Guest guest Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 http://www.rudraksha-world.com/savan.php?gclid=CJqtnZLc7ZsCFYctpAodLSzp-Q Vishveshwara SHIV ki 'Shiv Mahima' Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods).The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls). For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄÂma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥Âà ¤°à ¥Âà ¤¯à ¤®à ¥Âà ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥Â), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes" Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Dear Sir, We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power. DMMRAO--- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1 wrote: Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1 Shri Shiv Date: Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q Vishveshwara SHIV ki 'Shiv Mahima' Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes" Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 My Friend DMMRAO What all Yadav Ji has stated is the truth, why run away form it..and i didnt feel he has made differences between any gods. Just elaborated Load of the Loard Mahadev, nothing wrong in that? Let me tell you a small story. At the time of Shiva and Mata Parvathi marriage the priest ask Lord Shiva for this Gotra to this Narad Ji replies to him by saying. Count begins form one then goes on, there is nothing before one (Ardha Nareshwar). So asking about Gotra of Lord Shiva will be what was there before him and the answer is NO ONE!!!. Try facing the truth my friend.. God Bless you! RAHULSHARMA--- On Fri, 7/24/09, dmm rao <dyfacons wrote: dmm rao <dyfaconsRe: Shri Shiv Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 3:50 AM Dear Sir, We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power. DMMRAO--- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ .in> wrote: Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ .in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q Vishveshwara SHIV ki 'Shiv Mahima' Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes" Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Mr Rahul, It is not clear what you said that "why you run away from it". Some of our friends expressed earlier that this being the Om Namah shivaya Group only matters about Lord Shiva to be discussed here. But most of the subjects discussed here are about Bhagwadgita. However as long as you are gaining knowledge about Hinduism there should not be any problem and in this context I told not to distinguish between Gods. D.M.M.RAO --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Rahul Sharma <toneyrahulsharma wrote: Rahul Sharma <toneyrahulsharmaRe: Shri Shiv Date: Friday, 24 July, 2009, 9:05 PM My Friend DMMRAO What all Yadav Ji has stated is the truth, why run away form it..and i didnt feel he has made differences between any gods. Just elaborated Load of the Loard Mahadev, nothing wrong in that? Let me tell you a small story. At the time of Shiva and Mata Parvathi marriage the priest ask Lord Shiva for this Gotra to this Narad Ji replies to him by saying. Count begins form one then goes on, there is nothing before one (Ardha Nareshwar). So asking about Gotra of Lord Shiva will be what was there before him and the answer is NO ONE!!!. Try facing the truth my friend.. God Bless you! RAHULSHARMA--- On Fri, 7/24/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, July 24, 2009, 3:50 AM Dear Sir, We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power. DMMRAO--- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ .in> wrote: Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ .in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q Vishveshwara SHIV ki 'Shiv Mahima' Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes" Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Dear Moderator/Shiv Bhaktas,I was under the impression that Bhagawat Gita is a Universal scripture of Sanatana Dhrma and that there was no sectarian undertones contained in it. Lord Krishna, though one of the Avatars of Lord Vishnu, has imparted His Divine Messages to us through Arjuna, not as Vishnu but in the Capacity of the Supreme Being. None can claim that Gita is preaching worship of Lord Vishnu. When Lord Krishna tells Arjuna to worship and surrender(Madyaji, Mam Namaskuru and Maam eve saranam vrajasva etc. etc.) to later, He did not mean worshipping or surrendering to Vishnu. I would, therefore, request members to consider whether it would amount to a grave misconduct, if scriptural provisions, say from Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita is quoted and discussed in this forum which, no doubt, carries the name of 'Om Namas Sivaya'. Supreme Being, Vedas and Sanatana Dharam are much much above Vaishnavism or Saivism. They do not discriminate between the various sects in scriptures.Incidentally, Shiva, in Samskrit language means 'Auspicious one'. Shiva, no doubt, is a Major God in Hinduism. He is one among the Trimurtis. In the Saiva tradition, he is the Supreme God. Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva represent the three primary aspects of the Divine in Hindism and are collectively known as Trimurti. Brahma is the creator, Vishnu is the maintainer or preserver, and Shiva is the destroyer or transformer. Adi Sankaracharya, who was an Avatar of Lord Shiva has interpreted the name of Shiva, occurring in Vishnusahasranama to mean the" Pure One", the one who is not affected by the Satva, Rajas and Tamas or the one who purifies everyone by the very utterance of His Name. Thus Shivji is eternally pure and does not have any contamination by the Gunas. The epithets Mahadeva, Paramesvara etc. etc., of Siva indicate that He is Supreme Lord. Vishnu Purana talks of Vishnu awakening and becoming both Brahma to create the world and Shiva to destroy. Srimad Bhagavatam views Shiva as a manifestation of Vishnu. In the Srirudra or Satarudriya Patam of Yajur Veda it has been stated that Shiva is the form of Vishnu. Harihara is the combined name name of a deity form of both Vishnu(Hari) and Shiva(Hara). There could be many texts in which Vishnu might have been depicted as emanated from Siva. We can go on quoting from various texts to prove that there is no bheha between Siva and Vishnu. Bheda is only in the minds of some of us.I would appeal to the moderator to take a view in this regard. In case postings not relating to exclusively Shiva will, henceforth, be not accepted for posting, pl. let me know. I shall not send them to you.G.Balasubramaniandmm rao <dyfacons Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:18:17 AMRe: Shri Shiv Mr Rahul, It is not clear what you said that "why you run away from it". Some of our friends expressed earlier that this being the Om Namah shivaya Group only matters about Lord Shiva to be discussed here. But most of the subjects discussed here are about Bhagwadgita. However as long as you are gaining knowledge about Hinduism there should not be any problem and in this context I told not to distinguish between Gods. D.M.M.RAO --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Rahul Sharma <toneyrahulsharma@ > wrote: Rahul Sharma <toneyrahulsharma@ >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, 24 July, 2009, 9:05 PM My Friend DMMRAO What all Yadav Ji has stated is the truth, why run away form it..and i didnt feel he has made differences between any gods. Just elaborated Load of the Loard Mahadev, nothing wrong in that? Let me tell you a small story. At the time of Shiva and Mata Parvathi marriage the priest ask Lord Shiva for this Gotra to this Narad Ji replies to him by saying. Count begins form one then goes on, there is nothing before one (Ardha Nareshwar). So asking about Gotra of Lord Shiva will be what was there before him and the answer is NO ONE!!!. Try facing the truth my friend.. God Bless you! RAHULSHARMA--- On Fri, 7/24/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, July 24, 2009, 3:50 AM Dear Sir, We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power. DMMRAO--- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ .in> wrote: Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ .in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q Vishveshwara SHIV ki 'Shiv Mahima' Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes" Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dear DMM Rao Ji, Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/childrens/parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculous Regards, Bhupendra , dmm rao <dyfacons wrote: > > Dear Sir, > We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power. > DMMRAO > > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1 wrote: > > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1 > Shri Shiv > > Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM > > >  > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com >  > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q >  > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > 'Shiv Mahima' > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is > humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans > or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. > Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes " an eye " , and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as " Having Three Eyes " >  > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here. > > > > > > > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 meditating picture suggests us to do meditation m.namasivayam--- On Tue, 28/7/09, b_jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: b_jamnadas <b_jamna> Re: Shri Shiv Date: Tuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:37 PM Dear DMM Rao Ji,Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/ childrens/ parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculousRegards,Bhupendraom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power.> DMMRAO> > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> wrote:> > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shiv> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com>  > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q>  > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > 'Shiv Mahima'> Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is> humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans> or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. > Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes">  > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Mr Bhupendra, Perhaps you misread my e-mail that happens when you want to read the other's mind with your own perception. Why should we read the minds of other persons even it may be our family members? Neither I tried to read Lord Shiva's mind and for that matter so far nobody even tried to read Lord's Mind.. We have to analyse the things with our perception but spiritual matters are very difficult to be perceived unless we reach to higher planes of meditation. Simply narrating what is written in Epics has no use but to pursue religious sentiments. I think this may not annoy you. D.M.M.RAO--- On Tue, 28/7/09, nama siva <nama_sivam wrote: nama siva <nama_sivamRe: Re: Shri Shiv Date: Tuesday, 28 July, 2009, 7:24 PM meditating picture suggests us to do meditation m.namasivayam--- On Tue, 28/7/09, b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:37 PM Dear DMM Rao Ji,Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/ childrens/ parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculousRegards,Bhupendraom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power.> DMMRAO> > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> wrote:> > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shiv> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com>  > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q>  > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > 'Shiv Mahima'> Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is> humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans> or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. > Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes">  > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Namaste DMM Rao Ji, I am not reading anyones mind, nor am I narrating what is written in the scriptures. Please explain where do you see me narrating anything? Quote any text from my email that tells you I am narratying anything from scriptures. I am onyl reading what you have written: "However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power" How do you know sir that Lord Siva is meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power? That is my question. My question is not about reading or desiring to read the mind of another human and you know the point I am trying to make, you are simply trying to fudge the issue with meaningless words. Regards, Bhupendra. dmm rao <dyfacons Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:36:10 AMRe: Re: Shri Shiv Mr Bhupendra, Perhaps you misread my e-mail that happens when you want to read the other's mind with your own perception. Why should we read the minds of other persons even it may be our family members? Neither I tried to read Lord Shiva's mind and for that matter so far nobody even tried to read Lord's Mind.. We have to analyse the things with our perception but spiritual matters are very difficult to be perceived unless we reach to higher planes of meditation. Simply narrating what is written in Epics has no use but to pursue religious sentiments. I think this may not annoy you. D.M.M.RAO--- On Tue, 28/7/09, nama siva <nama_sivam > wrote: nama siva <nama_sivam >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 7:24 PM meditating picture suggests us to do meditation m.namasivayam--- On Tue, 28/7/09, b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:37 PM Dear DMM Rao Ji,Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/ childrens/ parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculousRegards,Bhupendraom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power.> DMMRAO> > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> wrote:> > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shiv> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com>  > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q>  > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > 'Shiv Mahima'> Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is> humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans> or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. > Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes">  > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Om Namah Shivaya It is simple assumption that Lord Shiva Mediates all times why He should Mediate He is beyond all these things mggarga --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna>Re: Re: Shri Shiv Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 7:47 PM Namaste DMM Rao Ji, I am not reading anyones mind, nor am I narrating what is written in the scriptures. Please explain where do you see me narrating anything? Quote any text from my email that tells you I am narratying anything from scriptures. I am onyl reading what you have written: "However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power" How do you know sir that Lord Siva is meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power? That is my question. My question is not about reading or desiring to read the mind of another human and you know the point I am trying to make, you are simply trying to fudge the issue with meaningless words. Regards, Bhupendra. dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 29, 2009 6:36:10 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv Mr Bhupendra, Perhaps you misread my e-mail that happens when you want to read the other's mind with your own perception. Why should we read the minds of other persons even it may be our family members? Neither I tried to read Lord Shiva's mind and for that matter so far nobody even tried to read Lord's Mind.. We have to analyse the things with our perception but spiritual matters are very difficult to be perceived unless we reach to higher planes of meditation. Simply narrating what is written in Epics has no use but to pursue religious sentiments. I think this may not annoy you. D.M.M.RAO--- On Tue, 28/7/09, nama siva <nama_sivam > wrote: nama siva <nama_sivam >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 7:24 PM meditating picture suggests us to do meditation m.namasivayam--- On Tue, 28/7/09, b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:37 PM Dear DMM Rao Ji,Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/ childrens/ parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculousRegards,Bhupendraom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power.> DMMRAO> > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> wrote:> > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shiv> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com>  > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q>  > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > 'Shiv Mahima'> Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is> humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans> or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. > Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes">  > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Dear Bhupendarji, Pls. go through my words that Lord Shiva is SEEN meditating all the times. Is it not fact that Lord is seen meditating all the times? Then the other part of my sentence is to acquire higher dimensions. Now relate the word SEEN to the later part of the sentence also. Further this is told to me by my spiritual Guruji. I believe in it, that is why I had written the sentence with the word SEEN to denote my perception formed by my Guruji's teachings. Whatever I had written it is not convection or others to believe blindly. I wanted to analyse it. I think any further dragging the subject becomes a personal aspect and do not lead to spiritual progress. I am sorry if I had hurted your sentimentas. I am adore Lord Shiva D.M.M.RAO --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna>Re: Re: Shri Shiv Date: Wednesday, 29 July, 2009, 7:47 PM Namaste DMM Rao Ji, I am not reading anyones mind, nor am I narrating what is written in the scriptures. Please explain where do you see me narrating anything? Quote any text from my email that tells you I am narratying anything from scriptures. I am onyl reading what you have written: "However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power" How do you know sir that Lord Siva is meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power? That is my question. My question is not about reading or desiring to read the mind of another human and you know the point I am trying to make, you are simply trying to fudge the issue with meaningless words. Regards, Bhupendra. dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 29, 2009 6:36:10 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv Mr Bhupendra, Perhaps you misread my e-mail that happens when you want to read the other's mind with your own perception. Why should we read the minds of other persons even it may be our family members? Neither I tried to read Lord Shiva's mind and for that matter so far nobody even tried to read Lord's Mind... We have to analyse the things with our perception but spiritual matters are very difficult to be perceived unless we reach to higher planes of meditation. Simply narrating what is written in Epics has no use but to pursue religious sentiments. I think this may not annoy you. D.M.M.RAO--- On Tue, 28/7/09, nama siva <nama_sivam > wrote: nama siva <nama_sivam >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 7:24 PM meditating picture suggests us to do meditation m.namasivayam--- On Tue, 28/7/09, b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:37 PM Dear DMM Rao Ji,Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/ childrens/ parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculousRegards,Bhupendraom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power.> DMMRAO> > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> wrote:> > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shiv> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com>  > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q>  > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > 'Shiv Mahima'> Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is> humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans> or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. > Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes">  > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Lord Shiva is beyond all the things, that is why He wanted in Blissful state for the welfare of the Universe. It is not easy to anybody to be meditating all the times and be in Blissful state. This is my perception you may differ with it. D.M.M.RAO--- On Thu, 30/7/09, mg garga <mggarga wrote: mg garga <mggargaRe: Re: Shri Shiv Date: Thursday, 30 July, 2009, 3:03 PM Om Namah Shivaya It is simple assumption that Lord Shiva Mediates all times why He should Mediate He is beyond all these things mggarga --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 29, 2009, 7:47 PM Namaste DMM Rao Ji, I am not reading anyones mind, nor am I narrating what is written in the scriptures. Please explain where do you see me narrating anything? Quote any text from my email that tells you I am narratying anything from scriptures. I am onyl reading what you have written: "However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power" How do you know sir that Lord Siva is meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power? That is my question. My question is not about reading or desiring to read the mind of another human and you know the point I am trying to make, you are simply trying to fudge the issue with meaningless words. Regards, Bhupendra. dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 29, 2009 6:36:10 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv Mr Bhupendra, Perhaps you misread my e-mail that happens when you want to read the other's mind with your own perception. Why should we read the minds of other persons even it may be our family members? Neither I tried to read Lord Shiva's mind and for that matter so far nobody even tried to read Lord's Mind... We have to analyse the things with our perception but spiritual matters are very difficult to be perceived unless we reach to higher planes of meditation. Simply narrating what is written in Epics has no use but to pursue religious sentiments. I think this may not annoy you. D.M.M.RAO--- On Tue, 28/7/09, nama siva <nama_sivam > wrote: nama siva <nama_sivam >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 7:24 PM meditating picture suggests us to do meditation m.namasivayam--- On Tue, 28/7/09, b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:37 PM Dear DMM Rao Ji,Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/ childrens/ parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculousRegards,Bhupendraom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power.> DMMRAO> > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> wrote:> > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shiv> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com>  > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q>  > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > 'Shiv Mahima'> Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is> humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans> or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. > Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes">  > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Dear Sir, With due respects why dont we look at this in this way, Lord Shiva is also considered as universal consciousness and I believe universal consciouness will keep expanding as the universe is expanding every moment. When we meditate our consciousenss expands so May be symbolically Lord Shiva is shown as meditating as lord Shiva is considered as Param Yogi or Supreme Yogi. Other learned members please provide your feedback. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Thu, 7/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons wrote: dmm rao <dyfaconsRe: Re: Shri Shiv Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:46 AM Dear Bhupendarji, Pls. go through my words that Lord Shiva is SEEN meditating all the times. Is it not fact that Lord is seen meditating all the times? Then the other part of my sentence is to acquire higher dimensions. Now relate the word SEEN to the later part of the sentence also. Further this is told to me by my spiritual Guruji. I believe in it, that is why I had written the sentence with the word SEEN to denote my perception formed by my Guruji's teachings. Whatever I had written it is not convection or others to believe blindly. I wanted to analyse it. I think any further dragging the subject becomes a personal aspect and do not lead to spiritual progress. I am sorry if I had hurted your sentimentas. I am adore Lord Shiva D.M.M.RAO --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, 29 July, 2009, 7:47 PM Namaste DMM Rao Ji, I am not reading anyones mind, nor am I narrating what is written in the scriptures. Please explain where do you see me narrating anything? Quote any text from my email that tells you I am narratying anything from scriptures. I am onyl reading what you have written: "However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power" How do you know sir that Lord Siva is meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power? That is my question. My question is not about reading or desiring to read the mind of another human and you know the point I am trying to make, you are simply trying to fudge the issue with meaningless words. Regards, Bhupendra. dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 29, 2009 6:36:10 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv Mr Bhupendra, Perhaps you misread my e-mail that happens when you want to read the other's mind with your own perception. Why should we read the minds of other persons even it may be our family members? Neither I tried to read Lord Shiva's mind and for that matter so far nobody even tried to read Lord's Mind... We have to analyse the things with our perception but spiritual matters are very difficult to be perceived unless we reach to higher planes of meditation. Simply narrating what is written in Epics has no use but to pursue religious sentiments. I think this may not annoy you. D.M.M.RAO--- On Tue, 28/7/09, nama siva <nama_sivam > wrote: nama siva <nama_sivam >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 7:24 PM meditating picture suggests us to do meditation m.namasivayam--- On Tue, 28/7/09, b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:37 PM Dear DMM Rao Ji,Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/ childrens/ parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculousRegards,Bhupendraom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power.> DMMRAO> > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> wrote:> > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shiv> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com>  > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q>  > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > 'Shiv Mahima'> Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is> humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans> or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. > Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes">  > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Dear Divakar Ji, You are correct, it really depends on ones point of view how they view the image of a meditating Lord Siva. What I have noticed about a lot of ISKCON and Vaishnava followers is that they take every opportunity to directly or indirectly imply Siva is lacking and therefore not supreme. Most Vaishnavas or ISKCON followers will say that Siva is devotee of Krishna and meditating on Krishna. We get somethig new now...that he is SEEN meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power. Whether one applies the word SEEN to meditating pose or to 'acquire higher dimensions of power', one is clearly implying that Siva is trying to acquire higher dimensions of power becuase HE is lacking those powers and so there is something beyond HIS power and therefore Lord Siva is not the supreme. That in essence is what is implied here regardless of whatever clever jugglery of words is used thereafter to somehow explain what is written in this simple sentence. I have never read any Siva devotee in this group ever say anything that implies Vishnu is inferior, most of us are content and spending our time glorifying Lord Siva without any word against Lord Vishnu. I have affinity to the image of Lord Siva over any other deity, so I praise Lord Siva, but do I ever say Lord Vishnu is inferior? No....I dare not becuase I am not capable of making that call. But there is no shortage of gems in this group that repeatedly imply Siva is not the supreme. I ask what for? Why are they even members of this group if they feel Lord Siva is not fully capable? Regards, Bhupendra. Divakara Tanjore <div_tan Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:11:45 AMRe: Re: Shri Shiv Dear Sir, With due respects why dont we look at this in this way, Lord Shiva is also considered as universal consciousness and I believe universal consciouness will keep expanding as the universe is expanding every moment. When we meditate our consciousenss expands so May be symbolically Lord Shiva is shown as meditating as lord Shiva is considered as Param Yogi or Supreme Yogi. Other learned members please provide your feedback. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Thu, 7/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 30, 2009, 6:46 AM Dear Bhupendarji, Pls. go through my words that Lord Shiva is SEEN meditating all the times. Is it not fact that Lord is seen meditating all the times? Then the other part of my sentence is to acquire higher dimensions. Now relate the word SEEN to the later part of the sentence also. Further this is told to me by my spiritual Guruji. I believe in it, that is why I had written the sentence with the word SEEN to denote my perception formed by my Guruji's teachings. Whatever I had written it is not convection or others to believe blindly. I wanted to analyse it. I think any further dragging the subject becomes a personal aspect and do not lead to spiritual progress. I am sorry if I had hurted your sentimentas. I am adore Lord Shiva D.M.M.RAO --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, 29 July, 2009, 7:47 PM Namaste DMM Rao Ji, I am not reading anyones mind, nor am I narrating what is written in the scriptures. Please explain where do you see me narrating anything? Quote any text from my email that tells you I am narratying anything from scriptures. I am onyl reading what you have written: "However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power" How do you know sir that Lord Siva is meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power? That is my question. My question is not about reading or desiring to read the mind of another human and you know the point I am trying to make, you are simply trying to fudge the issue with meaningless words. Regards, Bhupendra. dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 29, 2009 6:36:10 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv Mr Bhupendra, Perhaps you misread my e-mail that happens when you want to read the other's mind with your own perception. Why should we read the minds of other persons even it may be our family members? Neither I tried to read Lord Shiva's mind and for that matter so far nobody even tried to read Lord's Mind... We have to analyse the things with our perception but spiritual matters are very difficult to be perceived unless we reach to higher planes of meditation. Simply narrating what is written in Epics has no use but to pursue religious sentiments. I think this may not annoy you. D.M.M.RAO--- On Tue, 28/7/09, nama siva <nama_sivam > wrote: nama siva <nama_sivam >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 7:24 PM meditating picture suggests us to do meditation m.namasivayam--- On Tue, 28/7/09, b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:37 PM Dear DMM Rao Ji,Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/ childrens/ parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculousRegards,Bhupendraom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power.> DMMRAO> > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> wrote:> > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shiv> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com>  > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q>  > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > 'Shiv Mahima'> Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is> humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans> or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. > Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes">  > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Dear Bhupendra ji, I agree with you, we get attracted to a particular god because of our afinity to the Lord, because that particular lord pulls us towards him for some specific purpose based on our prior bhakti, karma etc. That should not mean other gods are less, There are great Ram bhakts, Krishna Bhatks, etc. There are great enlightened followers of Lord Jesus, Lord Buddha, etc. One of the important spiritual principle is not to compare and judge, this principle applies not only for comparison of Gods, it applies to all beings, no one is less or high. Having Said that, DMNRao ji was also saying the same thing at the start of the thread, may be there is some mixup. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna>Re: Re: Shri Shiv Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 11:52 AM Dear Divakar Ji, You are correct, it really depends on ones point of view how they view the image of a meditating Lord Siva. What I have noticed about a lot of ISKCON and Vaishnava followers is that they take every opportunity to directly or indirectly imply Siva is lacking and therefore not supreme. Most Vaishnavas or ISKCON followers will say that Siva is devotee of Krishna and meditating on Krishna. We get somethig new now...that he is SEEN meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power. Whether one applies the word SEEN to meditating pose or to 'acquire higher dimensions of power', one is clearly implying that Siva is trying to acquire higher dimensions of power becuase HE is lacking those powers and so there is something beyond HIS power and therefore Lord Siva is not the supreme. That in essence is what is implied here regardless of whatever clever jugglery of words is used thereafter to somehow explain what is written in this simple sentence. I have never read any Siva devotee in this group ever say anything that implies Vishnu is inferior, most of us are content and spending our time glorifying Lord Siva without any word against Lord Vishnu. I have affinity to the image of Lord Siva over any other deity, so I praise Lord Siva, but do I ever say Lord Vishnu is inferior? No....I dare not becuase I am not capable of making that call. But there is no shortage of gems in this group that repeatedly imply Siva is not the supreme. I ask what for? Why are they even members of this group if they feel Lord Siva is not fully capable? Regards, Bhupendra. Divakara Tanjore <div_tan >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 30, 2009 10:11:45 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv Dear Sir, With due respects why dont we look at this in this way, Lord Shiva is also considered as universal consciousness and I believe universal consciouness will keep expanding as the universe is expanding every moment. When we meditate our consciousenss expands so May be symbolically Lord Shiva is shown as meditating as lord Shiva is considered as Param Yogi or Supreme Yogi. Other learned members please provide your feedback. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Thu, 7/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 30, 2009, 6:46 AM Dear Bhupendarji, Pls. go through my words that Lord Shiva is SEEN meditating all the times. Is it not fact that Lord is seen meditating all the times? Then the other part of my sentence is to acquire higher dimensions. Now relate the word SEEN to the later part of the sentence also. Further this is told to me by my spiritual Guruji. I believe in it, that is why I had written the sentence with the word SEEN to denote my perception formed by my Guruji's teachings. Whatever I had written it is not convection or others to believe blindly. I wanted to analyse it. I think any further dragging the subject becomes a personal aspect and do not lead to spiritual progress. I am sorry if I had hurted your sentimentas. I am adore Lord Shiva D.M.M.RAO --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, 29 July, 2009, 7:47 PM Namaste DMM Rao Ji, I am not reading anyones mind, nor am I narrating what is written in the scriptures. Please explain where do you see me narrating anything? Quote any text from my email that tells you I am narratying anything from scriptures. I am onyl reading what you have written: "However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power" How do you know sir that Lord Siva is meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power? That is my question. My question is not about reading or desiring to read the mind of another human and you know the point I am trying to make, you are simply trying to fudge the issue with meaningless words. Regards, Bhupendra. dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 29, 2009 6:36:10 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv Mr Bhupendra, Perhaps you misread my e-mail that happens when you want to read the other's mind with your own perception. Why should we read the minds of other persons even it may be our family members? Neither I tried to read Lord Shiva's mind and for that matter so far nobody even tried to read Lord's Mind... We have to analyse the things with our perception but spiritual matters are very difficult to be perceived unless we reach to higher planes of meditation. Simply narrating what is written in Epics has no use but to pursue religious sentiments. I think this may not annoy you. D.M.M.RAO--- On Tue, 28/7/09, nama siva <nama_sivam > wrote: nama siva <nama_sivam >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 7:24 PM meditating picture suggests us to do meditation m.namasivayam--- On Tue, 28/7/09, b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:37 PM Dear DMM Rao Ji,Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/ childrens/ parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculousRegards,Bhupendraom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power.> DMMRAO> > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> wrote:> > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shiv> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com>  > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q>  > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > 'Shiv Mahima'> Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is> humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans> or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. > Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes">  > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Om Namah Shivaya Our Guruji says that donot say wrong about others Guru & Isht dev,Also do not hear wrong against your Guru & Isht Dev. mggarga--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: Divakara Tanjore <div_tanRe: Re: Shri Shiv Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:41 PM Dear Sir, With due respects why dont we look at this in this way, Lord Shiva is also considered as universal consciousness and I believe universal consciouness will keep expanding as the universe is expanding every moment. When we meditate our consciousenss expands so May be symbolically Lord Shiva is shown as meditating as lord Shiva is considered as Param Yogi or Supreme Yogi. Other learned members please provide your feedback. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Thu, 7/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 30, 2009, 6:46 AM Dear Bhupendarji, Pls. go through my words that Lord Shiva is SEEN meditating all the times. Is it not fact that Lord is seen meditating all the times? Then the other part of my sentence is to acquire higher dimensions. Now relate the word SEEN to the later part of the sentence also. Further this is told to me by my spiritual Guruji. I believe in it, that is why I had written the sentence with the word SEEN to denote my perception formed by my Guruji's teachings. Whatever I had written it is not convection or others to believe blindly. I wanted to analyse it. I think any further dragging the subject becomes a personal aspect and do not lead to spiritual progress. I am sorry if I had hurted your sentimentas. I am adore Lord Shiva D.M.M.RAO --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, 29 July, 2009, 7:47 PM Namaste DMM Rao Ji, I am not reading anyones mind, nor am I narrating what is written in the scriptures. Please explain where do you see me narrating anything? Quote any text from my email that tells you I am narratying anything from scriptures. I am onyl reading what you have written: "However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power" How do you know sir that Lord Siva is meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power? That is my question. My question is not about reading or desiring to read the mind of another human and you know the point I am trying to make, you are simply trying to fudge the issue with meaningless words. Regards, Bhupendra. dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 29, 2009 6:36:10 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv Mr Bhupendra, Perhaps you misread my e-mail that happens when you want to read the other's mind with your own perception. Why should we read the minds of other persons even it may be our family members? Neither I tried to read Lord Shiva's mind and for that matter so far nobody even tried to read Lord's Mind... We have to analyse the things with our perception but spiritual matters are very difficult to be perceived unless we reach to higher planes of meditation. Simply narrating what is written in Epics has no use but to pursue religious sentiments. I think this may not annoy you. D.M.M.RAO--- On Tue, 28/7/09, nama siva <nama_sivam > wrote: nama siva <nama_sivam >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 7:24 PM meditating picture suggests us to do meditation m.namasivayam--- On Tue, 28/7/09, b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:37 PM Dear DMM Rao Ji,Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/ childrens/ parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculousRegards,Bhupendraom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power.> DMMRAO> > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> wrote:> > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shiv> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com>  > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q>  > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > 'Shiv Mahima'> Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is> humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans> or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. > Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes">  > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Dear Bhupendraji and all Siva Bhaktas, Bhakti is eternal. It is so interesting to see us come together in discussions such as these. The Lord is certainly pleased when his devotees discuss anything relating to Him! But the discussion should be focused on our Vedic concepts and not on logical views. However the answer to the question of who Shiva meditates on is quite clear, he meditates on the Supreme Lord! Shiva is the most exalted devotee of the Lord, situated in the transcendental plane; and thus he meditates in condition of Samadhi (the total absorption in the Absolute Truth). Is the Absolute Truth Brahman? Yes, but that is only a partial realization! God is everything, and thus must possess all that we have. The logical conclusion is that God MUST possess a personal form; and he does, in fact he has many forms, an unlimited number of forms. After all this is God we are talking about! How can anyone deny that the Bhagavan of the Bhagavad-Gita is Krishna! Anyone who denies this fact has simply been misinformed! Even the greatest Impersonal, Adi Sankara, who is widely accepted to be an incarnation of Shiva, and who preached the truth of Brahman, admitted is his own words that Krishna exists beyond material creation! He accepts that Krishna, and Krishna alone is the Supreme Personality of God! In fact he writes: bhaja gOvindam bhaja gOvindam, gOvindam bhaja muuDha mate, sampraaptE sannihitE kaalE, nahi nahi rakshati duhkankaraNE. The beauty is that Krishna accepts that Lord Siva is supreme and persuades Arjuna to pray Siva and obtain Pasupatha. Further Yajurveda says that there is no difference in between Siva and Vishnu. SivakESavaabhEdhasmaraNam Sivaaya vishNuruupaaya Siva ruupaaya vishNavE, Sivasya hRudayam vishNur vishNusca hRudayagam Sivaha. yathaa SivamayO vishNur yEvam vishNumayaSSivaha, yathaantaram na pascyaami tathaa mE swasti raa yushi. Om Namassivaaya With love and regards, Sastry --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna>Re: Re: Shri Shiv Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 3:52 PM Dear Divakar Ji, You are correct, it really depends on ones point of view how they view the image of a meditating Lord Siva. What I have noticed about a lot of ISKCON and Vaishnava followers is that they take every opportunity to directly or indirectly imply Siva is lacking and therefore not supreme. Most Vaishnavas or ISKCON followers will say that Siva is devotee of Krishna and meditating on Krishna. We get somethig new now...that he is SEEN meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power. Whether one applies the word SEEN to meditating pose or to 'acquire higher dimensions of power', one is clearly implying that Siva is trying to acquire higher dimensions of power becuase HE is lacking those powers and so there is something beyond HIS power and therefore Lord Siva is not the supreme. That in essence is what is implied here regardless of whatever clever jugglery of words is used thereafter to somehow explain what is written in this simple sentence. I have never read any Siva devotee in this group ever say anything that implies Vishnu is inferior, most of us are content and spending our time glorifying Lord Siva without any word against Lord Vishnu. I have affinity to the image of Lord Siva over any other deity, so I praise Lord Siva, but do I ever say Lord Vishnu is inferior? No....I dare not becuase I am not capable of making that call. But there is no shortage of gems in this group that repeatedly imply Siva is not the supreme. I ask what for? Why are they even members of this group if they feel Lord Siva is not fully capable? Regards, Bhupendra. Divakara Tanjore <div_tan >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 30, 2009 10:11:45 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv Dear Sir, With due respects why dont we look at this in this way, Lord Shiva is also considered as universal consciousness and I believe universal consciouness will keep expanding as the universe is expanding every moment. When we meditate our consciousenss expands so May be symbolically Lord Shiva is shown as meditating as lord Shiva is considered as Param Yogi or Supreme Yogi. Other learned members please provide your feedback. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Thu, 7/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 30, 2009, 6:46 AM Dear Bhupendarji, Pls. go through my words that Lord Shiva is SEEN meditating all the times. Is it not fact that Lord is seen meditating all the times? Then the other part of my sentence is to acquire higher dimensions. Now relate the word SEEN to the later part of the sentence also. Further this is told to me by my spiritual Guruji. I believe in it, that is why I had written the sentence with the word SEEN to denote my perception formed by my Guruji's teachings. Whatever I had written it is not convection or others to believe blindly. I wanted to analyse it. I think any further dragging the subject becomes a personal aspect and do not lead to spiritual progress. I am sorry if I had hurted your sentimentas. I am adore Lord Shiva D.M.M.RAO --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, 29 July, 2009, 7:47 PM Namaste DMM Rao Ji, I am not reading anyones mind, nor am I narrating what is written in the scriptures. Please explain where do you see me narrating anything? Quote any text from my email that tells you I am narratying anything from scriptures. I am onyl reading what you have written: "However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power" How do you know sir that Lord Siva is meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power? That is my question. My question is not about reading or desiring to read the mind of another human and you know the point I am trying to make, you are simply trying to fudge the issue with meaningless words. Regards, Bhupendra. dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 29, 2009 6:36:10 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv Mr Bhupendra, Perhaps you misread my e-mail that happens when you want to read the other's mind with your own perception. Why should we read the minds of other persons even it may be our family members? Neither I tried to read Lord Shiva's mind and for that matter so far nobody even tried to read Lord's Mind.... We have to analyse the things with our perception but spiritual matters are very difficult to be perceived unless we reach to higher planes of meditation. Simply narrating what is written in Epics has no use but to pursue religious sentiments. I think this may not annoy you. D.M.M.RAO--- On Tue, 28/7/09, nama siva <nama_sivam > wrote: nama siva <nama_sivam >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 7:24 PM meditating picture suggests us to do meditation m.namasivayam--- On Tue, 28/7/09, b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:37 PM Dear DMM Rao Ji,Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/ childrens/ parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculousRegards,Bhupendraom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power.> DMMRAO> > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> wrote:> > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shiv> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com>  > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q>  > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > 'Shiv Mahima'> Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is> humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans> or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. > Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes">  > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Mr Diwakarji, You are correct and I agree fully with your view. I am a shiva devotee and due to wrong interpretation of my words people thought I am against Lord Shiva's power. If I tell Lord Shiva is supreme and other Gods are not many vaishnavites may be got annoyed. That is why while expressing our views and also understanding others views one should be impartial and spiritual bent of mind rather than religious bent of mind. Meditation is a contiuous process and once you are in super conscious state you do not want to come out of that state. It implies Lord Shiva is always in superconsious state not for Himself but for the Universal upkeep. I do not understand why Mr Bhupendarji did not think that Lord Shiva is on higher dimensions than other Gods. I want to know that if any spiritual devotee give information on the different levels of dimensions of power I will be greatful to him. D.M.M.RAO--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: Divakara Tanjore <div_tanRe: Re: Shri Shiv Date: Thursday, 30 July, 2009, 7:41 PM Dear Sir, With due respects why dont we look at this in this way, Lord Shiva is also considered as universal consciousness and I believe universal consciouness will keep expanding as the universe is expanding every moment. When we meditate our consciousenss expands so May be symbolically Lord Shiva is shown as meditating as lord Shiva is considered as Param Yogi or Supreme Yogi. Other learned members please provide your feedback. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Thu, 7/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 30, 2009, 6:46 AM Dear Bhupendarji, Pls. go through my words that Lord Shiva is SEEN meditating all the times. Is it not fact that Lord is seen meditating all the times? Then the other part of my sentence is to acquire higher dimensions. Now relate the word SEEN to the later part of the sentence also. Further this is told to me by my spiritual Guruji. I believe in it, that is why I had written the sentence with the word SEEN to denote my perception formed by my Guruji's teachings. Whatever I had written it is not convection or others to believe blindly. I wanted to analyse it. I think any further dragging the subject becomes a personal aspect and do not lead to spiritual progress. I am sorry if I had hurted your sentimentas. I am adore Lord Shiva D.M.M.RAO --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, 29 July, 2009, 7:47 PM Namaste DMM Rao Ji, I am not reading anyones mind, nor am I narrating what is written in the scriptures. Please explain where do you see me narrating anything? Quote any text from my email that tells you I am narratying anything from scriptures. I am onyl reading what you have written: "However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power" How do you know sir that Lord Siva is meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power? That is my question. My question is not about reading or desiring to read the mind of another human and you know the point I am trying to make, you are simply trying to fudge the issue with meaningless words. Regards, Bhupendra. dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 29, 2009 6:36:10 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv Mr Bhupendra, Perhaps you misread my e-mail that happens when you want to read the other's mind with your own perception. Why should we read the minds of other persons even it may be our family members? Neither I tried to read Lord Shiva's mind and for that matter so far nobody even tried to read Lord's Mind.... We have to analyse the things with our perception but spiritual matters are very difficult to be perceived unless we reach to higher planes of meditation. Simply narrating what is written in Epics has no use but to pursue religious sentiments. I think this may not annoy you. D.M.M.RAO--- On Tue, 28/7/09, nama siva <nama_sivam > wrote: nama siva <nama_sivam >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 7:24 PM meditating picture suggests us to do meditation m.namasivayam--- On Tue, 28/7/09, b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:37 PM Dear DMM Rao Ji,Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/ childrens/ parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculousRegards,Bhupendraom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power.> DMMRAO> > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> wrote:> > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shiv> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com>  > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q>  > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > 'Shiv Mahima'> Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is> humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans> or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. > Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes">  > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Sastry Saheb,very interesting post, but I am afraid that the contents are not likely to mean much.We all, because of our *limited ignorance*use quotes as we wish - to "justify" our stand.probably forgetting that - may be we did not understandit fully well.This is the reason why there is a teaching "parampara"and it is important for one to get to know the vision ofShastra thru the teachers who have grown in the parampara.One can disagree with any one, but then one need to givereasons. Our Sastra itself is based on massive logic,rationality, reasonings and so it will be very unfortunateif we try to ignore these and then try to be *just one more religion*. I wonder if you are aware that ours is not a faith based religion, but teaching based religion - becausethere is a lot to learn.Kindly look at why Shankara wrote Bhaja Govindam. That isto introduce a very old person to think about the Vedaand once a person comes to know of Veda, one is encouragedto learn Vedanta.If Shankara was thinking the way you say, then how wouldyou explain his writings about so many other Gods and Godesses?And why on earth he should write "Brahman Sutra" thruwhich everything that one thought of on the basis of Vedais negated in a step by step process to gain the knowledge ofAham Brahma Asmi or Tat Tvam Asi etc?Sorry to have barged in. But it is very importantfor us to learn to grow to maturity and there is no other way other than *understandingVedanta * towards this .cheers--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Dr.B.G.Y Sastry <drbgysastry wrote:Dr.B.G.Y Sastry <drbgysastryRe: Re: Shri Shiv Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 3:07 PM Dear Bhupendraji and all Siva Bhaktas, Bhakti is eternal. It is so interesting to see us come together in discussions such as these. The Lord is certainly pleased when his devotees discuss anything relating to Him! But the discussion should be focused on our Vedic concepts and not on logical views. However the answer to the question of who Shiva meditates on is quite clear, he meditates on the Supreme Lord! Shiva is the most exalted devotee of the Lord, situated in the transcendental plane; and thus he meditates in condition of Samadhi (the total absorption in the Absolute Truth). Is the Absolute Truth Brahman? Yes, but that is only a partial realization! God is everything, and thus must possess all that we have. The logical conclusion is that God MUST possess a personal form; and he does, in fact he has many forms, an unlimited number of forms. After all this is God we are talking about! How can anyone deny that the Bhagavan of the Bhagavad-Gita is Krishna! Anyone who denies this fact has simply been misinformed! Even the greatest Impersonal, Adi Sankara, who is widely accepted to be an incarnation of Shiva, and who preached the truth of Brahman, admitted is his own words that Krishna exists beyond material creation! He accepts that Krishna, and Krishna alone is the Supreme Personality of God! In fact he writes: bhaja gOvindam bhaja gOvindam, gOvindam bhaja muuDha mate, sampraaptE sannihitE kaalE, nahi nahi rakshati duhkankaraNE. The beauty is that Krishna accepts that Lord Siva is supreme and persuades Arjuna to pray Siva and obtain Pasupatha. Further Yajurveda says that there is no difference in between Siva and Vishnu. SivakESavaabhEdhasm araNam Sivaaya vishNuruupaaya Siva ruupaaya vishNavE, Sivasya hRudayam vishNur vishNusca hRudayagam Sivaha. yathaa SivamayO vishNur yEvam vishNumayaSSivaha, yathaantaram na pascyaami tathaa mE swasti raa yushi. Om Namassivaaya With love and regards, Sastry --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 30, 2009, 3:52 PM Dear Divakar Ji, You are correct, it really depends on ones point of view how they view the image of a meditating Lord Siva. What I have noticed about a lot of ISKCON and Vaishnava followers is that they take every opportunity to directly or indirectly imply Siva is lacking and therefore not supreme. Most Vaishnavas or ISKCON followers will say that Siva is devotee of Krishna and meditating on Krishna. We get somethig new now...that he is SEEN meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power. Whether one applies the word SEEN to meditating pose or to 'acquire higher dimensions of power', one is clearly implying that Siva is trying to acquire higher dimensions of power becuase HE is lacking those powers and so there is something beyond HIS power and therefore Lord Siva is not the supreme. That in essence is what is implied here regardless of whatever clever jugglery of words is used thereafter to somehow explain what is written in this simple sentence. I have never read any Siva devotee in this group ever say anything that implies Vishnu is inferior, most of us are content and spending our time glorifying Lord Siva without any word against Lord Vishnu. I have affinity to the image of Lord Siva over any other deity, so I praise Lord Siva, but do I ever say Lord Vishnu is inferior? No....I dare not becuase I am not capable of making that call. But there is no shortage of gems in this group that repeatedly imply Siva is not the supreme. I ask what for? Why are they even members of this group if they feel Lord Siva is not fully capable? Regards, Bhupendra. Divakara Tanjore <div_tan >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 30, 2009 10:11:45 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv Dear Sir, With due respects why dont we look at this in this way, Lord Shiva is also considered as universal consciousness and I believe universal consciouness will keep expanding as the universe is expanding every moment. When we meditate our consciousenss expands so May be symbolically Lord Shiva is shown as meditating as lord Shiva is considered as Param Yogi or Supreme Yogi. Other learned members please provide your feedback. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Thu, 7/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 30, 2009, 6:46 AM Dear Bhupendarji, Pls. go through my words that Lord Shiva is SEEN meditating all the times. Is it not fact that Lord is seen meditating all the times? Then the other part of my sentence is to acquire higher dimensions. Now relate the word SEEN to the later part of the sentence also. Further this is told to me by my spiritual Guruji. I believe in it, that is why I had written the sentence with the word SEEN to denote my perception formed by my Guruji's teachings. Whatever I had written it is not convection or others to believe blindly. I wanted to analyse it. I think any further dragging the subject becomes a personal aspect and do not lead to spiritual progress. I am sorry if I had hurted your sentimentas. I am adore Lord Shiva D.M.M.RAO --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, 29 July, 2009, 7:47 PM Namaste DMM Rao Ji, I am not reading anyones mind, nor am I narrating what is written in the scriptures. Please explain where do you see me narrating anything? Quote any text from my email that tells you I am narratying anything from scriptures. I am onyl reading what you have written: "However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power" How do you know sir that Lord Siva is meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power? That is my question. My question is not about reading or desiring to read the mind of another human and you know the point I am trying to make, you are simply trying to fudge the issue with meaningless words. Regards, Bhupendra. dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 29, 2009 6:36:10 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv Mr Bhupendra, Perhaps you misread my e-mail that happens when you want to read the other's mind with your own perception. Why should we read the minds of other persons even it may be our family members? Neither I tried to read Lord Shiva's mind and for that matter so far nobody even tried to read Lord's Mind.... We have to analyse the things with our perception but spiritual matters are very difficult to be perceived unless we reach to higher planes of meditation. Simply narrating what is written in Epics has no use but to pursue religious sentiments. I think this may not annoy you. D.M.M.RAO--- On Tue, 28/7/09, nama siva <nama_sivam > wrote: nama siva <nama_sivam >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 7:24 PM meditating picture suggests us to do meditation m.namasivayam--- On Tue, 28/7/09, b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:37 PM Dear DMM Rao Ji,Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/ childrens/ parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculousRegards,Bhupendraom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power.> DMMRAO> > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> wrote:> > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shiv> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com>  > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q>  > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > 'Shiv Mahima'> Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is> humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans> or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. > Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes "an eye", and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as "Having Three Eyes">  > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 jai gurudev dear sirs, u r so right,all gods and goddesses are part of the divine, and we shud never discriminate one against the other. om param shivya namaha om shakti On 7/31/09, dmm rao <dyfacons wrote: Mr Diwakarji, You are correct and I agree fully with your view. I am a shiva devotee and due to wrong interpretation of my words people thought I am against Lord Shiva's power. If I tell Lord Shiva is supreme and other Gods are not many vaishnavites may be got annoyed. That is why while expressing our views and also understanding others views one should be impartial and spiritual bent of mind rather than religious bent of mind. Meditation is a contiuous process and once you are in super conscious state you do not want to come out of that state. It implies Lord Shiva is always in superconsious state not for Himself but for the Universal upkeep. I do not understand why Mr Bhupendarji did not think that Lord Shiva is on higher dimensions than other Gods. I want to know that if any spiritual devotee give information on the different levels of dimensions of power I will be greatful to him. D.M.M.RAO--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: Divakara Tanjore <div_tan Re: Re: Shri Shiv Thursday, 30 July, 2009, 7:41 PM Dear Sir, With due respects why dont we look at this in this way, Lord Shiva is also considered as universal consciousness and I believe universal consciouness will keep expanding as the universe is expanding every moment. When we meditate our consciousenss expands so May be symbolically Lord Shiva is shown as meditating as lord Shiva is considered as Param Yogi or Supreme Yogi. Other learned members please provide your feedback. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Thu, 7/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 30, 2009, 6:46 AM Dear Bhupendarji, Pls. go through my words that Lord Shiva is SEEN meditating all the times. Is it not fact that Lord is seen meditating all the times? Then the other part of my sentence is to acquire higher dimensions. Now relate the word SEEN to the later part of the sentence also. Further this is told to me by my spiritual Guruji. I believe in it, that is why I had written the sentence with the word SEEN to denote my perception formed by my Guruji's teachings. Whatever I had written it is not convection or others to believe blindly. I wanted to analyse it. I think any further dragging the subject becomes a personal aspect and do not lead to spiritual progress. I am sorry if I had hurted your sentimentas. I am adore Lord Shiva D.M.M.RAO --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com Wednesday, 29 July, 2009, 7:47 PM Namaste DMM Rao Ji, I am not reading anyones mind, nor am I narrating what is written in the scriptures. Please explain where do you see me narrating anything? Quote any text from my email that tells you I am narratying anything from scriptures. I am onyl reading what you have written: " However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power " How do you know sir that Lord Siva is meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power? That is my question. My question is not about reading or desiring to read the mind of another human and you know the point I am trying to make, you are simply trying to fudge the issue with meaningless words. Regards, Bhupendra. dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:36:10 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv Mr Bhupendra, Perhaps you misread my e-mail that happens when you want to read the other's mind with your own perception. Why should we read the minds of other persons even it may be our family members? Neither I tried to read Lord Shiva's mind and for that matter so far nobody even tried to read Lord's Mind.... We have to analyse the things with our perception but spiritual matters are very difficult to be perceived unless we reach to higher planes of meditation. Simply narrating what is written in Epics has no use but to pursue religious sentiments. I think this may not annoy you. D.M.M.RAO--- On Tue, 28/7/09, nama siva <nama_sivam > wrote: nama siva <nama_sivam >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com Tuesday, 28 July, 2009, 7:24 PM meditating picture suggests us to do meditation m.namasivayam--- On Tue, 28/7/09, b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shivom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com Tuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:37 PM Dear DMM Rao Ji,Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/ childrens/ parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculous Regards,Bhupendraom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .> wrote: >> Dear Sir,> We should not create differences between the gods, each God has specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power.> DMMRAO > > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> wrote:> > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shiv> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com >  > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q >  > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > 'Shiv Mahima'> Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is > humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. Hence God is the Lord of all creatures (lives/souls) . For this reason the Lord is hailed as pashupati (Lord of living beings). Whether it is devas or asuras or humans > or other creatures all are pashus. That being the case how could the Lord be partial to one section of pashus and withdrawing the Grace for the other ? So anybody who worships the Lord sincerely could get blessed with Its Grace irrespective of the caste, creed, race, power, status and qualities. > Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (KÄma) to ashes. There has been controversy regarding the original meaning of Shiva's name Tryambakam (Sanskrit: à ¤¤à ¥à ¤°à ¥à ¤¯à ¤®à ¥à ¤¬à ¤•à ¤®à ¥), which occurs in many scriptural sources.. In classical Sanskrit the word ambaka denotes " an eye " , and in the Mahabharata Shiva is depicted as three-eyed, so this name is sometimes translated as " Having Three Eyes " >  > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 hey shivas love you, please let the ego go. why everyone try to prove that his knowledge is superior than others. we are one. we are here to learn. om namah shivay. , ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr wrote: > > Sastry Saheb, > very interesting post, but I am afraid that the contents are not likely to mean much. > We all, because  of  our *limited ignorance*use quotes as we wish - to  " justify " our stand.probably forgetting that - may be we did not understandit fully well. > This is the reason why there is a teaching " parampara " and it is important for one to get to know the vision  ofShastra thru the teachers who have grown in the parampara. > One can disagree with any one, but then one need to givereasons.  Our Sastra itself is based  on massive logic,rationality, reasonings and so it  will be very unfortunateif we try to ignore these and then try to be *just one more religion*.  I  wonder if you are aware that ours is not a faith based religion,  but teaching based religion - becausethere is a lot to learn. > Kindly look at why Shankara wrote Bhaja Govindam.  That isto introduce a very old person to think about the Vedaand once a person comes to know  of Veda, one is encouragedto learn Vedanta. > If Shankara was thinking the way you say, then how wouldyou explain his writings about so many other Gods and Godesses? > And why on earth he should write " Brahman  Sutra " thruwhich everything that one thought  of on the basis of Vedais negated in a step by step process to gain the knowledge ofAham Brahma Asmi  or  Tat Tvam Asi etc? > Sorry to have barged in.  But it  is very importantfor us to learn to grow to maturity and there is no other way other than *understandingVedanta * towards this . > cheers --- On Fri, 31/7/09, Dr.B.G.Y Sastry <drbgysastry wrote: > > Dr.B.G.Y Sastry <drbgysastry > Re: Re: Shri Shiv > > Friday, 31 July, 2009, 3:07 PM > > > > > > >  > Dear Bhupendraji and all Siva Bhaktas, > Bhakti is eternal. > It is so interesting to see us come together in discussions such as these. > The Lord is certainly pleased when his devotees discuss anything relating to Him! > But the discussion should be focused on our Vedic concepts and not on logical views. > However the answer to the question of who Shiva meditates on is quite clear, he meditates on the Supreme Lord! Shiva is the most exalted devotee of the Lord, situated in the transcendental plane; and thus he meditates in condition of Samadhi (the total absorption in the Absolute Truth). Is the Absolute Truth Brahman? Yes, but that is only a partial realization! God is everything, and thus must possess all that we have. The logical conclusion is that God MUST possess a personal form; and he does, in fact he has many forms, an unlimited number of forms. After all this is God we are talking about! > How can anyone deny that the Bhagavan of the Bhagavad-Gita is Krishna! Anyone who denies this fact has simply been misinformed! Even the greatest Impersonal, Adi Sankara, who is widely accepted to be an incarnation of Shiva, and who preached the truth of Brahman, admitted is his own words that Krishna exists beyond material creation! He accepts that Krishna, and Krishna alone is the Supreme Personality of God! In fact he writes: > bhaja gOvindam bhaja gOvindam, > gOvindam bhaja muuDha mate, > sampraaptE sannihitE kaalE, > nahi nahi rakshati duhkankaraNE. > The beauty is that Krishna accepts that Lord Siva is supreme and persuades Arjuna to pray Siva and obtain Pasupatha. > Further Yajurveda says that there is no difference in between Siva and Vishnu.  > SivakESavaabhEdhasm araNam > Sivaaya vishNuruupaaya Siva ruupaaya vishNavE, > Sivasya hRudayam vishNur vishNusca hRudayagam Sivaha. > yathaa SivamayO vishNur yEvam vishNumayaSSivaha, > yathaantaram na pascyaami tathaa mE swasti raa yushi. > Om Namassivaaya > With love and regards, > Sastry > --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: > > > Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Thursday, July 30, 2009, 3:52 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Divakar Ji, >  > You are correct, it really depends on ones point of view how they view the image of a meditating Lord Siva. What I have noticed about a lot of ISKCON and Vaishnava followers is that they take every opportunity to directly or indirectly imply Siva is lacking and therefore not supreme. Most Vaishnavas or ISKCON followers will say that Siva is devotee of Krishna and meditating on Krishna. We get somethig new now...that he is SEEN meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power. Whether one applies the word SEEN to meditating pose or to 'acquire higher dimensions of power', one is clearly implying that Siva is trying to acquire higher dimensions of power becuase HE is lacking those powers and so there is something beyond HIS power and therefore Lord Siva is not the supreme. That in essence is what is implied here regardless of whatever clever jugglery of words is used thereafter to somehow explain what is written in this simple > sentence. >  > I have never read any Siva devotee in this group ever say anything that implies Vishnu is inferior, most of us are content and spending our time glorifying Lord Siva without any word against Lord Vishnu. I have affinity to the image of Lord Siva over any other deity, so I praise Lord Siva, but do I ever say Lord Vishnu is inferior? No....I dare not becuase I am not capable of making that call. But there is no shortage of gems in this group that repeatedly imply Siva is not the supreme. I ask what for? Why are they even members of this group if they feel Lord Siva is not fully capable? > > Regards, > Bhupendra. > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:11:45 AM > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv > >  Dear Sir, >  > With due respects why dont we look at this in this way, Lord Shiva is also considered as universal consciousness and I believe universal consciouness will keep expanding as the universe is expanding every moment. >  > When we meditate our consciousenss expands so May be symbolically Lord Shiva is shown as meditating as lord Shiva is considered as Param Yogi or Supreme Yogi. >  > Other learned members please provide your feedback. >  > Om Namah Shivaya, > Divakar. > > --- On Thu, 7/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:46 AM > > >  Dear Bhupendarji, > Pls. go through my words that Lord Shiva is SEEN meditating all the times. Is it not fact that Lord is seen meditating all the times? Then the other part of my sentence is to acquire higher dimensions. Now relate the word SEEN to the later part of the sentence also. Further this is told to me by my spiritual Guruji. I believe in it, that is why I had written the sentence with the word SEEN to denote my perception formed by my Guruji's teachings. Whatever I had written it is not convection or others to believe blindly. I wanted to analyse it. I think any further dragging the subject becomes a personal aspect and do not lead to spiritual progress. I am sorry if I had hurted your sentimentas. I am adore Lord Shiva > D.M.M.RAO > --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: > > > Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Wednesday, 29 July, 2009, 7:47 PM > > >  > > > > Namaste DMM Rao Ji, >  > I am not reading anyones mind, nor am I narrating what is written in the scriptures. Please explain where do you see me narrating anything? Quote any text from my email that tells you I am narratying anything from scriptures. I am onyl reading what you have written: >  > " However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power " >  > How do you know sir that Lord Siva is meditating at all times to acquire higher dimensions of power? That is my question. My question is not about reading or desiring to read the mind of another human and you know the point I am trying to make, you are simply trying to fudge the issue with meaningless words. >  > Regards, > Bhupendra. > > > > > > dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:36:10 AM > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv > >  Mr Bhupendra, > Perhaps you misread my e-mail that happens when you want to read the other's mind with your own perception. Why should we read the minds of other persons even it may be our family members? Neither I tried to read Lord Shiva's mind and for that matter so far nobody even tried to read Lord's Mind.... We have to analyse the things with our perception but spiritual matters are very difficult to be perceived unless we reach to higher planes of meditation. Simply narrating what is written in Epics has no use but to pursue religious sentiments. I think this may not annoy you. > D.M.M.RAO > > --- On Tue, 28/7/09, nama siva <nama_sivam > wrote: > > > nama siva <nama_sivam > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Tuesday, 28 July, 2009, 7:24 PM > > >  meditating picture suggests us to do meditation >  > m.namasivayam > > --- On Tue, 28/7/09, b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: > > > b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Shri Shiv > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Tuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:37 PM > > >  > > Dear DMM Rao Ji, > > Now who told you that Lord Shiva is meditating at all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power? Surely he is depicted in many pictures as meditating, it is your judgement that he is meditating to acquire higher dimensions of power. I think you should stop right there and stop trying to potray your assumptions as reality. > > It is amazing that when people do not know what is going in in the minds of their wives/husbands/ childrens/ parents or neighbours, they claim to know what thought is going on in the mind of the Lord just to win an argument. This is ridiculous > > Regards, > Bhupendra > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@ .> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > We should not create differences between the gods, each God has > specific duty to perform. However, Lord Shiva is seen meditating all the times to acquire higher dimensions of power. > > DMMRAO > > > > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Krishna Yadav <anonymousx1y1z1@ ...> > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Shri Shiv > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Friday, 24 July, 2009, 12:16 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > >  > > http://www.rudraksh a-world.com/ savan.php? gclid=CJqtnZLc7Z sCFYctpAodLSzp- Q > >  > > Vishveshwara SHIV ki > > 'Shiv > Mahima' > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. > > > > Shiva is 'shakti' or power, Shiva is the destroyer, the most powerful god of the Hindu pantheon and one of the godheads in the Hindu Trinity. Known by many names - Mahadeva, Mahayogi, Pashupati, Nataraja, Bhairava, Vishwanath, Bhava, Bhole Nath - Lord Shiva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deities. Hindus recognize this by putting his shrine in the temple separate from those of other deities. Shiva, in temples is usually found as a phallic symbol of the 'linga', which represents the energies necessary for life on both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic levels, that is, the world in which we live and the world which > constitutes the whole of the universe. In a Shaivite temple, the 'linga' is placed in the center underneath the spire, where it symbolizes the naval of the earth. Shiva means the supreme one, the auspicious one, the pure one and for me the beloved one. Shiva is named as Pashupati which means the Lord of all living beings either it is > > humans, devas, asuras or any creatures.. Another name Mahadeva depicts the great God, supreme in all devas(Gods). The God staying in a state blissful, enjoying in Its Own Self eternally, without any flaws is the Supreme Lord shiva. The Perfection is the completeness - there is nothing external that is required to make the Self blissful.Lord Shiva is reckoned among the Tridevas (trimity). Brahma is the creator, Lord Vishnu is the preserver and Lord Shiva is the destroyer. Shiva is the lord of Shakti also.Lord shiva is absolute which does not have any parents which never takes birth Which is all alone without > association with any of the creatures or creations enjoying in the Self. God is the only one who is dependable for anybody / anything to surrender to as It is the only perennial Being. 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Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Dear devotees, Shastras say: When one is absorbed in meditation, the bliss he experience is so geeat that he does not want to come out of it ever. That is why who reach Nrivikalp samadhi never return to this world consciousness and give up their body while in samadhi (except God himself or His chosen few to help humanity). When this is true for any Sadhak, what prevents God to remain in meditation always. He opens His eyes only when His devotees need Him or when He wants to help His creation. In recent times Sri Ramakrishna and Sri Raman maharishi and many others are known to remain in meditation whenever they wanted -not for gaining anything, for they had already achieved it. There certainly are many great sadhus whom we do not know, who have achieved everything that needs to be achieved and remain in their inner anand all the time. But we puny humans, a tiny part of this vast universe, and with inadequate knowledge of even ones own self use our fertile imagination to attribute motives to what God does! What a shame!!Regards Chetan Merani " Society does not go down because of the activities of criminals, But because of the inactivities of the good people. " Swami Vivekananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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