task ahead

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t is clear that we need a serious re-examination of history- both of

the chronology and the descriptive accounts. Two fundamental tasks

suggest themselves: (1) establishing independent chronological

markers that connect literary accounts and datable physical features;

(2) determining the identity of the people of India on scientific

grounds, independent of historical and/or linguistic theories.

 

_ N S Rajaram

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Are you quoting Rajaram or is he a member of your group. He has been attacked in the internet by the indologists Farmer/Witzel from Harvard university.

I include a powerprint presentation on The lord of the Beasts. You may forward it to Dr. Rajaram.

 

Kind regards,

Egbert Richter

 

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Kishore patnaik

Saturday, February 02, 2008 4:16 PM

task ahead

 

 

t is clear that we need a serious re-examination of history- both ofthe chronology and the descriptive accounts. Two fundamental taskssuggest themselves: (1) establishing independent chronologicalmarkers that connect literary accounts and datable physical features;(2) determining the identity of the people of India on scientificgrounds, independent of historical and/or linguistic theories._ N S Rajaram

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Dear Egbertji,

 

It is more than coincidental that I have started again into Indus valley just yesterday, both in books and web and today I have got your mail, enclosing the Lord of beasts PPS.

 

A very illuminating .

 

Would you like to compare it with the codax of Mayans, notorious for human sacrifices?

 

Kishore patnaik

[Guest guest]

Dear Kishore,

 

The Mayas were addicted to human sacrifices and the fought wars all the time between the different cities. In the Indus culture there were yogis who did not partake in the sacrifices as you can see on the harappa-seal published by Kenoyer in harappa.com under the number 89/90. The yogi on the reverse who holds two tigers apart. There is a sun-sign on the top. By concentrating on the inner sun the yogi, who is androgyn on account of the bosom transcends the opposite (cf. RV V.85.1). When you concentrate your eyes on the outer sun you get blind.

The sun regulates the time for the sacrifice according to RV V.85.1, but the yogi who venerates him by the Gayatri every morning does not partake in the sacrifice.

The Mayas had priests and kings, but no yogis.

In one of your previous mails you have linked Ahura Mazda with asha. But Ahura is derived from asura, the older name for the gods in the Veda. Asha is related to rta.

 

Have you read the paper of Farmer/Witzel in the internet, where they attack Rajaram. If not, you should do. I am not of their opinion in regard to the Indus script, but in regard to Rajaram I am for a good deal. So far I can remember, Rajaram has attacked my decoding in a review many years ago. In the meantime I have improved it a lot.

 

You have studied many cultures, but we should concentrate on the Vedic tradition. Why have the Vedic seers and priest abolished writing in spite of the invention of the Rbhus who were architects and writers at the same time.

 

What does the word rishi mean? I think, originally the rishis were writers. It can hear it in the sound of the word. There is a second meaning of the root ars meaning to stitch which is a form of writing. The explanantion of the word in the dictionary is by no means sufficient. They say the rishis poured out the hymns, but an inscriptions can be poured out as well. Modern writers pour out their works when they write them.

 

Best wishes,

Egbert

 

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kishore patnaik

Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:59 PM

Re: task ahead

 

 

 

Dear Egbertji,

 

It is more than coincidental that I have started again into Indus valley just yesterday, both in books and web and today I have got your mail, enclosing the Lord of beasts PPS.

 

A very illuminating .

 

Would you like to compare it with the codax of Mayans, notorious for human sacrifices?

 

Kishore patnaik

[Guest guest]

I suggested, without proof that the Indus valley civilization might have belonged to Jains. There were no temples and mostly, the motifs/statuettes of priests looked like Jain munis. The mayans had magnificent temples and mostly, they were warriors.

One of the pictures in your PPs suggested animal sacrifice. Compare this with the human sacrifices of the Mayans. Possibly, Indus valley followed a Jovian cycle as against the Venusian cycle of Mayans.

I think they flourished and declined with out a trace at the same time. One suggestion for the sudden fall of these two civilizations is that they have experimented with nature and cosmos. regards,

kishore patnaik

[Guest guest]

Dear Kishore,

 

Ancient Indian hitsory and Vedic astrology is your hobby, as you told in your first mail, so how are you able to discuss such problems as you do? Vedic sacrifice is much different from that of the Mayas. I have enlarged my presentation with a few foils to discuss this topic and some other details. Therefore I send it to you again.

I do not know, why you always send my mail including the attachment back to me. That is entirely unnessary. Please stop it.

 

I wish you a good time

Egbert

 

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kishore patnaik

Saturday, February 09, 2008 5:20 PM

Re: task ahead

 

 

I suggested, without proof that the Indus valley civilization might have belonged to Jains. There were no temples and mostly, the motifs/statuettes of priests looked like Jain munis. The mayans had magnificent temples and mostly, they were warriors. One of the pictures in your PPs suggested animal sacrifice. Compare this with the human sacrifices of the Mayans. Possibly, Indus valley followed a Jovian cycle as against the Venusian cycle of Mayans. I think they flourished and declined with out a trace at the same time. One suggestion for the sudden fall of these two civilizations is that they have experimented with nature and cosmos. regards, kishore patnaik

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

 

 

1. If you compare the charts 2420 and 2430( slide no 14) , you would

see that they are mostly same except that an arrow in 2430.

 

I Mahadevan has postulated that Ambu (meaning arrow in telugu and

perhaps, in other Dravidian languages), as a suffix, has a grammatical

function. However, I see no such function for Ambu in Telugu except

that any word (mostly of Sanskrit Origin) suffixed with ambu becomes

more poetical. (for eg., `samudramu' is not different from

`samudrAMBU' , the later is merely poetical)

 

On the other hand, if Egbert's meaning is to be taken, the arrow in

the end has to represent the man, the last in the thread described by

him , as allegorical meaning of Arrow in Vedas is body.

 

You would notice that the first sign and the last sign are similar

except that there is another stroke in between the lower part of the

sign. The sign with this stroke, representing the male organ, is a

male and the sign without this is a female.

 

The penultimate sign seems to be indicative of Swastik, the union of

male and female forces, from which the man was born.

 

Thus, the thread rightly describes the descent of man from a female

force.

 

2. The bull seal (uploaded on the group

 

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/4DWxR8AsFC_jzO-3wwTW_sr32uAc_KmqJ9MT3vPFooAeOBJp3_x\

QIZaS7D4WGn9GOsnwqstmfvEHY0M_kT045A/bull1.jpg

) seems to indicate that it is a merchant seal as it has good

resemblance to the coins of pre Mauryans and Mauryans I am searching

for the images of these coins on net and if I don't find them, I

would scan from the book and then post it

 

If the resemblances is too remarkable, which I am yet to compare more

closely, then you can say that there is a continuous thread of culture

from indus to Mauryan . This

is further fortified by the fact the weight of coins seem to be the

same between those of Mauryans and what has been used by Indus people

and found in Mesopotamia.

 

I invite comments.

 

Kishore patnaik