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Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:30 PM[tied] Rams and ressurrection, a PIE myth???Cybalist <cybalist >

 

 

 

 

I'm comparing many Greek myths with another IE legendes, and found a curious link between diverse myths. Common elements include magical rams, lambs or goats; ressurrection of dismembered children or animals; infanticides; young boys taken by gods.

 

Medea and Pelias

When Jason returned with the fleece, Pelias still did not

relinquish his throne. So, Medea devised a plan to kill Pelias. She told

Pelias' daughters that she could make an old ram into a young ram. She then cut

the old ram into pieces and threw them into a cauldron and boiled them. When

Medea revealed the concoction to Pelias' daughters, out jumped a young ram. The

daughters were convinced and that night went into Pelias' room and chopped him

into tiny pieces. The daughters took the pieces to Medea for the boiling. When

the mixture was ready, the only thing in the cauldron was a smelly, gushy slop

and that was the end of Pelias.

 

Medea killing her sons

 

Medea fled Corinth in a chariot, drawn by winged dragons,

which belonged to her grandfather Helios. She took with her the bodies of her

two children, whom she had murdered in order to give Jason further pain.

 

Pelops ressurrected with ivory shoulder; taken by Poseidon

Pelops was the son of Tantalus and

the grandson of Zeus.

When he was a boy, his father cut him into pieces, stewed his flesh in a

cauldron, and served him as a feast for the gods. The gods detected the trick

and restored Pelops to life; a single piece of his shoulder had been eaten by Demeter, and this they

replaced with ivory. After his restoration, Pelops was an even more beautiful

young man than before; Poseidon fell

in love with him and gave him a winged chariot.

 

Atreus, Thyestes and Hermes' golden lamb

Atreus vowed to sacrifice the finest animal in his flock to Artemis; however, when he

discovered a golden lamb in the flock, he reneged on the promise and hid the

lamb away. At the same time his wife, Aerope, was having an affair with his

brother, Thyestes.

Aerope secretly gave the lamb to Thyestes, and Thyestes then got Atreus to

agree that the possessor of the golden lamb should be king. Thyestes produced

the lamb and seized the throne.

Atreus was determined to be king again. On the advice of Hermes,

he got Thyestes to agree to yield the throne when the sun ran backwards in its

course. Zeus then made the sun set in the east, and Atreus became king once

more, banishing Thyestes for good measure.

Thyestes eating his children

Later, Atreus learned of his wife's adultery and decided to

seek revenge for it. He invited Thyestes to return and be reconciled with him. He

killed Thyestes' sons, cut them up, and cooked everything except their hands

and feet. Then he served this meat at a banquet in Thyestes' honor. After

Thyestes had finished eating, Atreus produced the hands and feet, taunted his

brother with them, and banished him once more.

 

Peleus and Telamon killing his half-brother

Peleus and his brother Telamon killed their

half-brother, Phocus,

and had to flee Aegina. Phocus meant " seal " , who is called sometimes a " sea-sheep " . (cf. Heimdall and his metamorphosis)

 

Atreus and Thyestes killing his half-brother

Chrysippus, the son of Pelops and Axioche. He was

killed by his stepbrothers Atreus and Thyestes.

 

Golden fleece

The Golden Fleece was the treasure sought by Jason and the Argonauts.

It originated in the following fashion. Phrixus and Helle were the children of

Athamus and the goddess Nephele. When Athamas remarried, the

children's stepmother, Ino,

became jealous of them and plotted to get rid of them. She arranged to have

seed-corn roasted so that it would not sprout. When the crop failed, messengers

were sent to consult the oracle at Delphi, and Ino persuaded the messengers to

say that that the oracle required the sacrifice of Phrixus to restore fertility

to the fields. Before Phrixus could be sacrificed, however, Nephele sent a golden

ram which carried both children off through the air. Helle fell into the

Hellespont (which was named after her), but Phrixus arrived safely at Colchis,

where he married the daughter of King Aeetes. Phrixus sacrificed

the ram to Zeus,

and gave its pelt (the Golden Fleece) to Aeetes. Aeetes placed the fleece in an

oak tree, where it remained until Jason arrived to claim it.

Arcas killed and ressurrected

According to some ancient authors Lycaon made Zeus very

angry because he sacrificed on the god's altar a boy in honor to Zeus himself. Other

writers said that he invited Zeus to a banquet and offered him a meal,

containing meat from a roasted human being. Finally, there is also a story

about the sons of Lycaon, who cooked soup from the entrails of a sheep and a

goat, together with the entrails of their brother Nictimos. They presented this

meal to Zeus, who was visiting them as a simple traveler. Due to any of these

reasons Zeus transformed Lycaon and his sons into wolves (in Greek lykos means

" wolf " ) and also he sent a thunderbolt which struck Lycaon's house.

 

Thjálfi and the ressurrected butchered goats

Snorri relates in Gylfaginning

that when Thor

and Loki

visited the boy Þjálfi's family on their way to Jötunheimr,

Þjálfi cut open the bone of one of Thor's butchered goats in order to get at

the marrow. When Thor resurrected the goat, it could not walk properly. To

atone for this, Þjálfi and his sister Röskva

(Reap) had to serve Thor as his thralls, accompanying him and Loki on their journey to the

land of the giants

where the boy competed in a footrace against Útgarða-Loki's

thought, Hugi.

Akhiles-Ligyron-Pyrisoos

Akhiles was

the only son (there were 7 or 8) of Thetis saved; his burnt body was regenerated with only a lost

bone (heel), replaced by Damasen's bone.

Bhis.ma

The 7 Vasus

was cursed and obligated to reincarnate as sons of River-goddess Ganga. All

died except one, who became Bhis.ma.

 

Kumara

Kumara-Karttikeya

born as six children, merged into only one boy.

 

Heimdallr

Heimdall

was linked to ram; seal-shapeshifting; son of 7 mothers.

 

JS Lopes

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