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These are some selected excerpts from it (not Big Swami's words, but

added by people along the chain), with names and email addy's removed

for privacy.

 

Attached to the email was a photo of Balaji, an incarnation/form of

Vishnu(?) which is one red flag, since you'd think it would be a Devi

form. There was no distinguishable message from Big Swami in the

email that I could tell, other than referencing the 'rare' photo.

 

When responding to this, please cut-and-paste only the relevant text,

it's a bit long.

 

tom

 

--

A loving embrace to all of you. Maybe this is just another hoax, but I

went to get Sri Balaji's darshan 4 times by now and can asure you, the

idol as such has a lot of shakti. Well, we'll see.

 

--

Do not usually forward these, but Swami Amritwarupananda, Amma's Swami

sent this(see below), so must be some value to viewing the photo.

 

What to do? Send on to 7 persons. Enjoy the photo. May Amma's Grace

shower us all.

 

--

Namah Shivaya.....When I read that Big Swamiji was one of the

participants in this chain, I figured....well....yes...do it. Also

when you see such a sacred photo, you can only have respect.

 

--

Really, I don't usually send FWDs, however, Look at the end, at the

photo from India.

FW: Tirupati Balaji Rare Photo : DO NOT BREAK THE CHAIN

 

--

As a rule I do not participate in chain emails, but I could not

refrain from sending this auspicious sacred photo from India. The idea

is to send it to 7 people. Swami Amritaswarupananda was one of the

participants a few levels back.

 

--

You were all selected because you all are good-natured and I hope

you won't be TOO upset by my forwarding this. Please forgive my

superstitious nature. If you scroll way down to the bottom, you'll

notice that Big Swami forwarded this.....to exactly 7 people. I

really hate this type of email, but what to do?!!

 

--

This mail has been sent to you for Good Luck. Pass it on to 7

persons or 21 persons as per your wish and you will receive Good News

within 24 hours! DO NOT BREAK THE CHAIN OR YOU WILL BE HOUNDED BY BAD

LUCK.

 

 

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> Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull@> wrote:

>

> > For Big Swami to send out a chain email (the Balaji one) is 110%

> > inappropriate and Amma should take punitive measures to teach him a

> > lesson. The 10% extra is for being a senior disciple whom people will

> > follow as an example.

> >

> Namah Shivaya Tom,

> I haven't seen the " Balaji Chain email " you are talking about. Was

> that forwared to this list recently? If so I missed it. Where can I

> find it?

> thanks

> Gopinath

>

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Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote:

>

> These are some selected excerpts from it (not Big Swami's words, but

> added by people along the chain), with names and email addy's removed

> for privacy.

>

> Attached to the email was a photo of Balaji, an incarnation/form of

> Vishnu(?) which is one red flag, since you'd think it would be a Devi

> form. There was no distinguishable message from Big Swami in the

> email that I could tell, other than referencing the 'rare' photo.

>

> When responding to this, please cut-and-paste only the relevant text,

> it's a bit long.

>

> tom

 

I have seen that chain-mail years ago from various friends. That mail

is going around the world for a LOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGG TIME now

.....

 

I still have not see an email from Swami sending it out, but since I

know it did not originate from him and he is merely playing " pass the

parcel " I am not too concerned about it.

 

The chain mail was for BALAJI ... so why would it have a DEVI form?

 

And why would it be a " red flag " ?

 

Are you so conscious of the sex of the gods? i wonder why....

splitting between Vishnu and Devi sounds weird to me .... examine your

own ideas of divinity.

 

Jai Ma!

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The excerpts show that people ordinarily reluctant to forward chain

mails, did so because of the appearance of his participation and/or

origination.

 

Isn't Big Swami a devotee of Devi? Contrary to popular belief among

devotees, Sakta philosophy is not shared by Vaishnavas, Shaivites,

etc. Just because Amma had devotion to Krishna, doesn't mean she's in

line with traditional Vaishnavism, and that tradition should be

respected. As is your right to, just like saying Amma is Christ, etc,

you should respect Christians who believe otherwise and not

necessarily see them as ignorant (ie, looking down on them).

 

Red flag as in 'hoax' evidence. A Bhakti Yogi would have a preferred

form. Even devotion to a formless God would need to have some sort

of singular focus, Amma has implied this to me personally, that you'd

need a singular focus for murthi reasons.

 

tom

 

Ammachi , " manoj_menon " <manoj_menon wrote:

 

> The chain mail was for BALAJI ... so why would it have a DEVI form?

>

> And why would it be a " red flag " ?

>

> Are you so conscious of the sex of the gods? i wonder why....

> splitting between Vishnu and Devi sounds weird to me .... examine your

> own ideas of divinity.

>

> Jai Ma!

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I can't speak for Big Swami, but my understanding of Amma is that She

is ALL in ALL.

 

Did she not manifest Krishna Bhava earlier? Is she not Krishna? Is

Krishna not She?

 

From what I have heard (not confirmeD), Big Swami is a BIG Krishna

devotee.... that he sees Amma as Krishna... I have heard it said that

most senior Swamis share that outlook too.

 

Also, contrary to what you perceive, my perception is that Amma's org

is DEFINITELY not SAKTA, even though the DIVINE MOTHER is so strongly

present.

 

Because of the healthy ammalgamation of all deities (Devi, Krishna,

Shiva, Ganesha etc), I would classify Amma's org as SMARTHA.

 

But AMMA is AMMA ... unique in many senses from other established paths.

1. She gives lenient mantra initiation. (big no-no in traditional

SAKTA paths).

2. She allows every one to chant Lalita Sahasranama (I was about to

write LS!). Sakta path requires strict initiation into Sri Vidya

before this and other Devi chants (including Devi Mahatmyam) are taken up.

3. Much of elaborate formal worship is traded for expanding the

feeling in the heart (this is largely true for householders although

each one is free to include more as is his inclination; ALSO, this

could be different for the disciples in the ashram though)

 

With Amma, one truly senses the changes after several years of

association ... subtle underlying sense of happiness in all situations.

 

Ultimately, Amma is about Vedanta .. She is beyond form and asking us

to come there through any form.

 

For Big Swami to send a mail with a BALAJI photo is his choice - maybe

choice of the moment as appropriate for that mail; it is not

sacrilegious, I think.

 

Jai Ma!

 

 

Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote:

>

> The excerpts show that people ordinarily reluctant to forward chain

> mails, did so because of the appearance of his participation and/or

> origination.

>

> Isn't Big Swami a devotee of Devi? Contrary to popular belief among

> devotees, Sakta philosophy is not shared by Vaishnavas, Shaivites,

> etc. Just because Amma had devotion to Krishna, doesn't mean she's in

> line with traditional Vaishnavism, and that tradition should be

> respected. As is your right to, just like saying Amma is Christ, etc,

> you should respect Christians who believe otherwise and not

> necessarily see them as ignorant (ie, looking down on them).

>

> Red flag as in 'hoax' evidence. A Bhakti Yogi would have a preferred

> form. Even devotion to a formless God would need to have some sort

> of singular focus, Amma has implied this to me personally, that you'd

> need a singular focus for murthi reasons.

>

> tom

>

> Ammachi , " manoj_menon " <manoj_menon@> wrote:

>

> > The chain mail was for BALAJI ... so why would it have a DEVI form?

> >

> > And why would it be a " red flag " ?

> >

> > Are you so conscious of the sex of the gods? i wonder why....

> > splitting between Vishnu and Devi sounds weird to me .... examine your

> > own ideas of divinity.

> >

> > Jai Ma!

>

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A Letter to Tom

 

Namaste

 

I hope you can hear the voice spoken from my heart. I do not understand

the ongoing condemnation of Swamiji? It is obvious from your writing you have

spent much time acquiring knowledge about Hinduism. I have learned a few

things from just reading and have learned some information i was not aware

before, thank you. But overall i have a hard time hearing you because of how

you

express yourself in relationship. I do not have the desire to accuse or

match your energy, nor i can i see how your style is helping you? In my world

respect is a Big Word and believe it is an adult word.

 

I would like to share a story with you to ask you to consider a different

level of this discussion.

 

" When i was in pre-school, i had a Choctaw/Cherokee Grandfather that taught

me that i only needed to count to 3. He would practice me, by taking my

hands and pointing skyward and say, " One is for Thou " , " Two is for me " as he

pointed to my heart, and " Three is for All " as he circled our arms in a

circle. Really simple yet not so simple stuff.

 

I entered first grade and had a first grade teacher that would line the kids

up in the front of the class and for each day they could not count to 100

she would give then an additional whop with the paddle. I had it in my head

that i only needed to count to 3, and ended up getting whopped for many days. I

did eventually learn to count to 100, and have a graduate degree, with a few

hours lacking from a Phd. But i walked away from finishing that degree

because i knew i needed to return to the basics of learning to count to 3.

 

I relate this story to you, because one of the ways of looking at this is

through the lens not of blame, shame, and content, but rather relationship. Is

is possible that Amma (Divine Mother's message is one of just trying to

teach her children to count to 3?)

You express knowledge of Sakta, Smartha, Sri Vidya, Vaishnavism but what are

they without right relationship?

 

Is it possible to view Swamiji's email as making a very solid point as a

teaching on the number ONE? How are we to be in right relationship with the

Divine? How do we show honor to Amma? To the teaching that Amma holds sacred?

Is it possible that we are not nearly as advanced as we believe? We live in

global world and high tech we do have access to information, but i do not

believe we are practicing the basics as shown by the content of these messages

back and forth. Here in America we have built our National identity on free

speech, and sometimes that declaration can be the open door to revealing what

so many in other nations call the " UGLY AMERICAN " . So Tom is it possible

that free speech without the grounding in counting to three (right

relationship)

is not pretty or spiritually honoring of Amma, Self or others.

 

I do not know where Swamiji is in his spiritual development, but is it

possible that Amma has him practicing (3) in trying to teach us (1)? Maybe he

is

not perfect(?), but from what i can see he has 1 and 2 down and is well on

the way of 3.

 

I think we all can learn to count to three. After i finished college, i

found my self back home and in the local grocery store. Guess, who came

walking

up to me? Mrs. Mears my first grade teacher. She apologized and told me

she was sorry for how she had taught her class and how she had whopped us. She

said she did not teach that way any more. It took her a while, but she had

learned to count to three. Tom, my final thought is; i do not think Amma,

Swamiji, or any other true teacher is going to reveal the in depth spiritual

teachings until a devotee masters the basic of 1-2-3. So if Swamiji is not

showing you his stuff, perhaps it is because we cannot learn the first number,

of honoring the One.

 

Peace be with you, and may we get to three real soon.

 

Be Blessed

marci

 

 

 

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