Guest guest Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 dear beloved sister,this is quot is what HER grace pulled into my spirit when tmba read your most precious words. " Rama,Krishna,and Jesus were all-powerful, all-pervading,and all-knowing.When you say that Krinna killed,you are forgetting that , He also gave life.Do you recall how He brought Arjuna's grandson back to life? The child was born dead,but Krisna gave the child life.It was the same Krisna who bestowed the ultimate fulfillment of human birth,emancipation,on the hunter whose arrow killed Krisna's body.It is said that the people who were killed by HIM were all freed eternally from the cycle of birth and death. " " When you kill or destroy someone or something,you only lengthen the chain of your own karma. It is your destructive mind-your anger,hatred,selfishness or greed-that causes you to do such things. The anger or greed or selfishness in you persuades you to do evil,and that action adds to your existing anger,greed and selfishness.It blows more air into the ballloon of your ego,and you become more puffed up.Each time you act selfishly or angrily or greedily you are taking one more holiday,one more day of leave,from the state of perfection,from your eternal freedom. " " If you do not care how many births you take or how much you will have to suffer,that is your choice.But you are harming other people.Not only by injuring or killing someone,but BY JUST FEELING ANGRY,JUST BY ACTING GREEDILY OR SELFISHLY TOWARDS OTHERS,YOU ARE TRIGGERING THE SAME NEGATIVE FEELINGS IN THEM.your negative feelings will invoke the same negative feeliings as well.They to will suffer thereby adding to the storehouse of their karma,and will be born again with additional vasanas that have been accumulated.Thus through your anger or selfishness,you have lengthened the chain of someone else's karma.You are responsible,since it happens due to your anger and greed.This is th ekind of destruction that you do. " AMMA pg.172 Awaken children volume 6. " LIFE WILL 'BEAT YOU UP' UNTIL YOU LEARN YOUR LESSONS " AMMA pg.175 vloume 6. " Prostration is a symbol of selfless surrender.The physical prostration becomes meaningful only when you surrender your ego at the feet of the GURU or GOD..When you prostrate,you are inviting the GURU or GOD to trample your ego.The GURU or GOD will not do that to an ordinary devotee,but they will do it' RUTHLESSLY' to a true seeker. " AMMA pg.214 volume six. there is more dear sister. > " Mary Ann " <buttercookie61 >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: Loving people who " do evil... " >Mon, 28 May 2007 02:58:51 -0000 > >Thank you for sharing that, Temba. I appreciate the window into your >world, and invite you to share more specifically if you would care to. > >As I posted what you replied to, I was recalling recently a Christian >friend becoming upset with my mentioning the poor grammar and violence >in the phrase: " The wages of sin is death, " a quote from the Bible. My >friend was offended by my criticism when I interpreted that phrase to >be using fear to control rather than love to guide. > >About punches, being on the receiving end, maybe not ducking in time, >or reflexively punching back, or even throwing the first punch in >reaction to something that seemed like a threat...I thought of the >stories of Jesus overturning the tables in the temple. Also, Jesus >withering the fig tree because it was not producing fruit when he >hungered. > >Are there any stories of Amma losing her temper, speaking harshly, >and/or acting in ways that others have said are not spiritual, >enlightened or evolved? I would feel heartened to read accounts in >which Amma herself has struggled with emotions. > >I have read Amma's own seeming defenses of gurus whose behavior or >words seemed harsh. Amma said that was because the observers did not >understand what the guru was intending, or where his words were coming >from, and Amma urges us not to judge, but to see the good in others. >Yet it is difficult when our own harshness arrives on the scene. > >Recently I received difficult to hear feedback in my training in >Nonviolent Communication - I'm not ready for certification yet, >basically, and in fact, despite over a year of training, I've truly >only just begun, and that became quite clear to me recently as I have >been under stress of change -- willing changes made in employment, but >stressful nonetheless, and finding myself reacting more and thinking >less before speaking > > >Ammachi , " temba spirits " <tembaspirits wrote: > > > > thankyou for sharing this dear sibling.this is what came to your >brother > > after he contemplated what your shared.LIFE can punch us in the face >in many > > ways.we can be punched emotionally,physically and even spiritually.we > > probally all can relate to this. > > > > it is important to duck when the puch of life is thrown at us and it is > > equally important to not throw any punches ourselves.if we are >punched by > > LIFE it is important to forgive and not return the punch. > > > > that has been a great challenge for AMMAs sun.it seems that those >punches of > > LIFE have become this childs greatest teachers.they have taught >temba to > > sympathize with how it feels and to have compassion for those that feel > > overwelmed by the punch of life. > > > > it is true that we should raise our awareness and practice as much > > shrada(alertness) as possible ,but we should also do our best to remain > > aware in how AMMA is teaching us and guiding us through the vehicle >of the > > inevitable PUNCH of LIFE..tmba prays that AMMA is pleased with what >he has > > shared. > > > > > > > > > > > " Mary Ann " <buttercookie61 > > >Ammachi > > >Ammachi > > > Re: Loving people who " do evil... " > > >Mon, 28 May 2007 00:59:07 -0000 > > > > > >Dear Iswari, > > > > > >This is an interesting question and good point to bring up. > > > > > >A reason why Amma inspires me so much is that I don't experience her > > >message of love and compassion as advocating the traditional way of > > >loving at the expense of the self. In a talk at one of her Los Angeles > > >appearances a few years ago, Amma recommended we be aware of to whom > > >we are speaking, otherwise possibly we might receive a punch in the > > >mouth! This was stated humorously, but was apt in terms of recognizing > > >the limits or mindset of those we encounter, being mindful, and taking > > >care. > > > > > >I posted this at AmmaBhakti but it seems apt to this thread so I will > > >post it here, too: > > > > > >In Faith (the book), Sharon Salzberg talks about a spiritual teacher > > >of hers who walked with his students into the marketplace > > >and stood bargaining with vendors. One of the students > > >questioned whether that was a very spiritual way to be, > > >bargaining with vendors in the marketplace. The teacher > > >answered: " Living a simple life does not mean being a > > >simpleton. " > > > > > > > > >Ammachi , " ammasiswari " <ammasiswari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mary, I've been thinking a lot about this lately. Through work with > > >my patients, I've had > > > > some practice loving people who have done some pretty heinous evil > > >(e.g., murder, rape, > > > > sexual abuse of children). What trips me up, though, is how (or > > >whether it's even wise) to > > > > relate in a loving way to psychopathic individuals, who not only > > >lack the ability to > > > > empathize with others, but use and twist others' empathy for them > > >and attempts to help > > > > them into furthering their own evil/harmful desires (there is some > > >truth to the adage that > > > > trying to help a psychopath just helps create a better psychopath). > > >Granted, this is a tiny, > > > > tiny, tiny percentage of the people in this world, but I feel > > >stumped in how to relate to > > > > them in a way that is aligned with my spiritual path, but that is > > >not inadvertently > > > > detrimental. I like to believe that there is hope for all of us, but > > >sometimes that's hard. > > > > > > > > Also pondering, > > > > Iswari > > > > > > > > Ammachi , " Mary E " <francesthompson0@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is so cool! I have been pondering the existence of people who > > >do evil and how does > > > > > one go about loving them (or even just not feeling anger towards > > >them)... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail—award-winning >Windows > > Live Hotmail. > > >http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us & ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_H\ M_mini_pcmag_0507 > > > > _______________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us & ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM\ _mini_2G_0507 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 " You say that like others,MAHATMAS destroy life.But they cannot destroy life.The MAHATMAS all were and are great saviors of mankind and of all of creation.Even when they kill,or destroy,what they are really doing is PURIFYING AND SAVING.Any destruction they do is only ON THE SURFACE.They cannot kill or destroy because they have no egos.They are consciousness.Consciousness cannot kill or destroy.Only a person with an ego can kill and destroy. " When Rama or Krisna killed someone,they did not feel any anger or hatred.As always,they were totally selfless and detached.Even then they were full of compassion and love.Though ONE MAY HAVE SEEN A FIERCE FORM OUTSIDE HIDDEN BEHIND THAT WAS INFINITE COMPASSION AND LOVE. " AMMA pg.176 volume 6 awaken children........... dear sister because of our limitations we cannot percieve this with our minds.we can only have innocent faith in the words of our beloved AMMA.we (and this includes myself first and foremost) have a tendency of pre-imposing our views on GOD views.through humilty, GOD can give us a glimpe of HER reality. AMMA wanted you to have this.tmba believes this with all of his heart.this is my faith and he prays that our beloved and darling AMMA is pleased.may HER GRACE saturate your every experience. > " Mary Ann " <buttercookie61 >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: Loving people who " do evil... " >Mon, 28 May 2007 02:58:51 -0000 > >Thank you for sharing that, Temba. I appreciate the window into your >world, and invite you to share more specifically if you would care to. > >As I posted what you replied to, I was recalling recently a Christian >friend becoming upset with my mentioning the poor grammar and violence >in the phrase: " The wages of sin is death, " a quote from the Bible. My >friend was offended by my criticism when I interpreted that phrase to >be using fear to control rather than love to guide. > >About punches, being on the receiving end, maybe not ducking in time, >or reflexively punching back, or even throwing the first punch in >reaction to something that seemed like a threat...I thought of the >stories of Jesus overturning the tables in the temple. Also, Jesus >withering the fig tree because it was not producing fruit when he >hungered. > >Are there any stories of Amma losing her temper, speaking harshly, >and/or acting in ways that others have said are not spiritual, >enlightened or evolved? I would feel heartened to read accounts in >which Amma herself has struggled with emotions. > >I have read Amma's own seeming defenses of gurus whose behavior or >words seemed harsh. Amma said that was because the observers did not >understand what the guru was intending, or where his words were coming >from, and Amma urges us not to judge, but to see the good in others. >Yet it is difficult when our own harshness arrives on the scene. > >Recently I received difficult to hear feedback in my training in >Nonviolent Communication - I'm not ready for certification yet, >basically, and in fact, despite over a year of training, I've truly >only just begun, and that became quite clear to me recently as I have >been under stress of change -- willing changes made in employment, but >stressful nonetheless, and finding myself reacting more and thinking >less before speaking > > >Ammachi , " temba spirits " <tembaspirits wrote: > > > > thankyou for sharing this dear sibling.this is what came to your >brother > > after he contemplated what your shared.LIFE can punch us in the face >in many > > ways.we can be punched emotionally,physically and even spiritually.we > > probally all can relate to this. > > > > it is important to duck when the puch of life is thrown at us and it is > > equally important to not throw any punches ourselves.if we are >punched by > > LIFE it is important to forgive and not return the punch. > > > > that has been a great challenge for AMMAs sun.it seems that those >punches of > > LIFE have become this childs greatest teachers.they have taught >temba to > > sympathize with how it feels and to have compassion for those that feel > > overwelmed by the punch of life. > > > > it is true that we should raise our awareness and practice as much > > shrada(alertness) as possible ,but we should also do our best to remain > > aware in how AMMA is teaching us and guiding us through the vehicle >of the > > inevitable PUNCH of LIFE..tmba prays that AMMA is pleased with what >he has > > shared. > > > > > > > > > > > " Mary Ann " <buttercookie61 > > >Ammachi > > >Ammachi > > > Re: Loving people who " do evil... " > > >Mon, 28 May 2007 00:59:07 -0000 > > > > > >Dear Iswari, > > > > > >This is an interesting question and good point to bring up. > > > > > >A reason why Amma inspires me so much is that I don't experience her > > >message of love and compassion as advocating the traditional way of > > >loving at the expense of the self. In a talk at one of her Los Angeles > > >appearances a few years ago, Amma recommended we be aware of to whom > > >we are speaking, otherwise possibly we might receive a punch in the > > >mouth! This was stated humorously, but was apt in terms of recognizing > > >the limits or mindset of those we encounter, being mindful, and taking > > >care. > > > > > >I posted this at AmmaBhakti but it seems apt to this thread so I will > > >post it here, too: > > > > > >In Faith (the book), Sharon Salzberg talks about a spiritual teacher > > >of hers who walked with his students into the marketplace > > >and stood bargaining with vendors. One of the students > > >questioned whether that was a very spiritual way to be, > > >bargaining with vendors in the marketplace. The teacher > > >answered: " Living a simple life does not mean being a > > >simpleton. " > > > > > > > > >Ammachi , " ammasiswari " <ammasiswari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mary, I've been thinking a lot about this lately. Through work with > > >my patients, I've had > > > > some practice loving people who have done some pretty heinous evil > > >(e.g., murder, rape, > > > > sexual abuse of children). What trips me up, though, is how (or > > >whether it's even wise) to > > > > relate in a loving way to psychopathic individuals, who not only > > >lack the ability to > > > > empathize with others, but use and twist others' empathy for them > > >and attempts to help > > > > them into furthering their own evil/harmful desires (there is some > > >truth to the adage that > > > > trying to help a psychopath just helps create a better psychopath). > > >Granted, this is a tiny, > > > > tiny, tiny percentage of the people in this world, but I feel > > >stumped in how to relate to > > > > them in a way that is aligned with my spiritual path, but that is > > >not inadvertently > > > > detrimental. I like to believe that there is hope for all of us, but > > >sometimes that's hard. > > > > > > > > Also pondering, > > > > Iswari > > > > > > > > Ammachi , " Mary E " <francesthompson0@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is so cool! I have been pondering the existence of people who > > >do evil and how does > > > > > one go about loving them (or even just not feeling anger towards > > >them)... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail—award-winning >Windows > > Live Hotmail. > > >http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us & ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_H\ M_mini_pcmag_0507 > > > > _______________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us & ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM\ _mini_pcmag_0507 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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