Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Hari OM.It should be the endeavour of a true sadhaka to find a true Guru and approach him duly to get initiated into the methods of enquiry through the process of meditation. There are certain essential qualifications not only for a true seeker but also for a true Guru. All men of realization and wisdom can not become true and efficient Masters (Gurus) of Spirituality. Certain traits of a true Guru were mentioned in posting no.1. A true Guru is one who is well-established in the supreme Consciousness. He must be himself' illumined'; otherwise he will be like a blind man leading the blind (Andhena eva Niyamaana Yatha Andhah), as the Kathopanishad puts it. To guide and instruct a deluded soul and help him to unwind himself and unravel the knotty traits in him, one must have something more than a perfect experience. The Guru must, no doubt, have had full realization but he must also have a complete grasp of the great scriptures. Without the study of the scriptures even the Self-realized masters will not have the language or the technique of expression to convey his profound knowledge to his disciples. Apart from spiritual knowledge and erudition, the Guru must also have great self-control and the immense riches of a well-developed heart. He must have an irresistable flow of mercy which demands no special cause for its manifestation, especially when it descends upon those who have surrendered themselves to him, having reached his feet as spiritual refugees. (to be continued) G.Balasubramanian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 How one can judge that who is true Guru just to wear Sadhu dress or having outside some knowledge but inside some other that can't be judged at all but from age it could be! Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/7/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2 Cc: USBrahmins , Aryakrishti-Vedic-Dharma , "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva >Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 3:50 AM Hari OM.It should be the endeavour of a true sadhaka to find a true Guru and approach him duly to get initiated into the methods of enquiry through the process of meditation. There are certain essential qualifications not only for a true seeker but also for a true Guru. All men of realization and wisdom can not become true and efficient Masters (Gurus) of Spirituality. Certain traits of a true Guru were mentioned in posting no.1. A true Guru is one who is well-established in the supreme Consciousness. He must be himself' illumined'; otherwise he will be like a blind man leading the blind (Andhena eva Niyamaana Yatha Andhah), as the Kathopanishad puts it. To guide and instruct a deluded soul and help him to unwind himself and unravel the knotty traits in him, one must have something more than a perfect experience. The Guru must, no doubt, have had full realization but he must also have a complete grasp of the great scriptures. Without the study of the scriptures even the Self-realized masters will not have the language or the technique of expression to convey his profound knowledge to his disciples. Apart from spiritual knowledge and erudition, the Guru must also have great self-control and the immense riches of a well-developed heart. He must have an irresistable flow of mercy which demands no special cause for its manifestation, especially when it descends upon those who have surrendered themselves to him, having reached his feet as spiritual refugees. (to be continued) G.Balasubramanian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 True Gurus do not give importance for Dress. Never judge a person by his or her dress. Judge a person by his talks, actions, deeds, activities etc. etc. True Gurus are born Gurus. It is not difficult to judge as to who is impostor and who is genuine. Stay with him and observe him closely. You may not know much about a starnger when you meet him first. As your interaction with him grows, you will know his true colours. G.Balasubramanian Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 12:40:41 PMRe: WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2 How one can judge that who is true Guru just to wear Sadhu dress or having outside some knowledge but inside some other that can't be judged at all but from age it could be! Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/7/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: USBrahmins@gro ups.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva>Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 3:50 AM Hari OM.It should be the endeavour of a true sadhaka to find a true Guru and approach him duly to get initiated into the methods of enquiry through the process of meditation. There are certain essential qualifications not only for a true seeker but also for a true Guru. All men of realization and wisdom can not become true and efficient Masters (Gurus) of Spirituality. Certain traits of a true Guru were mentioned in posting no.1. A true Guru is one who is well-established in the supreme Consciousness. He must be himself' illumined'; otherwise he will be like a blind man leading the blind (Andhena eva Niyamaana Yatha Andhah), as the Kathopanishad puts it. To guide and instruct a deluded soul and help him to unwind himself and unravel the knotty traits in him, one must have something more than a perfect experience. The Guru must, no doubt, have had full realization but he must also have a complete grasp of the great scriptures. Without the study of the scriptures even the Self-realized masters will not have the language or the technique of expression to convey his profound knowledge to his disciples. Apart from spiritual knowledge and erudition, the Guru must also have great self-control and the immense riches of a well-developed heart. He must have an irresistable flow of mercy which demands no special cause for its manifestation, especially when it descends upon those who have surrendered themselves to him, having reached his feet as spiritual refugees. (to be continued) G.Balasubramanian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Yes thats what I want to say but it is also need time to stay with and have his/her knowledge judgment which is again not an easy task.If we watch on TV channels many Bhashan givers appear daily on different channels which I some time watch but my judgement is these are all Businessman just to get membership and out of that money. Now tell me where to find out true Guru and How to search for that. What I have studied in Shiv Puran that you have to take permission from real Guru.I didn't find one as yet so I requested Shiv Bhagwan that you be my Guru and permit me for reciting all your Astotar Mantra and Puran too which I have faith that Shiva accepted and I achieved many sidhis for some Mantras, Shiv Puran and others. It is learnt that Datatrya had many Gurus either the figure is 18 or 16?He when see any thing giving some thing than he requested to be Guru.Like Sun,moon etc. I request all if some learanate Guru is known please inform me. I had Guru with highly knowledgeable knowings but still I want more .My Guru is in Gujrat India she was in Pakistan and migrated in 1990 now she is Indian. Best Regards Assaram--- On Wed, 7/8/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2 Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 3:43 AM True Gurus do not give importance for Dress. Never judge a person by his or her dress. Judge a person by his talks, actions, deeds, activities etc. etc. True Gurus are born Gurus. It is not difficult to judge as to who is impostor and who is genuine. Stay with him and observe him closely. You may not know much about a starnger when you meet him first. As your interaction with him grows, you will know his true colours. G.Balasubramanian Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 7, 2009 12:40:41 PMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2 How one can judge that who is true Guru just to wear Sadhu dress or having outside some knowledge but inside some other that can't be judged at all but from age it could be! Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/7/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: USBrahmins@gro ups.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva>Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 3:50 AM Hari OM.It should be the endeavour of a true sadhaka to find a true Guru and approach him duly to get initiated into the methods of enquiry through the process of meditation. There are certain essential qualifications not only for a true seeker but also for a true Guru. All men of realization and wisdom can not become true and efficient Masters (Gurus) of Spirituality. Certain traits of a true Guru were mentioned in posting no.1. A true Guru is one who is well-established in the supreme Consciousness. He must be himself' illumined'; otherwise he will be like a blind man leading the blind (Andhena eva Niyamaana Yatha Andhah), as the Kathopanishad puts it. To guide and instruct a deluded soul and help him to unwind himself and unravel the knotty traits in him, one must have something more than a perfect experience. The Guru must, no doubt, have had full realization but he must also have a complete grasp of the great scriptures. Without the study of the scriptures even the Self-realized masters will not have the language or the technique of expression to convey his profound knowledge to his disciples. Apart from spiritual knowledge and erudition, the Guru must also have great self-control and the immense riches of a well-developed heart. He must have an irresistable flow of mercy which demands no special cause for its manifestation, especially when it descends upon those who have surrendered themselves to him, having reached his feet as spiritual refugees. (to be continued) G.Balasubramanian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Dear Assaram Alimchandani,You do not have to go in search of Gurus. The Guru walks into your life by Divine Grace. Pray to God to send the Guru to you.G.BalasubramanianAssaram Alamchandani <aac6993 Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:26:00 PMRe: WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2 Yes thats what I want to say but it is also need time to stay with and have his/her knowledge judgment which is again not an easy task.If we watch on TV channels many Bhashan givers appear daily on different channels which I some time watch but my judgement is these are all Businessman just to get membership and out of that money. Now tell me where to find out true Guru and How to search for that. What I have studied in Shiv Puran that you have to take permission from real Guru.I didn't find one as yet so I requested Shiv Bhagwan that you be my Guru and permit me for reciting all your Astotar Mantra and Puran too which I have faith that Shiva accepted and I achieved many sidhis for some Mantras, Shiv Puran and others. It is learnt that Datatrya had many Gurus either the figure is 18 or 16?He when see any thing giving some thing than he requested to be Guru.Like Sun,moon etc. I request all if some learanate Guru is known please inform me. I had Guru with highly knowledgeable knowings but still I want more .My Guru is in Gujrat India she was in Pakistan and migrated in 1990 now she is Indian. Best Regards Assaram--- On Wed, 7/8/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 8, 2009, 3:43 AM True Gurus do not give importance for Dress. Never judge a person by his or her dress. Judge a person by his talks, actions, deeds, activities etc. etc. True Gurus are born Gurus. It is not difficult to judge as to who is impostor and who is genuine. Stay with him and observe him closely. You may not know much about a starnger when you meet him first. As your interaction with him grows, you will know his true colours. G.Balasubramanian Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 7, 2009 12:40:41 PMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2 How one can judge that who is true Guru just to wear Sadhu dress or having outside some knowledge but inside some other that can't be judged at all but from age it could be! Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/7/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: USBrahmins@gro ups.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva>Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 3:50 AM Hari OM.It should be the endeavour of a true sadhaka to find a true Guru and approach him duly to get initiated into the methods of enquiry through the process of meditation. There are certain essential qualifications not only for a true seeker but also for a true Guru. All men of realization and wisdom can not become true and efficient Masters (Gurus) of Spirituality. Certain traits of a true Guru were mentioned in posting no.1. A true Guru is one who is well-established in the supreme Consciousness. He must be himself' illumined'; otherwise he will be like a blind man leading the blind (Andhena eva Niyamaana Yatha Andhah), as the Kathopanishad puts it. To guide and instruct a deluded soul and help him to unwind himself and unravel the knotty traits in him, one must have something more than a perfect experience. The Guru must, no doubt, have had full realization but he must also have a complete grasp of the great scriptures. Without the study of the scriptures even the Self-realized masters will not have the language or the technique of expression to convey his profound knowledge to his disciples. Apart from spiritual knowledge and erudition, the Guru must also have great self-control and the immense riches of a well-developed heart. He must have an irresistable flow of mercy which demands no special cause for its manifestation, especially when it descends upon those who have surrendered themselves to him, having reached his feet as spiritual refugees. (to be continued) G.Balasubramanian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Om Namah Shivai I entirely agree with G Balasubramanian ji I had experienced it in my life May Shiva grant you your desire please Pray to Him with Faith. once you asked for Kamal Mala it of Kamal Gatta Red in colour & is usefull for chanting Mantra of Goddess Lakshmi. mggarga--- On Thu, 7/9/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2 Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 6:06 AM Dear Assaram Alimchandani,You do not have to go in search of Gurus. The Guru walks into your life by Divine Grace. Pray to God to send the Guru to you.G.Balasubramanian Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 8, 2009 12:26:00 PMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2 Yes thats what I want to say but it is also need time to stay with and have his/her knowledge judgment which is again not an easy task.If we watch on TV channels many Bhashan givers appear daily on different channels which I some time watch but my judgement is these are all Businessman just to get membership and out of that money. Now tell me where to find out true Guru and How to search for that. What I have studied in Shiv Puran that you have to take permission from real Guru.I didn't find one as yet so I requested Shiv Bhagwan that you be my Guru and permit me for reciting all your Astotar Mantra and Puran too which I have faith that Shiva accepted and I achieved many sidhis for some Mantras, Shiv Puran and others. It is learnt that Datatrya had many Gurus either the figure is 18 or 16?He when see any thing giving some thing than he requested to be Guru.Like Sun,moon etc. I request all if some learanate Guru is known please inform me. I had Guru with highly knowledgeable knowings but still I want more .My Guru is in Gujrat India she was in Pakistan and migrated in 1990 now she is Indian. Best Regards Assaram--- On Wed, 7/8/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 8, 2009, 3:43 AM True Gurus do not give importance for Dress. Never judge a person by his or her dress. Judge a person by his talks, actions, deeds, activities etc. etc. True Gurus are born Gurus. It is not difficult to judge as to who is impostor and who is genuine. Stay with him and observe him closely. You may not know much about a starnger when you meet him first. As your interaction with him grows, you will know his true colours. G.Balasubramanian Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 7, 2009 12:40:41 PMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2 How one can judge that who is true Guru just to wear Sadhu dress or having outside some knowledge but inside some other that can't be judged at all but from age it could be! Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/7/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: USBrahmins@gro ups.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva>Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 3:50 AM Hari OM.It should be the endeavour of a true sadhaka to find a true Guru and approach him duly to get initiated into the methods of enquiry through the process of meditation. There are certain essential qualifications not only for a true seeker but also for a true Guru. All men of realization and wisdom can not become true and efficient Masters (Gurus) of Spirituality. Certain traits of a true Guru were mentioned in posting no.1. A true Guru is one who is well-established in the supreme Consciousness. He must be himself' illumined'; otherwise he will be like a blind man leading the blind (Andhena eva Niyamaana Yatha Andhah), as the Kathopanishad puts it. To guide and instruct a deluded soul and help him to unwind himself and unravel the knotty traits in him, one must have something more than a perfect experience. The Guru must, no doubt, have had full realization but he must also have a complete grasp of the great scriptures. Without the study of the scriptures even the Self-realized masters will not have the language or the technique of expression to convey his profound knowledge to his disciples. Apart from spiritual knowledge and erudition, the Guru must also have great self-control and the immense riches of a well-developed heart. He must have an irresistable flow of mercy which demands no special cause for its manifestation, especially when it descends upon those who have surrendered themselves to him, having reached his feet as spiritual refugees. (to be continued) G.Balasubramanian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Dear G. BalasubramanianJi, Thank you but I am waiting since last 15 years I got Guru which I have dictated at other discussion the Guru Vachan I got from her is only reciting "SOHAM" it is realy very nice but I want a Guru who give me something "Shiva & Shakti" knowledge and how to get thy Darshan. My main objective is to acheive actual "Darshan" of "Shiv & Shakti" I am only doing all for this and I have Faith & Confident that I will get Darshan in my this Birth. With Love and Best Regards Assaram --- On Wed, 7/8/09, mg garga <mggarga wrote: mg garga <mggargaRe: WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2 Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:55 PM Om Namah Shivai I entirely agree with G Balasubramanian ji I had experienced it in my life May Shiva grant you your desire please Pray to Him with Faith. once you asked for Kamal Mala it of Kamal Gatta Red in colour & is usefull for chanting Mantra of Goddess Lakshmi. mggarga--- On Thu, 7/9/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 9, 2009, 6:06 AM Dear Assaram Alimchandani,You do not have to go in search of Gurus. The Guru walks into your life by Divine Grace. Pray to God to send the Guru to you.G.Balasubramanian Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 8, 2009 12:26:00 PMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2 Yes thats what I want to say but it is also need time to stay with and have his/her knowledge judgment which is again not an easy task.If we watch on TV channels many Bhashan givers appear daily on different channels which I some time watch but my judgement is these are all Businessman just to get membership and out of that money. Now tell me where to find out true Guru and How to search for that. What I have studied in Shiv Puran that you have to take permission from real Guru.I didn't find one as yet so I requested Shiv Bhagwan that you be my Guru and permit me for reciting all your Astotar Mantra and Puran too which I have faith that Shiva accepted and I achieved many sidhis for some Mantras, Shiv Puran and others. It is learnt that Datatrya had many Gurus either the figure is 18 or 16?He when see any thing giving some thing than he requested to be Guru.Like Sun,moon etc. I request all if some learanate Guru is known please inform me. I had Guru with highly knowledgeable knowings but still I want more .My Guru is in Gujrat India she was in Pakistan and migrated in 1990 now she is Indian. Best Regards Assaram--- On Wed, 7/8/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 8, 2009, 3:43 AM True Gurus do not give importance for Dress. Never judge a person by his or her dress. Judge a person by his talks, actions, deeds, activities etc. etc. True Gurus are born Gurus. It is not difficult to judge as to who is impostor and who is genuine. Stay with him and observe him closely. You may not know much about a starnger when you meet him first. As your interaction with him grows, you will know his true colours. G.Balasubramanian Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 7, 2009 12:40:41 PMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2 How one can judge that who is true Guru just to wear Sadhu dress or having outside some knowledge but inside some other that can't be judged at all but from age it could be! Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/7/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] WHO IS A TRUE GURU and WHO IS A TRUE SEEKER--2om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: USBrahmins@gro ups.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva>Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 3:50 AM Hari OM.It should be the endeavour of a true sadhaka to find a true Guru and approach him duly to get initiated into the methods of enquiry through the process of meditation. There are certain essential qualifications not only for a true seeker but also for a true Guru. All men of realization and wisdom can not become true and efficient Masters (Gurus) of Spirituality. Certain traits of a true Guru were mentioned in posting no.1. A true Guru is one who is well-established in the supreme Consciousness. He must be himself' illumined'; otherwise he will be like a blind man leading the blind (Andhena eva Niyamaana Yatha Andhah), as the Kathopanishad puts it. To guide and instruct a deluded soul and help him to unwind himself and unravel the knotty traits in him, one must have something more than a perfect experience. The Guru must, no doubt, have had full realization but he must also have a complete grasp of the great scriptures. Without the study of the scriptures even the Self-realized masters will not have the language or the technique of expression to convey his profound knowledge to his disciples. Apart from spiritual knowledge and erudition, the Guru must also have great self-control and the immense riches of a well-developed heart. He must have an irresistable flow of mercy which demands no special cause for its manifestation, especially when it descends upon those who have surrendered themselves to him, having reached his feet as spiritual refugees. (to be continued) G.Balasubramanian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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