Guest guest Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 kishore, As you know, 'gupta' is a Sanskrit word that means 'hidden, kept secret, protected' and so. Panini derived it from 'go-paya' a denominative verb meaning 'to act like a [cow]herdsman', 'to protect cows'. The root 'gup' is very old, and has been used even in the Rig Veda. The word 'Gupta' has been applied as a 'caste surname' to vaishyas from times at least as far as the Mauryan empire, during which there were vaishya officials or regional rulers (rashtriyas) like Pushyagupta, in Surashtra to the West of Avanti. 'Gupta' would be a more meaningful designation if we consider that all Vedic Culture derived from ancient tribes of herdsmen and artisans, long before the concept of castes was first used. Ancient populations joined as clans or families in the 'Vish' (i.e. community, tribe), whose patron and protector families were called 'vaishyas'. These families used to keep secret their artistic or technical knowledge, to which only members of the clan should be initiated - it was the 'guptavidya' (secret hability). So 'gupta' designated the guardians of these secret cultural assets that gave each tribe its peculiar value in ancient world economy. Carlos E. G. Barbosa - kishore mohan Monday, September 06, 2004 4:38 AM Etymology of word 'gupta' The word 'gupta' as a proper noun in India is ubiquitous. It is used as a name- chitra gupta, vishnu gupta, chandra gupta(maurya)or as a name of dynasty- the dynasty of guptas.... On the other hand, the modern name Gupta is being used a surname of Vaishyas. On searching the web for the etymology of this word, I found the following: HTTP://WWW.PLEXOFT.COM/SBF/G04.HTML THE COMMON FAMILY NAME GUPTA, INCIDENTALLY, SEEMS TO HAVE A DIFFERENT ETYMOLOGY. NOW HERE IS AN IRONY: ADLY WAS TRYING ALL DURING THIS CONVERSATION TO DERIVE LARGE CHUNKS OF THE HINDI VOCABULARY FROM ARABIC, BUT HE DIDN'T CLAIM GUPTA. AS IT HAPPENS, THE ANCIENT RELIGIOUS NAME FOR MEMPHIS (THE ONE IN EGYPT, NOT THE ENDURING ELVIS-WORSHIP CENTER IN TENNESSEE) WAS HA KA PTAH. IN THE SEVENTH CENTURY, THE CONQUERING ARABS CORRUPTED THIS TO AGUPTA, AND EVENTUALLY THE INITIAL A WAS ELIDED AS WELL. THE G WAS DEVOICED AGAIN ON ENTERING ENGLISH AND SOME OTHER EUROPEAN LANGUAGES, BECOMING OUR COPT[iC]. Hope the group can throw more light on this. kishore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 IndiaArchaeology , " ymalaiya " <ymalaiya> wrote: The use of the last name Gupta by the members of the merchant community may be relatively new, perhaps last century or so. Many of the merchant communities in North and Western India used the term " Sah " (Sahu, Shah, Sha etc). Use of this term can found in 11- 12th cent sources (Sadhu in sanskrit), in some places it is still common. Yashwant IndiaArchaeology , " kishore mohan " <kishore_future> wrote: > The word 'gupta' as a proper noun in India is ubiquitous. It is used > as a name- chitra gupta, vishnu gupta, chandra gupta(maurya)or as a > name of dynasty- the dynasty of guptas.... > > On the other hand, the modern name Gupta is being used a surname of > Vaishyas. > > On searching the web for the etymology of this word, I found the > following: > > HTTP://WWW.PLEXOFT.COM/SBF/G04.HTML > > THE COMMON FAMILY NAME GUPTA, INCIDENTALLY, SEEMS TO HAVE A > DIFFERENT ETYMOLOGY. NOW HERE IS AN IRONY: ADLY WAS TRYING ALL > DURING THIS CONVERSATION TO DERIVE LARGE CHUNKS OF THE HINDI > VOCABULARY FROM ARABIC, BUT HE DIDN'T CLAIM GUPTA. AS IT HAPPENS, > THE ANCIENT RELIGIOUS NAME FOR MEMPHIS (THE ONE IN EGYPT, NOT THE > ENDURING ELVIS-WORSHIP CENTER IN TENNESSEE) WAS HA KA PTAH. IN THE > SEVENTH CENTURY, THE CONQUERING ARABS CORRUPTED THIS TO AGUPTA, AND > EVENTUALLY THE INITIAL A WAS ELIDED AS WELL. THE G WAS DEVOICED > AGAIN ON ENTERING ENGLISH AND SOME OTHER EUROPEAN LANGUAGES, > BECOMING OUR COPT[iC]. > > Hope the group can throw more light on this. > > kishore --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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