Aryan INvasion Theory

September 17, 2008

The nullification of the Aryan Invasion Theory Aryan Invasion Theory raises questions as to who " Aryans " were, whether there was an " Invasion " and how much substantiation the " Theory " has.

Looking at the word " Aryan " first. It is no mere coincidence that the word " Ayya " of South India is similar to Arya. Indeed the two are one and the same and mean " The Great One " or " Noble One " . In fact, the interesting point remains that the names having " Ayya " such as " Ayyaswamy " or " Ramayya " or " Subbaiah " are all primarily humble South Indian names especially amongst the common mass that is least influenced by urbane elitist nomenclature syndromes. Until this day the elder is called " Ayya " in the South without any bar. Many traditions use this term to call the Father or Grandfather. Farther away, in South East Asia, " Aya " stands for Father – certainly no racial reference there!

The Pasupati seal discovered from the Sarasvati-Sindhu sites bears a stark similarity to our popular Ayyappan. Now, if indeed they are one and the same (of which I have little doubt), how is the name " Ayya " already part of the deity that predates the arrival of the so-called " Aryans " ? Or did the so-called " Dravidians " rename their favourite god after their so-mentioned " Enemies " ? Doesn't make sense does it? I don't ever believe we would ever rename our Saraswati " MaCaulay " any day, would we? See this title: http://medhajournal.com/content/view/472/156/

Invasion: Who invaded who? Pastorals invaded the City dwellers? Why? What value did the city hold for them – they who wanted green pastures for their cattle, they who did not hitherto have a money economy nor a settled lifestyle and therefore could not have been over a few thousand to a tribe, they who, because of their lifestyle, could not have had a unitary government system to drive them together into attacking an alien fortified centralised administrative set-up. Who were the invaders here? How did they invade the North-Western parts of the subcontinent? For what? None of these questions has a substantial answer. Never in recorded history is there any evidence of a pastoral tribe overthrowing a more civilized people, so how does it seem probable in the hoary past?

There is more to 'Dravidian' and 'Aryan' in detail here: http://medhajournal.com/component/option,com_myblog/show,Hinduism-through-History-Part--2B-.html/Itemid,185/

-- Riverine

September 18, 2008

Hi All,

Here is something more on the myth of Aryan Invasion Theory and its politics:

Aryan Race Politics

The invention of the Aryan race was another political play. This was a product of the 19th century imperialistic British mind. This theory was:

The fair skinned nomads of the Aryan race, arrived in their horse chariots. (Horse chariots are the vehicles of the plains not of nomads traveling along untreaded paths in high mountains.)

Aryans invaded the far advanced Indus civilization. (How, without the superior technology of the Indus people? It is not a small island, to invade and conquer, but a densely populated area of 1.5 million square kilometers! )

The invasion theory suggests that the Vedic Aryans destroyed the Dravidian Indus townships. (Sculptures, paintings, and texts from Egypt and Mesopotamia clearly illustrate battles between cities and wars of conquest. But the SS civilization does not depict a military act, of taking prisoners, or of human killings. None of the cities show signs of battle damage to buildings or city walls, and very few weapons have been recovered. Human remains show no signs of violence either. The bones from excavated burials show few signs of disease or malnourishment. Where is the evidence of this distruction?)

Aryans pushed the dark people of Dravid race to the south. (And who did the Dravidians conquer and displace?)

White Aryans enslaved the dark Dravidians, by imposing the caste system. (British got this idea from their peers. The White skinned Europeans had enslaved the dark skinned Africans. Hindus do not know of slavery. Ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans and Chinese built monuments, palaces, walls and pyramids with slavery. NOT THE HINDU.)

Aryans established the superior white and inferior black school of thought. (As a matter of fact, Aryan heroes are black. Ram, Krishna, Draupadi, Seeta, Damayanti, Rukmini ... all are black. Dravidian Ravana, on the other hand, the villian of Ramayan is fair!) Aryans then settled on the banks of river Sarasvati in 1500BC. (Archeology has proved that Sarasvati had ceased to flow long before, at least 400 years before 1500 BC.)

Aryans brought the Proto Indo-European language with them from which Sanskrit developed. The Hittite, Greek etc also developed from the Proto Indo-European. (Linguistic changes are more rapid in unsettled communities than in more settled communities. Thus the language of the invading and unsettled Aryans should have changed a lot from the IE; more than Hittite changed from IE. But, Vedic is the least altered language. Thus the Aryans were certainly a very much settled community of India, and not nomadic invaders as pictured by AIT.) [3]

In the following 1000 years, by the birth of Buddha, Aryans developed Sanskrit language, invented writing script, created the 6 philosophies, 4 Veda in numerous sakhas or recensions, so many Upanishads, Sutras, Ramayan, Mahabharat, Smrutis, some Puraans etc. (That is faster than light! For comparison it took 1500 years to create the Bible, which is 1/4th the size of Mahabharat. Obviously a lot more than a 1000 years had gone by to develop Veda, Upanishad, Ramayan, Mahabharat etc.)

Aryans renamed all the landscape formations in Sanskrit. (So many provinces and rivers of the USA retain their Red-Indian names, even after the European invasion has nearly wiped out the Red-Indian civilization. Where are the pre-Aryan names?)

Aryans wrote tons of literature. (Surprisingly, nowhere they mention their original land, or the invasion / migration.)

According to AIT, the people of the Indus Valley are not the ancestors of the people that live in the Punjab, Sindh, Rajasthan and Gujrat today. (Interstingly, skeletal remains found in the Harappan sites show the same genetic attributes as that of people the of Punjab and Gujarat today.)

AIT proposes: The Aryans and their gods arrived after the demise of Indus civilization. (Then why do the seals of Indus depict mother goddess, Pashupati, Shiva-linga, Shaligram, fire altars, and swastik seals?)

AIT proposes: The Dravidians were supressed by the Aryans. (Fact remains that all major Hindu revivers, definers and pillars are so called Dravidians. Adi Shankaracharya, Madhavacharya, Ramanujam to name a few.) According to AIT, the illitrate Aryans soon after the invasion, produced the Vedic literature of high philosophical, and spiritual value. But the literate, archeologically attested native culture left behind nothing but some seals. This is a ridiculous proposition. Last but not the least, the mitochondrial DNA extracted from the bones of Neanderthal people indicate that they are not related to modern Europeans or any other living humans (Krings et al., 1997 , Ovchinnikov et al., 2000 ). Thus the modern people of Europe all immigrated from elsewhere. Thus the Aryan Invasion / Migration more likely happened not from West to East, but from East to West, from India to the Europe!

'Arya' is a term similar in meaning to the Sanskrit word Sri. We could equate it with the English word Sir. On the Aryan Race lines we can conclude that, a race of men named 'sir' took over England in the Middle Ages and dominated the natives, because most of the people in power in the country were called sir. - David Frawley

Every Indian needs to be educated of the foul play in the Aryan theory. One must have this background before one blindly accepts this idea, and tries to divide the Hindu on the basis of the Aryan and Dravidian lines. References:

The Aryan-Dravidian divide - David Frawley Death of the Aryan Invasion Theory - By Stephen Knapp A new date for the RgVeda - Dr. Nicholas Kazanas Wikipedia encyclopedia Iridis encyclopedia

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Yamuna Harshavardhana <yamuna.harsha wrote:

Yamuna Harshavardhana <yamuna.harsha Aryan INvasion Theory Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 9:07 AM

The nullification of the Aryan Invasion Theory Aryan Invasion Theory raises questions as to who "Aryans" were, whether there was an "Invasion" and how much substantiation the "Theory" has.Looking at the word "Aryan" first. It is no mere coincidence that the word "Ayya" of South India is similar to Arya. Indeed the two are one and the same and mean "The Great One" or "Noble One". In fact, the interesting point remains that the names having "Ayya" such as "Ayyaswamy" or "Ramayya" or "Subbaiah" are all primarily humble South Indian names especially amongst the common mass that is least influenced by urbane elitist nomenclature syndromes. Until this day the elder is called "Ayya" in the South without any bar. Many traditions use this term to call the Father or Grandfather. Farther away, in South East Asia, "Aya" stands for Father – certainly no racial reference there!The Pasupati seal discovered from the Sarasvati-Sindhu

sites bears a stark similarity to our popular Ayyappan. Now, if indeed they are one and the same (of which I have little doubt), how is the name "Ayya" already part of the deity that predates the arrival of the so-called "Aryans"? Or did the so-called "Dravidians" rename their favourite god after their so-mentioned "Enemies"? Doesn't make sense does it? I don't ever believe we would ever rename our Saraswati "MaCaulay" any day, would we? See this title: http://medhajournal.com/content/view/472/156/Invasion: Who invaded who? Pastorals invaded the City dwellers? Why? What value did the city hold for them – they who wanted green pastures for their cattle, they who did not hitherto have a money economy nor a settled lifestyle and therefore could not have been over a few thousand to a tribe, they who, because of their lifestyle, could not have had a unitary

government system to drive them together into attacking an alien fortified centralised administrative set-up. Who were the invaders here? How did they invade the North-Western parts of the subcontinent? For what? None of these questions has a substantial answer. Never in recorded history is there any evidence of a pastoral tribe overthrowing a more civilized people, so how does it seem probable in the hoary past?There is more to 'Dravidian' and 'Aryan' in detail here: http://medhajournal.com/component/option,com_myblog/show,Hinduism-through-History-Part--2B-.html/Itemid,185/

-- Riverine

September 24, 2008

Good remark <yamuna.harsha wrot

>

> The nullification of the Aryan Invasion Theory

>

> Aryan Invasion Theory raises questions as to who " Aryans " were,

whether

> there was an " Invasion " and how much substantiation the " Theory "

has.

> Looking at the word " Aryan " first. It is no mere coincidence that

the word

> " Ayya " of South India is similar to Arya. Indeed the two are one

and the

> same and mean " The Great One " or " Noble One " . In fact, the

interesting point

> remains that the names having " Ayya " such as " Ayyaswamy "

or " Ramayya " or

> " Subbaiah " are all primarily humble South Indian names especially

amongst

> the common mass that is least influenced by urbane elitist

nomenclature

> syndromes. Until this day the elder is called " Ayya " in the South

without

> any bar. Many traditions use this term to call the Father or

Grandfather.

> Farther away, in South East Asia, " Aya " stands for Father –

certainly no

> racial reference there!

> The Pasupati seal discovered from the Sarasvati-Sindhu sites bears

a stark

> similarity to our popular Ayyappan. Now, if indeed they are one and

the same

> (of which I have little doubt), how is the name " Ayya " already part

of the

> deity that predates the arrival of the so-called " Aryans " ? Or did

the

> so-called " Dravidians " rename their favourite god after their so-

mentioned

> " Enemies " ? Doesn't make sense does it? I don't ever believe we

would ever

> rename our Saraswati " MaCaulay " any day, would we? See this title:

> http://medhajournal.com/content/view/472/156/

> Invasion: Who invaded who? Pastorals invaded the City dwellers?

Why? What

> value did the city hold for them – they who wanted green pastures

for their

> cattle, they who did not hitherto have a money economy nor a settled

> lifestyle and therefore could not have been over a few thousand to

a tribe,

> they who, because of their lifestyle, could not have had a unitary

> government system to drive them together into attacking an alien

fortified

> centralised administrative set-up. Who were the invaders here? How

did they

> invade the North-Western parts of the subcontinent? For what? None

of these

> questions has a substantial answer. Never in recorded history is

there any

> evidence of a pastoral tribe overthrowing a more civilized people,

so how

> does it seem probable in the hoary past?

> There is more to 'Dravidian' and 'Aryan' in detail here:

> http://medhajournal.com/component/option,com_myblog/show,Hinduism-

through-History-Part--2B-.html/Itemid,185/

>

> -- Riverine

>

September 25, 2008

THAT IS SIMPLY GREAT. ARCHAEOASTRONOMY ALSO SUGGESTS ARYAN-ASTRO RECORDS SUGGEST A DECCAN LOCATION.

WHAT ABOUT MY FRIEND AYYAPPAN AND MY LORD THE AYYAPPA ?

-

shivendra_saroj

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:42 PM

Re: Aryan INvasion Theory

Good remark <yamuna.harsha wrot>> The nullification of the Aryan Invasion Theory> > Aryan Invasion Theory raises questions as to who "Aryans" were, whether> there was an "Invasion" and how much substantiation the "Theory" has.> Looking at the word "Aryan" first. It is no mere coincidence that the word> "Ayya" of South India is similar to Arya. Indeed the two are one and the> same and mean "The Great One" or "Noble One". In fact, the interesting point> remains that the names having "Ayya" such as "Ayyaswamy" or "Ramayya" or> "Subbaiah" are all primarily humble South Indian names especially amongst> the common mass that is least influenced by urbane elitist nomenclature> syndromes. Until this day the elder is called "Ayya" in the South without> any bar. Many traditions use this term to call the Father or Grandfather.> Farther away, in South East Asia, "Aya" stands for Father – certainly no> racial reference there!> The Pasupati seal discovered from the Sarasvati-Sindhu sites bears a stark> similarity to our popular Ayyappan. Now, if indeed they are one and the same> (of which I have little doubt), how is the name "Ayya" already part of the> deity that predates the arrival of the so-called "Aryans"? Or did the> so-called "Dravidians" rename their favourite god after their so-mentioned> "Enemies"? Doesn't make sense does it? I don't ever believe we would ever> rename our Saraswati "MaCaulay" any day, would we? See this title:> http://medhajournal.com/content/view/472/156/> Invasion: Who invaded who? Pastorals invaded the City dwellers? Why? What> value did the city hold for them – they who wanted green pastures for their> cattle, they who did not hitherto have a money economy nor a settled> lifestyle and therefore could not have been over a few thousand to a tribe,> they who, because of their lifestyle, could not have had a unitary> government system to drive them together into attacking an alien fortified> centralised administrative set-up. Who were the invaders here? How did they> invade the North-Western parts of the subcontinent? For what? None of these> questions has a substantial answer. Never in recorded history is there any> evidence of a pastoral tribe overthrowing a more civilized people, so how> does it seem probable in the hoary past?> There is more to 'Dravidian' and 'Aryan' in detail here:> http://medhajournal.com/component/option,com_myblog/show,Hinduism-through-History-Part--2B-.html/Itemid,185/> > -- Riverine>

September 25, 2008

Shivendra Saroj

Can you pl. give more details?

What I was implying is that the terms " Aryan " and " Dravidian " are not racial as they are used by the " hostorians " of 19th-20th centuries. Aryan is a noble person, Dravida is a learned person, that's all, irrespective of physical details.

There is a lot of steam generated about The Sarasvati-Sindhu time vs Mahabharata period and whether the Vedics were in either or both periods, etc, etc and whether Skr. should be accepted as the " mother " of Indo-Euro-Irano languages or not...more in detail soon...

Thanks

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:26 AM, ODDISILAB <oddisilab1 wrote:

THAT IS SIMPLY GREAT. ARCHAEOASTRONOMY ALSO SUGGESTS ARYAN-ASTRO RECORDS SUGGEST A DECCAN LOCATION.

WHAT ABOUT MY FRIEND AYYAPPAN AND MY LORD THE AYYAPPA ?

-

shivendra_saroj

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:42 PM

Re: Aryan INvasion Theory

Good remark <yamuna.harsha wrot>> The nullification of the Aryan Invasion Theory> > Aryan Invasion Theory raises questions as to who " Aryans " were, whether> there was an " Invasion " and how much substantiation the " Theory "

has.> Looking at the word " Aryan " first. It is no mere coincidence that the word> " Ayya " of South India is similar to Arya. Indeed the two are one and the> same and mean " The Great One " or " Noble One " . In fact, the

interesting point> remains that the names having " Ayya " such as " Ayyaswamy " or " Ramayya " or> " Subbaiah " are all primarily humble South Indian names especially

amongst> the common mass that is least influenced by urbane elitist nomenclature> syndromes. Until this day the elder is called " Ayya " in the South without> any bar. Many traditions use this term to call the Father or

Grandfather.> Farther away, in South East Asia, " Aya " stands for Father – certainly no> racial reference there!> The Pasupati seal discovered from the Sarasvati-Sindhu sites bears a stark

> similarity to our popular Ayyappan. Now, if indeed they are one and the same> (of which I have little doubt), how is the name " Ayya " already part of the> deity that predates the arrival of the so-called " Aryans " ? Or did

the> so-called " Dravidians " rename their favourite god after their so-mentioned> " Enemies " ? Doesn't make sense does it? I don't ever believe we would ever> rename our Saraswati " MaCaulay " any day, would we? See this title:

> http://medhajournal.com/content/view/472/156/> Invasion: Who invaded who? Pastorals invaded the City dwellers? Why? What> value did the city hold for them – they who wanted green pastures

for their> cattle, they who did not hitherto have a money economy nor a settled> lifestyle and therefore could not have been over a few thousand to a tribe,> they who, because of their lifestyle, could not have had a unitary

> government system to drive them together into attacking an alien fortified> centralised administrative set-up. Who were the invaders here? How did they> invade the North-Western parts of the subcontinent? For what? None

of these> questions has a substantial answer. Never in recorded history is there any> evidence of a pastoral tribe overthrowing a more civilized people, so how> does it seem probable in the hoary past?

> There is more to 'Dravidian' and 'Aryan' in detail here:> http://medhajournal.com/component/option,com_myblog/show,Hinduism-

through-History-Part--2B-.html/Itemid,185/> > -- Riverine>

September 29, 2008

Dr.

By " Chidambaram revolves around Thiruvannamalai " I meant that all or most of the history/itihaasa of Chidambaram (either as famous " Utsava Moorthy " Nataraja or the " Moolavar " Ekambareswarar) has a root in Thiruvannamalai. In fact the first " vision " of Nataraja to a mortal is said to have been to the saint Manikkavasagar who came here after having composed the famous Thiruvaasagam in THiruvannamalai. See this: http://riverine.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/02/a-story-for-you-.htm

Thiruvannamalai is about 150 km or so to the North West of Chidambaram (about 200 km south West of Chennai).

I sincerely do not know how the seers perceive " magnetism " . Personally, even before I came to know about this attribute of Thiruvannamalai, there was a certain sensation of wanting to remain there and wanting to return there afterwards, which I have been doing though infrequently. Through the ages there have been great yogis there. YOu can read more about them at this site here: http://davidgodman.org/

The legends relating to the temple are found on this site: www.foodforsoul.net Please see the Thiruvannamalai section under Bharatavarsha

Hope these are of some use...

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:52 AM, ODDISILAB <oddisilab1 wrote:

Please explain to me what does the following physically and visually mean ? " Chidambaram revolves around Thiruvannamalai " and " Magnetism " ?

On a map, the wherebouts of Thiruvannamalai ?

Dr.Bhattacharya

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Yamuna Harshavardhana

Friday, September 26, 2008 12:15 PM

Re: Re: Aryan INvasion Theory

Dr. Bhattacharya

'Ray' seems very much like 'Arya'. However, there is yet another possibility for the root of 'Ray'. The term 'Rajan' = king and it means Ra=grant/bestow jan=giving birth to/begetting (thereby being the father of) implying " Rajan " as " the Giving Father " . The letters 'j' and 'y' are used interchangeably in many languages and so Raja is the same as Raya and perhaps the same as Roy and Ray also. In the West we see Roi in French with the same meaning and Royal in English is kingly.

Whether Arya and Rajan/Raya have the same roots I do not know.

There are some places that the great seers consider to be Cosmic Centers on Earth. One such place is Thiruvannamalai. Chidambaram revolves around Thiruvannamalai and although both places are considered extremely sacred Saivite shrines, Thiruvannamalai has the greatest position and its unique magnetism for seers has remained undiminished through the ages. Possibly what you talk of the latitudes detarmining the visibility of the stars through the ages play a role in this magnetism to prevail. I strongly believe that it does.

-- Riverine

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:36 AM, ODDISILAB <oddisilab1 wrote:

See this paper. Read it thoroughly. Use it to your best. There are other papers.

[background- My family grand oldies claim that we are said to be Rik Vedics, Siddhantims of the Mandana Misra school, who are said have ran away (and sought refuge in the kingdoms between Nepal-Kalinga...they had nothing to do with regions south of 18 deg lat.) from the Ganga-Jamuna plains when Buddhism had swept such regions. No personal attachments, sentiments, nothing].

The Rudra nakshatra astronomically never crosses 7deg north lat. Present India starts from 8deg. north lat. The Indian continent has been shifting northwards say by an order of 2cm/year. In 10,000 yrs it works out to 20,000cms = 20 kms. This nakshatra is the star Betelgeuse alias alpha Orion i.e. the first star of Constellation Orion - Kalapurusa Mandala. It is also the northen most star of the constellation. The constellation is the most spectacular of all in the entire naked span of the visible universe. Therefore the Kala-purusa is a southern member. As on 2008, Rudra is at its northern most point. 200-300 years from now it will start moving south. It will take 27,000 yrs to make a full cycle and come back to its present position. If any person at present has a location of around 20deg north lat. and goes out in the month of Nov. post mid night she/he will be able to see Rudra nakshatra almost above his head and the whole of the Kalapurusa mandala slightly towards the south. People to the north of 21deg north lat. will not have such view. To them the Rudra will be clearly towards the south. So north Indians did not have the Kalapurusa mandala (or any of its 11 constituent stars) on their head at least for last 27,000 yrs before present. That is for sure. However due to the presence of the earths environment and the wide space, human vision system experiences something called parallax. This makes a star that is as far as the Kalapurusa mandala is, appear to the naked eye as more or less at zenith (head top) at location up to Bhubaneswar (20deg north). The apparent cyclic of 27000yrs is due to the wobbling of the earth along its axis and not because Rudra or Kalapurusa go around in such manner. The mind of the faithfull of yore conceived the celestial location of the Rudra and the Kalapurusa mandala using naked eye. As the Kalapurusa would presses to its southern most point it would be almost invisible form most of the location north of 20deg north lat. Its return heralds a epoch (kala).

In Hindu text. There are numerous allusion to return of the star(s).

This means the Saraswati valley dwellers could never had any of the stars of the Orion, even visually (after lot of compromise) around their head top position (approximate zenith).

On the other hand the Rudra nakshatra has been most vociferously sung in the Rik. The citations are mostly in reference to time and space and also function, attributes.........etc. The Rik Veda means " elemental plurality'. It is an abstract document. There is no term Hindu in it. There is also no term called Dharma, Arya, Dravida, etc. It keps on harping, that each is the other and all together make a way of life....(says much more).

The Rik is some sort of an treatise on time in the space and location in the space in relation to time and direction. It uses arcane phones often with infracting (by present day standards) present continuous tense.

Therefore many other stars and astral movements also find mention. Non however can be related to the north India over head position. (refer Standar Star Charts or Star Globe).

That such type of treaties, averments or anything alike does not have as much prominence in the Nile-Tigris-Greek thought suggests that the Rik is a non import (native authored and indegenous). No pastoral society has ever been related to the Nile-Tigris-Greek-Rome. Relating them to the Rik has to be made evidence based. Interestingly, i have come across numerous art members in south India, that can be interpreted as anti-pastoral or as signature of victory aganist pastoral representatives. There are others again in south India, which can be interpreted as pro pastoral representatives.

If from location 20deg north lat. Rudra may appear over head twice a year in the night sky, then logically from all locations of south India, the entire Kalapurusa mandala would appear to the naked eye as on head top (zenith). Geomorphologically, the Satpur-Vindhya-Maikal ranges are the ground level (north-south) divider. From its north, Rudra and Kalapurusa will appear as southern members. From its south vicinity Rudra alone is apparently on the zenith and rest of the Kalapurusa mandala continue to appear as southern members. As one marches down further south, at about 12deg north (Chidambaram Lat) the mid belt star (epsilon Orion) of the Kalapurusa mandala become visually co-incident with the apparent zenith. Guddimalam and Sri Kala-hasti (both ~14deg north, Dist Chitoor, AP), Chidambaram (12deg N, Tamil Nadu) have various aspects of the celestial events or phenomenons as installed deities. Orissa too has much similar vestiges. See the attached paper.

The Kalapurusa mandala is much alike the trapezium laid out in front of the squatting male shown in the (so termed) Pasupati clay tablet of the Harrapa (J.P.Jhosi & A Parpola, MASI). The constellation in the sky has 11 stars. We have identified them as the Ekadas Rudras. The Harrappa Pasupati clay tablets has no stars, whatsoever (harappa=is another ayappa = great/good personage ?). I found that the Sri Kala-hasti anicon has 27 stars etched on it, laid out in 9 layers. Much as alike in our Paper - TARAKA, IJHS, Indian National Science Academy -2005 (we have 3 layers of 9 stars each). The Yajur veda mentions 27 nakshatras. This is the number that make up the entire visible span of the Indian night sky. The term Sri Kala-hasti alludes to 'time embodying personage'. I ask why so much in so little of geo-space ? I find that that the region is geo-strategically also very secluded and secure. Meterologically calm. (this Para is for only topical levity. Please do not accord yourself the apparent comfort that i am tendering any conclusion or any valid direction and consequently mislead your own self). I include this because, much of the Hindu built heritage in the north has been done to dust. Security of heritage was a top national priority post c.10th A.D. Thus arises the possibility of mimansa i.e compromise between societies that felt threatend. The members in the east and in the south are much intact. Much of these extant members were built post c.10th A.D.

Couple of finds should not in haste be generalised as representative. Therefore wide based, long scope and very deep inward looking research is warranted.

Yes, the term Arya means refined/noble etc. The kings were mostly mentioned as Arya. Please see Sabda Kalpa Druma.

The term Dravida alludes to some one who has a ability to write down his thought or speech in any script. Again, please see Sabda Kalpa Druma.

The Arya-Dravida duo can also be rank idiots, strong, lean, lame, obese, diabets, non theistic...or just the reverse of the terms (that i mention at random), anything alike or unlike, etc. These two are cultural or personality distinctions. They of their own do not allude to any regional segregation/identity nor do they allude to dermal or mother tongue, tone, tenor or to food habbits or to personal traits or physical status. My considered view point is that Dravida is something alike 'Dasa' that came into vogue some time from around the Bhakti yuga. I ask myself, what then happend to the term Arya ? Did that get metamorphosed to Ray(s). The possibility remains. For example, it took me 5 long years to find out that the term 'Kalinga' means 'cleaver and cunning/intelligent'. That the Kalnigiyas considered emperor Kharagola (c.2nd B.C) possibly as Arya (noble fellow), the said term in the Hatigumpha paleograph being read by some as aira, while the mass remained Kalnigiyas ? If arya denotes a the then immigrant, it then means one extra mural chap comming in for leadership purpose. Untill and unless irrefutable evidence arises to the contrary, i would tend to lean myself with the averments of Mr. Harshavardhana on this issue.

It may be fruitfull to research the internal evidences that are there in the Rik and in the Yajur veda as well in other texts and in various regional editions of various periods. Remember Veda means plurality (vividata as in hindi).

History is alike Cosmology. Data remains hidden. As they arise, revision exercises are set afoot. Need for revision or delay in revision onset mechanism may not mean that there was consorted attempt to hi-jack or bamboozzel. Most important is that in the business of research, more number of youths are needed. It is dwindling. Multi-disciplinary approach and models are essential. History is not a post retirement engagement. History is a subject where the young should research and the old should write. In a democracy the police force is an very essential evil. In a civil society historical research is an essential nuisance. Take out any one, chaos decends. Use state force to turndle, the transpirations become negative. For the police a judiciary and for history a press are the shepherding wands. Jointly the four, shepherds the legislature.

With warm regards, to all.

Dr. Deepak Bhattacharya

Bhubaneswar

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