Speaking kindly of our brothers

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Om Namah Shivaya, Shiva ettan,

 

Is it in line with Amma's teachings that we should take it upon ourselves to

tell others that we think they are wrong and overrated?

In fact, Tom has met with no shortage of hostility and condemnation in this

group in the past. Then what has it accomplished, if after receiving all

this hostility he only continues to believe and say these things about Amma

and the swamis and Her devotees? Has anyone's heart been opened? Has

anyone come closer to Amma, or to true understanding of their own Self?

 

There is no question in my mind that our brother Tom means well in his own

way - if you look through the archives, you will see examples of him trying

to help and serve others by providing videos or virtual satsangs.

 

It's an understatement to say that I don't like the things he has to say

about Amma's children, whether they wear orange or yellow or white or any

color they want. I know how painful it is for you to read such statements.

But just as we feel it is disrespectful to Amma to speak rudely about Her

swamis or other devotees, it is also disrespectful to Amma to speak rudely

of Her son Tom, whom I have no doubt She loves.

 

Before we make accusations of backstabbing or otherwise question their

motivation, before we say that someone should, in essence, shut up and go

away, would not Amma want us to look into our own selves and witness our own

ego reactions? Would She not want us to get past our senses of difference

and simply be compassionate? She has said that anger is like an infected

wound, and that we should not poke at it or press it.

 

Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu!

 

Jai Ma,

Pranada

 

 

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Shiva Kumar <amritavahini

wrote:

 

> Om Namaha Shivaya

>

> Its time somebody told Tom that he himself is over rated ( Please note, it

> is only him who thinks he is important , I hardly see anybody acknowledging

> it). I dunno what he presumes himself to be. But he does need to pull

> himself down from the high pedestal he has put himself on. Really, to speak

> of lack of understanding of people's problems, is it possible that Big

> Swami, as a person who co-ordinates all humanitarian activities, who has

> read letters out to Amma, who translates people's woes when they come for

> darshan, does not know what people go through? And what really has Tom

> understood that Big Swami has not ? Just by watching the news and keeping

> connected with the world, Tom assumes he has done a great service to the

> entire of mankind. Has he bothered to think in what way he himself has

> alleviated people's suffering? And then he gives himself all these airs.

>

> One thing as I keep insisting, using such language only demonstrates your

> own lack of refinement.

>

> Om Amriteshwaryai Nmaha

>

> Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Go to

> http://in.promos./groups/bestof/

>

>

 

 

 

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Ammachi: daughterpranada: Fri, 25 Apr 2008

06:27:17 -0400Re: Speaking kindly of our brothers

 

 

 

 

Om Namah Shivaya, Shiva ettan,Is it in line with Amma's teachings that we should

take it upon ourselves totell others that we think they are wrong and

overrated?In fact, Tom has met with no shortage of hostility and condemnation in

thisgroup in the past. Then what has it accomplished, if after receiving allthis

hostility he only continues to believe and say these things about Ammaand the

swamis and Her devotees? Has anyone's heart been opened? Hasanyone come closer

to Amma, or to true understanding of their own Self?There is no question in my

mind that our brother Tom means well in his ownway - if you look through the

archives, you will see examples of him tryingto help and serve others by

providing videos or virtual satsangs.It's an understatement to say that I don't

like the things he has to sayabout Amma's children, whether they wear orange or

yellow or white or anycolor they want. I know how painful it is for you to read

such statements.But just as we feel it is disrespectful to Amma to speak rudely

about Herswamis or other devotees, it is also disrespectful to Amma to speak

rudelyof Her son Tom, whom I have no doubt She loves.Before we make accusations

of backstabbing or otherwise question theirmotivation, before we say that

someone should, in essence, shut up and goaway, would not Amma want us to look

into our own selves and witness our ownego reactions? Would She not want us to

get past our senses of differenceand simply be compassionate? She has said that

anger is like an infectedwound, and that we should not poke at it or press

it.Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu!Jai Ma,PranadaOn Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:11

PM, Shiva Kumar <amritavahiniwrote:> Om Namaha Shivaya>> Its time

somebody told Tom that he himself is over rated ( Please note, it> is only him

who thinks he is important , I hardly see anybody acknowledging> it). I dunno

what he presumes himself to be. But he does need to pull> himself down from the

high pedestal he has put himself on. Really, to speak> of lack of understanding

of people's problems, is it possible that Big> Swami, as a person who

co-ordinates all humanitarian activities, who has> read letters out to Amma, who

translates people's woes when they come for> darshan, does not know what people

go through? And what really has Tom> understood that Big Swami has not ? Just by

watching the news and keeping> connected with the world, Tom assumes he has done

a great service to the> entire of mankind. Has he bothered to think in what way

he himself has> alleviated people's suffering? And then he gives himself all

these airs.>> One thing as I keep insisting, using such language only

demonstrates your> own lack of refinement.>> Om Amriteshwaryai Nmaha>> Meet

people who discuss and share your passions. Go to>

http://in.promos./groups/bestof/> >[Non-text portions of this

message have been removed]

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha

 

Namaste to each group member.

 

Tom when i responded to you, it was to express my own " egoic " reactions to

the unkind words you spoke of Swamiji. When i read Swamiji's email, i found

it to be an appropriate reminder that was delivered with a bit of humor. I

just wanted to communicate that when it comes to Swamiji and the servants to

the Servant, " they aren't heavy, they are our brothers " . And you too!. And

to be honest i am one that did not know what the initials ONS stood for. I

am very low tech.

 

This holiday season i watched all three Lord of the Ring movies. I kept

putting the characters as representing parts of the spiritual journey. I saw

my

ego in Gallum.

Then a couple of weeks ago i read this; The Joy of Snow, by Elizabeth

Goudge

 

" We - cannot - understand - not yet - but - we can see how the more we

lose our sense of separateness in the knowledge of the oneness of all living

creatures, millions of small leaves on the single tree of life, the more we

shall lose our sense of self-importance, and so be liberated from our self-pity,

a bondage so horrible that I believe it can only bring us to a state not

unlike that of Gallum, the dreadful creature Tolkein created, living alone in

the

dark, talking to himself, murmuring, " My precious, My Precious " . ( Me, Mine,

Myself ) ( Even Amma can be turned into Gallum's quest for the ring)

 

" But if that 'my precious' were to be the song of the leaves on the tree,

each leaf delighting in all the others, there could be no love of self, no

hatred and no sin, and one of the suffering that springs from sin. And since a

tree has no voice, but the wind, and the leaves know it, they would soon know

who it was who was singing their song with them and through them, and lifting

and swinging them in the dance. If we can find a little of our oneness with

all other creatures, and love for them, then I believe we are half-way

towards finding God. "

 

 

Another thing i find with email messaging is how easy it is for messages to

become distorted because so much of the subtle nuances are lost. I hope you

can read this correspondence with a slow, soft, Texas draw from the heart.

We are truly blessed to have Amma as our teacher for we are all learning what

it is to be in right relationship with others and to be a blessing to others

as we journey on.

 

As it has been said, " the only thing worst than having to say, i blew it,

is to have to say it again " .

 

May all be blessed

marci

 

 

 

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