Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 OM NAMAH SIVAYA maybe what this person meant was not necessarily to figure out who Amma is but that Amma is to you who you want Her to be to you. and for this we must know who we are. scriptures have many levels of meaning and depths of understanding, but the goal is to incorporate them into our being so we live them. Amma is a real life example of living the scriptures, living in Love. God is Love. Ramakrishna said God, Guru, Self are One. i think what Amma's example shows people is that Love is God, Love is Guru, and Love is Self. Love is The One. JAI MA Ammachi , " Narendra Kulkarni " <nkulki wrote: > > Well thank you for your response. I do agree with your point that ultimately > only I can figure out who Amma is. Even if someone else tells me who Amma > is, I still won't understand. Yesterday night at the Boston retreat someone > asked Amma about Krishna marrying 16,108 wives. In response to this question > Amma said that Krishna never married a single girl. Apparently Krishna was a > Brahmachari. The swamiji then quoted a story how when Maharaja Parikchit was > born, he was born lifeless. Then Krishna went up to the boy and said that if > its true that I have followed the vows of brahmacharya truthfully then let > this boy come back to life. And of course the boy came back to life. So this > story was used to prove that Krishna never got married to any woman. > Secondly Amma also said that Bhagavatham is not a true book and it's a mere > story. She said that only Bhagvad Gita is true and in that also its > mentioned that Krishna is a brahmachari. Anyone present at the retreat > yesterday night can verify this story. I wasn't there, but my mom was > present. Also my mom somewhat understands Malayalam, so shes pretty sure > that this is what Amma said and not some mistake made by the swamiji in > translation. > > > > Upon hearing this I find it extremely disturbing. I would like to hear the > opinion of other senior members on this forum. > > > > Secondly I asked my mom to find out who is Amma's guru and what are the > guiding principle's of the organization. Apparently my mom found out that > Amma has no guru. I cannot believe this to be true. Even Lord Krishna had a > Guru. My mom also found out that guiding principles are simply the words of > Amma. My mom specifically asked which scripture was followed/recommended. > Again the answer was no scripture is being followed. The guiding principle > is that of universal love. I of course agree that love is the single most > important thing in this universe. However, there is a very good reason why > we have scriptures. I think just as guru is important to make progress so is > the knowledge of the scriptures like Gita and Bhagavatham. As we slowly > understand these scriptures from a proper guru, it automatically purifies > our hearts. That's the value of the scriptures. > > > > When the whole organization is based off just one person, then it slowly > starts degrading into a cult. As I try to understand more about Amma and her > teachings, this leads me to more questions than answers. > > > > -Narendra > > > > > > Ammachi [Ammachi ] On Behalf Of > mahadevanv > Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:17 PM > Ammachi > Re: A sincere question > > > > Om Namah Shivaya! > > You asked a question and your question indicates > your keenness to know more about Amma and your self. > > The answer to your question who is Amma is " Who > you feel Amma is for you " . Your internal experience is > more important for you than what someone else tells > about Amma. > > Same is the case of everyone. Each individual is > free to feel who Amma is. He or she can feel Amma is > father, mother, Guru, friend or God and can feel > blessed on that. You also see unconditional love in > Amma and that is what God is. So you are also seeing > God in Amma. No doubt people worship Amma as they see > Devi in Amma. Again remember Kabir telling Guru is > bigger than God. > > Also confusion is the gateway for knowledge. Just > find how you feel and what you learn from that. Your > internal experience only counts for you and you are > your best friend. > > Cheers, > > Mahadevan Venkitaraman > > --- Narendra Kulkarni <nkulki <nkulki%40hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I have been taking Amma's darshan on and off for > > the last 15 years now! In > > the beginning I only went because my mom dragged me > > to the Ashram. But over > > the last few years I have started taking my own > > spiritual practices very > > seriously. I have now reached a stage where I am > > convinced that I need a > > guru. And it is for this reason that I am writing in > > this forum. > > > > I have no doubt that Amma is a great soul. I > > cannot even begin to > > understand Amma's greatness. But having said this, > > there are a few things > > that bother me and I would like to have > > clarification from the senior > > devotees on this forum. > > > > I have no issues in worshipping Amma as a sad-guru. > > But where I have an > > issue is with worshipping Amma as a bhagavan. It's > > pretty clear when one > > goes to any of the center's that the whole > > organization is based on Amma as > > the center. I kinda feel that even if Amma is a > > avatara still the whole > > organization should be based on Krishna or Devi as > > the center. I find it > > very disturbing when I see people worshipping her, > > singing bhagan's about > > amma, doing the pada puja etc as if she were Devi > > incarnate. > > > > But having said all this, I can also see the miracle > > and the unconditional > > love that is Amma. I cannot even fathom what Amma > > must be like to hug > > millions of people, and listen to their problems and > > help people for no > > personal reason. Its quite mind boggling. So in the > > end I get really > > confused. > > > > > > > > Can someone try to explain to me who is Amma? > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > -Narendra > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > ________ > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/mail/index.php > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 One last question for you guys. Its pretty obvious to me that I will never figure out my questions writing stuff on this forum. I will need to talk directly to some senior devotees to clarify my doubts. I live in Seattle. Is there any way I can meet up with some devotees in this area? Ammachi [Ammachi ] On Behalf Of ecjensen_us Wednesday, July 18, 2007 12:11 PM Ammachi Re: A sincere question -Narendra OM NAMAH SIVAYA maybe what this person meant was not necessarily to figure out who Amma is but that Amma is to you who you want Her to be to you. and for this we must know who we are. scriptures have many levels of meaning and depths of understanding, but the goal is to incorporate them into our being so we live them. Amma is a real life example of living the scriptures, living in Love. God is Love. Ramakrishna said God, Guru, Self are One. i think what Amma's example shows people is that Love is God, Love is Guru, and Love is Self. Love is The One. JAI MA Ammachi <Ammachi%40> , " Narendra Kulkarni " <nkulki wrote: > > Well thank you for your response. I do agree with your point that ultimately > only I can figure out who Amma is. Even if someone else tells me who Amma > is, I still won't understand. Yesterday night at the Boston retreat someone > asked Amma about Krishna marrying 16,108 wives. In response to this question > Amma said that Krishna never married a single girl. Apparently Krishna was a > Brahmachari. The swamiji then quoted a story how when Maharaja Parikchit was > born, he was born lifeless. Then Krishna went up to the boy and said that if > its true that I have followed the vows of brahmacharya truthfully then let > this boy come back to life. And of course the boy came back to life. So this > story was used to prove that Krishna never got married to any woman. > Secondly Amma also said that Bhagavatham is not a true book and it's a mere > story. She said that only Bhagvad Gita is true and in that also its > mentioned that Krishna is a brahmachari. Anyone present at the retreat > yesterday night can verify this story. I wasn't there, but my mom was > present. Also my mom somewhat understands Malayalam, so shes pretty sure > that this is what Amma said and not some mistake made by the swamiji in > translation. > > > > Upon hearing this I find it extremely disturbing. I would like to hear the > opinion of other senior members on this forum. > > > > Secondly I asked my mom to find out who is Amma's guru and what are the > guiding principle's of the organization. Apparently my mom found out that > Amma has no guru. I cannot believe this to be true. Even Lord Krishna had a > Guru. My mom also found out that guiding principles are simply the words of > Amma. My mom specifically asked which scripture was followed/recommended. > Again the answer was no scripture is being followed. The guiding principle > is that of universal love. I of course agree that love is the single most > important thing in this universe. However, there is a very good reason why > we have scriptures. I think just as guru is important to make progress so is > the knowledge of the scriptures like Gita and Bhagavatham. As we slowly > understand these scriptures from a proper guru, it automatically purifies > our hearts. That's the value of the scriptures. > > > > When the whole organization is based off just one person, then it slowly > starts degrading into a cult. As I try to understand more about Amma and her > teachings, this leads me to more questions than answers. > > > > -Narendra > > > > > > Ammachi <Ammachi%40> [Ammachi <Ammachi%40> ] On Behalf Of > mahadevanv > Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:17 PM > Ammachi <Ammachi%40> > Re: A sincere question > > > > Om Namah Shivaya! > > You asked a question and your question indicates > your keenness to know more about Amma and your self. > > The answer to your question who is Amma is " Who > you feel Amma is for you " . Your internal experience is > more important for you than what someone else tells > about Amma. > > Same is the case of everyone. Each individual is > free to feel who Amma is. He or she can feel Amma is > father, mother, Guru, friend or God and can feel > blessed on that. You also see unconditional love in > Amma and that is what God is. So you are also seeing > God in Amma. No doubt people worship Amma as they see > Devi in Amma. Again remember Kabir telling Guru is > bigger than God. > > Also confusion is the gateway for knowledge. Just > find how you feel and what you learn from that. Your > internal experience only counts for you and you are > your best friend. > > Cheers, > > Mahadevan Venkitaraman > > --- Narendra Kulkarni <nkulki <nkulki%40hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I have been taking Amma's darshan on and off for > > the last 15 years now! In > > the beginning I only went because my mom dragged me > > to the Ashram. But over > > the last few years I have started taking my own > > spiritual practices very > > seriously. I have now reached a stage where I am > > convinced that I need a > > guru. And it is for this reason that I am writing in > > this forum. > > > > I have no doubt that Amma is a great soul. I > > cannot even begin to > > understand Amma's greatness. But having said this, > > there are a few things > > that bother me and I would like to have > > clarification from the senior > > devotees on this forum. > > > > I have no issues in worshipping Amma as a sad-guru. > > But where I have an > > issue is with worshipping Amma as a bhagavan. It's > > pretty clear when one > > goes to any of the center's that the whole > > organization is based on Amma as > > the center. I kinda feel that even if Amma is a > > avatara still the whole > > organization should be based on Krishna or Devi as > > the center. I find it > > very disturbing when I see people worshipping her, > > singing bhagan's about > > amma, doing the pada puja etc as if she were Devi > > incarnate. > > > > But having said all this, I can also see the miracle > > and the unconditional > > love that is Amma. I cannot even fathom what Amma > > must be like to hug > > millions of people, and listen to their problems and > > help people for no > > personal reason. Its quite mind boggling. So in the > > end I get really > > confused. > > > > > > > > Can someone try to explain to me who is Amma? > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > -Narendra > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > ________ > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/mail/index.php > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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