Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 puranichistory , " s00234 " <s00234 wrote: The lost history By Sudhanshu Ranade Though the controversy has got muffled under the crush of recent events, it will be resumed. But it will remain sterile; politicisation of the ancient past has eroded the credibility of the debate. Indeed, the shifty and shifting conclusions that both professional historians and sentimentalists have been drawing from the ancient literature of the Hindus, have pretty much led professionals to drop the stuff altogether as a source of evidence. This is a pity. By definition, history begins only with the availability of useful literature. Take away a nation's literature, and you take away its history. My main concern is about the `king lists' of the Puranas, painstakingly culled out and tabulated by F. Eden Pargiter, ICS, after 30 years of research (Oxford University Press, Oxford, 1922; copies are still in print). These cannot lightly be dismissed - they deserve critical scrutiny. Because they claim to go back 120 generations before Alexander and Chandragupta Maurya; because of the interconsistency between data about a dozen different dynasties taken from a dozen different sources; because of the way they innocently explain (unaware that one day they would be called upon to do so), the similarity between Latin and Sanskrit, the fact that the Aryans had horses; and because, unlike the `Aryan invasion', this evidence survived the test posed by the sudden and unexpected discovery of the Harappan civilisation - though the book itself was swept away by the flood of Harappan discoveries that began almost before the ink was dry, and has continued ever since. Historians sneer at histories that consist only of `lists of kings and queens and battles'. Yet such lists have their value. They are often the only available calendar. Both puranic and Vedic literature begin their history with Manu Vaivasvata, who goes back to that `ancient point in time where history begins to fade into mythology'. Manu, it is said, had nine `sons' (i.e. some sort of community had by then come into being in the Gangetic plains). Keeping aside the choicest portion for his tenth child, he divided the rest of his kingdom among these sons. Ikshvaku, the eldest and chief son, founder of the Solar dynasty, obtained Madhyadesh, and had his capital at Ayodhya. Downstream members of the main Ikshvaku line include Raja Harishchander ( 33) and Ram ( 65), the hero of the Ramayan. The dynasties founded by the other eight sons, including one near the mouth of the Narmada, lapsed into oblivion. The status of Manu's `tenth' child varies according to who tells the tale. According to one version, Ila was Manu's eldest son, but became a woman on account of a curse, during which time she bore a son. According to another version, Manu, after fathering nine sons, prayed for yet another son, but a daughter was born, namely Ila. According to both versions Ila's son, Pururavas Aila, founded the Lunar race or dynasty. What we have here is a contention for priority between the Ikshvakus and the Ailas. It was the Ikshvakus who at first `ruled the earth'. But the latter grew rapidly under Pururavas Aila and his descendants, pushing the Ikshvakus off centrestage. Pururavas's greatgrandson Yayati had under his control all of Madhyadesh west of the kingdom of Ayodhya, the northwest as far as the river Saraswati (in the divide between the Gangetic and Indus plains), and also the country south, and southeast of his capital at Pratishthan (Allahabad?). One of Yayati's wives, Devayani, was the daughter of the Bhargav rishi Ushanas-Shukra, who had his ashram on the banks of the Saraswati and is said to have earlier been `on the side of the danavs or asuras' in their great fight against the gods - who had the venerable Brihaspati on their side as guru or acharya. Since Yayati's other wife was the daughter of a Daitya-Danav- asura king, this means that not a single one of the five sons he divided his empire among could possibly have been of pure `Aryan' blood. This would naturally apply to downstream descendants as well, including the founder of the kingdoms of Gandhar ( 23) and Vidarbh ( 40), Dushyant ( 43), the heroes of the Rg Veda, (the `Bharatas' Divodas and Sudas: 63 and 68 respectively), and the Pauravs, Kauravs and Krishna ( 94). (The dynasty established at Gandhar is said to have flourished and spread out beyond to establish kingdoms in the `mleccha' countries outside the subcontinent.) The Haihayas, who too were descendants of Yayati, rose to power under Arjun Krtavirya ( 31). Plunder was their sole object; they were least interested in establishing an empire. Their raids continued for five or six generations and extended from the Gulf of Cambay in the west to Kashi in the east. The king of Ayodhya is reported to have been driven from his throne by the Haihaya-Talajanghas aided by Shakas, Yavanas, Kambojas, Paradas and Pahlavas from the northwest; suggesting that the kingdoms to its west had by then already been over-run. These, the first invaders according to puranic history, came along well before the Rg Vedic `Aryans', who were in any case homegrown. India was lashed by a second wave of invaders from the northwest 60 generations later, drawn in by the vacuum that followed the devastating Mahabharat war - which, according to the king lists, took place around 1000 BC and destroyed practically all the kings who took part in it (and almost all of them did), as well as most of those who would normally have succeeded them. (It is at about this time that Painted Grey Ware first appears on the subcontinent, and iron enters widespread use.) One last thing. According to the compendium on Harappa being put together by Gregory Possehl of Pennsylvania, brilliant and path- breaking (though as yet little known) research by the Pakistani archaeologist, M. R. Mughal, has proved beyond doubt that an important strand of the composite Harappan culture originated in, and radiated out from, the mid-course of the now defunct Saraswati - a little west of the Rajasthan border, in Pakistan's Cholistan. The Saraswati was a mighty river when the Harappan civilisation was at its peak; flowing all the way down to the Arabian Sea, perhaps through what is today the Rann of Kutch. Only vague, fragmented memories of the Harappans remained by the time the Vedic literature was compiled; and of the mighty Saraswati in which this ancient civilisation was to some extent anchored. The Rg Vedic Saraswati is a holy river, not a mighty one. The only description of a vedic sacrifice on the banks of the Saraswati, early in its course, at its junction with the Drshadvati, is to be found in the ancient Panchvimsa Brahmanas: according to which, a little way down, the river is `lost in the sands of the desert'. http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002/01/01/stories/200201010151130 0 ..htm --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 >puranichistory , " s00234 " <s00234 wrote: >The lost history >By Sudhanshu Ranade >Though the controversy has got muffled under the crush of recent >events, it will be resumed. But it will remain sterile; >politicisation of the ancient past has eroded the credibility of the >debate. Indeed, the shifty and shifting conclusions that both >professional historians and sentimentalists have been drawing from >the ancient literature of the Hindus, have pretty much led >professionals to drop the stuff altogether as a source of evidence. >This is a pity. By definition, history begins only with the >availability of useful literature. Take away a nation's literature, >and you take away its history. >My main concern is about the `king lists' of the Puranas, >painstakingly culled out and tabulated by F. Eden Pargiter, ICS, >after 30 years of research (Oxford University Press, Oxford, 1922; >copies are still in print). Hello: What is the title of the above work? thank-you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 The title is The Lost History. It is written by Sudhanshu Ranade. regards, Kishore patnaik , norenxaq <norenxaq wrote: > > > > >puranichistory , " s00234 " <s00234@> wrote: > > >The lost history > >By Sudhanshu Ranade > > >Though the controversy has got muffled under the crush of recent > >events, it will be resumed. But it will remain sterile; > >politicisation of the ancient past has eroded the credibility of the > >debate. Indeed, the shifty and shifting conclusions that both > >professional historians and sentimentalists have been drawing from > >the ancient literature of the Hindus, have pretty much led > >professionals to drop the stuff altogether as a source of evidence. > >This is a pity. By definition, history begins only with the > >availability of useful literature. Take away a nation's literature, > >and you take away its history. > > >My main concern is about the `king lists' of the Puranas, > >painstakingly culled out and tabulated by F. Eden Pargiter, ICS, > >after 30 years of research (Oxford University Press, Oxford, 1922; > >copies are still in print). > > > > > Hello: > > What is the title of the above work? > > thank-you > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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