God's Presence

[Guest guest]

Hi, everyone

 

I wanted to ask what the members of this list think of God personally

manifesting for the worshipper in times of need? We see many examples

in the Puranas but nowadays - at least in the west - if you confess to

having a deeply personal relationship with God, one in which God responds,

you are seen as delusional. So, as I said, I wanted to know what

members thought about such relationships with God?

 

Also, another question - can/does God take on personal manifestations

for people?

 

Sincerely

Casey

[Guest guest]

I will simply say that if one act as required and do with full FAITH that is rewarded even if it is not mentioned in Purans.

 

Your 2nd question reply is simly "Yes Yes Yes"

I have lot of personal practical experience I have seen with my own eyes the God its Reward and many other things.

Do you have that Faith than come to me I will get you to See God.......?????

Best Regards

Assaram--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Casey <zziegamp wrote:

Casey <zziegamp God's Presence Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 2:23 AM

 

 

Hi, everyoneI wanted to ask what the members of this list think of God personally manifesting for the worshipper in times of need? We see many examples in the Puranas but nowadays - at least in the west - if you confess to having a deeply personal relationship with God, one in which God responds, you are seen as delusional. So, as I said, I wanted to know what members thought about such relationships with God? Also, another question - can/does God take on personal manifestations for people?SincerelyCasey

[Guest guest]

Om Namah Shivaya

Namaste,

Where there is existence there is God. I say - I exist. But what is it that

exists ? The Vedas tell us that " sat " or existence is the

unchanging/unborn/unattached/unconnected essence or substance of everything.

This " sat " is not a thing but is the basis of all things. Knowing intellectually

and with faith that my essence is God, I am still a seeker. Why ? Because of

strong association with body and mind - this is my body and this is my mind. As

long as this duality is there, we seek God outside us.

 

In the realm of dualistic thinking, the bhakta or devotee can have any

relationship with God. Personally, I mentally prostrate to him many times in the

day but intellectually I always try to remember that this light of awareness or

consciousness is Bhagavan Shiv himself. Sometimes he gives tough experiences but

the tough experiences have lot of value - they teach a lot. You yourself are his

manifestation . I personally believe he works through the mind. When you see

mental calmness/serenity/poise, change in your own behavior or behavior of

others around you - that is God in action.

 

regards,

Shailendra

 

, Casey <zziegamp wrote:

>

> Hi, everyone

>

> I wanted to ask what the members of this list think of God personally

> manifesting for the worshipper in times of need? We see many examples in

> the Puranas but nowadays - at least in the west - if you confess to

> having a deeply personal relationship with God, one in which God

> /responds,/ you are seen as delusional. So, as I said, I wanted to know

> what members thought about such relationships with God?

>

> Also, another question - can/does God take on personal manifestations

> for people?

>

> Sincerely

> Casey

>

[Guest guest]

Casey has asked an universal question which people have been pondering for answer.

if we find a correct answer will God exist?

GPS--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Casey <zziegamp wrote:

Casey <zziegamp God's Presence Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 2:23 AM

 

 

Hi, everyoneI wanted to ask what the members of this list think of God personally manifesting for the worshipper in times of need? We see many examples in the Puranas but nowadays - at least in the west - if you confess to having a deeply personal relationship with God, one in which God responds, you are seen as delusional. So, as I said, I wanted to know what members thought about such relationships with God? Also, another question - can/does God take on personal manifestations for people?SincerelyCasey

[Guest guest]

I hv replied again I say Yes but it need full FAITH.and confidence I understand no body trust in this what Puran says and what I say!

When I say I have seen but I think out of this Group there could be very rare to trust ?

Again I will repeat all need FAITH FAITH FAITH.............

The Darshan of God and the fullfillment of wishes and all asked is bcoz of X birth Karma.

Best Regards

Assaram--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 wrote:

Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32Re: God's Presence Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 7:16 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Casey has asked an universal question which people have been pondering for answer.

if we find a correct answer will God exist?

GPS--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Casey <zziegamp (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au> wrote:

Casey <zziegamp (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] God's Presenceom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 2:23 AM

 

 

Hi, everyoneI wanted to ask what the members of this list think of God personally manifesting for the worshipper in times of need? We see many examples in the Puranas but nowadays - at least in the west - if you confess to having a deeply personal relationship with God, one in which God responds, you are seen as delusional. So, as I said, I wanted to know what members thought about such relationships with God? Also, another question - can/does God take on personal manifestations for people?SincerelyCasey

[Guest guest]

In the Gita God has declared that he takes an Avatar whenever there is decline of Dharma. As regards appearing before a devotee in person is concened, this is reported that even in Kaliyuga many devotees of the Lord like Sant Kabirdas,Tukaram, Janadev, Meerabai Narsi Mehta etc. etc. are reported to have had Darshan of the Lord.in physical form. God will come running to you, if your devotion to God is unalloyed and single-pointed. God will not come simply because you and I call him aloud. We must deserve His Darshan by our intense love for Him. Did not Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Raman Maharishi get Divine Vision?Incidentally, God is not somebody living in Kailasa yonder in the Himalayas or in

Vishnuloka, yonder in the skies. God is only a Divine principle. It has no form, as the scriptures cry out. We, human beings, can conceive God only in human form and accordingly the statues of Gods are in human form only. Shraddha and Bhakti are the essential prereqisites for Divine grace and vision. If your sincerity, faith in the words of Guru and scriptures and practice thereof and your devotion are considered exemplary by God, God will appear before you. Even exhibition of a little degree of anger, pride, arrogance, ego etc. etc. on the part of a devotee will drive away god from giving darshan to a devotee. Unless you see the prescence of God in all beings, you can not have God appearing before you.G.BalasubramanianAssaram Alamchandani <aac6993 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:29:09 PMRe: God's Presence

 

I hv replied again I say Yes but it need full FAITH.and confidence I understand no body trust in this what Puran says and what I say!

When I say I have seen but I think out of this Group there could be very rare to trust ?

Again I will repeat all need FAITH FAITH FAITH....... ......

The Darshan of God and the fullfillment of wishes and all asked is bcoz of X birth Karma.

Best Regards

Assaram--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com> wrote:

Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] God's Presenceom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 7:16 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Casey has asked an universal question which people have been pondering for answer.

if we find a correct answer will God exist?

GPS--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Casey <zziegamp (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au> wrote:

Casey <zziegamp (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] God's Presenceom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 2:23 AM

 

 

Hi, everyoneI wanted to ask what the members of this list think of God personally manifesting for the worshipper in times of need? We see many examples in the Puranas but nowadays - at least in the west - if you confess to having a deeply personal relationship with God, one in which God responds, you are seen as delusional. So, as I said, I wanted to know what members thought about such relationships with God? Also, another question - can/does God take on personal manifestations for people?SincerelyCasey

[Guest guest]

Well said Sir, Where there is Love and Compassion there is GOD. We have to understand that all Sadhana and gaining knowledge is to develop that level of compassion.

 

Masters like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Jesus Christ, Sant Kabir Das are full of compassion, they not only saw God in physical manifestation but they them selves became God by raising their consciousness to the higher plane.

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

In Divine Love,

Divakar.

 

--- On Wed, 7/15/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote:

G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: God's Presence Cc: USBrahmins Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 4:48 PM

 

 

In the Gita God has declared that he takes an Avatar whenever there is decline of Dharma. As regards appearing before a devotee in person is concened, this is reported that even in Kaliyuga many devotees of the Lord like Sant Kabirdas,Tukaram, Janadev, Meerabai Narsi Mehta etc. etc. are reported to have had Darshan of the Lord.in physical form. God will come running to you, if your devotion to God is unalloyed and single-pointed. God will not come simply because you and I call him aloud. We must deserve His Darshan by our intense love for Him. Did not Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Raman Maharishi get Divine Vision?Incidentally, God is not somebody living in Kailasa yonder in the Himalayas or in Vishnuloka, yonder in the skies. God is only a Divine principle. It has no form, as the scriptures cry out. We, human beings, can conceive God only in

human form and accordingly the statues of Gods are in human form only. Shraddha and Bhakti are the essential prereqisites for Divine grace and vision. If your sincerity, faith in the words of Guru and scriptures and practice thereof and your devotion are considered exemplary by God, God will appear before you. Even exhibition of a little degree of anger, pride, arrogance, ego etc. etc. on the part of a devotee will drive away god from giving darshan to a devotee. Unless you see the prescence of God in all beings, you can not have God appearing before you.G.Balasubramanian

 

 

 

Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009 12:29:09 PMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] God's Presence

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hv replied again I say Yes but it need full FAITH.and confidence I understand no body trust in this what Puran says and what I say!

When I say I have seen but I think out of this Group there could be very rare to trust ?

Again I will repeat all need FAITH FAITH FAITH....... ......

The Darshan of God and the fullfillment of wishes and all asked is bcoz of X birth Karma.

Best Regards

Assaram--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com> wrote:

Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] God's Presenceom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 7:16 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Casey has asked an universal question which people have been pondering for answer.

if we find a correct answer will God exist?

GPS--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Casey <zziegamp (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au> wrote:

Casey <zziegamp (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] God's Presenceom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 2:23 AM

 

 

Hi, everyoneI wanted to ask what the members of this list think of God personally manifesting for the worshipper in times of need? We see many examples in the Puranas but nowadays - at least in the west - if you confess to having a deeply personal relationship with God, one in which God responds, you are seen as delusional. So, as I said, I wanted to know what members thought about such relationships with God? Also, another question - can/does God take on personal manifestations for people?SincerelyCasey

[Guest guest]

This is all the Karma Phala.

Best Regards

Assaram--- On Thu, 7/16/09, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote:

Divakara Tanjore <div_tanRe: God's Presence Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 8:13 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Well said Sir, Where there is Love and Compassion there is GOD. We have to understand that all Sadhana and gaining knowledge is to develop that level of compassion.

 

Masters like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Jesus Christ, Sant Kabir Das are full of compassion, they not only saw God in physical manifestation but they them selves became God by raising their consciousness to the higher plane.

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

In Divine Love,

Divakar.

 

--- On Wed, 7/15/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote:

G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] God's Presenceom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: USBrahmins@gro ups.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 4:48 PM

 

 

In the Gita God has declared that he takes an Avatar whenever there is decline of Dharma. As regards appearing before a devotee in person is concened, this is reported that even in Kaliyuga many devotees of the Lord like Sant Kabirdas,Tukaram, Janadev, Meerabai Narsi Mehta etc. etc. are reported to have had Darshan of the Lord.in physical form. God will come running to you, if your devotion to God is unalloyed and single-pointed. God will not come simply because you and I call him aloud. We must deserve His Darshan by our intense love for Him. Did not Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Raman Maharishi get Divine Vision?Incidentally, God is not somebody living in Kailasa yonder in the Himalayas or in Vishnuloka, yonder in the skies. God is only a Divine principle. It has no form, as the scriptures cry out. We, human beings, can conceive God only in

human form and accordingly the statues of Gods are in human form only. Shraddha and Bhakti are the essential prereqisites for Divine grace and vision. If your sincerity, faith in the words of Guru and scriptures and practice thereof and your devotion are considered exemplary by God, God will appear before you. Even exhibition of a little degree of anger, pride, arrogance, ego etc. etc. on the part of a devotee will drive away god from giving darshan to a devotee. Unless you see the prescence of God in all beings, you can not have God appearing before you.G.Balasubramanian

 

 

 

Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009 12:29:09 PMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] God's Presence

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hv replied again I say Yes but it need full FAITH.and confidence I understand no body trust in this what Puran says and what I say!

When I say I have seen but I think out of this Group there could be very rare to trust ?

Again I will repeat all need FAITH FAITH FAITH....... ......

The Darshan of God and the fullfillment of wishes and all asked is bcoz of X birth Karma.

Best Regards

Assaram--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com> wrote:

Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] God's Presenceom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 7:16 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Casey has asked an universal question which people have been pondering for answer.

if we find a correct answer will God exist?

GPS--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Casey <zziegamp (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au> wrote:

Casey <zziegamp (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] God's Presenceom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 2:23 AM

 

 

Hi, everyoneI wanted to ask what the members of this list think of God personally manifesting for the worshipper in times of need? We see many examples in the Puranas but nowadays - at least in the west - if you confess to having a deeply personal relationship with God, one in which God responds, you are seen as delusional. So, as I said, I wanted to know what members thought about such relationships with God? Also, another question - can/does God take on personal manifestations for people?SincerelyCasey

[Guest guest]

I realize that a deviation or digression from the queries raised by Casey and Parthasarathy has occured. The main question is getting side-tracked. We can not take shelter under 'Karmaphala' for answering all questions. "Action alone is thy province and not the fruits thereof. Seek not the fruits of action nor should you avoid action", says Lord Krishna in verse 47 chapter 2 of Gita(Karmanyeva adhikaraste ma phaleshu kadachana Ma karmaphalahetur bhoomo te sangah astu akarmani). The Lord advises us to do our duties without getting attached to the oucome. The Lord concedes your right to perform your prescibed duty. At the same time he says you are not entitled to the fruits of action(Karma Phala). One who is attached to the result of his work is also the cause of the action. Thus he is the enjoyer or sufferer of the result of such actions. Work or action with expectation of results becomes the cause of bondage; disinterested actions or obligatory duties without attachment to results doubtlessly lead one to the path of liberation. The expression Kharmaphala may be understood in this light. Simply blaming Karmaphala without labouring

hard is against the theory of Karma as contained in the scriptures. If you want darshan of God, you must deserve it and must practise not only Nishkamya Seva but also excel in Bhakti and Gyana Yogas as defined in scriptures.G.BalasubramanianAssaram Alamchandani <aac6993 Sent: Thursday,

July 16, 2009 12:47:04 PMRe: God's Presence

 

 

This is all the Karma Phala.

Best Regards

Assaram--- On Thu, 7/16/09, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:

Divakara Tanjore <div_tan >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] God's Presenceom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 16, 2009, 8:13 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Well said Sir, Where there is Love and Compassion there is GOD. We have to understand that all Sadhana and gaining knowledge is to develop that level of compassion.

 

Masters like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Jesus Christ, Sant Kabir Das are full of compassion, they not only saw God in physical manifestation but they them selves became God by raising their consciousness to the higher plane.

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

In Divine Love,

Divakar.

 

--- On Wed, 7/15/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote:

G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] God's Presenceom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: USBrahmins@gro ups.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 4:48 PM

 

 

In the Gita God has declared that he takes an Avatar whenever there is decline of Dharma. As regards appearing before a devotee in person is concened, this is reported that even in Kaliyuga many devotees of the Lord like Sant Kabirdas,Tukaram, Janadev, Meerabai Narsi Mehta etc. etc. are reported to have had Darshan of the Lord.in physical form. God will come running to you, if your devotion to God is unalloyed and single-pointed. God will not come simply because you and I call him aloud. We must deserve His Darshan by our intense love for Him. Did not Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Raman Maharishi get Divine Vision?Incidentally, God is not somebody living in Kailasa yonder in the Himalayas or in Vishnuloka, yonder in the skies. God is only a Divine principle. It has no form, as the scriptures cry

out. We, human beings, can conceive God only in

human form and accordingly the statues of Gods are in human form only. Shraddha and Bhakti are the essential prereqisites for Divine grace and vision. If your sincerity, faith in the words of Guru and scriptures and practice thereof and your devotion are considered exemplary by God, God will appear before you. Even exhibition of a little degree of anger, pride, arrogance, ego etc. etc. on the part of a devotee will drive away god from giving darshan to a devotee. Unless you see the prescence of God in all beings, you can not have God appearing before you.G.Balasubramanian

 

 

 

Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009 12:29:09 PMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] God's Presence

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hv replied again I say Yes but it need full FAITH.and confidence I understand no body trust in this what Puran says and what I say!

When I say I have seen but I think out of this Group there could be very rare to trust ?

Again I will repeat all need FAITH FAITH FAITH....... ......

The Darshan of God and the fullfillment of wishes and all asked is bcoz of X birth Karma.

Best Regards

Assaram--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com> wrote:

Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] God's Presenceom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 7:16 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Casey has asked an universal question which people have been pondering for answer.

if we find a correct answer will God exist?

GPS--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Casey <zziegamp (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au> wrote:

Casey <zziegamp (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] God's Presenceom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 2:23 AM

 

 

Hi, everyoneI wanted to ask what the members of this list think of God personally manifesting for the worshipper in times of need? We see many examples in the Puranas but nowadays - at least in the west - if you confess to having a deeply personal relationship with God, one in which God responds, you are seen as delusional. So, as I said, I wanted to know what members thought about such relationships with God? Also, another question - can/does God take on personal manifestations for people?SincerelyCasey

[Guest guest]

NamasteI wanted to ask what the members of this list think of God personally manifesting for the worshipper in times of need?This depends on the clarity and purity of your subconscious mind, this is why there are many purification exercises in Hindu ritual practices. Some more highly evolved people do not require this. God is always available to those who have attuned their mind to their higher self. We see many examples in

> the Puranas but nowadays - at least in the west - if you confess to

> having a deeply personal relationship with God, one in which God

> /responds,/ you are seen as delusional.That is for several reasons1) Psychologists who guide popular opinions are trained to deny the existence of other spirit entities2) There are many people who although having genuine experience are not able to maintain it and so when queried or tested are unable to give validity to their experience.3) There are many corrupt/seriously mentally ill people who have used God's teachings to gain money, power and to exercise this negatively over people which has resulted in a social distrust of people claiming this.4) Although having these experiences the aspirant under most conditions cannot command GOD to perform tricks. All experiences are in accordance with ones Karma and by the will of GOD.It is a tradition that when you have these experiences keep them to yourself, relish in it and when you meet people of like minds you may discuss it, if it arises. Mainly however such

discussion should be limited to one's guru. Also, another question - can/does God take on personal manifestations

for people?Yes in the tantric tradition this is possible through "Shaktipat" where a particular Devi/Devata is invoked.Namah SivayaBest Regards--- On Wed, 7/15/09, bhatnagar_shailendra <bhatnagar_shailendra wrote:bhatnagar_shailendra <bhatnagar_shailendra Re: God's Presence Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 6:50 AM

 

Om Namah Shivaya

Namaste,

Where there is existence there is God. I say - I exist. But what is it that exists ? The Vedas tell us that "sat" or existence is the unchanging/unborn/ unattached/ unconnected essence or substance of everything. This "sat" is not a thing but is the basis of all things. Knowing intellectually and with faith that my essence is God, I am still a seeker. Why ? Because of strong association with body and mind - this is my body and this is my mind. As long as this duality is there, we seek God outside us.

 

In the realm of dualistic thinking, the bhakta or devotee can have any relationship with God. Personally, I mentally prostrate to him many times in the day but intellectually I always try to remember that this light of awareness or consciousness is Bhagavan Shiv himself. Sometimes he gives tough experiences but the tough experiences have lot of value - they teach a lot. You yourself are his manifestation . I personally believe he works through the mind. When you see mental calmness/serenity/ poise, change in your own behavior or behavior of others around you - that is God in action.

 

regards,

Shailendra

 

om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Casey <zziegamp@.. .> wrote:

>

> Hi, everyone

>

> I wanted to ask what the members of this list think of God personally

> manifesting for the worshipper in times of need? We see many examples in

> the Puranas but nowadays - at least in the west - if you confess to

> having a deeply personal relationship with God, one in which God

> /responds,/ you are seen as delusional. So, as I said, I wanted to know

> what members thought about such relationships with God?

>

> Also, another question - can/does God take on personal manifestations

> for people?

>

> Sincerely

> Casey

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste

 

I wanted to ask what the members of this list think of God personally

manifesting for the worshipper in times of need?

 

This depends on the clarity and purity of your subconscious mind, this is why

there are many purification exercises in Hindu ritual practices. Some more

highly evolved people do not require this. God is always available to those who

have attuned their mind to their higher self.

 

We see many examples in

> the Puranas but nowadays - at least in the west - if you confess to

> having a deeply personal relationship with God, one in which God

> /responds,/ you are seen as delusional.

 

That is for several reasons

1) Psychologists who guide popular opinions are trained to deny the existence of

other spirit entities

2) There are many people who although having genuine experience are not able to

maintain it and so when queried or tested are unable to give validity to their

experience.

3) There are many corrupt/seriously mentally ill people who have used God's

teachings to gain money, power and to exercise this negatively over people which

has resulted in a social distrust of people claiming this.

4) Although having these experiences the aspirant under most conditions cannot

command GOD to perform tricks. All experiences are in accordance with ones Karma

and by the will of GOD.

 

It is a tradition that when you have these experiences keep them to yourself,

relish in it and when you meet people of like minds you may discuss it, if it

arises. Mainly however such discussion should be limited to one's guru.

 

 

Also, another question - can/does God take on personal manifestations for

people?

 

Yes in the tantric tradition this is possible through " Shaktipat " where a

particular Devi/Devata is invoked.

 

Namah Sivaya

Best Regards

 

 

, " bhatnagar_shailendra "

<bhatnagar_shailendra wrote:

>

> Om Namah Shivaya

> Namaste,

> Where there is existence there is God. I say - I exist. But what is it that

exists ? The Vedas tell us that " sat " or existence is the

unchanging/unborn/unattached/unconnected essence or substance of everything.

This " sat " is not a thing but is the basis of all things. Knowing intellectually

and with faith that my essence is God, I am still a seeker. Why ? Because of

strong association with body and mind - this is my body and this is my mind. As

long as this duality is there, we seek God outside us.

>

> In the realm of dualistic thinking, the bhakta or devotee can have any

relationship with God. Personally, I mentally prostrate to him many times in the

day but intellectually I always try to remember that this light of awareness or

consciousness is Bhagavan Shiv himself. Sometimes he gives tough experiences but

the tough experiences have lot of value - they teach a lot. You yourself are his

manifestation . I personally believe he works through the mind. When you see

mental calmness/serenity/poise, change in your own behavior or behavior of

others around you - that is God in action.

>

> regards,

> Shailendra

>

> , Casey <zziegamp@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi, everyone

> >

> > I wanted to ask what the members of this list think of God personally

> > manifesting for the worshipper in times of need? We see many examples in

> > the Puranas but nowadays - at least in the west - if you confess to

> > having a deeply personal relationship with God, one in which God

> > /responds,/ you are seen as delusional. So, as I said, I wanted to know

> > what members thought about such relationships with God?

> >

> > Also, another question - can/does God take on personal manifestations

> > for people?

> >

> > Sincerely

> > Casey

> >

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