Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Indo-Eurasian_research , " STAAL, Frits " <fritsstaal wrote: I have a draft of some pages on Dumezil on the Vedas for a forthcoming book that I am willing to share with specially interested people. It will take some time for me to send them as I have no E-mail at the moment and am sitting occasionally in an internetcafe as I am doing presently. So please gime me the E-mail address of the one person to whom to send this before long if there is such a person. On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 04:09:52 -0000 " esocialsciencenews2005 " <esocialsciencenews2005 wrote: > > > [Moderator's note. We've said that on weekends we will free things up a bit, if traffic is low, >for off-topic posts. We get a large number of off-topic posts every week, and to try to keep the >discussion on track we often ask the senders via email to hold off discussion until another time, >since many of those topics cover issues that we expect that the List will discuss in a focused >way at a later date. Other of these posts are harder to classify. Here is one example, which >involves questions about Georges Dum & #65533;zil; Dum & #65533;zil's name may in fact be raised by someone when we >discuss Eurasian comparative mythology -- at least one List member (Nick Allen) has a deep >interest in Dum & #65533;zil's work. I'm not sure what reaction if any this post will raise, but it is >Sunday, and here it is. -- saf] > > > Today the tripartite ideas of Georges Dum & #65533;zil's are often identified > with the `New Right'in France (which is neither right nor left of > course),Jean-Marie-le Pen ,Alain de Benoist , Synergies Europ & #65533;ennes, > and so on. > > Does anybody on this list knows how sound some of the other ideas of > Georges Dum & #65533;zil (mentioned under the heading " Nordic Orientalism " in a > soon to be released book by )are from an academic point of view ? > > And who are some of the academics today, that follow in the footsteps > of the traditionalism (sometimes called perenialism )of Mirceau Eliade > (I use `traditionalism' here in the sense Mark Sedgwick's " Against > the Modern World " ) and Georges Dum & #65533;zil ? > >For example perennialist,traditionalist, positions sometimes divide, > for example mystical experiences, into a few basic categories that > transcend cultural boundaries but are described in culturally bound > language. Thus Traditionalists often do not refer to the customary > rites and practices which anthropologists study today (April 2005) nor > do they accept the utilitarian approach of Edmund Burke and Russell > Kirk, who treat it as the accumulated wisdom of former ages; rather > they view it as a transhistorical body of principles under girding the > world's religions. Tradition in his view is that which is immutable > and perpetually reborn in a people's experience of its history, for it > is rooted in a people's primordial substratum (hence the term > 'traditionalism'which ofcourse ever since Alfred Rosenberg has been > also p'oliticised'). > > John Hopkins > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Indo-Eurasian_research , Michael Witzel <witzel wrote: [Mod.'s note: Many thanks, Wolfgang, for the biblio! Let members read these papers and postpone further discussion until later. (I like Brough's indicating a tripartite Hebrew Bible!). Rather, we should now begin with Shamanism/Soma, as George Thompson has done.] MW On Apr 18, 2005, at 10:15 PM, root wrote: > > You're probably aware of these critical discussions on the political > role(s) of Dumezil (a) and the value of his tripartite model from an > Indo-Europeanist (b) and a classicist/history of religions © > perspective, but just in case ... > > (a) > Didier ERIBON, Faut-il bruler Dumezil. Mythologie, science et > politique, > Paris: Flammarion 1992. > > (b) > F.B.J. KUIPER, " SOme observations on Dumezil's Theory " , NUmen 8 (1961) > J. GONDA, " Some observations on Dumezil's vie of Indo-European > mythology " , Mnemosyne IV (1960). > J. BROUGH, " The tripartite ideology of the Indo-Europeans: an > experiment > in method " , Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies 22 > (1959). > E. POLOME, " Views on the developments in Indo-European religion during > the last decade " , in: Miscellanea Indo-Europea (JIES monographs; 33), > Washington: INstitute for the Study of man, 1999. > > © > Wouter BELIER, Decayed gods: The origin and development of Georges > Dumezil's 'ideologie tripartite' (Studies in Greek and Roman religion; > 7), eiden : EJ Brill, 1991 > > Cheers, > Wolfgang > > Michael Witzel Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies, Harvard University 1 Bow Street , Cambridge MA 02138 1-617-495 3295 Fax: 496 8571 direct line: 496 2990 http://witzel/~witzel/mwpage.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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