The Role of Science

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Can someone explain the role of science in religion? I find myself wondering how

to reconcile the supposedly proven fact that the planet Earth is 4.5 Billion

years old and yet the oldest estimate of the presence of Homo Sapiens is only

250,000 years. What happened in the intervening years? Were our souls incarnated

as gasses, or bacteria, or lower life forms? And what about dinosaurs? Were we

even incarnated here on Earth, or somewhere else? And where would that somewhere

else be?

 

As I read over this post, I realize that I am probably spinning my wheels and

should be meditating on the Lord's name. But my innate curiosity has gotten the

best of me. I look forward to hearing the responses from our group.

 

Sad Gurunath Maharaj Ki Jay!

 

joanelyia

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Spirituality (NOT religion) begins where science has stopped.

 

Mahendra>>> "joanelyia" <joanelyia 7/16/2009 3:19 PM >>>

Can someone explain the role of science in religion? I find myself wondering how to reconcile the supposedly proven fact that the planet Earth is 4.5 Billion years old and yet the oldest estimate of the presence of Homo Sapiens is only 250,000 years. What happened in the intervening years? Were our souls incarnated as gasses, or bacteria, or lower life forms? And what about dinosaurs? Were we even incarnated here on Earth, or somewhere else? And where would that somewhere else be?As I read over this post, I realize that I am probably spinning my wheels and should be meditating on the Lord's name. But my innate curiosity has gotten the best of me. I look forward to hearing the responses from our group.Sad Gurunath Maharaj Ki Jay!joanelyia

 

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Living in this age, it is virtually impossible to forsake science and lead a life as was lived by our ancestors. Man takes the help of the positive sciences to create a healthy, congenial external environment. The help of the science of spirituality is taken by him to create a healthy internal environment. If the help of both are taken, man can hope to achieve total life-fulfilment; not otherwise. This is the testament of the Upanishads. Says the Sveatasvara Upanishad:-" Even though men may(through their technical skill) roll up space like a piece of leather,

still there will be no end of sorrow for them without the realization of the luminous ONE within.G.BalasubramanianMahendra Bimalkumar <Bimalkumarm Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:52:38 AMRe: The Role of Science

Spirituality (NOT religion) begins where science has stopped.

 

Mahendra>>> "joanelyia" <joanelyia 7/16/2009 3:19 PM >>>

Can someone explain the role of science in religion? I find myself wondering how to reconcile the supposedly proven fact that the planet Earth is 4.5 Billion years old and yet the oldest estimate of the presence of Homo Sapiens is only 250,000 years. What happened in the intervening years? Were our souls incarnated as gasses, or bacteria, or lower life forms? And what about dinosaurs? Were we even incarnated here on Earth, or somewhere else? And where would that somewhere else be?As I read over this post, I realize that I am probably spinning my wheels and should be meditating on the Lord's name. But my innate curiosity has gotten the best of me. I look forward to hearing the responses from our group.Sad Gurunath Maharaj Ki Jay!joanelyia

 

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NamasteCan someone explain the role of science in religion?Hindu Religion ( particularly the ritual aspect ) makes use of science in all of it, it is just not understood properly e.g. in a Puja, this is a reconstruction of the universe in symbolic formsSome of its components are :Vedi - Symbolic of the Earth elementKalasha - symbolic of the whole universeWater (in Kalasha) - symbolic of the water element more specifically the cosmic watersAgni Kunda - Cosmic Fire and fire elementDhupa - Symbolic of ether ( finer levels of energy)Use of bells, cymbals, mantras- SoundUse of Deepa - symbolic of LightThe use of science in a contemporary sense is not the same as it employs a different way of looking and evaluating nature but if we look at

this from the point of view of base elements ( Earth, air, water, fire and ether) then the whole of the various manifestations of these are encompassed. The science that religion makes use of employs a different understanding of these as well as science purely evaluates matter and its behaviour. Religion uses both matter and consciousness.I find myself

wondering how to reconcile the supposedly proven fact that the planet

Earth is 4.5 Billion years old and yet the oldest estimate of the

presence of Homo Sapiens is only 250,000 years. The Hindu estimates of time have always corresponded to thisOverview of Yugas:

Satya Yuga (Krita Yuga):- 1,728,000 Human yearsTreta Yuga:- 1,296,000 Human yearsDwapara Yuga:- 864,000 Human yearsKali Yuga:- 432,000 Human years (5,111 years have passed; 426,889 years remain). Kaliyuga started in 3102 B.C.; CE 2009 corresponds to Kaliyuga year 5,111Reckoning of time amongst the Devas.

1 human year = 1 day of the Devas.30 days of the Devas = 1 month of the Devas.12 months of the Devas = 1 year of the Devas = 1 divine year.The lifespan of the Devas is 100 years of the Devas (= 36,000 human years)

The Vishnu Purana Time measurement section of the Vishnu Purana Book I Chapter III explains the above as follows:

2 Ayanas (six month periods, see above) = 1 human year or 1 day of the devas4,000 + 400 + 400 = 4,800 divine years = 1 Krita Yuga3,000 + 300 + 300 = 3,600 divine years = 1 Tretá Yuga2,000 + 200 + 200 = 2,400 divine years = 1 Dwápara Yuga1,000 + 100 + 100 = 1,200 divine years = 1 Kali Yuga12,000 divine year = 4 Yugas = 1 Mahayuga(also called divine yuga)

Reckoning of time for Brahma.

1000 Mahayugas = 1 kalpa = 1 day (day only) of Brahma (4.32 billion

human years; which is the actual scientifically estimated age of the Sun, Estimated age of Sun is 4.59 Billion Years).

(Two kalpas constitute a day and night of Brahma)

30 days of Brahma = 1 month of Brahma (259.2 billion human years)12 months of Brahma = 1 year of Brahma (3.1104 trillion human years)50 years of Brahma = 1 Pararddha2 parardhas = 100 years of Brahma = 1 Para = 1 Mahakalpa (the lifespan of Brahma)(311.04 trillion human years)

One day of Brahma is divided into 10,000 parts called charanas. The charanas are divided as follows:What happened in the

intervening years? Were our souls incarnated as gasses, or bacteria, or

lower life forms? And what about dinosaurs? Were we even incarnated

here on Earth, or somewhere else? And where would that somewhere else

be?Hinduism teaches the theory of reincarnationAccording to Hinduism, the soul (atman) is immortal, while the body is subject to birth and death. The Bhagavad Gita states that:

 

Worn-out garments are shed by the body; Worn-out bodies are shed by

the dweller within the body. New bodies are donned by the dweller, like

garments. (Verse 2:22)

 

The idea that the soul (of any living being with a consciousness) reincarnates is intricately linked to karma, another concept first recorded in the Upanishads. Karma

(literally: action) is the sum of one's actions and the force that

determines one's next reincarnation. The cycle of death and rebirth,

governed by karma, is referred to as samsara.

Hinduism teaches that the soul goes on repeatedly being born and dying.In this process, one can take higher or lower forms, we are also told that this solar system is only one of innumerable universes, hence we can come here from other planetary systems as well.This is not the only age or creation, this is world without end.As I read over this post, I realize that I am probably

spinning my wheels and should be meditating on the Lord's name. But my

innate curiosity has gotten the best of me. I look forward to hearing

the responses from our group.No, knowledge with a purpose that reinforces your understanding of the universe and yourrelationship with it, with the intention of uplifting yourself cannot be considered spinning your wheels. It would be wise to choose carefully and discern what knowledge is important and how it can be applied to assist you in your spiritual quest though. Namah SivayaBest Regards--- On Thu, 7/16/09, Mahendra Bimalkumar <Bimalkumarm wrote:Mahendra Bimalkumar <BimalkumarmRe: The Role of Science Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 6:52 AM

Spirituality (NOT religion) begins where science has stopped.

 

Mahendra>>> "joanelyia" <joanelyia 7/16/2009 3:19 PM >>>

Can someone explain the role of science in religion? I find myself wondering how to reconcile the supposedly proven fact that the planet Earth is 4.5 Billion years old and yet the oldest estimate of the presence of Homo Sapiens is only 250,000 years. What happened in the intervening years? Were our souls incarnated as gasses, or bacteria, or lower life forms? And what about dinosaurs? Were we even incarnated here on Earth, or somewhere else? And where would that somewhere else be?As I read over this post, I realize that I am probably spinning my wheels and should be meditating on the Lord's name. But my innate curiosity has gotten the best of me. I look forward to hearing the responses from our group.Sad Gurunath Maharaj Ki Jay!joanelyia

 

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Namaste

Can someone explain the role of science in religion?

 

Hindu Religion ( particularly the ritual aspect ) makes use of science in all of

it, it is just not understood properly e.g. in a Puja, this is a reconstruction

of the universe in symbolic forms

Some of its components are :

Vedi - Symbolic of the Earth element

Kalasha - symbolic of the whole universe

Water (in Kalasha) - symbolic of the water element more specifically the

cosmic waters

Agni Kunda - Cosmic Fire and fire element

Dhupa - Symbolic of ether ( finer levels of energy)

Use of bells, cymbals, mantras- Sound

Use of Deepa - symbolic of Light

 

The use of science in a contemporary sense is not the same as it employs a

different way of looking and evaluating nature but if we look at this from the

point of view of base elements ( Earth, air, water, fire and ether) then the

whole of the various manifestations of these are encompassed. The science that

religion makes use of employs a different understanding of these as well as

science purely evaluates matter and its behaviour. Religion uses both matter and

consciousness.

 

I find myself wondering how to reconcile the supposedly proven fact that the

planet Earth is 4.5 Billion years old and yet the oldest estimate of the

presence of Homo Sapiens is only 250,000 years.

 

The Hindu estimates of time have always corresponded to this

 

Overview of Yugas:

 

1. Satya Yuga (Krita Yuga):- 1,728,000 Human years

2. Treta Yuga:- 1,296,000 Human years

3. Dwapara Yuga:- 864,000 Human years

4. Kali Yuga:- 432,000 Human years (5,111 years have passed; 426,889 years

remain). Kaliyuga started in 3102 B.C.; CE 2009 corresponds to Kaliyuga year

5,111

 

Reckoning of time amongst the Devas.

 

* 1 human year = 1 day of the Devas.

* 30 days of the Devas = 1 month of the Devas.

* 12 months of the Devas = 1 year of the Devas = 1 divine year.

* The lifespan of the Devas is 100 years of the Devas (= 36,000 human years)

 

The Vishnu Purana Time measurement section of the Vishnu Purana Book I Chapter

III explains the above as follows:

 

* 2 Ayanas (six month periods, see above) = 1 human year or 1 day of the

devas

* 4,000 + 400 + 400 = 4,800 divine years = 1 Krita Yuga

* 3,000 + 300 + 300 = 3,600 divine years = 1 Tretá Yuga

* 2,000 + 200 + 200 = 2,400 divine years = 1 Dwápara Yuga

* 1,000 + 100 + 100 = 1,200 divine years = 1 Kali Yuga

* 12,000 divine year = 4 Yugas = 1 Mahayuga(also called divine yuga)

 

Reckoning of time for Brahma.

 

* 1000 Mahayugas = 1 kalpa = 1 day (day only) of Brahma (4.32 billion human

years; which is the actual scientifically estimated age of the Sun, Estimated

age of Sun is 4.59 Billion Years).

 

(Two kalpas constitute a day and night of Brahma)

 

* 30 days of Brahma = 1 month of Brahma (259.2 billion human years)

* 12 months of Brahma = 1 year of Brahma (3.1104 trillion human years)

* 50 years of Brahma = 1 Pararddha

* 2 parardhas = 100 years of Brahma = 1 Para = 1 Mahakalpa (the lifespan of

Brahma)(311.04 trillion human years)

 

One day of Brahma is divided into 10,000 parts called charanas. The charanas are

divided as follows:

 

What happened in the intervening years? Were our souls incarnated as gasses, or

bacteria, or lower life forms? And what about dinosaurs? Were we even incarnated

here on Earth, or somewhere else? And where would that somewhere else be?

 

Hinduism teaches the theory of reincarnation

 

According to Hinduism, the soul (atman) is immortal, while the body is subject

to birth and death. The Bhagavad Gita states that:

 

Worn-out garments are shed by the body; Worn-out bodies are shed by the

dweller within the body. New bodies are donned by the dweller, like garments.

(Verse 2:22)

 

The idea that the soul (of any living being with a consciousness) reincarnates

is intricately linked to karma, another concept first recorded in the

Upanishads. Karma (literally: action) is the sum of one's actions and the force

that determines one's next reincarnation. The cycle of death and rebirth,

governed by karma, is referred to as samsara.

 

 

Hinduism teaches that the soul goes on repeatedly being born and dying.In this

process, one can take higher or lower forms, we are also told that this solar

system is only one of innumerable universes, hence we can come here from other

planetary systems as well.

 

This is not the only age or creation, this is world without end.

 

As I read over this post, I realize that I am probably spinning my wheels and

should be meditating on the Lord's name. But my innate curiosity has gotten the

best of me. I look forward to hearing the responses from our group.

 

No, knowledge with a purpose that reinforces your understanding of the universe

and your relationship with it, with the intention of uplifting yourself cannot

be considered spinning your wheels. It would be wise to choose carefully and

discern what knowledge is important and how it can be applied to assist you in

your spiritual quest though.

 

Namah Sivaya

Best Regards

 

 

, " joanelyia " <joanelyia

wrote:

>

> Can someone explain the role of science in religion? I find myself wondering

how to reconcile the supposedly proven fact that the planet Earth is 4.5 Billion

years old and yet the oldest estimate of the presence of Homo Sapiens is only

250,000 years. What happened in the intervening years? Were our souls incarnated

as gasses, or bacteria, or lower life forms? And what about dinosaurs? Were we

even incarnated here on Earth, or somewhere else? And where would that somewhere

else be?

>

> As I read over this post, I realize that I am probably spinning my wheels and

should be meditating on the Lord's name. But my innate curiosity has gotten the

best of me. I look forward to hearing the responses from our group.

>

> Sad Gurunath Maharaj Ki Jay!

>

> joanelyia

>

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Spirituality is "The Science of the Absolute"..Sincerely,Udayabhanu Panickaraum namaH Shivaaya The vow not to kill is great indeed, and greater still is non-eating of the flesh; there would be no butcher, if there is non to eat; in eating thus abides the cruder ill, as she/he is the reason for the killing. --- On Thu, 7/16/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote:G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: The Role of ScienceTo:

Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 2:34 PM

 

 

Living in this age, it is virtually impossible to forsake science and lead a life as was lived by our ancestors. Man takes the help of the positive sciences to create a healthy, congenial external environment. The help of the science of spirituality is taken by him to create a healthy internal environment. If the help of both are taken, man can hope to achieve total life-fulfilment; not otherwise. This is the testament of the Upanishads. Says the Sveatasvara Upanishad:-" Even though men may(through their technical skill) roll up space like a piece of leather,

still there will be no end of sorrow for them without the realization of the luminous ONE within.G.BalasubramanianMahendra Bimalkumar <Bimalkumarm@ ukzn.ac.za>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 16, 2009 9:52:38 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] The Role of Science

Spirituality (NOT religion) begins where science has stopped.

 

Mahendra>>> "joanelyia" <joanelyia > 7/16/2009 3:19 PM >>>

Can someone explain the role of science in religion? I find myself wondering how to reconcile the supposedly proven fact that the planet Earth is 4.5 Billion years old and yet the oldest estimate of the presence of Homo Sapiens is only 250,000 years. What happened in the intervening years? Were our souls incarnated as gasses, or bacteria, or lower life forms? And what about dinosaurs? Were we even incarnated here on Earth, or somewhere else? And where would that somewhere else be?As I read over this post, I realize that I am probably spinning my wheels and should be meditating on the Lord's name. But my innate curiosity has gotten the best of me. I look forward to hearing the responses from our group.Sad Gurunath Maharaj Ki Jay!joanelyia

 

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Dear Joamelyia,

 

Namaskar! Let me try to satisfy your curiosity as I see it.Science and religion

are one.Science want to know things.Religion in addition wants to know the

knower.This knower is inside us , as the true self or our soul which according

to Hinduism is the same as God or the universe.Life is not different from the

gasses and matter etc.

when we detach from matter or life we come to the universal thing. This

universal thing is known as our spirit or God.Now a days in science this

universal all pervading thing is known as universal gravitation.

In our philosohical language this gravitation is known as universal love.Both

mean the same thing

Thus science is objective way of looking at things, but religion is subjective

way, but in essence both are the same thing, not different, if properly

understood.This gives rise to our adwait philosohy meaning the subject and the

object are one and the same.

Thank you,

Sincerely yours,

Hari Malla

 

, " joanelyia " <joanelyia

wrote:

>

> Can someone explain the role of science in religion? I find myself wondering

how to reconcile the supposedly proven fact that the planet Earth is 4.5 Billion

years old and yet the oldest estimate of the presence of Homo Sapiens is only

250,000 years. What happened in the intervening years? Were our souls incarnated

as gasses, or bacteria, or lower life forms? And what about dinosaurs? Were we

even incarnated here on Earth, or somewhere else? And where would that somewhere

else be?

>

> As I read over this post, I realize that I am probably spinning my wheels and

should be meditating on the Lord's name. But my innate curiosity has gotten the

best of me. I look forward to hearing the responses from our group.

>

> Sad Gurunath Maharaj Ki Jay!

>

> joanelyia

>

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Dear Joanelyia,

In the evolution homosepiens (Human beings) are the last species. That is why it took lot of time in the evolutionary process to get the human form. Unless there is no man there is no religion. The Universe is an expanding force and the evolution is following this. This is the part of science. Now coming to religion it is formed by human beings for their convenience and follow certain guidelines for the future generations. Each religion have separate set of Gods and whatever name you call it is invocation of Universal energy. The universal energy is following natural principles. By invoking God we are invoking the universal energy. We are having in us the subtle universal energy. We are having sensory organs and the five elements in us which perceives this Universal energy. Our mind is a powerful tool which has intuitive powers if properly developed. It can forsee the future and also what happened in the past, i.e, even before the birth of human

beings. So many saints, sages and divine persons have depicted the divine forces as they perceive through the mind and its intuitve powers. The meditation helps our mind to develop intuition and acquire mystic powers. Mind is the bridge between science and spirituality.

Yours sincerely,

D.M.M.RAO--- On Mon, 10/8/09, harimalla <harimalla wrote:

harimalla <harimalla Re: The Role of Science Date: Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:29 PM

Dear Joamelyia,Namaskar! Let me try to satisfy your curiosity as I see it.Science and religion are one.Science want to know things.Religion in addition wants to know the knower.This knower is inside us , as the true self or our soul which according to Hinduism is the same as God or the universe.Life is not different from the gasses and matter etc.when we detach from matter or life we come to the universal thing. This universal thing is known as our spirit or God.Now a days in science this universal all pervading thing is known as universal gravitation.In our philosohical language this gravitation is known as universal love.Both mean the same thingThus science is objective way of looking at things, but religion is subjective way, but in essence both are the same thing, not different, if properly understood.This gives rise to our adwait philosohy meaning the subject and the object are one and the same.Thank you,Sincerely

yours,Hari Mallaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "joanelyia" <joanelyia@. ..> wrote:>> Can someone explain the role of science in religion? I find myself wondering how to reconcile the supposedly proven fact that the planet Earth is 4.5 Billion years old and yet the oldest estimate of the presence of Homo Sapiens is only 250,000 years. What happened in the intervening years? Were our souls incarnated as gasses, or bacteria, or lower life forms? And what about dinosaurs? Were we even incarnated here on Earth, or somewhere else? And where would that somewhere else be?> > As I read over this post, I realize that I am probably spinning my wheels and should be meditating on the Lord's name. But my innate curiosity

has gotten the best of me. I look forward to hearing the responses from our group.> > Sad Gurunath Maharaj Ki Jay!> > joanelyia>

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Dear Raoji,

Namaskar! You are quite right in what you have said.I am just tempted to say

that the evolution of man which took such a long time similarly, takes a long

time to reach spiritual perfection too.Thus our religion says we have to get

born many lives to achieve mokshya which is possible only in the human form.

Even if we are a very civilised person like Vaman avatar who was well educated

with humillitiy,thus called as a dwarf, it wil take at least five more lives to

cross the stages of parsuaram, Ram, Krishna, Budddha and Kalki.So it is

exemlified by our Das avatar exressed by our Adi Shankaracharya.Thus just being

a human being is not enough or the end of evolution, we have to evolve further

to produce and experience of the golden age of Kalki, when dharma within us

stands on all the four feet.

thank you,

Hari malla

 

, dmm rao <dyfacons wrote:

>

> Dear Joanelyia,

> In the evolution homosepiens (Human beings) are the last species. That is why

it took lot of time in the evolutionary process to get the human form. Unless

there is no man there is no religion. The Universe is an expanding force and the

evolution is following this. This is the part of science. Now coming to religion

it is formed by human beings for their convenience and follow certain guidelines

for the future generations. Each religion have separate set of Gods and whatever

name you call it is invocation of Universal energy. The universal energy is

following natural principles. By invoking God we are invoking the universal

energy. We are having in us the subtle universal energy. We are having sensory

organs and the five elements in us which perceives this Universal energy. Our

mind is a powerful tool which has intuitive powers if properly developed. It can

forsee the future and also what happened in the past, i.e, even before the birth

of human beings.

> So many saints, sages and divine persons have depicted the divine forces as

they perceive through the mind and its intuitve powers. The meditation helps our

mind to develop intuition and acquire mystic powers. Mind is the bridge between

science and spirituality.

> Yours sincerely,

> D.M.M.RAO

>

> --- On Mon, 10/8/09, harimalla <harimalla wrote:

>

>

> harimalla <harimalla

> Re: The Role of Science

>

> Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:29 PM

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>

>

>

> Dear Joamelyia,

>

> Namaskar! Let me try to satisfy your curiosity as I see it.Science and

religion are one.Science want to know things.Religion in addition wants to know

the knower.This knower is inside us , as the true self or our soul which

according to Hinduism is the same as God or the universe.Life is not different

from the gasses and matter etc.

> when we detach from matter or life we come to the universal thing. This

universal thing is known as our spirit or God.Now a days in science this

universal all pervading thing is known as universal gravitation.

> In our philosohical language this gravitation is known as universal love.Both

mean the same thing

> Thus science is objective way of looking at things, but religion is subjective

way, but in essence both are the same thing, not different, if properly

understood.This gives rise to our adwait philosohy meaning the subject and the

object are one and the same.

> Thank you,

> Sincerely yours,

> Hari Malla

>

> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, " joanelyia " <joanelyia@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Can someone explain the role of science in religion? I find myself wondering

how to reconcile the supposedly proven fact that the planet Earth is 4.5 Billion

years old and yet the oldest estimate of the presence of Homo Sapiens is only

250,000 years. What happened in the intervening years? Were our souls incarnated

as gasses, or bacteria, or lower life forms? And what about dinosaurs? Were we

even incarnated here on Earth, or somewhere else? And where would that somewhere

else be?

> >

> > As I read over this post, I realize that I am probably spinning my wheels

and should be meditating on the Lord's name. But my innate curiosity has gotten

the best of me. I look forward to hearing the responses from our group.

> >

> > Sad Gurunath Maharaj Ki Jay!

> >

> > joanelyia

> >

>

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