Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Dear all, Just for musing : 1. Triptka mentions Greeks This cannon is of the times of Buddha 2. Panini mentions about Yavanas. 3. According to Warmington, the use of many herbs and plants was learnt by Greeks from Indians, as reported in later medical texts. This has started atleast by 6th c. bce. Comments please, Kishore patnaik -- Love is a fruit in season at all times, and within the reach of every hand.~:~ Mother Theresa ~:~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Dear Kishore Patnaik, It is my hope that you will be able to prove me with some direction regarding the use of the sidereal zodiac. I am not questioning the use of the sidereal zodiac what I am looking for are dictums stating that only that zodiac should be used. Or, better yet, if it should be used in certain situations and the tropical zodiac used in other situations? To date I have been unable to find anything in BPHS that refers specifically to the zodiac. Maybe I am not reading carefully enough. I look forward to hearing from you and your opinion on my question. Thank you, Phyllis Chubb On Behalf Of kishore patnaik August 15, 2008 4:23 AM indiaarchaeology; Connection of Greeks with India Dear all, Just for musing : 1. Triptka mentions Greeks This cannon is of the times of Buddha 2. Panini mentions about Yavanas. 3. According to Warmington, the use of many herbs and plants was learnt by Greeks from Indians, as reported in later medical texts. This has started atleast by 6th c. bce. Comments please, Kishore patnaik -- Love is a fruit in season at all times, and within the reach of every hand. ~:~ Mother Theresa ~:~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Who is Warmington? What is the name of the book where he mentioned this? Kamlesh On Behalf Of kishore patnaik Friday, August 15, 2008 7:23 AM indiaarchaeology; Connection of Greeks with India Dear all, Just for musing : 1. Triptka mentions Greeks This cannon is of the times of Buddha 2. Panini mentions about Yavanas. 3. According to Warmington, the use of many herbs and plants was learnt by Greeks from Indians, as reported in later medical texts. This has started atleast by 6th c. bce. Comments please, Kishore patnaik -- Love is a fruit in season at all times, and within the reach of every hand. ~:~ Mother Theresa ~:~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 > > Who is Warmington? What is the name of the book where he mentioned this? > The Commerce Between the Roman Empire and India By Eric Herbert Warmington Published by Octagon Books, 1974 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 > Dear Kishore Patnaik, > > > > It is my hope that you will be able to prove me with some direction > regarding the use of the sidereal zodiac. I am not questioning the use of > the sidereal zodiac what I am looking for are dictums stating that only that > zodiac should be used. Or, better yet, if it should be used in certain > situations and the tropical zodiac used in other situations? > > > > To date I have been unable to find anything in BPHS that refers specifically > to the zodiac. Maybe I am not reading carefully enough. > > > > I look forward to hearing from you and your opinion on my question. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Phyllis Chubb > > _____ Dear Phyllis Chubb, I am sorry that I have not understood what you are trying to say. If it is connected with Astrology, kindly post it in Vedicastrology-hyderabad. If it is connected with history, even with history of astrology, you may please explain the same here. regards, Kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 >1. Triptka mentions Greeks This cannon is of the times of Buddha >2. Panini mentions about Yavanas. >3. According to Warmington, the use of many herbs and plants was >learnt by Greeks from Indians, as reported in later medical texts.This has started atleast by 6th c. bce. yes, this aspect has been cited in one of my upcoming papers submitted to Indian National Science Academy. An early 20th century German anatomist opined that Greece had medicine specialists and none for surgery, whereas India had. The hellions used to visit India and not the other way round. Similarly, in other papers of mine i have shown that Chinese scholars, for centuries, used to visit India for in-Campus and off-Campus studies. Indians never visited China for these purposes. All those Indians who went there were for teaching and thought propagation purposes. db ============ Dr. Deepak Bhattacharya, LLB, Ph.D Bhubaneswar, India Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear Kishore, In Sanskrit the word YAVANA generally means Foreigners and not necessarily Greeks. B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN website: www.vedascience.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 may i submit that to my mind the technically correct and the intension correct translation (as per my papers) is :- Yavana = Bacterian (germ) ~ erstwhile Helino-Roman-Persian- Turkmenistan-regions (period based shifting Geog). A Bacteria survives by invading and killing the native population of cells. It refuses to do any signal transduction with the native cells, which alike many a severe disease causing parasites do not. Towards the Mediterranean. Kusana = Grasslander ~ Tajikistan, Don-Danube valley, Caspian sea regions (north by north east of Afghanistan and NW of Gobi desert (period based shifting Geog).....Chengis Khan was a Kusana ? The Kusana art is very smooth and rolling type - a reflection of their rolling grassland countryside....Cossacks in particular~excellent horse men. Note = These were not the decendants of the star gazers of the Rik period. Kusanas and Yavanas were not Brahmanas (scholars). The averment "Yavana generally means Foreigners and not necessarily Greeks" = is right so long the Kusana and Chins (mongoloids) are excluded. The Brahmana (it appears) had grown very suspicious of or frigid about the Greek scholars who for them seemed to take away only and give back nothing ~ just like a Bacteria ! Hence = YAVANA. From the Indian point of view all this primarily strated with the Greek scholars comming into india. Technically, an inter-scholar or inter-school accusation. We may need to know if the Greeks had any such counter adage for the Indians ? The Indian schools it seems had no such adage for the Sino-Nipponese visitors. Cordially, db ============= Dr. Deepak Bhatt-acharya, LLB., Ph.D. - venkata krishnan indiaarchaeology ; Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:15 PM Re: Connection of Greeks with India Dear Kishore, In Sanskrit the word YAVANA generally means Foreigners and not necessarily Greeks. B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN website: www.vedascience.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 , venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote: > In Sanskrit the word YAVANA generally means Foreigners and not necessarily Greeks. > B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN > website: www.vedascience.com > > Alas, Hindus keep on trying to confirm all the negative stereotypes about themselves, i.c. their lack of historical sense. Here, it is pretended that since eternity, Sanskrit has had a word Yavana meaning foreigner. No, first it had no such word. then it heard of Greek Ionians, or Yona in Prakrit, then sanskritizing this to Yavana. then when proper Greeks disappeared from the horizon, it came to mean any foreigner coming from the West. Moreover, this unhistorical misunderstanding is then proposed as a *correction* to the proper explanation with historical depth. Kind regards, KE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Here is the 2nd., photograph. In one image we see trinity being ferried by a bullock cart. In the other, there is mono-icon on a poly axel charriot being pulled by men using ropes known as dhaudi (runner).At Puri, each charriot have a pair of Dhaudi , which all have unique call names having the identity of various primordial serpents. Note the position of the arm. It is different from what we have as enshrined in the Sri Mandira. Both the artifacts are in the Orissa State Museum. Ancient India may also share with India Archaeology group/others... the Rath-Yatra photographs and the back-ground text. deepak ===================================== - ODDISILAB Friday, October 17, 2008 10:21 AM Re: Re: Connection of Greeks with India Dear Shri Das, sometime ago i had given you some small info about Rath yatra. Do you have them ? (for i have deleted). Here is 1 photograph. The artifact is Dt. to c.12-13th A.D. (2nd Pix is big file- not sent). This is about Sri Jagannath's charriot (Puri). The charriot festival of Sri Lingaraj (Bhubaneswar) is apparently older. May be c.10th A.D. The two have very different transmission engineering and undercarraige design. External architecture is similar. The photograph shows completely different type. This is a sagadi (bullock cart). Incidentally, the trinity's chariots at Puri even now is occasionally mentioned as Sagadi. The not sent 'big file' gives another perspective. These artifacts are from Orissa state museum, BBSR. The Rath yatras at Bhubaneswar and at Puri are victory parades. The yatra at Ekamra khetra (BBSR) is known as Vijaya utsava. The yatra at Sri-khetra Puri is therefore known as Ghosa yatra. These events are for participation in gay abandon mood. No frills. Dr. Deepak Bhattacharya. Bhubaneswar ================================================ - Kishore patnaik Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:42 PM Re : Re: Connection of Greeks with India , chittaranjan das<chittaranjan100 wrote:> Â > another info reqd is what route the greeks took to come to INDIA? Bysea to Alexandria and by land to Yemen and by boat to India? Where didthey land? > Learnt Dravidians r PALEOMEDITERRENIANS unlike ARIYANS WHO STARTEDFROM MESSOPOTAMEA. This is how the GREEK CONNECTION started?> Â > C R DAS> Â Good question. My self and Kathie are already braking our heads onthis question, at least what is the route taken by Alexander, in theface of several texts. I am looking forward for Kathie to rise up to the occasion andenlighten us. regards, Kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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