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[Guest guest]

Om Namasivaya Group:

Hello and greetings.

This piece is not meant to offend any reader.

There is no need to publish this letter. I don't like to offend the reader at large or the ones who take or succumb to offence easily. My profound apologies to you. But the views ought to be in the open. It is not meant to hurt but to thwart mediocrity.

By this letter, I want you to take me off the list for the following reasons:

1) The group does not allow discussions, arguments, counter-arguments.... That is what Ramanuja, Sankaracharya... did when they travelled up and down the country. That is how the great Polemical literature in Hinduism came about. Here is an example of polemics: வடகலை / தெனà¯à®•à®²à¯ˆ. I hope you know the story of Sankaracharya defeating Mandana Misra and Bharati and later building a temple in her honor in Sringeri. I am not worthy of the dust under their feet.

Swami Vivekananda 'is' the great exponent of Hindu religion in modern times. Some members seem to dislike him for what he said about mindless rituals. Some members give pointless and meaningless minutiae of rituals and rigmaroles without explaining what they mean. They themselves don't know what they mean. These minutiae are published because they do not generate controversy and give hope and mystical turnaround in life situations.

2) Some members seem to be exclusively grounded in rituals and not on the tenets of Hinduism or Saivism. Some of these mindless rituals are oppressive to the point of suffocation. There is no ritual requirement in the Mantra 'Om Namasivaya.'

3) Some of the stories illustrating Bhagavadgita or the Great Sayings are grotesquely or completely irrelevant, convoluted and dumbed-down. The stories challenge the intelligence of the readers. There is such a disparity between the Great Sayings and the simplicity of mindless stories meant for simpletons. The stories have taken a dingy pedestrian illustration of the Great Sayings. They seem to assume that the readers are double-distilled idiots. Some of these stories assume they are intended for and directed to pop-corn loving, lovey-dovey

dolts. Have you read "Sayings of Ramakrishna?" The stories gracing those pages have total relevance to the Great Sayings in Hindu religion. That is where simplicity and profundity coexist.

4) There is a coterie of sycophants patting each other on the back for self-gratification and mutual assent. They seem to gain respectability and recognition by assent. There is a lot of EGO trading on the floor under the guise of an-ahankara.

5) The group owners, though good-natured, devout, polite and accomodating, seem to have forgotten the meaning of 'Om Namasivaya' and bend backwards to accommodate only what appears to submissive, passive, in-group and in-bred posts. The saying goes, If you cannot handle controversies, call it quits. If you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

6) I agree that your intentions are noble from the beginning, but you are in a situation where you have to choose between in-bred posts and intellectual posts for the sake of peace and tranquility in cyberspace. The wrong assumption is the members are not ready for the intellectual posts. Try them; you will have intellectuals and the mush-heads will drop out and fade into darkness. It is better to fold one's tent to go home than to perpetuate this mediocrity and cater to intellectual cowards.

I regret to leave the group and will miss a rare good post.

Veeraswamy Krishnaraj

 

[Guest guest]

We all will miss you.Would request you to reconsider and decide to continue  to favor us all with your distinguished presence.N Bhashyam n 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, <myumbra-bgusa wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namasivaya Group:

Hello and greetings.

This piece is not meant to offend any reader.

There is no need to publish this letter. I don't like to offend the reader at large or the ones who take or succumb to offence easily. My profound apologies to you.  But the views ought to be in the open. It is not meant to hurt but to thwart mediocrity.

By this letter, I want you to take me off the list for the following reasons:

1) The group does not allow discussions, arguments, counter-arguments.... That is what Ramanuja,  Sankaracharya... did when they travelled up and down the country.  That is how the great Polemical literature in Hinduism came about.  Here is an example of polemics: வடகலை  /  தெனà¯à®•à®²à¯ˆ.  I hope you know the story of Sankaracharya defeating Mandana Misra and Bharati and later building a temple in her honor in Sringeri. I am not worthy of the dust under their feet.

Swami Vivekananda 'is' the great exponent of Hindu religion in modern times. Some members seem to dislike him for what he said about mindless rituals. Some members give pointless and meaningless minutiae of rituals and rigmaroles without explaining what they mean. They themselves don't know what they mean. These minutiae are published because they do not generate controversy and give hope and mystical turnaround in life situations. 

2) Some members seem to be exclusively grounded in rituals and not on the tenets of Hinduism or Saivism.  Some of these mindless rituals are oppressive to the point of suffocation. There is no ritual requirement in the Mantra 'Om Namasivaya.'

3) Some of the stories illustrating Bhagavadgita or the Great Sayings are grotesquely or completely irrelevant, convoluted and dumbed-down. The stories challenge the intelligence of the readers.  There is such a disparity between the Great Sayings and the simplicity of mindless stories meant for simpletons. The stories have taken a dingy pedestrian illustration of the Great Sayings. They seem to assume that the readers are double-distilled idiots.  Some of these stories assume  they are intended for and directed to pop-corn loving, lovey-dovey

dolts.  Have you read " Sayings of Ramakrishna? " The stories gracing those pages have total relevance to the Great Sayings in Hindu religion. That is where simplicity and profundity coexist.

4) There is a coterie of sycophants patting each other on the back for self-gratification and mutual assent.  They seem to gain respectability and recognition by assent. There is a lot of EGO trading on the floor under the guise of an-ahankara.

5) The group owners, though good-natured, devout, polite and accomodating, seem to have forgotten the meaning of 'Om Namasivaya' and bend backwards to accommodate only what appears to submissive, passive,  in-group and in-bred posts. The saying goes, If you cannot handle controversies, call it quits.  If you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

6) I agree that your intentions are noble from the beginning, but you are in a situation where you have to choose between in-bred posts and intellectual posts for the sake of peace and tranquility in cyberspace. The wrong assumption is the members are not ready for the intellectual posts. Try them; you will have intellectuals  and the mush-heads will drop out and fade into darkness. It is better to fold one's tent to go home than to perpetuate this mediocrity and cater to intellectual cowards.

I regret to leave the group and will miss a rare good post.

Veeraswamy Krishnaraj

 

[Guest guest]

om namah shivay....

 

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam wrote:

Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyamRe: membership Cc: myumbra-bgusaDate: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 1:29 AM

We all will miss you.Would request you to reconsider and decide to continue to favor us all with your distinguished presence.N Bhashyam n 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, <myumbra-bgusa@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namasivaya Group:

Hello and greetings.

This piece is not meant to offend any reader.

There is no need to publish this letter. I don't like to offend the reader at large or the ones who take or succumb to offence easily. My profound apologies to you. But the views ought to be in the open. It is not meant to hurt but to thwart mediocrity.

By this letter, I want you to take me off the list for the following reasons:

1) The group does not allow discussions, arguments, counter-arguments. ... That is what Ramanuja, Sankaracharya. .. did when they travelled up and down the country. That is how the great Polemical literature in Hinduism came about. Here is an example of polemics: வடகலை / தெனà¯à®•à®²à¯ˆ. I hope you know the story of Sankaracharya defeating Mandana Misra and Bharati and later building a temple in her honor in Sringeri. I am not worthy of the dust under their feet.

Swami Vivekananda 'is' the great exponent of Hindu religion in modern times. Some members seem to dislike him for what he said about mindless rituals. Some members give pointless and meaningless minutiae of rituals and rigmaroles without explaining what they mean. They themselves don't know what they mean. These minutiae are published because they do not generate controversy and give hope and mystical turnaround in life situations.

2) Some members seem to be exclusively grounded in rituals and not on the tenets of Hinduism or Saivism. Some of these mindless rituals are oppressive to the point of suffocation. There is no ritual requirement in the Mantra 'Om Namasivaya.'

3) Some of the stories illustrating Bhagavadgita or the Great Sayings are grotesquely or completely irrelevant, convoluted and dumbed-down. The stories challenge the intelligence of the readers. There is such a disparity between the Great Sayings and the simplicity of mindless stories meant for simpletons. The stories have taken a dingy pedestrian illustration of the Great Sayings. They seem to assume that the readers are double-distilled idiots. Some of these stories assume they are intended for and directed to pop-corn loving, lovey-dovey dolts. Have you read "Sayings of Ramakrishna?" The stories gracing those pages have total relevance to the Great Sayings in Hindu religion. That is where simplicity and profundity coexist.

4) There is a coterie of sycophants patting each other on the back for self-gratification and mutual assent. They seem to gain respectability and recognition by assent. There is a lot of EGO trading on the floor under the guise of an-ahankara.

5) The group owners, though good-natured, devout, polite and accomodating, seem to have forgotten the meaning of 'Om Namasivaya' and bend backwards to accommodate only what appears to submissive, passive, in-group and in-bred posts. The saying goes, If you cannot handle controversies, call it quits. If you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

6) I agree that your intentions are noble from the beginning, but you are in a situation where you have to choose between in-bred posts and intellectual posts for the sake of peace and tranquility in cyberspace. The wrong assumption is the members are not ready for the intellectual posts. Try them; you will have intellectuals and the mush-heads will drop out and fade into darkness. It is better to fold one's tent to go home than to perpetuate this mediocrity and cater to intellectual cowards.

I regret to leave the group and will miss a rare good post.

Veeraswamy Krishnaraj

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Veeraswamy,

 

please reconsider your decision, this earth in which we are living is dual and so we will see both sides, unless we evolve and accept everyone we cannot grow spiritually, we cannot change others opinion instantly but we can hold on to the truth and one day the change will come. we should not give energy to ego and run away from truth.

 

many people have benefitted by your posts and disagreements and arguments are very common in groups like this, but the great thing about this group is there are many wise people here and truth is always respected and honoured.

 

I wish you will think about this in a clear mind and hope you will comeback, we will always be connected through lord shiva.

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

Divakar.

 

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam wrote:

Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyamRe: membership Cc: myumbra-bgusaDate: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 4:29 AM

We all will miss you.Would request you to reconsider and decide to continue to favor us all with your distinguished presence.N Bhashyam n 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, <myumbra-bgusa@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namasivaya Group:

Hello and greetings.

This piece is not meant to offend any reader.

There is no need to publish this letter. I don't like to offend the reader at large or the ones who take or succumb to offence easily. My profound apologies to you. But the views ought to be in the open. It is not meant to hurt but to thwart mediocrity.

By this letter, I want you to take me off the list for the following reasons:

1) The group does not allow discussions, arguments, counter-arguments. ... That is what Ramanuja, Sankaracharya. .. did when they travelled up and down the country. That is how the great Polemical literature in Hinduism came about. Here is an example of polemics: வடகலை / தெனà¯à®•à®²à¯ˆ. I hope you know the story of Sankaracharya defeating Mandana Misra and Bharati and later building a temple in her honor in Sringeri. I am not worthy of the dust under their feet.

Swami Vivekananda 'is' the great exponent of Hindu religion in modern times. Some members seem to dislike him for what he said about mindless rituals. Some members give pointless and meaningless minutiae of rituals and rigmaroles without explaining what they mean. They themselves don't know what they mean. These minutiae are published because they do not generate controversy and give hope and mystical turnaround in life situations.

2) Some members seem to be exclusively grounded in rituals and not on the tenets of Hinduism or Saivism. Some of these mindless rituals are oppressive to the point of suffocation. There is no ritual requirement in the Mantra 'Om Namasivaya.'

3) Some of the stories illustrating Bhagavadgita or the Great Sayings are grotesquely or completely irrelevant, convoluted and dumbed-down. The stories challenge the intelligence of the readers. There is such a disparity between the Great Sayings and the simplicity of mindless stories meant for simpletons. The stories have taken a dingy pedestrian illustration of the Great Sayings. They seem to assume that the readers are double-distilled idiots. Some of these stories assume they are intended for and directed to pop-corn loving, lovey-dovey dolts. Have you read "Sayings of Ramakrishna?" The stories gracing those pages have total relevance to the Great Sayings in Hindu religion. That is where simplicity and profundity coexist.

4) There is a coterie of sycophants patting each other on the back for self-gratification and mutual assent. They seem to gain respectability and recognition by assent. There is a lot of EGO trading on the floor under the guise of an-ahankara.

5) The group owners, though good-natured, devout, polite and accomodating, seem to have forgotten the meaning of 'Om Namasivaya' and bend backwards to accommodate only what appears to submissive, passive, in-group and in-bred posts. The saying goes, If you cannot handle controversies, call it quits. If you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

6) I agree that your intentions are noble from the beginning, but you are in a situation where you have to choose between in-bred posts and intellectual posts for the sake of peace and tranquility in cyberspace. The wrong assumption is the members are not ready for the intellectual posts. Try them; you will have intellectuals and the mush-heads will drop out and fade into darkness. It is better to fold one's tent to go home than to perpetuate this mediocrity and cater to intellectual cowards.

I regret to leave the group and will miss a rare good post.

Veeraswamy Krishnaraj

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Mr Veeraswamy,

 

If you have decided to from the posts then its a loss to you as well as the group. We definitely cannot expect miracles to happen in the group. As Mr Divakar pointed out this group comprises of wise and knowledgable people. There have been cases of heated arguements which definitely kills the purpose of discussion. There have also been unnecessary criticisms and comparisons made between Shiva and Vishnu. There have been instances of distortion of facts and truths.

The reasons you have cited may not be reason enough to take a decision of this nature.

 

I am sure you have the habit of reading news papers. Everything page of the newspaper is really not worth reading. Page 3 talks about celebrities and their party stories. Page 5 talks about abductions, robbery and rapes. Page 7 talks something negative. Sometimes we see poster size picture of a girl in bikini. Just because some of the contents of the paper are misleading and negative do we stop reading the full newspaper?

We continue to read because there a few pages which are interesting and worth reading about. For eg. The Speaking Tree in Times of India. There are a few good articles as well. Finally the subject matter is our choice.

Similarly it is upto our choice to accept/dismiss the messages that get posted in this group.

 

Please remember that its a wonderful life and beautiful nature. Finally our thoughts determine our world. We only have a few good men with noble thoughts. You can atleast find them here.

 

Regards

Sriram

"Only in quiet waters things mirror themselves undistorted. Only in a quiet mind is adequate perception of the world."--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote:

Divakara Tanjore <div_tanRe: membership Cc: myumbra-bgusaDate: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:12 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Veeraswamy,

 

please reconsider your decision, this earth in which we are living is dual and so we will see both sides, unless we evolve and accept everyone we cannot grow spiritually, we cannot change others opinion instantly but we can hold on to the truth and one day the change will come. we should not give energy to ego and run away from truth.

 

many people have benefitted by your posts and disagreements and arguments are very common in groups like this, but the great thing about this group is there are many wise people here and truth is always respected and honoured.

 

I wish you will think about this in a clear mind and hope you will comeback, we will always be connected through lord shiva.

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

Divakar.

 

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ grouply.com> wrote:

Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ grouply.com>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] membershipom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: myumbra-bgusa@ Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 4:29 AM

We all will miss you.Would request you to reconsider and decide to continue to favor us all with your distinguished presence.N Bhashyam n 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, <myumbra-bgusa@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namasivaya Group:

Hello and greetings.

This piece is not meant to offend any reader.

There is no need to publish this letter. I don't like to offend the reader at large or the ones who take or succumb to offence easily. My profound apologies to you. But the views ought to be in the open. It is not meant to hurt but to thwart mediocrity.

By this letter, I want you to take me off the list for the following reasons:

1) The group does not allow discussions, arguments, counter-arguments. ... That is what Ramanuja, Sankaracharya. .. did when they travelled up and down the country. That is how the great Polemical literature in Hinduism came about. Here is an example of polemics: வடகலை / தெனà¯à®•à®²à¯ˆ. I hope you know the story of Sankaracharya defeating Mandana Misra and Bharati and later building a temple in her honor in Sringeri. I am not worthy of the dust under their feet.

Swami Vivekananda 'is' the great exponent of Hindu religion in modern times. Some members seem to dislike him for what he said about mindless rituals. Some members give pointless and meaningless minutiae of rituals and rigmaroles without explaining what they mean. They themselves don't know what they mean. These minutiae are published because they do not generate controversy and give hope and mystical turnaround in life situations.

2) Some members seem to be exclusively grounded in rituals and not on the tenets of Hinduism or Saivism. Some of these mindless rituals are oppressive to the point of suffocation. There is no ritual requirement in the Mantra 'Om Namasivaya.'

3) Some of the stories illustrating Bhagavadgita or the Great Sayings are grotesquely or completely irrelevant, convoluted and dumbed-down. The stories challenge the intelligence of the readers. There is such a disparity between the Great Sayings and the simplicity of mindless stories meant for simpletons. The stories have taken a dingy pedestrian illustration of the Great Sayings. They seem to assume that the readers are double-distilled idiots. Some of these stories assume they are intended for and directed to pop-corn loving, lovey-dovey dolts. Have you read "Sayings of Ramakrishna? " The stories gracing those pages have total relevance to the Great Sayings in Hindu religion. That is where simplicity and profundity coexist.

4) There is a coterie of sycophants patting each other on the back for self-gratification and mutual assent. They seem to gain respectability and recognition by assent. There is a lot of EGO trading on the floor under the guise of an-ahankara.

5) The group owners, though good-natured, devout, polite and accomodating, seem to have forgotten the meaning of 'Om Namasivaya' and bend backwards to accommodate only what appears to submissive, passive, in-group and in-bred posts. The saying goes, If you cannot handle controversies, call it quits. If you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen. 6) I agree that your intentions are noble from the beginning, but you are in a situation where you have to choose between in-bred posts and intellectual posts for the sake of peace and tranquility in cyberspace. The wrong assumption is the members are not ready for the intellectual posts. Try them; you will have intellectuals and the mush-heads will drop out and fade into darkness. It is better to fold one's tent to go home than to perpetuate this mediocrity and cater to intellectual cowards. I regret to leave the group and will miss a rare good post. Veeraswamy Krishnaraj

[Guest guest]

Namaste Veeraswamy Ji,

 

There was a time when I used to read messages posted in this group, now I delete everyone of them without giving it a read becuase they are too often not much of an interest to me. There is a lot of corss-postings from different groups and and I have seen members posting exactly the same extracts from scriptures year-after-year. Perhaps it has comes to this state becuase some of the knowledged prefer to keep quite. Perhaps it is time to stop this passiveness.

 

I request you stay with this group and help it turn around. If this is resisted, then sure it would be a good reason to leave, but stay for now.

 

Regards,

Bhupendra

 

 

 

"myumbra-bgusa" <myumbra-bgusa Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 11:30:13 AM membership

 

 

 

Om Namasivaya Group:

Hello and greetings.

This piece is not meant to offend any reader.

There is no need to publish this letter. I don't like to offend the reader at large or the ones who take or succumb to offence easily. My profound apologies to you. But the views ought to be in the open. It is not meant to hurt but to thwart mediocrity.

By this letter, I want you to take me off the list for the following reasons:

1) The group does not allow discussions, arguments, counter-arguments. ... That is what Ramanuja, Sankaracharya. .. did when they travelled up and down the country. That is how the great Polemical literature in Hinduism came about. Here is an example of polemics: வடகலை / தெனà¯à®•à®²à¯ˆ. I hope you know the story of Sankaracharya defeating Mandana Misra and Bharati and later building a temple in her honor in Sringeri. I am not worthy of the dust under their feet.

Swami Vivekananda 'is' the great exponent of Hindu religion in modern times. Some members seem to dislike him for what he said about mindless rituals. Some members give pointless and meaningless minutiae of rituals and rigmaroles without explaining what they mean. They themselves don't know what they mean. These minutiae are published because they do not generate controversy and give hope and mystical turnaround in life situations.

2) Some members seem to be exclusively grounded in rituals and not on the tenets of Hinduism or Saivism. Some of these mindless rituals are oppressive to the point of suffocation. There is no ritual requirement in the Mantra 'Om Namasivaya.'

3) Some of the stories illustrating Bhagavadgita or the Great Sayings are grotesquely or completely irrelevant, convoluted and dumbed-down. The stories challenge the intelligence of the readers. There is such a disparity between the Great Sayings and the simplicity of mindless stories meant for simpletons. The stories have taken a dingy pedestrian illustration of the Great Sayings. They seem to assume that the readers are double-distilled idiots. Some of these stories assume they are intended for and directed to pop-corn loving, lovey-dovey dolts. Have you read "Sayings of Ramakrishna? " The stories gracing those pages have total relevance to the Great Sayings in Hindu religion. That is where simplicity and profundity coexist.

4) There is a coterie of sycophants patting each other on the back for self-gratification and mutual assent. They seem to gain respectability and recognition by assent. There is a lot of EGO trading on the floor under the guise of an-ahankara.

5) The group owners, though good-natured, devout, polite and accomodating, seem to have forgotten the meaning of 'Om Namasivaya' and bend backwards to accommodate only what appears to submissive, passive, in-group and in-bred posts. The saying goes, If you cannot handle controversies, call it quits. If you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

6) I agree that your intentions are noble from the beginning, but you are in a situation where you have to choose between in-bred posts and intellectual posts for the sake of peace and tranquility in cyberspace. The wrong assumption is the members are not ready for the intellectual posts. Try them; you will have intellectuals and the mush-heads will drop out and fade into darkness. It is better to fold one's tent to go home than to perpetuate this mediocrity and cater to intellectual cowards.

I regret to leave the group and will miss a rare good post.

Veeraswamy Krishnaraj

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear brother Veeraswamy,

Bhakti is eternal.

I wonder to see your message.

Due to ill health I am not participating regularly, but I will sit at the computer at least an hour to go through the spiritual articles from the learned members.

Your postings and interpretations are really glorious to our Satsang conducted indirectly in this holy group.

The Moderators of this site is encouraging Siva Bhakti and allowing the members to have free discussions. They will be forced to object any discussion leading to disharmony within the members. How can we compare to Jagadguru Sankara, Sri Ramanuja and Sri Mandalamishra etc here. If it is to be, there is no chance of such persons to be in the Groups. They will be sitting in an elevated place where the devotees like us should go and listen to their preaching. We are not aware as to how the great Polemical literature of “Vadagal and Tengal†was

generated in a particular creed which is misapprehended in the present days and causing a division in one community. It is natural in a discussion of such literature and also the different Sampradayas like Saivism and and Vaishnavism etc, by laymen leads to controversies.

No one should be offended in spiritual discussions, since the knowledge in Vedic and Sanatana principles is limited to many of us. We are really learning more and more. Though I am a Moderator of one holy group, I am in six groups. Why? It is only to learn more. I find some young persons are contributing more and more knowledge. I bow my head to their Jnana.

You are a good scholar and good adviser. I see Lord Siva in you as Guru. You should show your sattvic qualities of Lord to your friends and not Sivatandava.

I have the experience of seventy years in this material world and know nothing about the world. I do not know whether you are older or younger to me. It is my earnest appeal to cool down and reconsider your decision and continue to be a polite adviser.

Kindly excuse me if I have gone out of my limits.

Hope to get a reply soon.

With love and regards,

Sastry --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Sriram S <sriram_s_98 wrote:

Sriram S <sriram_s_98Re: membership Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 9:18 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Mr Veeraswamy,

 

If you have decided to from the posts then its a loss to you as well as the group. We definitely cannot expect miracles to happen in the group. As Mr Divakar pointed out this group comprises of wise and knowledgable people. There have been cases of heated arguements which definitely kills the purpose of discussion. There have also been unnecessary criticisms and comparisons made between Shiva and Vishnu. There have been instances of distortion of facts and truths.

The reasons you have cited may not be reason enough to take a decision of this nature.

 

I am sure you have the habit of reading news papers. Everything page of the newspaper is really not worth reading. Page 3 talks about celebrities and their party stories. Page 5 talks about abductions, robbery and rapes. Page 7 talks something negative. Sometimes we see poster size picture of a girl in bikini. Just because some of the contents of the paper are misleading and negative do we stop reading the full newspaper?

We continue to read because there a few pages which are interesting and worth reading about. For eg. The Speaking Tree in Times of India. There are a few good articles as well. Finally the subject matter is our choice.

Similarly it is upto our choice to accept/dismiss the messages that get posted in this group.

 

Please remember that its a wonderful life and beautiful nature. Finally our thoughts determine our world. We only have a few good men with noble thoughts. You can atleast find them here.

 

Regards

Sriram

"Only in quiet waters things mirror themselves undistorted. Only in a quiet mind is adequate perception of the world."--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote:

Divakara Tanjore <div_tanRe: membership Cc: myumbra-bgusaDate: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:12 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Veeraswamy,

 

please reconsider your decision, this earth in which we are living is dual and so we will see both sides, unless we evolve and accept everyone we cannot grow spiritually, we cannot change others opinion instantly but we can hold on to the truth and one day the change will come. we should not give energy to ego and run away from truth.

 

many people have benefitted by your posts and disagreements and arguments are very common in groups like this, but the great thing about this group is there are many wise people here and truth is always respected and honoured.

 

I wish you will think about this in a clear mind and hope you will comeback, we will always be connected through lord shiva.

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

Divakar.

 

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ grouply.com> wrote:

Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ grouply.com>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] membershipom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: myumbra-bgusa@ Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 4:29 AM

We all will miss you.Would request you to reconsider and decide to continue to favor us all with your distinguished presence.N Bhashyam n 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, <myumbra-bgusa@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namasivaya Group:

Hello and greetings.

This piece is not meant to offend any reader.

There is no need to publish this letter. I don't like to offend the reader at large or the ones who take or succumb to offence easily. My profound apologies to you. But the views ought to be in the open. It is not meant to hurt but to thwart mediocrity.

By this letter, I want you to take me off the list for the following reasons:

1) The group does not allow discussions, arguments, counter-arguments. ... That is what Ramanuja, Sankaracharya. .. did when they travelled up and down the country. That is how the great Polemical literature in Hinduism came about. Here is an example of polemics: வடகலை / தெனà¯à®•à®²à¯ˆ. I hope you know the story of Sankaracharya defeating Mandana Misra and Bharati and later building a temple in her honor in Sringeri. I am not worthy of the dust under their feet.

 

 

Swami Vivekananda 'is' the great exponent of Hindu religion in modern times. Some members seem to dislike him for what he said about mindless rituals. Some members give pointless and meaningless minutiae of rituals and rigmaroles without explaining what they mean. They themselves don't know what they mean. These minutiae are published because they do not generate controversy and give hope and mystical turnaround in life situations.

 

2) Some members seem to be exclusively grounded in rituals and not on the tenets of Hinduism or Saivism. Some of these mindless rituals are oppressive to the point of suffocation. There is no ritual requirement in the Mantra 'Om Namasivaya.' 3) Some of the stories illustrating Bhagavadgita or the Great Sayings are grotesquely or completely irrelevant, convoluted and dumbed-down. The stories challenge the intelligence of the readers. There is such a disparity between the Great Sayings and the simplicity of mindless stories meant for simpletons. The stories have taken a dingy pedestrian illustration of the Great Sayings. They seem to assume that the readers are double-distilled idiots. Some of these stories assume they are intended for and directed to pop-corn loving, lovey-dovey dolts. Have you read "Sayings of Ramakrishna? " The stories gracing those pages have total relevance to the Great Sayings in Hindu religion. That is where simplicity and profundity coexist.

4) There is a coterie of sycophants patting each other on the back for self-gratification and mutual assent. They seem to gain respectability and recognition by assent. There is a lot of EGO trading on the floor under the guise of an-ahankara. 5) The group owners, though good-natured, devout, polite and accomodating, seem to have forgotten the meaning of 'Om Namasivaya' and bend backwards to accommodate only what appears to submissive, passive, in-group and in-bred posts. The saying goes, If you cannot handle controversies, call it quits. If you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen. 6) I agree that your intentions are noble from the beginning, but you are in a situation where you have to choose between in-bred posts and intellectual posts for the sake of peace and tranquility in cyberspace. The wrong assumption is the members are not ready for the intellectual posts. Try them; you will have intellectuals and the mush-heads will drop out and fade into darkness. It is better to fold one's tent to go home than to perpetuate this mediocrity and cater to intellectual cowards. I regret to leave the group and will miss a rare good post. Veeraswamy Krishnaraj

[Guest guest]

Dear respected Dr Bhashyam,

 

Please don't punish ALL for FEW or vice-versa.I am a passive (but avid occasionally) member of the Group,but can say with confidance that your posts leave indelible impact on some of us if not ALL.It imparts inspirations and at the same time helps to widen our horizen and understanding of the concept of religion,religiosity with changing time.

 

You are doing an excellent work,so please if possible don't get disheartened by astray post.I believe, we all see and comprehend things the way we want to,RATHER as they are designed to be -- thats the beauty of mankind.We are all different and yet ONE.

Dissemination of knowledge is the right(also duty) of the intellectuals n learned ones and criticism is the by-product of the sundry.

 

with due regards,

mridul--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam wrote:

Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyamRe: membership Cc: myumbra-bgusaDate: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 12:59 PM

We all will miss you.Would request you to reconsider and decide to continue to favor us all with your distinguished presence.N Bhashyam n 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, <myumbra-bgusa@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namasivaya Group:

Hello and greetings.

This piece is not meant to offend any reader.

There is no need to publish this letter. I don't like to offend the reader at large or the ones who take or succumb to offence easily. My profound apologies to you. But the views ought to be in the open. It is not meant to hurt but to thwart mediocrity.

By this letter, I want you to take me off the list for the following reasons:

1) The group does not allow discussions, arguments, counter-arguments. ... That is what Ramanuja, Sankaracharya. .. did when they travelled up and down the country. That is how the great Polemical literature in Hinduism came about. Here is an example of polemics: வடகலை / தெனà¯à®•à®²à¯ˆ. I hope you know the story of Sankaracharya defeating Mandana Misra and Bharati and later building a temple in her honor in Sringeri. I am not worthy of the dust under their feet.

Swami Vivekananda 'is' the great exponent of Hindu religion in modern times. Some members seem to dislike him for what he said about mindless rituals. Some members give pointless and meaningless minutiae of rituals and rigmaroles without explaining what they mean. They themselves don't know what they mean. These minutiae are published because they do not generate controversy and give hope and mystical turnaround in life situations.

2) Some members seem to be exclusively grounded in rituals and not on the tenets of Hinduism or Saivism. Some of these mindless rituals are oppressive to the point of suffocation. There is no ritual requirement in the Mantra 'Om Namasivaya.'

3) Some of the stories illustrating Bhagavadgita or the Great Sayings are grotesquely or completely irrelevant, convoluted and dumbed-down. The stories challenge the intelligence of the readers. There is such a disparity between the Great Sayings and the simplicity of mindless stories meant for simpletons. The stories have taken a dingy pedestrian illustration of the Great Sayings. They seem to assume that the readers are double-distilled idiots. Some of these stories assume they are intended for and directed to pop-corn loving, lovey-dovey dolts. Have you read "Sayings of Ramakrishna?" The stories gracing those pages have total relevance to the Great Sayings in Hindu religion. That is where simplicity and profundity coexist.

4) There is a coterie of sycophants patting each other on the back for self-gratification and mutual assent. They seem to gain respectability and recognition by assent. There is a lot of EGO trading on the floor under the guise of an-ahankara.

5) The group owners, though good-natured, devout, polite and accomodating, seem to have forgotten the meaning of 'Om Namasivaya' and bend backwards to accommodate only what appears to submissive, passive, in-group and in-bred posts. The saying goes, If you cannot handle controversies, call it quits. If you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

6) I agree that your intentions are noble from the beginning, but you are in a situation where you have to choose between in-bred posts and intellectual posts for the sake of peace and tranquility in cyberspace. The wrong assumption is the members are not ready for the intellectual posts. Try them; you will have intellectuals and the mush-heads will drop out and fade into darkness. It is better to fold one's tent to go home than to perpetuate this mediocrity and cater to intellectual cowards.

I regret to leave the group and will miss a rare good post.

Veeraswamy Krishnaraj