Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, wrote: > Dear Joanelyia, > Namaskar!Thank you for your interest. Yes I will try to impart certain > things which I may be knowing in the comprative religious studies. > Since we are in the Om namah shivaya forum I would firstly like to > compare the obvious symobls of Shiva's body with the symbols of other > religions. > > 1.The trident which Shiva holds on his left hand is equal to the cross > of the Christians. The cross is a Roman torture device. Jesus (assuming he even existed and is not a composite of other " messiahs " of the time) was executed by the local Roman governor for political subversion. This has nothing to do with the trishul which symbolizes Shiva Bhagavans shaktis of iccha, kriya, and jnana. > 2. The damaru he holds in his right hand is like the star of David of > the Jews. The Magen David ( " Shield of David " ) represents the Jewish Gods protection of that ancient Israeli king and hence the Jewish people. A Damaru is a drum from which Shiva Bhagavan manifested the Sanskrit letters. What does a shield have to do with a drum? > 3.The crescent on his head is like the crescent of the Moslems. It is ironic in light of your obsession with (non-existent) problems in the Hindu calendars that you don't realize that the crescent moon is important in Islam because their calendar is so backward they did not have the ability to predict lunar cycles. A mullah had to actually physically observe the newly waxing moon in order to mark the beginning of a month. Needless to say Shiva bhagavans wearing of the moon as a hair ornament has nothing to do with calendars. > 4.The ganga he holds on the top of his head, is the ushnisha lotus of > the Buddhists, shown on Buddha's head with curled hair and the ushnisa > flame at the centre. The Ganga is a river. What does that have to do with a flower? > Now coming to the three stories about Shiva his marriage with Sati > devi is Karma yoga.His marriage with Parvati is Bhakti yoga and his > marriage with Ganga is Gyan yoga. Uh marriage with Ganga? Where are you getting that from? > The story of karma yoga is embraced by Christianity.It is the religion > of social service.The sun is their centre. The sun has nothing to do with Christian theology or practice. > The story of Bhakti yoga is embraced by the Moslems, with their > absolute devotion to Allah.Their centre of attention is the lunar > orbit.The Kaaba in Mecca is the centre of the lunar orbit, where Adam > and Eve are said to have met. Said by whom? The kaaba is said to be built by Ibrahim according to Muslims. Hubal and Alaat two of the principal deities worshipped in Mecca by the Arabs are lunar but others were not and in any case their worship was abolished by Islam. > The story of Gyan yoga is embraced by the Buddhists.Their centre of > attention is the centre of the star system.You may have seen the > Tibetan Buddhists with their prayer wheel in hand.When they rotate it, > they are trying to look around the star world. Ganga on Shiva's head > is the circle of the star world or milky way. The knowledge of the > circle of stars is known as gyan yoga. > The star world is also known as paradise or Eden in the old testament > Bible.The Garden east of Eden is the earth orbit around the sun or our > world. The Garden of Eden is said in all Jewish, Christian, and Muslim traditions to be a location on Earth. > The Hindus call this garden as Bharat varsha No they do not. Bharatavarsha is the Indian subcontinent which is considerably larger than a garden. > and all the > pilgrimages are set accordingly to represnt the various positions of > the earth while it travels around the sun. No they are not. Some yatras like kumbha mela are based on jyotish considerations but by no means all of them. > I have given the basics of the basic knowledge of religious studies. What you have done is to make up some unfounded nonsense from your own imagination. Not only have you distorted the beliefs of Hinduism, you have distorted the beliefs of many other religions as well. Is this tolerance? If some Westerners are taking a sincere interest in Shiva Bhagavan, is this how you intend to repay them? With lies? True respect for all faiths is achieved by taking seriously what they say. To mindlessly assert they are all the same is disrespectful. If some Americans are now replacing " cafeteria Christianity " with " cafeteria Hinduism " it is nothing to celebrate. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Well said Shree Jaldhar ji,Hinduism by no means comparable to other religions as it is a way of life. It is not built upon a person, book or doctrine. The truths perceived by various sages are carried forward for ages through Smarana or Hearing. You know why Smarana?Because if it is written, there are high chances that intrusion may take place, as it did in other holy books. If one recites the slokha right from the start, it flows like a mighty river and an intrusion cannot take place. IMHO. One can interpret anything with anything. But reasons and interpretations are not explanations. There are foolish people who compare the Shiva Linga with a phallus. It has been rubbished by none other than the great Swami Vivekananda by quoting the Vedas. PS: I have heard that the black stone in Kabba is nothing but a Shiva Linga. Legend has it that King Vikramaditya ruled over that region. Again, I don't have any proof to back this up, but I won't interpret something. Do we all know that the Taj Mahal is actually Tejo Mahalaya, a Shiva Temple? Please see stephen-knapp.com or search Google.PranaamRamesh On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar wrote: On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, wrote: > Dear Joanelyia, > Namaskar!Thank you for your interest. Yes I will try to impart certain > things which I may be knowing in the comprative religious studies. > Since we are in the Om namah shivaya forum I would firstly like to > compare the obvious symobls of Shiva's body with the symbols of other > religions. > > 1.The trident which Shiva holds on his left hand is equal to the cross > of the Christians. The cross is a Roman torture device. Jesus (assuming he even existed and is not a composite of other " messiahs " of the time) was executed by the local Roman governor for political subversion. This has nothing to do with the trishul which symbolizes Shiva Bhagavans shaktis of iccha, kriya, and jnana. > 2. The damaru he holds in his right hand is like the star of David of > the Jews. The Magen David ( " Shield of David " ) represents the Jewish Gods protection of that ancient Israeli king and hence the Jewish people. A Damaru is a drum from which Shiva Bhagavan manifested the Sanskrit letters. What does a shield have to do with a drum? > 3.The crescent on his head is like the crescent of the Moslems. It is ironic in light of your obsession with (non-existent) problems in the Hindu calendars that you don't realize that the crescent moon is important in Islam because their calendar is so backward they did not have the ability to predict lunar cycles. A mullah had to actually physically observe the newly waxing moon in order to mark the beginning of a month. Needless to say Shiva bhagavans wearing of the moon as a hair ornament has nothing to do with calendars. > 4.The ganga he holds on the top of his head, is the ushnisha lotus of > the Buddhists, shown on Buddha's head with curled hair and the ushnisa > flame at the centre. The Ganga is a river. What does that have to do with a flower? > Now coming to the three stories about Shiva his marriage with Sati > devi is Karma yoga.His marriage with Parvati is Bhakti yoga and his > marriage with Ganga is Gyan yoga. Uh marriage with Ganga? Where are you getting that from? > The story of karma yoga is embraced by Christianity.It is the religion > of social service.The sun is their centre. The sun has nothing to do with Christian theology or practice. > The story of Bhakti yoga is embraced by the Moslems, with their > absolute devotion to Allah.Their centre of attention is the lunar > orbit.The Kaaba in Mecca is the centre of the lunar orbit, where Adam > and Eve are said to have met. Said by whom? The kaaba is said to be built by Ibrahim according to Muslims. Hubal and Alaat two of the principal deities worshipped in Mecca by the Arabs are lunar but others were not and in any case their worship was abolished by Islam. > The story of Gyan yoga is embraced by the Buddhists.Their centre of > attention is the centre of the star system.You may have seen the > Tibetan Buddhists with their prayer wheel in hand.When they rotate it, > they are trying to look around the star world. Ganga on Shiva's head > is the circle of the star world or milky way. The knowledge of the > circle of stars is known as gyan yoga. > The star world is also known as paradise or Eden in the old testament > Bible.The Garden east of Eden is the earth orbit around the sun or our > world. The Garden of Eden is said in all Jewish, Christian, and Muslim traditions to be a location on Earth. > The Hindus call this garden as Bharat varsha No they do not. Bharatavarsha is the Indian subcontinent which is considerably larger than a garden. > and all the > pilgrimages are set accordingly to represnt the various positions of > the earth while it travels around the sun. No they are not. Some yatras like kumbha mela are based on jyotish considerations but by no means all of them. > I have given the basics of the basic knowledge of religious studies. What you have done is to make up some unfounded nonsense from your own imagination. Not only have you distorted the beliefs of Hinduism, you have distorted the beliefs of many other religions as well. Is this tolerance? If some Westerners are taking a sincere interest in Shiva Bhagavan, is this how you intend to repay them? With lies? True respect for all faiths is achieved by taking seriously what they say. To mindlessly assert they are all the same is disrespectful. If some Americans are now replacing " cafeteria Christianity " with " cafeteria Hinduism " it is nothing to celebrate. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 pls google kaba stone shiva lingam u will get everything with pics. On 8/21/09, Ramesh Krishnamoorthy <ramdaus wrote: Well said Shree Jaldhar ji, Hinduism by no means comparable to other religions as it is a way of life. It is not built upon a person, book or doctrine. The truths perceived by various sages are carried forward for ages through Smarana or Hearing. You know why Smarana? Because if it is written, there are high chances that intrusion may take place, as it did in other holy books. If one recites the slokha right from the start, it flows like a mighty river and an intrusion cannot take place. IMHO. One can interpret anything with anything. But reasons and interpretations are not explanations. There are foolish people who compare the Shiva Linga with a phallus. It has been rubbished by none other than the great Swami Vivekananda by quoting the Vedas. PS: I have heard that the black stone in Kabba is nothing but a Shiva Linga. Legend has it that King Vikramaditya ruled over that region. Again, I don't have any proof to back this up, but I won't interpret something. Do we all know that the Taj Mahal is actually Tejo Mahalaya, a Shiva Temple? Please see stephen-knapp.com or search Google. PranaamRamesh On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar wrote: On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, wrote:> Dear Joanelyia, > Namaskar!Thank you for your interest. Yes I will try to impart certain> things which I may be knowing in the comprative religious studies.> Since we are in the Om namah shivaya forum I would firstly like to > compare the obvious symobls of Shiva's body with the symbols of other> religions.>> 1.The trident which Shiva holds on his left hand is equal to the cross> of the Christians.The cross is a Roman torture device. Jesus (assuming he even existed and is not a composite of other " messiahs " of the time) was executed by the local Roman governor for political subversion. This has nothing to do with the trishul which symbolizes Shiva Bhagavans shaktis of iccha, kriya, and jnana.> 2. The damaru he holds in his right hand is like the star of David of> the Jews.The Magen David ( " Shield of David " ) represents the Jewish Gods protection of that ancient Israeli king and hence the Jewish people. A Damaru is a drum from which Shiva Bhagavan manifested the Sanskrit letters. What does a shield have to do with a drum?> 3.The crescent on his head is like the crescent of the Moslems.It is ironic in light of your obsession with (non-existent) problems in the Hindu calendars that you don't realize that the crescent moon is important in Islam because their calendar is so backward they did not have the ability to predict lunar cycles. A mullah had to actually physically observe the newly waxing moon in order to mark the beginning of a month. Needless to say Shiva bhagavans wearing of the moon as a hair ornament has nothing to do with calendars.> 4.The ganga he holds on the top of his head, is the ushnisha lotus of > the Buddhists, shown on Buddha's head with curled hair and the ushnisa> flame at the centre.The Ganga is a river. What does that have to do with a flower?> Now coming to the three stories about Shiva his marriage with Sati > devi is Karma yoga.His marriage with Parvati is Bhakti yoga and his> marriage with Ganga is Gyan yoga.Uh marriage with Ganga? Where are you getting that from?> The story of karma yoga is embraced by Christianity.It is the religion > of social service.The sun is their centre.The sun has nothing to do with Christian theology or practice.> The story of Bhakti yoga is embraced by the Moslems, with their> absolute devotion to Allah.Their centre of attention is the lunar > orbit.The Kaaba in Mecca is the centre of the lunar orbit, where Adam> and Eve are said to have met.Said by whom? The kaaba is said to be built by Ibrahim according to Muslims. Hubal and Alaat two of the principal deities worshipped in Mecca by the Arabs are lunar but others were not and in any case their worship was abolished by Islam.> The story of Gyan yoga is embraced by the Buddhists.Their centre of> attention is the centre of the star system.You may have seen the > Tibetan Buddhists with their prayer wheel in hand.When they rotate it,> they are trying to look around the star world. Ganga on Shiva's head> is the circle of the star world or milky way. The knowledge of the > circle of stars is known as gyan yoga.> The star world is also known as paradise or Eden in the old testament> Bible.The Garden east of Eden is the earth orbit around the sun or our> world. The Garden of Eden is said in all Jewish, Christian, and Muslim traditions to be a location on Earth.> The Hindus call this garden as Bharat varshaNo they do not. Bharatavarsha is the Indian subcontinent which is considerably larger than a garden.> and all the> pilgrimages are set accordingly to represnt the various positions of> the earth while it travels around the sun.No they are not. Some yatras like kumbha mela are based on jyotish considerations but by no means all of them.> I have given the basics of the basic knowledge of religious studies.What you have done is to make up some unfounded nonsense from your own imagination. Not only have you distorted the beliefs of Hinduism, you have distorted the beliefs of many other religions as well. Is this tolerance? If some Westerners are taking a sincere interest in Shiva Bhagavan, is this how you intend to repay them? With lies?True respect for all faiths is achieved by taking seriously what they say. To mindlessly assert they are all the same is disrespectful. If some Americans are now replacing " cafeteria Christianity " with " cafeteria Hinduism " it is nothing to celebrate.-- Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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