and now,

> unfortunately (in my opinion), those two have united in Siegel's own

> thinking, it seems. I actually prefer to keep the Buddhist

> teachings/practices and the thousands of years behind them apart from

> new discoveries via science because humanity, and where parenting is

> concerned, because I consider that we are now developing emotionally

> beyond where were as a species when Buddhists started teaching

> mindfulness.

>

> To me Amma is providing the missing piece(s) I need so that the Self

> is not a harsh authoritarian, but someone I can reach out to when I

> feel small, someone capable of reaching out in compassion when I act

> small, and also, someone in me who is the Self, whom I can

> embrace/allow to embrace me.

>

> Now I am certain if others have responses to all of this, I might feel

> a bit of knocking and pinging :) But this is just where I am coming

> from on my journey in life, and with Amma.

>

> I welcome others' sharing, and hope that my offering is not felt as my

> treading on anyone else's very special view of, or relationship to or

> with Amma, or spirituality in general. If I feel knocking and pinging

> inside, I will practice courage to be with those feelings :)

>

>

>

> Ammachi , Max Dashu <maxdashu@> wrote:

> >

> > I guess if safety is the person's paramount concern, then Amma is not

> > going to push them in that way.

> >

> > I posted not out of feeling protective but based on my own experience

> > of hard rocks, of which there have been plenty. I thought it might be

> > helpful to others...

> >

> > Max

> >

> > >Well, I was talking about people in general in response to someone's

> > >post about hard rocks, and the comment that some people are not open

> > >and never will be, something like that. I guess

utilizing/revealing my

> > >own life experience, self-knowledge, and awareness of process

subjects

> > >me to what are " hard rocks " for me, such as someone disagreeing with

> > >my understanding of simply being, which is how I read your post. Did

> > >you post out of feeling protective of Amma's methods in response to

> > >what I wrote?

> > >

> > ><Ammachi%40>Ammachi ,

> > >Max Dashu <maxdashu@> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Nobody enjoys the hard rocks treatment but i have to disagree with

> > >the below.

> > >>

> > >> Amma doesn't apply these hard experiences except to push us to

> needed

> > >> changes which otherwise are resisted with might and main. She

isn't

> > >> forcing the bud to open, but busting a dead weight off the

plant so

> > >> it can flower. And she knows what she is doing, and when not to...

> > >> She is of course compassionate but also teaches

> tyaga/renunciation. I

> > >> see this as leading to that.

> > >>

> > >> Max

> > >>

> > >> >I know that such treatment would not actually help me learn.

If you

> > >> >have read any books

> > >> >on how children learn, they need to feel safe with others, and in

> > >> >their environments. Such

> > >> >safety is NOT something we all are fortunate enough to grow up

> with,

> > >> >and instead we

> > >> >become conditioned to shutting down rather than taking in. Until

> > >> >that safety is established

> > >> >and the child/adult can begin to relax and experience the

parent as

> > >> >genuinely loving,

> > >> >deeper learning cannot take place. Without this bridge, " hard

> rocks "

> > >> >are just more abuse.

> > >> >To automatically assume " hard rocks " are a better way to convey

> > >> >lessons, or that those

> > >> >who need gentleness " can't take it " is misguided. (How is Amma's

> > >> >message of love and

> > >> >compassion something someone cannot take?)

> > >> >

> > >> >Amma waits patiently outside the door, she does not push the door

> > >> >open; life does not

> > >> >force a bud to open.

> > >>

> > >> --

> > >> Max Dashu

> > >> Suppressed Histories Archives

> > >>

> <http://www.suppressedhistories.net>http://www.suppressedhistories.net

> > >>

> > >> New: Women's Power DVD

> > >>

> >

>

>><http://www.suppressedhistories.net/womenspowerdvd.html>http://www.suppressedh\

istories.net/womenspowerdvd.html

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Max Dashu

> > Suppressed Histories Archives

> > http://www.suppressedhistories.net

> >

> > New: Women's Power DVD

> > http://www.suppressedhistories.net/womenspowerdvd.html

> >

> >

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