Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 parvasudhar2065 , " harimalla " <harimalla wrote: Dear Respected Dev Maharajji, May I thank you, although belated, for your very sagacious suggestions mentioned in the mail hereunder.I think you are quite right in all that you have said. The method I am following is as follows to convince the intellectuals so it becomes vedic, as originally demanded by the dharma shastras.The priority is as follows: 1.The lunar tithi should get the first priority to match with the seasons. 2.Then we should consider the solar sankranti which falls on the mid of the tiithi fluctuation. 3. Thirdly, the seasonal sankranti should also match with both of the above two types of dates in a coordinated fashion, since our system is coordinating the lunar and the solar dates every third year by adhimas. 4,To match with all the above requirements, it has been found that we have to shift just one full month of both solar and lunar dates backwards and keep all the remaining systems as they are of today. Following the above steps, I am trying to get a consensus from the scholars and laymen alike. May I request you to have your opinion if you think the above steps are proper or not, with respect to our dharma? Would you accept the solution as proposed above? Please give your opinion.Thank you. Regards, Hari Malla parvasudhar2065 , " harimalla@ " <harimalla@> wrote: > > Aum > > Namaste > > I am curious to know if you give importance to calender reform as a way to go to Lord Shiva? > > While I do not deny that Astrology can play an important part in our development, I also think that its role needs to be appropriately understood. > > In the main, calendars are for establishing an auspicious/correct time for > performance of rituals, which most likely will produce auspicious results for the > practitioner( s). It can also be used for analyzing the astrological energy that affect the disposition of a person, to establish what are possible karmic outcomes and remedial actions of same. It is also useful for establishing and regulating religious activites for the community. > > However, this is not an exact science, if it used only from what is in the books ! > The additional thing that is required (that is not very prevalent these days) is the > development of psychic faculties of the person performing the analysis. > In days of old, Jyotishis used to perform Puja (daily and before) doing their work. > By performing Puja to Surya Devata especially, it bestows intutive understanding > of what is being read, for more accuracy. > > These days, fire up your PC and you are good to go, instant astrology ! > Of course, we will have EXPERTS who will argue until infinity how right their anaylsis is ! > Understanding the source texts, quoting the exact slokas, and performing calulations etc. is only one step, the bigger and more important one is understanding the universal ENERGY. For this, one has to attune oneself to the universe, which is developed through Yogic practices and meditation especially - Ref. Swara Yoga. This is only one aspect of what it takes to go to Bhagavan Siva. > > You also have Karma and Dharma, you see the choices you make on a daily basis > affects how you progress spiritually. What should be constantly sought is purity of your thought, word and deeds with correct intention. For this, one has to engage in different forms of Sadhana under the guidance of a qualified guru to elevate ones conciousness. This is one of the keys for going to Bhagvan Siva, he is pure consciousness and it is by this development one will be able to communicate with him (with the intention of getting his guidance). This is neither easy nor is it fast. So one has to be consistent and steadfast in devotion ! > > Calendar reform can be useful, however, the first thing that needs to happen is that the Astrologers need to develop the proper attitude. Many of them that I have run into are > overly argumentative people who are unwilling to sit and dispassionately discuss the > topic ! > > If a conference can be arranged where various " experts " who have a high degree of success can come together and both rationally and dispassionately discuss the issues. > I beleive they might do some good, if they can establish systemic guidelines and conventions that are universally applicable. I myself am always annoyed by the constant turmoil, arguments and strife the conflicting calendars cause in the community ! > > I am completely convinced that after calender reform, we shall go to Shiva much more easily than we are doing now.Thus our belief will be faster and more firm than it is now. > > I am agreeing that this hopefully will alleviate our community conflicts, fights etc. > However, regardless of calendars we should be firm in our resolve to perform our religious and spiritual duties. As for going to Bhagavan Siva, that is by his will and grace alone, be guided accordingly ! > > Namah Sivaya > > Aum > > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, harimalla@rocketmai l.com <harimalla@rocketmai l.com> wrote: > > > harimalla@rocketmai l.com <harimalla@rocketmai l.com> > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: How to understand concept " belief in God' ..? > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 9:01 PM > > > Dear Dev Maharaj, > I am curious to know if you give importance to calender reform as a way to go to Lord Shiva? I am combletely convinced that after calender reform, we shall go to Shiva much more easily than we are doing now.Thus our belief will be faster and more firm tahtn it is now. > Do you remember the story of how Brahma and Vishnu quarrelled with each other as to who was the greater.Finally Shiva abbeared as a jyotirlinga and solved their quarrel when they found that somebody else ie Shiva was the suberior to both of them. > After calender reform the abbearance of Shiva is faster when the quarrel abbears between Brahma and vishnu within our mind.Brahma is our duty and Vishnu is our love.In life there is always a quarrel as to which is more important our duty or our love.Then finally we realise our sbiritual discrimination is more important than either duty or love.This is Shiva, sbiritual discrimination within us. > So Let us give first briority to calender reform.Thank you. > SIncerely yours, > Hari Malla > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj@ ....> wrote: > > > > Namaste : > > > > A small practice that I wish to share with you, prior to doing Puja I pray that whatever mistakes I am about to commit through thought, word and deed by omission or commission; that I be forgiven for my ignorance and incompetence. I then surrender myself to Bhagavan Siva and mentally prostrate to his feet, while supplicating him as my guru,... then I start worship in a formal way. I normally take my time while doing this until I feel mentally comfortable. When I am finished, I repeat the process and beg his pardon for my faults and defects. I have found this to be extremely effective for me and think it might work for others as well. By the way his grace comes in many ways, I prayed for the last sixteen years for something that I thought I needed. I have never received this, but there are many things that came to me unexpectedly that were of extremely high value. Always try to see things for what they are, you would be surprised how often we trivialize > > things because we are focusing on something else and so cannot appreciate what we have. > > > > Namah Sivaya > > > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, karamcheti viswanadha Babu <karamcheti008@ ...> wrote: > > > > karamcheti viswanadha Babu <karamcheti008@ ...> > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] How to understand concept " belief in God' ..? > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 4:41 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > I am the real devotee of Lord Siva from 16 years, every time I use to pray for everything, but his grace has not passed on me > > YOurs > > K.Viswanadha Babu > > Cell: 9885052119 > > E.Mail: Karamcheti008@ > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil@ > wrote: > > > > > > VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil@ > > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] How to understand concept " belief in God' ..? > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:31 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > ------------ - > > question ; > >  > > Due to some reasons, at times feel that God is not there....   > >  > > kindly enlighten ... > >  viji vkn > > ---------- > >  > > This is happening because you have not tried to know God. You have only belief in God. Let us see the following ; > >  > >  > > You have your mother. It is a truth. She suggested a man to you to call him your father. Here mother is a truth and father is a question of suggestion, father is a question of law.   Hope this you will agree.  Yes or No….? > >  > > You have been staying in your house with your parents. For last 20/25 years you saw your father, you have seen your father’s activities, you have seen your father taking all the pain to bring you up, to give you all the things you wanted, you need, he talks to you with love, he expresses his longings towards you, he brings everything for you, he spends for your tuition fee, he takes you to the doctor when you are sick, he takes you for a tour, he gets angry towards others on your behalf..  All these things you experience in your life. When you were one year old or below that, or when two years, you do not go to his palms, hands of your father, you do not go to his lap and you would like to be with your mother. > > Slowly from his actions, from his behaviour, from his approach, from his talk, from his expressions etc you start developing a dependency on him, you start experiencing  a longing towards your father, you start feeling that it is your father. > >  > > Here what has happened. From beginning you have been undergoing a process of learning and knowing your father. You have experienced for a long time the doings of your father and you are now sure that whatever he does for you, it will be in the best interest of you.. > >  > > On the other hand, you do not have to experience your mother from her actions. The first suggestion of your mother that ‘call him father’, blindly you followed. You had no doubt at all at that time, nothing contrary came to your mind, whether to call that man father or not. What does this mean. You fully believe your mother. No body told you to call her as mother. It is a natural process. When you were in your mother’s womb, you had the belief, when you started growing there, this belief was there, when you came to this world, you have that belief, when you grew up, you have the belief, when you became old, you have the belief, when you are vanishing from this world, you are going with > > this belief with you. This means, you have knew your mother through the birth and death process. By this process, the belief is there from the very beginning of you, it will be there unto your death. The knowing process was completed even before this present birth. Once the knowing process is completed, the belief become solid (achanchal).  You need not get a DNA to prove  that she is your mother. But a DNA is required to prove that he is your father. If the DNA result conducted on father is negative, then what will be your fate….? You are, you will, still at a confustion.. You will feel that he is not my father but your other mind will say that, even if DNA is negative, what is wrong in accepting him as father. This thought comes from your experience, from your conscious. > >  > > Now in the case of your father, you are in the process of knowing him and after process of time, over a period of time you believe him.  > >    > > Without knowing a principle, without knowing a person, without knowing a matter, a thing, without knowing an ideology, you cannot have belief. When you start studying about some thing, you start knowing about it. > >  > > Suppose, train number 2323 Nizamuddin Express, you are boarding from Nizamuddin, you know that it will reach you Mumbai. It is not your belief which takes to the railway station, it is not your belief which tells you to get into that 2323 number train, but you knew that this particular train is to Mumbai. Contrary to this, you went to the railway station, you saw one train in the first platform, you got into it.. If you believe the train, it will take you to Calcutta or Chennai instead of Mumbai.  Because you did not knew the number of the train. > >  > > From this it is clear that you should not believe anything blindly because it will cheat you, it will desert you,  it will create all sorts of troubles, all sorts of sorrows, all sorts of diseases, it will even invite your end. > >  > > You need not believe God, rather you should not believe God. It is not a thing to believe. God is to be known, God is a matter to know, God is a thinking to know, God is a principle to know, it is the truth to be known, it is the blissful consciousness. Three things are involved in this. One, the thing which is to be known, second, the process of knowing and third, . the person who is knowing (the known, the knowing and the knower) In the process of knowing, when you proceed ahead, you reach a point where you feel that all the three become unison. All the three becomes one, where neither the object, nor the process nor the knower exist, only the supreme bliss you feel, you experience, you infer that it is beyond my capacity to know > > that supreme power.. Then you start believing.  At this stage no coming back, no doubts, no confusion. Whatever you experience, that becomes the truth. Thus GOD is not a believable one but it is an experiencable one. > > > >  > > Trust the above can give a bit to start thinking. > >  > > OM NAMA SIVAYA > > vijayan > >  > > > > > > --- On Sa > > t, 28/3/09, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote: > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] How to understand concept " belief in God' ..? > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Saturday, 28 March, 2009, 7:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friend, > >  > > This happens for everybody, faith always keeps going down unless we sustain it through satsang and some sort of spiritual practice.pray and chant OM NAMAH SHIVAYA regularly and you will find the way. > >  > > God Bless you, > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Divakar. > > > > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, viji <vijivkn (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > viji <vijivkn (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] How to understand concept " belief in God' ...? > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Saturday, March 28, 2009, 3:41 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all sivaites ... > >  > > Due to some reasons, at times feel that God is not there....   > >  > > kindly enlighten ... > >  > > viji vkn > >  > >  > > > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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