Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Limited by my field exposure, i have noted (mere observation based narration) that almost all indian tribal communities have a special and extraordinary affinity with/towards the horse. On all auspicious tithis they dedicate a hand made horse to the nature (?) by placing it at their site of worship. In Orissa, the horse sacrifice/donors are all Sauras (Sun worshippers) and even non Sauras also have this practice. In total they constitute >10% of the state's population. Such practice is more so to the south of the 23rd/25th parallel. The Harappa and specially all other river valley civilisations that are being considered as the genetic bed of horse & of the chariot and again of the horse propelled chariots (jointly & severally) are all to the north of the 25th parallel. 4 symbolic horses lead Mahadeva Lingaraja's and Sri Jagannath's chariots, annually. Excavation in the Deccan shows existence of Horse bones i.e. anatomical remains (suggesting domestication ??) dating to layers of more than 5000 yrs (or may be even >7000yrs) before present. All this at numerous sites and layers. The Rik Veda says (some what like this) that the Sun rides the triangular (tricycle) chariot of Aswina and (possibly also) compares 'aswina' with racing steeds ??!! This canto of the Rik is also of more than 5000 yrs before present ? The Aswa of Aswina means 'steed' (male horse). It seems that this academic problem/issue needs more horse power. Cordially, Dr.db Bhubaneswar, India - mkelkar2003 Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:23 PM Chariots and horses (Kuz’mina and Mair 2008) Kuz'mina Mair 2008.pdf and Kuz'mina Mair horses 2008.pdf in the files section."According to most researchers subscribing to Childe's single-center hypothesis (Childe 1951; 1954) for food production, wheeled transport was invented in the late fourth millennium B.C. in Western Asia and in the course of the third millennium B.C. spread from there to the areas of the second-order civilizations: to the Caucasus to Northwest Hindustan to Southeastern Europe and to the Southern Russian Steppe (Kuz'mina and Mair 2008, p. 35).""In Northwest Hindustan wheeled transport appeared in the latter half of the third millennium B.C. documented by discoveries in the Harrapan settlements of clay and bronze models of two-wheeled vehicles and also of clay wheels and figures of draft cattle (Kuz'mina and Mair 2008 p. 35-36)."Comment: If wheeled transport appeared in northwest "Hindustan" shortly after its invention in western Asia then it could not have been responsible for the spread of "Indo-Aryan" languages from north of South Asia. Dingy old carts from Sintashta are grandiosely labeled as "war chariots" (Kohl 2007). The authors neglect to mention presence of horse bones in South Asia and the Near East. Tocharian Chinese contacts are compatible with an Indian homeland scenario (Talageri 2009).Kuzmina, E.E (2008). The prehistory of the silk road. Encounters with Asia, Victor H. Mair (series editor). Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press. ISBN-13: 978-08122-4041-2 (Hardcover). M. Kelkar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Abraka Dabra?Is this of Indian origin. oddisilab <oddisilab1 Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:23:30 AM Abraka Dabra Limited by my field exposure, i have noted (mere observation based narration) that almost all indian tribal communities have a special and extraordinary affinity with/towards the horse. On all auspicious tithis they dedicate a hand made horse to the nature (?) by placing it at their site of worship. In Orissa, the horse sacrifice/donors are all Sauras (Sun worshippers) and even non Sauras also have this practice. In total they constitute >10% of the state's population. Such practice is more so to the south of the 23rd/25th parallel. The Harappa and specially all other river valley civilisations that are being considered as the genetic bed of horse & of the chariot and again of the horse propelled chariots (jointly & severally) are all to the north of the 25th parallel. 4 symbolic horses lead Mahadeva Lingaraja's and Sri Jagannath's chariots, annually. Excavation in the Deccan shows existence of Horse bones i.e. anatomical remains (suggesting domestication ??) dating to layers of more than 5000 yrs (or may be even >7000yrs) before present. All this at numerous sites and layers. The Rik Veda says (some what like this) that the Sun rides the triangular (tricycle) chariot of Aswina and (possibly also) compares 'aswina' with racing steeds ??!! This canto of the Rik is also of more than 5000 yrs before present ? The Aswa of Aswina means 'steed' (male horse). It seems that this academic problem/issue needs more horse power. Cordially, Dr.db Bhubaneswar, India - mkelkar2003 Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:23 PM Chariots and horses (Kuz’mina and Mair 2008) Kuz'mina Mair 2008.pdf and Kuz'mina Mair horses 2008.pdf in the files section."According to most researchers subscribing to Childe's single-center hypothesis (Childe 1951; 1954) for food production, wheeled transport was invented in the late fourth millennium B.C. in Western Asia and in the course of the third millennium B.C. spread from there to the areas of the second-order civilizations: to the Caucasus to Northwest Hindustan to Southeastern Europe and to the Southern Russian Steppe (Kuz'mina and Mair 2008, p. 35).""In Northwest Hindustan wheeled transport appeared in the latter half of the third millennium B.C. documented by discoveries in the Harrapan settlements of clay and bronze models of two-wheeled vehicles and also of clay wheels and figures of draft cattle (Kuz'mina and Mair 2008 p. 35-36)."Comment: If wheeled transport appeared in northwest "Hindustan" shortly after its invention in western Asia then it could not have been responsible for the spread of "Indo-Aryan" languages from north of South Asia. Dingy old carts from Sintashta are grandiosely labeled as "war chariots" (Kohl 2007). The authors neglect to mention presence of horse bones in South Asia and the Near East. Tocharian Chinese contacts are compatible with an Indian homeland scenario (Talageri 2009).Kuzmina, E.E (2008). The prehistory of the silk road. Encounters with Asia, Victor H. Mair (series editor). Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press. ISBN-13: 978-08122-4041- 2 (Hardcover). M. Kelkar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009  No idea about root/genetics. Seems to be Arabic/Islamic. i guess i have heard Maginicians utter this. Juke box ? db - Ricky Fox Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:52 PM Re: Abraka Dabra Abraka Dabra?Is this of Indian origin. oddisilab <oddisilab1 (AT) dataone (DOT) in> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:23:30 AM Abraka Dabra Limited by my field exposure, i have noted (mere observation based narration) that almost all indian tribal communities have a special and extraordinary affinity with/towards the horse. On all auspicious tithis they dedicate a hand made horse to the nature (?) by placing it at their site of worship. In Orissa, the horse sacrifice/donors are all Sauras (Sun worshippers) and even non Sauras also have this practice. In total they constitute >10% of the state's population. Such practice is more so to the south of the 23rd/25th parallel. The Harappa and specially all other river valley civilisations that are being considered as the genetic bed of horse & of the chariot and again of the horse propelled chariots (jointly & severally) are all to the north of the 25th parallel. 4 symbolic horses lead Mahadeva Lingaraja's and Sri Jagannath's chariots, annually. Excavation in the Deccan shows existence of Horse bones i.e. anatomical remains (suggesting domestication ??) dating to layers of more than 5000 yrs (or may be even >7000yrs) before present. All this at numerous sites and layers. The Rik Veda says (some what like this) that the Sun rides the triangular (tricycle) chariot of Aswina and (possibly also) compares 'aswina' with racing steeds ??!! This canto of the Rik is also of more than 5000 yrs before present ? The Aswa of Aswina means 'steed' (male horse). It seems that this academic problem/issue needs more horse power. Cordially, Dr.db Bhubaneswar, India - mkelkar2003 Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:23 PM Chariots and horses (Kuz’mina and Mair 2008) Kuz'mina Mair 2008.pdf and Kuz'mina Mair horses 2008.pdf in the files section."According to most researchers subscribing to Childe's single-center hypothesis (Childe 1951; 1954) for food production, wheeled transport was invented in the late fourth millennium B.C. in Western Asia and in the course of the third millennium B.C. spread from there to the areas of the second-order civilizations: to the Caucasus to Northwest Hindustan to Southeastern Europe and to the Southern Russian Steppe (Kuz'mina and Mair 2008, p. 35).""In Northwest Hindustan wheeled transport appeared in the latter half of the third millennium B.C. documented by discoveries in the Harrapan settlements of clay and bronze models of two-wheeled vehicles and also of clay wheels and figures of draft cattle (Kuz'mina and Mair 2008 p. 35-36)."Comment: If wheeled transport appeared in northwest "Hindustan" shortly after its invention in western Asia then it could not have been responsible for the spread of "Indo-Aryan" languages from north of South Asia. Dingy old carts from Sintashta are grandiosely labeled as "war chariots" (Kohl 2007). The authors neglect to mention presence of horse bones in South Asia and the Near East. Tocharian Chinese contacts are compatible with an Indian homeland scenario (Talageri 2009).Kuzmina, E.E (2008). The prehistory of the silk road. Encounters with Asia, Victor H. Mair (series editor). Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press. ISBN-13: 978-08122-4041- 2 (Hardcover). M. Kelkar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009  1 for numeric germination cum swift ambulation - Sri Dhrita 9 times of 67 = 620 (leaving remainder 0.253) so 9 + 1 = 10. Add the next step as 1 9 +1 +1 = 11 so 10.877 times of 57 = 620 (rounded up i.e. say 11 times of 57 = 620) Now see further 6757 divided by 620 = 10.898 say 11 67571 divided by 620 = 108.985 say 109 5767 divided by 620 = 9.301 57671 divided by 620 = 93.017 16757 divided by 620 = 27.027 15767 divided by 620 = 25.430 The Sq Root of 745 = 27 The Sq Root of 620 = 24.899 say 25 27 + 25 = 52 620 divided by 52 = 11.923 say 11 5767 divided by 52 = 110.903 say 111 6757 divided by 52 = 108.985 say 109 67571 divided by 109 = 619.91 say 620 745 divided by 11 = 67.72 say 67 620 divided by 11 = 56.36 say 57. 745 minus 620 = 125 The Sq Root of 15767 = 125.566 In every division we note some remainder i.e. Dhrit ? Dhritrastra ( the domain/world of remainders). etc. Nao do gyara (9+2=11) kiya Kya ?? (In Hindi it is the aphorism for, the Great vanishing trick). This is also a case of VLSI - Very Large System Integration. Regards Dr. Deepak Bhattacharya C/o Radha Krishna Kedar Gouri Road Bhubaneswar-India-751002 ==================================================== - Sunil Bhattacharjya Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:47 AM Re: Re: Lost poems of the ancient Bhagawad Gita – lost for 2000 years! Dear Shri G. Gadadharji,The Bhagavad Gita published from the Gondal pith has 756 verses and that published by Dr. E.Vedavyas has two verses less, ie. it has 754 verses and not 745 verses as Dr. Vedavyas's book claims. You have not counted the verses yourself. Had you counted the total number of verses and also checked the verses attributed to the four speakers in the Bhagavad Gita you would have known the facts. I counted it myself as I have a copy of the book, which I received during the time Dr. Vedavyas last visited Pune and gave some talks there. According to the Gitamana sloka of the Mahabharata the distribution of verses the Bhagavad Gita is as follows:Dhritarashstra------------------------------ 1Sanjaya---- 67Lord Krishna----------------------------- 620Arjuna------- 57Total number of verses--------------- 745 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009  possibly means JUKE BOX. Ask Ancient India - Ricky Fox Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:52 PM Re: Abraka Dabra Abraka Dabra?Is this of Indian origin. oddisilab <oddisilab1 (AT) dataone (DOT) in> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:23:30 AM Abraka Dabra Limited by my field exposure, i have noted (mere observation based narration) that almost all indian tribal communities have a special and extraordinary affinity with/towards the horse. On all auspicious tithis they dedicate a hand made horse to the nature (?) by placing it at their site of worship. In Orissa, the horse sacrifice/donors are all Sauras (Sun worshippers) and even non Sauras also have this practice. In total they constitute >10% of the state's population. Such practice is more so to the south of the 23rd/25th parallel. The Harappa and specially all other river valley civilisations that are being considered as the genetic bed of horse & of the chariot and again of the horse propelled chariots (jointly & severally) are all to the north of the 25th parallel. 4 symbolic horses lead Mahadeva Lingaraja's and Sri Jagannath's chariots, annually. Excavation in the Deccan shows existence of Horse bones i.e. anatomical remains (suggesting domestication ??) dating to layers of more than 5000 yrs (or may be even >7000yrs) before present. All this at numerous sites and layers. The Rik Veda says (some what like this) that the Sun rides the triangular (tricycle) chariot of Aswina and (possibly also) compares 'aswina' with racing steeds ??!! This canto of the Rik is also of more than 5000 yrs before present ? The Aswa of Aswina means 'steed' (male horse). It seems that this academic problem/issue needs more horse power. Cordially, Dr.db Bhubaneswar, India - mkelkar2003 Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:23 PM Chariots and horses (Kuz’mina and Mair 2008) Kuz'mina Mair 2008.pdf and Kuz'mina Mair horses 2008.pdf in the files section."According to most researchers subscribing to Childe's single-center hypothesis (Childe 1951; 1954) for food production, wheeled transport was invented in the late fourth millennium B.C. in Western Asia and in the course of the third millennium B.C. spread from there to the areas of the second-order civilizations: to the Caucasus to Northwest Hindustan to Southeastern Europe and to the Southern Russian Steppe (Kuz'mina and Mair 2008, p. 35).""In Northwest Hindustan wheeled transport appeared in the latter half of the third millennium B.C. documented by discoveries in the Harrapan settlements of clay and bronze models of two-wheeled vehicles and also of clay wheels and figures of draft cattle (Kuz'mina and Mair 2008 p. 35-36)."Comment: If wheeled transport appeared in northwest "Hindustan" shortly after its invention in western Asia then it could not have been responsible for the spread of "Indo-Aryan" languages from north of South Asia. Dingy old carts from Sintashta are grandiosely labeled as "war chariots" (Kohl 2007). The authors neglect to mention presence of horse bones in South Asia and the Near East. Tocharian Chinese contacts are compatible with an Indian homeland scenario (Talageri 2009).Kuzmina, E.E (2008). The prehistory of the silk road. Encounters with Asia, Victor H. Mair (series editor). Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press. ISBN-13: 978-08122-4041- 2 (Hardcover). M. Kelkar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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