Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Dear Group, as promised I have posted on the Group website the file 'ConceptBrahman' with references to the Vedic texts that I have used to base my notion of that concept on. The following verse from the Br.hadaaran.yaka Upanis.ad (Advaita Ashrama Translation) has an interesting insight on the best way one should approach the gaining of the knowledge of brahman: Verse 4.4.21. The intelligent aspirant after Brahman, knowing about this alone, should attain intuitive knowledge. (He) should not think of too many words, for it is particularly fatiguing to the organ of speech. Something I should draw attention to about the concept is that although the texts teach that man and everything else in the the universe exist in brahman but that 'he' does not exist in us, man in general will feel (because brahman is said to be all-pervasive) that brahman or the Self (aatman) does exist in us, and thus be able to legitimately talk about the Self residing in their body. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Dear Bruce Duffy,Yes it requires a little bit of contemplation to realise than to express rigorously with words.However one can think of a simile . One can think of a bucket dipped in the seawater. The bucket is in the seawater and the seawater is in the bucket but one cannot say that the entire seawater is in the bucket. So also Brahman is within us as is he is everywhere but he is not entirely confined within the limited us as he is beyond limit. Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Bruce Duffy <bwduffy wrote:Bruce Duffy <bwduffy Concept of Brahman file posted Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 5:42 PM Dear Group, as promised I have posted on the Group website the file 'ConceptBrahman' with references to the Vedic texts that I have used to base my notion of that concept on. The following verse from the Br.hadaaran. yaka Upanis.ad (Advaita Ashrama Translation) has an interesting insight on the best way one should approach the gaining of the knowledge of brahman: Verse 4.4.21. The intelligent aspirant after Brahman, knowing about this alone, should attain intuitive knowledge. (He) should not think of too many words, for it is particularly fatiguing to the organ of speech. Something I should draw attention to about the concept is that although the texts teach that man and everything else in the the universe exist in brahman but that 'he' does not exist in us, man in general will feel (because brahman is said to be all-pervasive) that brahman or the Self (aatman) does exist in us, and thus be able to legitimately talk about the Self residing in their body. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yes, nicely put. The bucket is the upadhi, which is temporal, and is "creating" the difference. However this is the Advaitic view and you might find disagreement from someone Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:54:43 AMRe: Concept of Brahman file posted Dear Bruce Duffy,Yes it requires a little bit of contemplation to realise than to express rigorously with words.However one can think of a simile . One can think of a bucket dipped in the seawater. The bucket is in the seawater and the seawater is in the bucket but one cannot say that the entire seawater is in the bucket. So also Brahman is within us as is he is everywhere but he is not entirely confined within the limited us as he is beyond limit. Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Bruce Duffy <bwduffy (AT) netspace (DOT) net.au> wrote: Bruce Duffy <bwduffy (AT) netspace (DOT) net.au> Concept of Brahman file postedThursday, January 22, 2009, 5:42 PM Dear Group, as promised I have posted on the Group website the file 'ConceptBrahman' with references to the Vedic texts that I have used to base my notion of that concept on.The following verse from the Br.hadaaran. yaka Upanis.ad (Advaita Ashrama Translation) has an interesting insight on the best way one should approach the gaining of the knowledge of brahman:Verse 4.4.21. The intelligent aspirant after Brahman, knowing about this alone, should attain intuitive knowledge. (He) should not think of too many words, for it is particularly fatiguing to the organ of speech.Something I should draw attention to about the concept is that although the texts teach that man and everything else in the the universe exist in brahman but that 'he' does not exist in us, man in general will feel (because brahman is said to be all-pervasive) that brahman or the Self (aatman) does exist in us, and thus be able to legitimately talk about the Self residing in their body.Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Dear Sunil, thank you for the excellent simile.Bruce.On 23/01/2009, at 3:24 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya wrote:Dear Bruce Duffy,Yes it requires a little bit of contemplation to realise than to express rigorously with words.However one can think of a simile . One can think of a bucket dipped in the seawater. The bucket is in the seawater and the seawater is in the bucket but one cannot say that the entire seawater is in the bucket. So also Brahman is within us as is he is everywhere but he is not entirely confined within the limited us as he is beyond limit. Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Bruce Duffy <bwduffy (AT) netspace (DOT) net.au> wrote:Bruce Duffy <bwduffy (AT) netspace (DOT) net.au> Concept of Brahman file posted Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 5:42 PMDear Group, as promised I have posted on the Group website the file 'ConceptBrahman' with references to the Vedic texts that I have used to base my notion of that concept on.The following verse from the Br.hadaaran. yaka Upanis.ad (Advaita Ashrama Translation) has an interesting insight on the best way one should approach the gaining of the knowledge of brahman:Verse 4.4.21. The intelligent aspirant after Brahman, knowing about this alone, should attain intuitive knowledge. (He) should not think of too many words, for it is particularly fatiguing to the organ of speech.Something I should draw attention to about the concept is that although the texts teach that man and everything else in the the universe exist in brahman but that 'he' does not exist in us, man in general will feel (because brahman is said to be all-pervasive) that brahman or the Self (aatman) does exist in us, and thus be able to legitimately talk about the Self residing in their body.Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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