Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 The Historical Krishna According to scriptural documentation, Krishna was 'born' at midnight on the 8th day of the dark half of the month of Bhadrapada(August – Sept) , in the year 3228 bce. He displayed his pastimes for all to see for a little over 125 years and then left for his original abode. His' death' occurred in 3102 bce , marking the beginning of the current age of Kali, characterized by conflict and degradation. Calculations may vary , based on astronomical and genealogical evidence, but there are traditionally accepted dates. Of course, Vaishnavic practitioners view him as "unborn" and therefore, his appearance in the world is seen as grace, pure and simple, a magic show, of sorts, performed for the benefit of this world. In other words, his life in the material world has a soteriological function in that it is meant to cure us of our spiritual amnesia, reminding us of our real life in the spiritual realm- encouraging to go back home, back to Godhead. His eternal pastimes are, ultimately, imported from the spiritual world, and he sometimes manifests them here, just to entice us. Precious little is known about the prehistoric worship of Sri Krishna, though it is worth noting that some think that ancient Harappan relics evince seals with names related to Krishna such as Akrura, Vrishni , yadu and so on. Early texts mention him too briefly. The name Krishna appears in Rg Veda (1.116 and 117) though it is unlikely that these verses refer to the divinity we today know as Krishna. Nonetheless, there are scholars who take into account the cryptic nature of Vedic literature, suggesting that the verses in question might in face be about him, even if these same verses appear to be pointing in some other direction. Vedic references to Vsnu are less ambiguous and it is worth noting that Vsnu's identification with Krishna goes a long way , with highly suggestive statements in Vedas themselves. For e.g.. om pme sicj Vedic text (RV 1.22.16-21) Vsnu is known as protector, a word that has many skt equivalents, such as rakshaka etc. Yet this verse chooses to use gopa , a word that indeed means protector but that more commonly refers to a cowherd. And while Vsnu is never visualized as a cowherd, Krishna certainly is. Such covert identification is not uncommon in Vedic texts. However, I personally think Krishna was not mentioned Vedic samhitas, which are fully developed by his time. However, the references to Krishna in Upanishads are far more specific. When we get to Chandogya Upanishad (3.17), Krishna's "vedic" presence is more definite, since, here he is mentioned as the son of Devaki, who did appear as his mother during his earthly incarnation. This Upanishad is part of Samaveda, thus giving Krishna a vedic status. Further, the Upanishad can not be placed later than 6th c. bce, which delineates the antiquity of Krishna worship. Other early evidences of Krishna include Yaska's Nirukta, an etymological dictionary dated prior to Panini. Here one already finds well known stories about the cowherd divinity and his devotees. There is a brief reference to Krishna as Vasudeva in Panini's skt Grammar, dated to at least 6th C bce at the latest. In addition, there is a significance array of archaeological evidence for Krishna's pre Christian existence. In 4th c bce, Megasthenes the Greek ambassador to the court of Sandrocryptus, wrote that people in the region of Mathura worshipped a divinity known as Herakles who is now identified as Krishna This identification is plausible since the Greek author mentions particular regions as well as heroic acts that are easily associated with the Dark Lord. Garga talks of four handed Keshava in his Yuga purana. This work is dated to atleast 3rd c. BCE, if not before. The great grammarian and author of the Yoga Sutras, Patanjali, who lived in the second century BC, wrote that Krishna had slain the tyrant Kamsa in the far distant past. Raychaudhari tells us the exact words were " chirahate Kamse' which means that Kamsa's death occurred at a very remote time. " Then, in 180-165 bce, the Greek ruler Agathocles issued coins at Khanoum , Afghanistan, with images of Krishna and his brother Balarama on them, offering significant numismatic evidence for historicity of Krishna. In First c. bce, the Greek soldier Heliodorus erected at Besnagar, near Bhilsa, a column with the following inscription: " This Garuda column of Vasudeva , the God of Gods, was erected here by Heliodorus, a worshipper of the Lord Bhagavata, the son of Diya (Greek Dion) and an inhabitant of Taxila who came as ambassador of the Greeks from the Great King Amtalikita to King Kashiputra Bhagabhadra…" He also had written on his column's inscription that " Three immortal precepts when practiced lead to heaven–self-restraint, charity, and conscientiousness. " These three virtues appear in the exact same order in the Mahabharata, which makes Professor Kunja Govinda Swami of Calcutta University conclude that Heliodorus " was well acquainted with the texts dealing with the Bhagavat [Vaisnava] religion. " Raychaudhuri concurs that " there was some close connection between the teaching of the Mahabharata and that of the Besnagar Inscription, " proving that Heliodorus was a knowledgeable devotee of Vaisnavism. Seven miles west of Mathura in the small and unimposing village of Mora, General Cunningham made another vital find regarding the historicity of Vaisnavism. In 1882, on the terrace of an ancient well, he discovered a large stone slab filled with inscriptions. Although more than half of the writing had already peeled away on the right side, the remainder was legible. It was transcribed, and a facsimile of the inscription was published in the Archaeological Survey of India's Annual Report. The message was clear. Not only was Krishna worshiped in the centuries before Christ, but also His expansions or associates, especially " the five heroes of the Vrishni Clan. " Scholarly research makes evident that these five are Krishna (Vasudeva), Balarama (Sankarshana), Pradyumna, Samba, and Aniruddha. At Ghosundi, a town near Udaipur, there is an inscription dated at about 150 bce. Here the words of an early Krishna devotee tells of his devotion for Vasudeva, Samkarshana and Narayana., names related to Krishna. The Nanaghat inscription also evinces Krishna worship in South India, where Vasudeva and Sankarshana (or Krishna and Balarama) are included in an invocation of a brahmin. Hala's Gaha-Sattasal is an early secular source telling us much about Krishna and the Harivamsa is the closest thing we have to a full life story. Add to this Bhasa's balacharita, another early record of Krishna's pastimes, and a full biographical narrative emerges. It is difficult to date some of this literature but it is clear that it took initial shape well before the common era. The scriptures of the Jains push Krishna's life back farther still. Raychaudhari writes, " Jaina tradition makes Krishna a contemporary of Arishtanemi… who is the immediate predecessor of Parsvanatha…. As Parsvanatha flourished about 817 B.C., Krishna must have lived long before the closing years of the ninth Century B.C. " The Puranas seem to have come much later as well as Gita Govinda but this takes us well into the 12th Century. Consequently, Krishna's historicity is now widely accepted , even in the academic world. 1 http://books.google.co.in/books?id=WuVG8PxKq_0C & pg=PA124 & dq=historical+krishna & as_brr=3 & ei=g-uXSa7mKYS6kQTjqv3lCQ 2. http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/vedic-upanisads/vedic-archeology.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Other notes: Notes: http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/krishna.asp 1. Krishna is also mentioned in Taittiriya Aranyaka X .i, vi 2. The Ghata Jataka (no 454) gives an account of Krishna's childhood and subsequent exploits which in many points corresponds with the Brahmanic legends of Krishna's life. 3. Jains have an elaborate system of ancient patriarchs and Krishna is one of these patriarchs connected with Dwaraka. http://satyameva-jayate.org/2005/08/14/a-search-for-the-historical-krishna/ 4. We find the names of Mahabharata characters in Vedic literature — Vicitravirya in Kathaka Samhita; Sikhandin Yajnasena in Kaushitaki Brahmana; Janamejaya the grandson of Abhimanyu in Aitareya Brahmana; and Pariksita in Shatapatha Brahmana. And the list is far from exhaustive.Among Buddhist works Kunala Jataka mentions Krishnaa (i.e., Draupadi) in addition to Bhimasena, Arjuna, Nakula, Sahadeva and Yudhittila (Pali for Yudhisthira). Dhananjaya of the Kuru race (Arjuna) and Draupadi Svayamvara are referred to in Dhumakari Jataka. The same work refers also to Yudhisthira as an ancestor of the Kurus of Indapattana (i.e., Indraprastha) and also to Vidurapandita. In addition to these Mahabharata characters, Krishna himself is mentioned in Buddhist works such as Sutrapitaka and Lalitavistara. These works are often hostile to Krishna and his teachings, but the very fact they found it necessary to try to discredit him (and his teachings) shows that he was accepted as a historical figure even by them Since Ashvalayana mentions the Mahabharata and its authors Jaimini and Vaisampayana as ancient, at least a century must have elapsed between the War and his time. He records that in his time plants sprouted after the beginning of monsoon rains in the Hindu month of Bhadrapada. This now takes place in Jyestha or Ashadha. This goes to show that the monsoon in his time used to start in the month of Sravana instead of Jyestha as it does today - a difference of about seventy days. This is due to a well-known astronomical phenomenon called the 'precession of the equinoxes'. Seasons fall back relative to the fixed stars (and the Hindu calendar which is based on the fixed stars) by about one day every 72 years. What this means is that the beginning of monsoon noted by Ashvalayana must have been taking place close to 5000 years ago or about 3000 BC.Further, Ashvalayana pays homage to his teacher Kahola Kaushitaki who was the sage of the Kaushitaki Brahmana. It mentions several Mahabharata characters. It also mentions that the winter solstice - as the first day of winter is called - took place on the day on which we now celebrate the Maha-Shivaratri festival. The winter solstice now falls on December 21, and the Maha-Shivaratri comes around March 1. This is due to the precession of the equinoxes. This again means that from the time of Kahola Kausitaki, the seasons have moved by about 70 days. So, 70 times 72 or about 5000 years must have passed. This also supports a date of about 3100 BC for the Mahabharata War.5 Also see : http://d.scribd.com/docs/274mpdpk4nqfmu0itpbt.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 prafulla_mendki writes: Many wise people now believe that Mahabharata happened 5000years ago(My claim is in 3008BC). However there are some people who are doing harm to Indian culture and history by misleading masses. 1)There are some archeologist or those who believe in views of archeologists that these histories are only 2000BC to 1500BC old.There are many authors who write books based on these assumptions.I wish to tell them that they must consider astronomy also which is given in Ramayana and Mahabharata.Archeology alone can not give correct answer. 2)There are some who call themselves as scietists/astronomers/ historians who take help of sometimes astrology and give wrong meaning to the old verses.Please note that Valmiki and Vyas had written observations of sky from astronomical point of view and they are correct.But these people try to LABLE Valmiki or Vyas or Krishna as astrologers and they are unable to find the truth. At the same time they try to mislead masses. Please note that astrology has no base in science and any work done from astrological point of view can not be and will not be accepted in the world. In this way we ourselves are losing faith in our own history.Recent example was govt.'s affidavite on Ramayana. 3) Third class of people who are doing harm are those who call themselves to be scholars but mislead masses by saying that these histories happnened many lakhs of years ago. No scietific person or world will not believe this. 4) Another class is those who are good astronomers but they fully rely on western softwares and do not understand that these softwares are not designed for old times.They are good only after 0 A.D..These people are professores,astronomers,scietists in reputed organistions but they are not openminded and they are egoistic.They have power,they have resources,they have intelligence but they have ego and they do not listen to others. I therefore apeal to those crores of people in India who have sufficient intelligence to do calculations and ask themselves for truth. It is time for Indians to find truth themselves.You can read books of different views but please do not get biased. Use your own intelligence and decide. If you are interested to find truth,pl.read my book " Astronomy in Mahabharata " Please read first and the decide.Do not make half cooked decisions. prafulla_mendki , kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Other notes: > > > > Notes: > > http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/krishna.asp > > > > 1. Krishna is also mentioned in Taittiriya Aranyaka X .i, vi > > 2. The Ghata Jataka (no 454) gives an account of Krishna's childhood > and subsequent exploits which in many points corresponds with the Brahmanic > legends of Krishna's life. > > 3. Jains have an elaborate system of ancient patriarchs and Krishna is > one of these patriarchs connected with Dwaraka. > > > > http://satyameva-jayate.org/2005/08/14/a-search-for-the- historical-krishna/ > > 4. We find the names of Mahabharata characters in Vedic literature — > Vicitravirya in Kathaka Samhita; Sikhandin Yajnasena in Kaushitaki Brahmana; > Janamejaya the grandson of Abhimanyu in Aitareya Brahmana; and Pariksita in > Shatapatha Brahmana. And the list is far from exhaustive.Among Buddhist > works Kunala Jataka mentions Krishnaa (i.e., Draupadi) in addition to > Bhimasena, Arjuna, Nakula, Sahadeva and Yudhittila (Pali for Yudhisthira). > Dhananjaya of the Kuru race (Arjuna) and Draupadi Svayamvara are referred to > in Dhumakari Jataka. The same work refers also to Yudhisthira as an ancestor > of the Kurus of Indapattana (i.e., Indraprastha) and also to Vidurapandita. > In addition to these Mahabharata characters, Krishna himself is mentioned in > Buddhist works such as Sutrapitaka and Lalitavistara. These works are often > hostile to Krishna and his teachings, but the very fact they found it > necessary to try to discredit him (and his teachings) shows that he was > accepted as a historical figure even by them > > Since Ashvalayana mentions the Mahabharata and its authors Jaimini and > Vaisampayana as ancient, at least a century must have elapsed between the > War and his time. He records that in his time plants sprouted after the > beginning of monsoon rains in the Hindu month of Bhadrapada. This now takes > place in Jyestha or Ashadha. This goes to show that the monsoon in his time > used to start in the month of Sravana instead of Jyestha as it does today - > a difference of about seventy days. This is due to a well-known astronomical > phenomenon called the 'precession of the equinoxes'. Seasons fall back > relative to the fixed stars (and the Hindu calendar which is based on the > fixed stars) by about one day every 72 years. > > What this means is that the beginning of monsoon noted by Ashvalayana must > have been taking place close to 5000 years ago or about 3000 BC.Further, > Ashvalayana pays homage to his teacher Kahola Kaushitaki who was the sage of > the Kaushitaki Brahmana. It mentions several Mahabharata characters. It also > mentions that the winter solstice - as the first day of winter is called - > took place on the day on which we now celebrate the Maha-Shivaratri > festival. The winter solstice now falls on December 21, and the > Maha-Shivaratri comes around March 1. This is due to the precession of the > equinoxes. This again means that from the time of Kahola Kausitaki, the > seasons have moved by about 70 days. So, 70 times 72 or about 5000 years > must have passed. This also supports a date of about 3100 BC for the > Mahabharata War. > > > 5 Also see : http://d.scribd.com/docs/274mpdpk4nqfmu0itpbt.pdf > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 What is your opinion about the date of Ramayana. Till now I haven't come across any sort of an archeological evidence in that regards. Also, what would be your comments in reference to the trend of Krishna and Christ being the same. Libraries and and net are filled with the same stuff. Your dating, 3008 BC and 0AD are far far away. Sriharsha. SI am an angel; the horns are just to keep the halo straight.prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki Sent: Sunday, 1 March, 2009 11:35:29 AM Re: Historical Krishna - a note prafulla_mendki@ .co. in writes: Many wise people now believe that Mahabharata happened 5000years ago(My claim is in 3008BC). However there are some people who are doing harm to Indian culture and history by misleading masses. 1)There are some archeologist or those who believe in views of archeologists that these histories are only 2000BC to 1500BC old.There are many authors who write books based on these assumptions. I wish to tell them that they must consider astronomy also which is given in Ramayana and Mahabharata. Archeology alone can not give correct answer. 2)There are some who call themselves as scietists/astronome rs/ historians who take help of sometimes astrology and give wrong meaning to the old verses.Please note that Valmiki and Vyas had written observations of sky from astronomical point of view and they are correct.But these people try to LABLE Valmiki or Vyas or Krishna as astrologers and they are unable to find the truth. At the same time they try to mislead masses. Please note that astrology has no base in science and any work done from astrological point of view can not be and will not be accepted in the world. In this way we ourselves are losing faith in our own history.Recent example was govt.'s affidavite on Ramayana. 3) Third class of people who are doing harm are those who call themselves to be scholars but mislead masses by saying that these histories happnened many lakhs of years ago. No scietific person or world will not believe this. 4) Another class is those who are good astronomers but they fully rely on western softwares and do not understand that these softwares are not designed for old times.They are good only after 0 A.D..These people are professores, astronomers, scietists in reputed organistions but they are not openminded and they are egoistic.They have power,they have resources,they have intelligence but they have ego and they do not listen to others. I therefore apeal to those crores of people in India who have sufficient intelligence to do calculations and ask themselves for truth. It is time for Indians to find truth themselves.You can read books of different views but please do not get biased. Use your own intelligence and decide. If you are interested to find truth,pl.read my book"Astronomy in Mahabharata" Please read first and the decide.Do not make half cooked decisions. prafulla_mendki@ .co. in , kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote: > > Other notes: > > > > Notes: > > http://www.hinduweb site.com/ history/krishna. asp > > > > 1. Krishna is also mentioned in Taittiriya Aranyaka X .i, vi > > 2. The Ghata Jataka (no 454) gives an account of Krishna's childhood > and subsequent exploits which in many points corresponds with the Brahmanic > legends of Krishna's life. > > 3. Jains have an elaborate system of ancient patriarchs and Krishna is > one of these patriarchs connected with Dwaraka. > > > > http://satyameva- jayate.org/ 2005/08/14/ a-search- for-the- historical-krishna/ > > 4. We find the names of Mahabharata characters in Vedic literature — > Vicitravirya in Kathaka Samhita; Sikhandin Yajnasena in Kaushitaki Brahmana; > Janamejaya the grandson of Abhimanyu in Aitareya Brahmana; and Pariksita in > Shatapatha Brahmana. And the list is far from exhaustive.Among Buddhist > works Kunala Jataka mentions Krishnaa (i.e., Draupadi) in addition to > Bhimasena, Arjuna, Nakula, Sahadeva and Yudhittila (Pali for Yudhisthira) . > Dhananjaya of the Kuru race (Arjuna) and Draupadi Svayamvara are referred to > in Dhumakari Jataka. The same work refers also to Yudhisthira as an ancestor > of the Kurus of Indapattana (i.e., Indraprastha) and also to Vidurapandita. > In addition to these Mahabharata characters, Krishna himself is mentioned in > Buddhist works such as Sutrapitaka and Lalitavistara. These works are often > hostile to Krishna and his teachings, but the very fact they found it > necessary to try to discredit him (and his teachings) shows that he was > accepted as a historical figure even by them > > Since Ashvalayana mentions the Mahabharata and its authors Jaimini and > Vaisampayana as ancient, at least a century must have elapsed between the > War and his time. He records that in his time plants sprouted after the > beginning of monsoon rains in the Hindu month of Bhadrapada. This now takes > place in Jyestha or Ashadha. This goes to show that the monsoon in his time > used to start in the month of Sravana instead of Jyestha as it does today - > a difference of about seventy days. This is due to a well-known astronomical > phenomenon called the 'precession of the equinoxes'. Seasons fall back > relative to the fixed stars (and the Hindu calendar which is based on the > fixed stars) by about one day every 72 years. > > What this means is that the beginning of monsoon noted by Ashvalayana must > have been taking place close to 5000 years ago or about 3000 BC.Further, > Ashvalayana pays homage to his teacher Kahola Kaushitaki who was the sage of > the Kaushitaki Brahmana. It mentions several Mahabharata characters. It also > mentions that the winter solstice - as the first day of winter is called - > took place on the day on which we now celebrate the Maha-Shivaratri > festival. The winter solstice now falls on December 21, and the > Maha-Shivaratri comes around March 1. This is due to the precession of the > equinoxes. This again means that from the time of Kahola Kausitaki, the > seasons have moved by about 70 days. So, 70 times 72 or about 5000 years > must have passed. This also supports a date of about 3100 BC for the > Mahabharata War. > > > 5 Also see : http://d.scribd. com/docs/ 274mpdpk4nqfmu0i tpbt.pdf > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Sriharsha S. You could possibly refer to this site: www.historicalrama.org ThanksYamuna On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM, sripathi sriharsha <sripathi1 wrote: What is your opinion about the date of Ramayana. Till now I haven't come across any sort of an archeological evidence in that regards. Also, what would be your comments in reference to the trend of Krishna and Christ being the same. Libraries and and net are filled with the same stuff. Your dating, 3008 BC and 0AD are far far away. Sriharsha. S I am an angel; the horns are just to keep the halo straight. prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki Sunday, 1 March, 2009 11:35:29 AM Re: Historical Krishna - a note prafulla_mendki@ .co. in writes:Many wise people now believe that Mahabharata happened 5000yearsago(My claim is in 3008BC). However there are some people who are doing harm to Indian cultureand history by misleading masses.1)There are some archeologist or those who believe in views ofarcheologists that these histories are only 2000BC to 1500BC old.There are many authors who write books based on these assumptions. I wish to tell them that they must consider astronomyalso which is given in Ramayana and Mahabharata. Archeology alonecan not give correct answer. 2)There are some who call themselves as scietists/astronome rs/historians who take help of sometimes astrology and give wrongmeaning to the old verses.Please note that Valmiki and Vyashad written observations of sky from astronomical point of view and they are correct.But these people try to LABLE Valmiki or Vyasor Krishna as astrologers and they are unable to find the truth.At the same time they try to mislead masses.Please note that astrology has no base in science and any work done from astrological point of view can not be and will not be accepted in the world. In this way we ourselves are losing faithin our own history.Recent example was govt.'s affidavite onRamayana.3) Third class of people who are doing harm are those who call themselves to be scholars but mislead masses by saying that thesehistories happnened many lakhs of years ago. No scietific personor world will not believe this.4) Another class is those who are good astronomers but they fully rely on western softwares and do not understand that these softwares are not designed for old times.They are good only after0 A.D..These people are professores, astronomers, scietists in reputedorganistions but they are not openminded and they are egoistic.They have power,they have resources,they have intelligence but they haveego and they do not listen to others.I therefore apeal to those crores of people in India who havesufficient intelligence to do calculations and ask themselves for truth.It is time for Indians to find truth themselves.You can readbooks of different views but please do not get biased.Use your own intelligence and decide.If you are interested to find truth,pl.read my book " Astronomy in Mahabharata " Please read first and the decide.Do not make half cooked decisions.prafulla_mendki@ .co. in , kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote:>> Other notes:> > > > Notes:> > http://www.hinduweb site.com/ history/krishna. asp > > > > 1. Krishna is also mentioned in Taittiriya Aranyaka X .i, vi> > 2. The Ghata Jataka (no 454) gives an account of Krishna's childhood> and subsequent exploits which in many points corresponds with the Brahmanic> legends of Krishna's life.> > 3. Jains have an elaborate system of ancient patriarchs and Krishna is> one of these patriarchs connected with Dwaraka.> > > > http://satyameva- jayate.org/ 2005/08/14/ a-search- for-the-historical-krishna/> > 4. We find the names of Mahabharata characters in Vedic literature —> Vicitravirya in Kathaka Samhita; Sikhandin Yajnasena in Kaushitaki Brahmana;> Janamejaya the grandson of Abhimanyu in Aitareya Brahmana; and Pariksita in> Shatapatha Brahmana. And the list is far from exhaustive.Among Buddhist> works Kunala Jataka mentions Krishnaa (i.e., Draupadi) in addition to> Bhimasena, Arjuna, Nakula, Sahadeva and Yudhittila (Pali for Yudhisthira) .> Dhananjaya of the Kuru race (Arjuna) and Draupadi Svayamvara are referred to> in Dhumakari Jataka. The same work refers also to Yudhisthira as an ancestor> of the Kurus of Indapattana (i.e., Indraprastha) and also to Vidurapandita.> In addition to these Mahabharata characters, Krishna himself is mentioned in> Buddhist works such as Sutrapitaka and Lalitavistara. These works are often> hostile to Krishna and his teachings, but the very fact they found it> necessary to try to discredit him (and his teachings) shows that he was> accepted as a historical figure even by them> > Since Ashvalayana mentions the Mahabharata and its authors Jaimini and> Vaisampayana as ancient, at least a century must have elapsed between the> War and his time. He records that in his time plants sprouted after the> beginning of monsoon rains in the Hindu month of Bhadrapada. This now takes> place in Jyestha or Ashadha. This goes to show that the monsoon in his time> used to start in the month of Sravana instead of Jyestha as it does today -> a difference of about seventy days. This is due to a well-known astronomical> phenomenon called the 'precession of the equinoxes'. Seasons fall back> relative to the fixed stars (and the Hindu calendar which is based on the> fixed stars) by about one day every 72 years.> > What this means is that the beginning of monsoon noted by Ashvalayana must> have been taking place close to 5000 years ago or about 3000 BC.Further,> Ashvalayana pays homage to his teacher Kahola Kaushitaki who was the sage of> the Kaushitaki Brahmana. It mentions several Mahabharata characters. It also> mentions that the winter solstice - as the first day of winter is called -> took place on the day on which we now celebrate the Maha-Shivaratri> festival. The winter solstice now falls on December 21, and the > Maha-Shivaratri comes around March 1. This is due to the precession of the> equinoxes. This again means that from the time of Kahola Kausitaki, the> seasons have moved by about 70 days. So, 70 times 72 or about 5000 years> must have passed. This also supports a date of about 3100 BC for the> Mahabharata War.> > > 5 Also see : http://d.scribd. com/docs/ 274mpdpk4nqfmu0i tpbt.pdf > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Comparatively, the date of Ramayana is much more difficult to assess. In fact, there were several trials in the past to do this but I am sure that none was satisfactory - whether traditionalists or the mainstream scholars. I do not understand how one can come across any archaeological evidence with regard to a particular person. For e.g., do you expect to find some inscription or some such thing about Mahatma Gandhi after say 5 or 10 thousands years later? I am dead sure that there is no " inscription " that talks of Mahatma Gandhi right now. If you forget all the tradition, books and other media that talks of Mahatma Gandhi, there is nothing that can tell you about him. If this be the case with regard to a very important person who was alive just 60 years or so ago, what can you expect about Sri Rama who was around when there was no script? I am very much sure that you will not find any archaeological remains also since the so called towns of those days may not be more than a closely knit clusters of mud buildings which would not survive into the future, especially in such climate as that of India. More over, most of these towns are situated on the banks of big rivers, which keep changing their course and in the process, it is possible the ruins, if any, would have been swept away much before than anyone cared to look. Under the circumstances, it is foolish even to think of an archaeological evidence for personalities from Ancient India. Absence of evidence is not proof of absence of Existance. You are right that Krishna and Jesus are being equalized and there are any number of websites devoted to this. Very strangely, many Hindus I have met and discussed about this go into kinda philosophy and say all Gods are one or some such thing. Very convenient answer, I guess. Jesus, even if he has existed, was a small time prophet of his times, It is his image that was literally resurrected and put flesh and blood by the Bible authors sometime in 400 CE, by borrowing several legends and teachings not only from Hinduism but also from Buddhism and sevaral other religions. An objective student of Xanity should discord these robes before he can understand the original Xanity. It is worthwhile again to study the influence of these borrowed layers, san which , some argue that Xanity would not have had a working philosophy(which might be arguable). In any case, prior to these times, Xanity was just one of the so many sects that were prevalent in medieval times. hope this helps, Kishore patnaik On 3/1/09, sripathi sriharsha <sripathi1 wrote: > What is your opinion about the date of Ramayana. Till now I haven't come > across any sort of an archeological evidence in that regards. Also, what > would be your comments in reference to the trend of Krishna and Christ being > the same. Libraries and and net are filled with the same stuff. Your dating, > 3008 BC and 0AD are far far away. > > > Sriharsha. S > I am an angel; the horns are just to keep the halo straight. > > > > > > ________________________________ > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki > > Sunday, 1 March, 2009 11:35:29 AM > Re: Historical Krishna - a note > > > prafulla_mendki@ .co. in writes: > Many wise people now believe that Mahabharata happened 5000years > ago(My claim is in 3008BC). > However there are some people who are doing harm to Indian culture > and history by misleading masses. > 1)There are some archeologist or those who believe in views of > archeologists that these histories are only 2000BC to 1500BC > old.There are many authors who write books based on these > assumptions. I wish to tell them that they must consider astronomy > also which is given in Ramayana and Mahabharata. Archeology alone > can not give correct answer. > 2)There are some who call themselves as scietists/astronome rs/ > historians who take help of sometimes astrology and give wrong > meaning to the old verses.Please note that Valmiki and Vyas > had written observations of sky from astronomical point of view > and they are correct.But these people try to LABLE Valmiki or Vyas > or Krishna as astrologers and they are unable to find the truth. > At the same time they try to mislead masses. > Please note that astrology has no base in science and any work > done from astrological point of view can not be and will not be > accepted in the world. In this way we ourselves are losing faith > in our own history.Recent example was govt.'s affidavite on > Ramayana. > 3) Third class of people who are doing harm are those who call > themselves to be scholars but mislead masses by saying that these > histories happnened many lakhs of years ago. No scietific person > or world will not believe this. > 4) Another class is those who are good astronomers but they fully > rely on western softwares and do not understand that these > softwares are not designed for old times.They are good only after > 0 A.D..These people are professores, astronomers, scietists in reputed > organistions but they are not openminded and they are egoistic.They > have power,they have resources,they have intelligence but they have > ego and they do not listen to others. > I therefore apeal to those crores of people in India who have > sufficient intelligence to do calculations and ask themselves > for truth. > It is time for Indians to find truth themselves.You can read > books of different views but please do not get biased. > Use your own intelligence and decide. > If you are interested to find truth,pl.read my book " Astronomy > in Mahabharata " > Please read first and the decide.Do not make half cooked decisions. > prafulla_mendki@ .co. in > > , kishore patnaik > <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote: >> >> Other notes: >> >> >> >> Notes: >> >> http://www.hinduweb site.com/ history/krishna. asp >> >> >> >> 1. Krishna is also mentioned in Taittiriya Aranyaka X .i, vi >> >> 2. The Ghata Jataka (no 454) gives an account of Krishna's > childhood >> and subsequent exploits which in many points corresponds with the > Brahmanic >> legends of Krishna's life. >> >> 3. Jains have an elaborate system of ancient patriarchs and > Krishna is >> one of these patriarchs connected with Dwaraka. >> >> >> >> http://satyameva- jayate.org/ 2005/08/14/ a-search- for-the- > historical-krishna/ >> >> 4. We find the names of Mahabharata characters in Vedic > literature — >> Vicitravirya in Kathaka Samhita; Sikhandin Yajnasena in Kaushitaki > Brahmana; >> Janamejaya the grandson of Abhimanyu in Aitareya Brahmana; and > Pariksita in >> Shatapatha Brahmana. And the list is far from exhaustive.Among > Buddhist >> works Kunala Jataka mentions Krishnaa (i.e., Draupadi) in addition > to >> Bhimasena, Arjuna, Nakula, Sahadeva and Yudhittila (Pali for > Yudhisthira) . >> Dhananjaya of the Kuru race (Arjuna) and Draupadi Svayamvara are > referred to >> in Dhumakari Jataka. The same work refers also to Yudhisthira as > an ancestor >> of the Kurus of Indapattana (i.e., Indraprastha) and also to > Vidurapandita. >> In addition to these Mahabharata characters, Krishna himself is > mentioned in >> Buddhist works such as Sutrapitaka and Lalitavistara. These works > are often >> hostile to Krishna and his teachings, but the very fact they found > it >> necessary to try to discredit him (and his teachings) shows that > he was >> accepted as a historical figure even by them >> >> Since Ashvalayana mentions the Mahabharata and its authors Jaimini > and >> Vaisampayana as ancient, at least a century must have elapsed > between the >> War and his time. He records that in his time plants sprouted > after the >> beginning of monsoon rains in the Hindu month of Bhadrapada. This > now takes >> place in Jyestha or Ashadha. This goes to show that the monsoon in > his time >> used to start in the month of Sravana instead of Jyestha as it > does today - >> a difference of about seventy days. This is due to a well-known > astronomical >> phenomenon called the 'precession of the equinoxes'. Seasons fall > back >> relative to the fixed stars (and the Hindu calendar which is based > on the >> fixed stars) by about one day every 72 years. >> >> What this means is that the beginning of monsoon noted by > Ashvalayana must >> have been taking place close to 5000 years ago or about 3000 > BC.Further, >> Ashvalayana pays homage to his teacher Kahola Kaushitaki who was > the sage of >> the Kaushitaki Brahmana. It mentions several Mahabharata > characters. It also >> mentions that the winter solstice - as the first day of winter is > called - >> took place on the day on which we now celebrate the Maha-Shivaratri >> festival. The winter solstice now falls on December 21, and the >> Maha-Shivaratri comes around March 1. This is due to the > precession of the >> equinoxes. This again means that from the time of Kahola > Kausitaki, the >> seasons have moved by about 70 days. So, 70 times 72 or about 5000 > years >> must have passed. This also supports a date of about 3100 BC for > the >> Mahabharata War. >> >> >> 5 Also see : http://d.scribd. com/docs/ 274mpdpk4nqfmu0i tpbt.pdf > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on > http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ -- Should you find yourself the victim of other people’s bitterness, ignorance, smallness or insecurities, remember things could have been worse – you could be one of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Dear Sri Sriharsha, Jesus Christ as we know was born in 4 BCE but Sri Krishna was born much before as Megasthenes in 325 BCE referred to him as the Indian Heracles (Hercules) of Mathura. S.K.Bhattacharjya --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Yamuna Harshavardhana <yamuna.harsha wrote: Yamuna Harshavardhana <yamuna.harshaRe: Re: Historical Krishna - a note Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 5:41 AM Sriharsha S. You could possibly refer to this site: www.historicalrama. org ThanksYamuna On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM, sripathi sriharsha <sripathi1 > wrote: What is your opinion about the date of Ramayana. Till now I haven't come across any sort of an archeological evidence in that regards. Also, what would be your comments in reference to the trend of Krishna and Christ being the same. Libraries and and net are filled with the same stuff. Your dating, 3008 BC and 0AD are far far away. Sriharsha. SI am an angel; the horns are just to keep the halo straight. prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ .co. in>Sunday, 1 March, 2009 11:35:29 AM Re: Historical Krishna - a note prafulla_mendki@ .co. in writes:Many wise people now believe that Mahabharata happened 5000yearsago(My claim is in 3008BC).However there are some people who are doing harm to Indian cultureand history by misleading masses.1)There are some archeologist or those who believe in views ofarcheologists that these histories are only 2000BC to 1500BCold.There are many authors who write books based on these assumptions. I wish to tell them that they must consider astronomyalso which is given in Ramayana and Mahabharata. Archeology alonecan not give correct answer.2)There are some who call themselves as scietists/astronome rs/historians who take help of sometimes astrology and give wrongmeaning to the old verses.Please note that Valmiki and Vyashad written observations of sky from astronomical point of viewand they are correct.But these people try to LABLE Valmiki or Vyasor Krishna as astrologers and they are unable to find the truth.At the same time they try to mislead masses.Please note that astrology has no base in science and any workdone from astrological point of view can not be and will not be accepted in the world. In this way we ourselves are losing faithin our own history.Recent example was govt.'s affidavite onRamayana.3) Third class of people who are doing harm are those who callthemselves to be scholars but mislead masses by saying that thesehistories happnened many lakhs of years ago. No scietific personor world will not believe this.4) Another class is those who are good astronomers but they fullyrely on western softwares and do not understand that these softwares are not designed for old times.They are good only after0 A.D..These people are professores, astronomers, scietists in reputedorganistions but they are not openminded and they are egoistic.They have power,they have resources,they have intelligence but they haveego and they do not listen to others.I therefore apeal to those crores of people in India who havesufficient intelligence to do calculations and ask themselvesfor truth.It is time for Indians to find truth themselves.You can readbooks of different views but please do not get biased.Use your own intelligence and decide.If you are interested to find truth,pl.read my book"Astronomyin Mahabharata"Please read first and the decide.Do not make half cooked decisions.prafulla_mendki@ .co. in , kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote:>> Other notes:> > > > Notes:> > http://www.hinduweb site.com/ history/krishna. asp > > > > 1. Krishna is also mentioned in Taittiriya Aranyaka X .i, vi> > 2. The Ghata Jataka (no 454) gives an account of Krishna's childhood> and subsequent exploits which in many points corresponds with the Brahmanic> legends of Krishna's life.> > 3. Jains have an elaborate system of ancient patriarchs and Krishna is> one of these patriarchs connected with Dwaraka.> > > > http://satyameva- jayate.org/ 2005/08/14/ a-search- for-the-historical-krishna/> > 4. We find the names of Mahabharata characters in Vedic literature —> Vicitravirya in Kathaka Samhita; Sikhandin Yajnasena in Kaushitaki Brahmana;> Janamejaya the grandson of Abhimanyu in Aitareya Brahmana; and Pariksita in> Shatapatha Brahmana. And the list is far from exhaustive.Among Buddhist> works Kunala Jataka mentions Krishnaa (i.e., Draupadi) in addition to> Bhimasena, Arjuna, Nakula, Sahadeva and Yudhittila (Pali for Yudhisthira) .> Dhananjaya of the Kuru race (Arjuna) and Draupadi Svayamvara are referred to> in Dhumakari Jataka. The same work refers also to Yudhisthira as an ancestor> of the Kurus of Indapattana (i.e., Indraprastha) and also to Vidurapandita.> In addition to these Mahabharata characters, Krishna himself is mentioned in> Buddhist works such as Sutrapitaka and Lalitavistara. These works are often> hostile to Krishna and his teachings, but the very fact they found it> necessary to try to discredit him (and his teachings) shows that he was> accepted as a historical figure even by them> > Since Ashvalayana mentions the Mahabharata and its authors Jaimini and> Vaisampayana as ancient, at least a century must have elapsed between the> War and his time. He records that in his time plants sprouted after the> beginning of monsoon rains in the Hindu month of Bhadrapada. This now takes> place in Jyestha or Ashadha. This goes to show that the monsoon in his time> used to start in the month of Sravana instead of Jyestha as it does today -> a difference of about seventy days. This is due to a well-known astronomical> phenomenon called the 'precession of the equinoxes'. Seasons fall back> relative to the fixed stars (and the Hindu calendar which is based on the> fixed stars) by about one day every 72 years.> > What this means is that the beginning of monsoon noted by Ashvalayana must> have been taking place close to 5000 years ago or about 3000 BC.Further,> Ashvalayana pays homage to his teacher Kahola Kaushitaki who was the sage of> the Kaushitaki Brahmana. It mentions several Mahabharata characters. It also> mentions that the winter solstice - as the first day of winter is called -> took place on the day on which we now celebrate the Maha-Shivaratri> festival. The winter solstice now falls on December 21, and the> Maha-Shivaratri comes around March 1. This is due to the precession of the> equinoxes. This again means that from the time of Kahola Kausitaki, the> seasons have moved by about 70 days. So, 70 times 72 or about 5000 years> must have passed. This also supports a date of about 3100 BC for the> Mahabharata War.> > > 5 Also see : http://d.scribd. com/docs/ 274mpdpk4nqfmu0i tpbt.pdf> Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 prafulla_mendki writes: According to me ,ShriRam was born in 5648BC(5649BCE). Prafulla , sripathi sriharsha <sripathi1 wrote: > > What is your opinion about the date of Ramayana. Till now I haven't come across any sort of an archeological evidence in that regards. Also, what would be your comments in reference to the trend of Krishna and Christ being the same. Libraries and and net are filled with the same stuff. Your dating, 3008 BC and 0AD are far far away. > > > Sriharsha. S > I am an angel; the horns are just to keep the halo straight. > > > > > > ________________________________ > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki > > Sunday, 1 March, 2009 11:35:29 AM > Re: Historical Krishna - a note > > > prafulla_mendki@ .co. in writes: > Many wise people now believe that Mahabharata happened 5000years > ago(My claim is in 3008BC). > However there are some people who are doing harm to Indian culture > and history by misleading masses. > 1)There are some archeologist or those who believe in views of > archeologists that these histories are only 2000BC to 1500BC > old.There are many authors who write books based on these > assumptions. I wish to tell them that they must consider astronomy > also which is given in Ramayana and Mahabharata. Archeology alone > can not give correct answer. > 2)There are some who call themselves as scietists/astronome rs/ > historians who take help of sometimes astrology and give wrong > meaning to the old verses.Please note that Valmiki and Vyas > had written observations of sky from astronomical point of view > and they are correct.But these people try to LABLE Valmiki or Vyas > or Krishna as astrologers and they are unable to find the truth. > At the same time they try to mislead masses. > Please note that astrology has no base in science and any work > done from astrological point of view can not be and will not be > accepted in the world. In this way we ourselves are losing faith > in our own history.Recent example was govt.'s affidavite on > Ramayana. > 3) Third class of people who are doing harm are those who call > themselves to be scholars but mislead masses by saying that these > histories happnened many lakhs of years ago. No scietific person > or world will not believe this. > 4) Another class is those who are good astronomers but they fully > rely on western softwares and do not understand that these > softwares are not designed for old times.They are good only after > 0 A.D..These people are professores, astronomers, scietists in reputed > organistions but they are not openminded and they are egoistic.They > have power,they have resources,they have intelligence but they have > ego and they do not listen to others. > I therefore apeal to those crores of people in India who have > sufficient intelligence to do calculations and ask themselves > for truth. > It is time for Indians to find truth themselves.You can read > books of different views but please do not get biased. > Use your own intelligence and decide. > If you are interested to find truth,pl.read my book " Astronomy > in Mahabharata " > Please read first and the decide.Do not make half cooked decisions. > prafulla_mendki@ .co. in > > , kishore patnaik > <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote: > > > > Other notes: > > > > > > > > Notes: > > > > http://www.hinduweb site.com/ history/krishna. asp > > > > > > > > 1. Krishna is also mentioned in Taittiriya Aranyaka X .i, vi > > > > 2. The Ghata Jataka (no 454) gives an account of Krishna's > childhood > > and subsequent exploits which in many points corresponds with the > Brahmanic > > legends of Krishna's life. > > > > 3. Jains have an elaborate system of ancient patriarchs and > Krishna is > > one of these patriarchs connected with Dwaraka. > > > > > > > > http://satyameva- jayate.org/ 2005/08/14/ a-search- for-the- > historical-krishna/ > > > > 4. We find the names of Mahabharata characters in Vedic > literature †" > > Vicitravirya in Kathaka Samhita; Sikhandin Yajnasena in Kaushitaki > Brahmana; > > Janamejaya the grandson of Abhimanyu in Aitareya Brahmana; and > Pariksita in > > Shatapatha Brahmana. And the list is far from exhaustive.Among > Buddhist > > works Kunala Jataka mentions Krishnaa (i.e., Draupadi) in addition > to > > Bhimasena, Arjuna, Nakula, Sahadeva and Yudhittila (Pali for > Yudhisthira) . > > Dhananjaya of the Kuru race (Arjuna) and Draupadi Svayamvara are > referred to > > in Dhumakari Jataka. The same work refers also to Yudhisthira as > an ancestor > > of the Kurus of Indapattana (i.e., Indraprastha) and also to > Vidurapandita. > > In addition to these Mahabharata characters, Krishna himself is > mentioned in > > Buddhist works such as Sutrapitaka and Lalitavistara. These works > are often > > hostile to Krishna and his teachings, but the very fact they found > it > > necessary to try to discredit him (and his teachings) shows that > he was > > accepted as a historical figure even by them > > > > Since Ashvalayana mentions the Mahabharata and its authors Jaimini > and > > Vaisampayana as ancient, at least a century must have elapsed > between the > > War and his time. He records that in his time plants sprouted > after the > > beginning of monsoon rains in the Hindu month of Bhadrapada. This > now takes > > place in Jyestha or Ashadha. This goes to show that the monsoon in > his time > > used to start in the month of Sravana instead of Jyestha as it > does today - > > a difference of about seventy days. This is due to a well-known > astronomical > > phenomenon called the 'precession of the equinoxes'. Seasons fall > back > > relative to the fixed stars (and the Hindu calendar which is based > on the > > fixed stars) by about one day every 72 years. > > > > What this means is that the beginning of monsoon noted by > Ashvalayana must > > have been taking place close to 5000 years ago or about 3000 > BC.Further, > > Ashvalayana pays homage to his teacher Kahola Kaushitaki who was > the sage of > > the Kaushitaki Brahmana. It mentions several Mahabharata > characters. It also > > mentions that the winter solstice - as the first day of winter is > called - > > took place on the day on which we now celebrate the Maha-Shivaratri > > festival. The winter solstice now falls on December 21, and the > > Maha-Shivaratri comes around March 1. This is due to the > precession of the > > equinoxes. This again means that from the time of Kahola > Kausitaki, the > > seasons have moved by about 70 days. So, 70 times 72 or about 5000 > years > > must have passed. This also supports a date of about 3100 BC for > the > > Mahabharata War. > > > > > > 5 Also see : http://d.scribd. com/docs/ 274mpdpk4nqfmu0i tpbt.pdf > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Well. Probably Achilles would be a better contrast I suppose. As one of my friend had once told, an anologue in regards to Krishna and Achilles is their death. The Achilles heel and the right foot thumb of Krishna. Sriharsha. SI am an angel; the horns are just to keep the halo straight. Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Sent: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009 5:02:06 AMRe: Re: Historical Krishna - a note Dear Sri Sriharsha, Jesus Christ as we know was born in 4 BCE but Sri Krishna was born much before as Megasthenes in 325 BCE referred to him as the Indian Heracles (Hercules) of Mathura. S.K.Bhattacharjya --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Yamuna Harshavardhana <yamuna.harsha@ gmail.com> wrote: Yamuna Harshavardhana <yamuna.harsha@ gmail.com>Re: Re: Historical Krishna - a noteTuesday, April 14, 2009, 5:41 AM Sriharsha S. You could possibly refer to this site: www.historicalrama. org ThanksYamuna On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM, sripathi sriharsha <sripathi1 > wrote: What is your opinion about the date of Ramayana. Till now I haven't come across any sort of an archeological evidence in that regards. Also, what would be your comments in reference to the trend of Krishna and Christ being the same. Libraries and and net are filled with the same stuff. Your dating, 3008 BC and 0AD are far far away. Sriharsha. SI am an angel; the horns are just to keep the halo straight. prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ .co. in>Sunday, 1 March, 2009 11:35:29 AM Re: Historical Krishna - a note prafulla_mendki@ .co. in writes:Many wise people now believe that Mahabharata happened 5000yearsago(My claim is in 3008BC).However there are some people who are doing harm to Indian cultureand history by misleading masses.1)There are some archeologist or those who believe in views ofarcheologists that these histories are only 2000BC to 1500BCold.There are many authors who write books based on these assumptions. I wish to tell them that they must consider astronomyalso which is given in Ramayana and Mahabharata. Archeology alonecan not give correct answer.2)There are some who call themselves as scietists/astronome rs/historians who take help of sometimes astrology and give wrongmeaning to the old verses.Please note that Valmiki and Vyashad written observations of sky from astronomical point of viewand they are correct.But these people try to LABLE Valmiki or Vyasor Krishna as astrologers and they are unable to find the truth.At the same time they try to mislead masses.Please note that astrology has no base in science and any workdone from astrological point of view can not be and will not be accepted in the world. In this way we ourselves are losing faithin our own history.Recent example was govt.'s affidavite onRamayana.3) Third class of people who are doing harm are those who callthemselves to be scholars but mislead masses by saying that thesehistories happnened many lakhs of years ago. No scietific personor world will not believe this.4) Another class is those who are good astronomers but they fullyrely on western softwares and do not understand that these softwares are not designed for old times.They are good only after0 A.D..These people are professores, astronomers, scietists in reputedorganistions but they are not openminded and they are egoistic.They have power,they have resources,they have intelligence but they haveego and they do not listen to others.I therefore apeal to those crores of people in India who havesufficient intelligence to do calculations and ask themselvesfor truth.It is time for Indians to find truth themselves.You can readbooks of different views but please do not get biased.Use your own intelligence and decide.If you are interested to find truth,pl.read my book"Astronomyin Mahabharata"Please read first and the decide.Do not make half cooked decisions.prafulla_mendki@ .co. in , kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote:>> Other notes:> > > > Notes:> > http://www.hinduweb site.com/ history/krishna. asp > > > > 1. Krishna is also mentioned in Taittiriya Aranyaka X .i, vi> > 2. The Ghata Jataka (no 454) gives an account of Krishna's childhood> and subsequent exploits which in many points corresponds with the Brahmanic> legends of Krishna's life.> > 3. Jains have an elaborate system of ancient patriarchs and Krishna is> one of these patriarchs connected with Dwaraka.> > > > http://satyameva- jayate.org/ 2005/08/14/ a-search- for-the-historical-krishna/> > 4. We find the names of Mahabharata characters in Vedic literature —> Vicitravirya in Kathaka Samhita; Sikhandin Yajnasena in Kaushitaki Brahmana;> Janamejaya the grandson of Abhimanyu in Aitareya Brahmana; and Pariksita in> Shatapatha Brahmana. And the list is far from exhaustive.Among Buddhist> works Kunala Jataka mentions Krishnaa (i.e., Draupadi) in addition to> Bhimasena, Arjuna, Nakula, Sahadeva and Yudhittila (Pali for Yudhisthira) .> Dhananjaya of the Kuru race (Arjuna) and Draupadi Svayamvara are referred to> in Dhumakari Jataka. The same work refers also to Yudhisthira as an ancestor> of the Kurus of Indapattana (i.e., Indraprastha) and also to Vidurapandita.> In addition to these Mahabharata characters, Krishna himself is mentioned in> Buddhist works such as Sutrapitaka and Lalitavistara. These works are often> hostile to Krishna and his teachings, but the very fact they found it> necessary to try to discredit him (and his teachings) shows that he was> accepted as a historical figure even by them> > Since Ashvalayana mentions the Mahabharata and its authors Jaimini and> Vaisampayana as ancient, at least a century must have elapsed between the> War and his time. He records that in his time plants sprouted after the> beginning of monsoon rains in the Hindu month of Bhadrapada. This now takes> place in Jyestha or Ashadha. This goes to show that the monsoon in his time> used to start in the month of Sravana instead of Jyestha as it does today -> a difference of about seventy days. This is due to a well-known astronomical> phenomenon called the 'precession of the equinoxes'. Seasons fall back> relative to the fixed stars (and the Hindu calendar which is based on the> fixed stars) by about one day every 72 years.> > What this means is that the beginning of monsoon noted by Ashvalayana must> have been taking place close to 5000 years ago or about 3000 BC.Further,> Ashvalayana pays homage to his teacher Kahola Kaushitaki who was the sage of> the Kaushitaki Brahmana. It mentions several Mahabharata characters. It also> mentions that the winter solstice - as the first day of winter is called -> took place on the day on which we now celebrate the Maha-Shivaratri> festival. The winter solstice now falls on December 21, and the> Maha-Shivaratri comes around March 1. This is due to the precession of the> equinoxes. This again means that from the time of Kahola Kausitaki, the> seasons have moved by about 70 days. So, 70 times 72 or about 5000 years> must have passed. This also supports a date of about 3100 BC for the> Mahabharata War.> > > 5 Also see : http://d.scribd. com/docs/ 274mpdpk4nqfmu0i tpbt.pdf> Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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