Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Is religion in conflict with science? Scientists from NASA this week reported that they have detected the amino acid glycine in samples of the comet Wild 2 gathered by the spacecraft Stardust, adding ammunition to the theory that life on Earth may have extraterrestrial beginnings and that life may exist elsewhere in space. The discovery was made by mass spectrometry and "supports the theory that some of life's ingredients formed in space and were delivered to Earth long ago by meteorite and comet impacts," Jamie Elsila, lead author of a study to be published on the research and an astrochemist at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, said in a statement. The most common form of carbon, carbon 12, has six protons and six neutrons in its nucleus. A glycine molecule from space, however, tends to have more of the heavier isotope carbon 13, which carries an extra neutron in its nucleus, than a glycine from Earth. Because the glycine from the Stardust samples contained carbon 13, "the carbon isotopic signature was extraterrestrial, proving that this glycine is cometary," Elsila said. With this kind of information coming from scientists, how do we reconcile these facts with creation theory of the Hindus that the humans originated from the body parts of God? I would welcome comments and opinions from the members of the group. http://www.genomeweb.com/proteomics/it-came-outer-space-nasa-scientists-report-glycine-found-comet The following Biblical information has been discounted long time ago. 1st day: Sunday, October 23, 4004 BC. God creates light ("Let there be light!") - the first divine command. The light is divided from the darkness, and "day" and "night" are named. 2nd day: Monday October 24, 4004 B.C. Waters above was separated from waters below. 3rd day: Tuesday October 25, 4004 B.C. Waters below coalesced into seas, so dry land appeared. God commands earth to bring forth grass, plants and fruit-bearing trees. Rivers and Garden of Eden were created. 4th day: Wednesday October 26, 4004 B.C. Sun, Moon and the Stars were created. Years, seasons, light, darkness, days, nights, weeks, months were created. 5th day: Thursday October 27, 4004 B.C. Teeming living creatures, birds, and sea creatures were created. 6th day: Friday October 28, 4004 B.C. More living creatures (beasts, livestock, reptiles) were created. Man and Woman in the form of Adam and Eve were created and were asked to multiply and subdue earth (and not to exploit earth). Man and animals were given plants to eat. (Man is not to eat animals.) Adam was created in His image so he will have knowledge of the divine. 7th day: Saturday October 29, 4004 B.C. God sanctifies the 7th day; it is a day of rest and Sabbath, Friday for Muslims, Saturday for Jews and Sunday for Christians. Veeraswamy Krishnaraj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 God created the universe in 7 days and he rested on the 7th day - very kiddish and rubbish to the common senses. Did God create weekdays first and then started the creation OR he started the creation and then named the first weekday as Sunday and so on? Give me a break Missionaries!On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:27 AM, <myumbra-bgusa wrote: Is religion in conflict with science? Scientists from NASA this week reported that they have detected the amino acid glycine in samples of the comet Wild 2 gathered by the spacecraft Stardust, adding ammunition to the theory that life on Earth may have extraterrestrial beginnings and that life may exist elsewhere in space. The discovery was made by mass spectrometry and " supports the theory that some of life's ingredients formed in space and were delivered to Earth long ago by meteorite and comet impacts, " Jamie Elsila, lead author of a study to be published on the research and an astrochemist at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, said in a statement. The most common form of carbon, carbon 12, has six protons and six neutrons in its nucleus. A glycine molecule from space, however, tends to have more of the heavier isotope carbon 13, which carries an extra neutron in its nucleus, than a glycine from Earth. Because the glycine from the Stardust samples contained carbon 13, " the carbon isotopic signature was extraterrestrial, proving that this glycine is cometary, " Elsila said. With this kind of information coming from scientists, how do we reconcile these facts with creation theory of the Hindus that the humans originated from the body parts of God? I would welcome comments and opinions from the members of the group. http://www.genomeweb.com/proteomics/it-came-outer-space-nasa-scientists-report-glycine-found-comet The following Biblical information has been discounted long time ago. 1st day: Sunday, October 23, 4004 BC. God creates light ( " Let there be light! " ) - the first divine command. The light is divided from the darkness, and " day " and " night " are named. 2nd day: Monday October 24, 4004 B.C. Waters above was separated from waters below. 3rd day: Tuesday October 25, 4004 B.C. Waters below coalesced into seas, so dry land appeared. God commands earth to bring forth grass, plants and fruit-bearing trees. Rivers and Garden of Eden were created. 4th day: Wednesday October 26, 4004 B.C. Sun, Moon and the Stars were created. Years, seasons, light, darkness, days, nights, weeks, months were created. 5th day: Thursday October 27, 4004 B.C. Teeming living creatures, birds, and sea creatures were created. 6th day: Friday October 28, 4004 B.C. More living creatures (beasts, livestock, reptiles) were created. Man and Woman in the form of Adam and Eve were created and were asked to multiply and subdue earth (and not to exploit earth). Man and animals were given plants to eat. (Man is not to eat animals.) Adam was created in His image so he will have knowledge of the divine. 7th day: Saturday October 29, 4004 B.C. God sanctifies the 7th day; it is a day of rest and Sabbath, Friday for Muslims, Saturday for Jews and Sunday for Christians. Veeraswamy Krishnaraj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 While I really shouldn't ( given the behaviour of Christian zealots and their intolerance to Hindus), this needs explanation. God created the universe in 7 days and he rested on the 7th day - very kiddish and rubbish to the common senses. Have you asked yourself how long is a day of GOD ? The common assumption is that a day of God is a day of Humans. According to Hindu time scales : One day in the life of Brahma is called a Kalpa or 4.32 billion years (the approximate life span of the earth).[1][2] Every Kalpa (one day in the life of Brahma), Brahma creates 14 Manus one after the other, who in turn manifest and regulate this world. Thus, there are fourteen generations of Manu in each Kalpa (one day of Brahma). Each Manu’s life (Manvantara) consists of 71 Chaturyugas (quartets of Yugas or eras).[3] Each Chaturyuga is composed of four eras or Yugas: Satya, Treta, Dwapara and Kali.[4] The span of the Satya Yuga is 1,728,000 human years, Treta Yuga is 1,296,000 human years long, the Dwapara Yuga 864,000 human years and the Kali Yuga 432,000 human years.[5] When Manu perishes at the end of his life, Brahma creates the next Manu and the cycle continues until all fourteen Manus and the Universe perish by the end of Bramha's day. When 'night' falls, Brahma goes to sleep for a period of 4.32 billion years, which is a period of time equal one day (of Brahma) and the lives of fourteen Manus. The next 'morning', Brahma creates fourteen additional Manus in sequence just as he has done on the previous 'day'. The cycle goes on for 100 'divine years' at the end of which Brahma perishes and is regenerated. Bramha's entire life equals 311 trillion, 40 billion years. Once Bramha dies there is an equal period of unmanifestation for 311 trillion, 40 billion years, until the next Bramha is created. Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cosmology If I am not mistaken in the Book of John, a person ( don't recall his name) asks an angel how long is a day of God and the response was "it is like a thousand humans years" which is how Christians came up with the six thousand years creation theory. Note: The angel did not say it IS a thousand years, he said it is like. Secondly Scientists from NASA this week reported that they have detected the amino acid glycine in samples of the comet Wild 2 gathered by the spacecraft Stardust, adding ammunition to the theory that life on Earth may have extraterrestrial beginnings and that life may exist elsewhere in space. There is life on other planets, however it may not be in the form that we recognise as life. Currently on this very planet, there are beings that exist and have co existed for as long as we have been here. This is recognized when one develops an evolved consciousness and has the necessary power of mind to be able to perceive this. In the Torah ( Old Testament) various classes of angelic beings are referred to such as Powers, Thrones, Dominions, etc. These are Arch angels (higher powers) and Angels. There are also Demons. In Hinduism we have this also which are referred to as Devatas ( Para, Maha, Deva), Ghandharva, Kinara, Picaca, Preta, Bhuta etc. These are spirit entities that exist at higher frequencies of energy, so while they co-exist with us they are not readily/easily recognizable to our limited senses. These (devas) and other spirit entities are capable of traveling/manifesting at the speed of thought. ( which is why mantras are used to contact their energy) With this kind of information coming from scientists, how do we reconcile these facts with creation theory of the Hindus that the humans originated from the body parts of God? Has anyone ever seen the body of God ? In the bible it also says that man is made in the image and likeness of God, people have assumed this to mean that GOD is a man. What is referred to by this statement is that all of the principles that are manifest in creating the universe are also present in humans. The Universe is the Body of God which is why God is referred to as Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent. Bhagavan Shiva is pure consciousness this means he can assume ANY form. The mother Goddess is referred to as Shakti - Force/ Pure energy, this means that she also is present in all forms of matter ! The problem that humans have is that they are generally very limited mentally to be able to perceive this. At genius level most humans are thought to use only 10-15% of the brain's capacity. It is Consciousness + Energy which causes ALL creation to manifest. FYI -One of the names of Bhagavan Shiva is Digambara - Robed in space One of the names of Kali Ma is Vishvamata - Cosmic Mother The different classes of beings being created from the body of God refers to different states of vibration i.e. Varna Body part of God Color Brahmin Head White Kshatriya Chest and Shoulders Red Vaishya Loin and Thighs Yellow Shudra Feet Black These different colors are frequencies of vibration of the persons energy ( dominant aura color ) and indicate the nature of occupation that they are suited for. --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Ramesh Krishnamoorthy <ramdaus wrote:Ramesh Krishnamoorthy <ramdausRe: Religion and science Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 12:14 AM God created the universe in 7 days and he rested on the 7th day - very kiddish and rubbish to the common senses. Did God create weekdays first and then started the creation OR he started the creation and then named the first weekday as Sunday and so on? Give me a break Missionaries!On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:27 AM, <myumbra-bgusa@ > wrote: Is religion in conflict with science? Scientists from NASA this week reported that they have detected the amino acid glycine in samples of the comet Wild 2 gathered by the spacecraft Stardust, adding ammunition to the theory that life on Earth may have extraterrestrial beginnings and that life may exist elsewhere in space. The discovery was made by mass spectrometry and "supports the theory that some of life's ingredients formed in space and were delivered to Earth long ago by meteorite and comet impacts," Jamie Elsila, lead author of a study to be published on the research and an astrochemist at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, said in a statement. The most common form of carbon, carbon 12, has six protons and six neutrons in its nucleus. A glycine molecule from space, however, tends to have more of the heavier isotope carbon 13, which carries an extra neutron in its nucleus, than a glycine from Earth. Because the glycine from the Stardust samples contained carbon 13, "the carbon isotopic signature was extraterrestrial, proving that this glycine is cometary," Elsila said. With this kind of information coming from scientists, how do we reconcile these facts with creation theory of the Hindus that the humans originated from the body parts of God? I would welcome comments and opinions from the members of the group. http://www.genomewe b.com/proteomics /it-came- outer-space- nasa-scientists- report-glycine- found-comet The following Biblical information has been discounted long time ago. 1st day: Sunday, October 23, 4004 BC. God creates light ("Let there be light!") - the first divine command. The light is divided from the darkness, and "day" and "night" are named. 2nd day: Monday October 24, 4004 B.C. Waters above was separated from waters below. 3rd day: Tuesday October 25, 4004 B.C. Waters below coalesced into seas, so dry land appeared. God commands earth to bring forth grass, plants and fruit-bearing trees. Rivers and Garden of Eden were created. 4th day: Wednesday October 26, 4004 B.C. Sun, Moon and the Stars were created. Years, seasons, light, darkness, days, nights, weeks, months were created. 5th day: Thursday October 27, 4004 B.C. Teeming living creatures, birds, and sea creatures were created. 6th day: Friday October 28, 4004 B.C. More living creatures (beasts, livestock, reptiles) were created. Man and Woman in the form of Adam and Eve were created and were asked to multiply and subdue earth (and not to exploit earth). Man and animals were given plants to eat. (Man is not to eat animals.) Adam was created in His image so he will have knowledge of the divine. 7th day: Saturday October 29, 4004 B.C. God sanctifies the 7th day; it is a day of rest and Sabbath, Friday for Muslims, Saturday for Jews and Sunday for Christians. Veeraswamy Krishnaraj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Dear respected Dev Maharajji, Namaskar!I am happy to read about your sagacious comments on creation of humans as in the image of god.your comments on humans being in the image of god or the universe is also commendable.These things have been the subjects of my study for along time and by god's, grace I am able to sustantiate all you have said in more concrete and scientific terms. To cut the long story short,the universe that we resemble as humans is like this.The earth travels around the sun every year.from the shortest day to the longest day, the earth travels about 30 crore kilometers.This I have found to be the length of the body of God whom we resemble.These two points are thus the length of the spine of god. thus they are known as uttarayan and dakhinayan in our dharma shastras.The sun at the middle of this circle is the sun which is the heart of god.The moon is that which goes round the earth,in this trip a circle is made and that is the brain of god.Thus this width of brain or head is about 8 lakhs kilometers. This is the size of the body and the head of god. To match all these dimension of god's body we celebrate the festivals, at various time of the year and also on various lunar tithis.If these celebrations are correct we are at peace with the truth or God, otherwise not. Now one day of brahma has been fixed as per some puranas as 26000 years and one mnawantar as 2150 years approximately.one nmanwantar is when the seasons shift one fullmonth.This has already occurred. At present we have to shift one whole month and correct the festival time. If you want more information please visit parvasudhar forum, where I shall invite you.Thank you for your timely guidance in the above matter, before also. Regards, Hari Malla , Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj wrote: > > While I really shouldn't ( given the behaviour of Christian zealots and their intolerance to Hindus), this needs explanation. > > > God created the universe in 7 days and he rested on the 7th day - very kiddish and rubbish to the common senses. > > > > Have you asked yourself how long is a day of GOD ? The common assumption is that a day of God is a day of Humans. > > > > According to Hindu time scales : > > > > One day in the life of Brahma is called a Kalpa or 4.32 billion years (the approximate life span of the earth).[1][2] Every Kalpa (one day in the life of Brahma), Brahma creates 14 Manus one after the other, who in turn manifest and regulate this world. Thus, there are fourteen generations of Manu in each Kalpa (one day of Brahma). Each Manu’s life (Manvantara) consists of 71 Chaturyugas (quartets of Yugas or eras).[3] Each Chaturyuga is composed of four eras or Yugas: Satya, Treta, Dwapara and Kali.[4] > The span of the Satya Yuga is 1,728,000 human years, Treta Yuga is 1,296,000 human years long, the Dwapara Yuga 864,000 human years and the Kali Yuga 432,000 human years.[5] When Manu perishes at the end of his life, Brahma creates the next Manu and the cycle continues until all fourteen Manus and the Universe > perish by the end of Bramha's day. When 'night' falls, Brahma goes to > sleep for a period of 4.32 billion years, which is a period of time > equal one day (of Brahma) and the lives of fourteen Manus. > The next 'morning', Brahma creates fourteen additional Manus in > sequence just as he has done on the previous 'day'. The cycle goes on > for 100 'divine years' at the end of which Brahma > perishes and is regenerated. Bramha's entire life equals 311 trillion, > 40 billion years. Once Bramha dies there is an equal period of > unmanifestation for 311 trillion, 40 billion years, until the next > Bramha is created. > Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cosmology > > > > If I am not mistaken in the Book of John, a person ( don't recall his > name) asks an angel how long is a day of God and the response was " it > is like a thousand humans years " > > which is how Christians came up with the six thousand years creation > theory. Note: The angel did not say it IS a thousand years, he said it > is like. > > > > > > Secondly > > > > Scientists from NASA this week reported that they have > detected the amino acid glycine in samples of the comet Wild 2 gathered by the > spacecraft Stardust, adding ammunition to the theory that life on Earth may > have extraterrestrial beginnings and that life may exist elsewhere in space. > > > > There is life on other planets, however it may not be in the form that we recognise as life. > > Currently on this very planet, there are beings that exist and have co > existed for as long as we have been here. This is recognized when one > develops an evolved consciousness and has the necessary power of mind > to be able to perceive this. > > > > In the Torah ( Old Testament) various classes of angelic beings are > referred to such as Powers, Thrones, Dominions, etc. These are Arch > angels (higher powers) and Angels. > > There are also Demons. > > > > In Hinduism we have this also which are referred to as Devatas ( Para, > Maha, Deva), Ghandharva, Kinara, Picaca, Preta, Bhuta etc. > > > > These are spirit entities that exist at higher frequencies of energy, > so while they co-exist with us they are not readily/easily recognizable > to our limited senses. These (devas) and other spirit entities are > capable of traveling/manifesting at the speed of thought. ( which is > why mantras are used to contact their energy) > > > > With this kind of information coming from scientists, how do > we reconcile these facts with creation theory of the Hindus that the humans > originated from the body parts of God? > > > > Has anyone ever seen the body of God ? In the bible it also says that > man is made in the image and likeness of God, people have assumed this > to mean that GOD is a man. > > What is referred to by this statement is that all of the > principles that are manifest in creating the universe are also present > in humans. > > > > > The Universe is the Body of God which is why God is referred to as Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent. > > > > Bhagavan Shiva is pure consciousness this means he can assume ANY form. > > The mother Goddess is referred to as Shakti - Force/ Pure energy, this means that she also is present in all forms of matter ! > The problem that humans have is that they are generally very limited > mentally to be able to perceive this. At genius level most humans are > thought to use only 10-15% of the brain's capacity. > > > > It is Consciousness + Energy which causes ALL creation to manifest. > > FYI -One of the names of Bhagavan Shiva is Digambara - Robed in space > >       One of the names of Kali Ma is Vishvamata - Cosmic Mother > > > > > > The different classes of beings being created from the body of God refers to different states of vibration i.e. > > > > Varna       Body part of God                      Color > > > > Brahmin         Head                                      \   White > > Kshatriya       Chest and Shoulders                  Red > > Vaishya         Loin and Thighs                         Yellow > > Shudra           Feet                                      \    Black > > > > These different colors are frequencies of vibration of the persons > energy ( dominant aura color ) and indicate the nature of occupation > that they are suited for. > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Ramesh Krishnamoorthy <ramdaus wrote: > > Ramesh Krishnamoorthy <ramdaus > Re: Religion and science > > Thursday, August 20, 2009, 12:14 AM  > > > > > > God created the universe in 7 days and he rested on the 7th day - very kiddish and rubbish to the common senses. > Did God create weekdays first and then started the creation OR he started the creation and then named the first weekday as Sunday and so on? > > Give me a break Missionaries! > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:27 AM, <myumbra-bgusa@ > wrote: > > > > > > >  > Is religion in conflict with science? > > > Scientists from NASA this week reported that they have > detected the amino acid glycine in samples of the comet Wild 2 gathered by the > spacecraft Stardust, adding ammunition to the theory that life on Earth may > have extraterrestrial beginnings and that life may exist elsewhere in space. > > The discovery was made by mass spectrometry and > " supports the theory that some of life's ingredients formed in space and > were delivered to Earth long ago by meteorite and comet impacts, " Jamie > Elsila, lead author of a study to be published on the research and an > astrochemist at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, said in a statement. > > The most common form of carbon, carbon 12, has six protons > and six neutrons in its nucleus. A glycine molecule from space, however, tends > to have more of the heavier isotope carbon 13, which carries an extra neutron > in its nucleus, than a glycine from Earth. Because the glycine from the > Stardust samples contained carbon 13, " the carbon isotopic signature was > extraterrestrial, proving that this glycine is cometary, " Elsila said. > > With this kind of information coming from scientists, how do > we reconcile these facts with creation theory of the Hindus that the humans > originated from the body parts of God? > > I would welcome comments and opinions from the members of > the group. > > http://www.genomewe b.com/proteomics /it-came- outer-space- nasa-scientists- report-glycine- found-comet > > > The following Biblical information has been discounted long > time ago. > > 1st day: > Sunday, October 23, 4004 BC. God creates light ( " Let there be > light! " ) - the first divine command. The light is divided from the > darkness, and " day " and " night " are named. > > 2nd day: Monday > October 24, 4004 B.C. Waters above was separated from waters below. > > 3rd day: Tuesday > October 25, 4004 B.C. Waters below coalesced into seas, so dry land > appeared. God commands earth to bring forth grass, plants and fruit-bearing > trees. Rivers and Garden of Eden were created. > > 4th > day: Wednesday October 26, 4004 B.C. Sun, Moon and the Stars were created. > Years, seasons, light, darkness, days, nights, weeks, months were created. > > 5th day: > Thursday October 27, 4004 B.C. Teeming living creatures, birds, and sea > creatures were created. > > 6th day: Friday > October 28, 4004 B.C. More living creatures (beasts, livestock, reptiles) were > created. Man and Woman in the form of Adam and Eve were created and were > asked to multiply and subdue earth (and not to exploit earth). Man and > animals were given plants to eat. (Man is not to eat animals.) Adam was created > in His image so he will have knowledge of the divine. > > 7th day: > Saturday October 29, 4004 B.C. God sanctifies the 7th day; it is a day of rest > and Sabbath, Friday for Muslims, Saturday for Jews and Sunday for Christians. > Veeraswamy Krishnaraj > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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