Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Veeraswamy Krishnarajwww.bhagavadgitausa.com.Click: Tantra. In Kaulaka tradition, there are six kinds of Gurus: Preraka, the impeller who instills interest in initiation into Kaula tradition; Sucaka, the indicator, who points to Sadhana as the means to liberation; Vacaka, the speaker, who explains the tenets of Kaula dharma; Darsaka, the demonstrator, who by his example shows the performance of rites and rituals; Siksaka, the instructor, who gives instructions in Sadhana; and Bodhaka, Spiritual teacher who enlightens the pupil on spiritual knowledge. The Bhodaka plays the central role because his teachings form the nucleus to the contributions made by other teachers; thus spiritual knowledge facilitated by ancillary methods of impelling, indicating, showing, and instructing attains fruition. One has to pick and choose a Guru; one may end up like a bee that goes from flower to flower accumulating honey; this search for a good guru actually helps a sadhaka achieve wider knowledge. If the Guru-Sisya relationship is agreeable to both the Guru and the Sadhaka, they should act in each other's interest: the Guru takes care of the spiritual needs of the Sadhaka and the Sadhaka treats the Guru like god on earth. A list of disqualifications of Guru: Himsa (injury) sinning bad reputation devious mind cruelty (Krura) selling gold thieving plagued with troubles and worries bad character adulterous foul language deformed sensuous deceiver adharma talkative greedy miserly liar hyperactive lacks reverence devoid of acaras many blemishes money-minded Consumption (TB) Skin disease diseased nails diseased teeth deafness cataract bald! lame! deformed! extra body parts conjunctivitis halitosis! large testicles! hunchback! leper impotence! breaks Kaula practices loudmouth pure ritualist physician! arrogance vanity addiction wicked bad company unbeliever timid ignorance of Mantras epicurean astrologer usurps property from pupil wastes Sisya's money harms out of greed A list of some qualifications of Guru: Knowledge of Vira Knowledge of Divya Knowledge of Kaula Knowledge of Sattva Knowledge of Rajas Knowledge of tamas Knowledge of Mantra Knowledge of Guru Knowledge of Devata Meaning of Mantra Awakening of Mantra Yoni Mudra Calm Self-control Pure mind Siddha (perfection) reveals to Sisya previously unknown knowledge reveals spiritual Truths There are three classes of Gurus: Prabhu = Lord; Vibhu = The Greatest, The Supreme Lord, Omnipresent; Svayambhu = self-created, self-existent. All have equal weight with God. Bogus Yogis are available here and there on the field, or by the river, meaning they are ubiquitous (hatemathe = Hatta = market, fair + Mathe =field). In modern parlance, they are dime a dozen. Atheists, Epicures, the unclean, the unwashed, and low-life scoundrels take the name of Yogis so much so that Uravasi, Menaka, and Rambha hide their beauty by taking on the forms of animals. In this Kaliyuga, the misfits, the nonconformists, the disconnected, and the unanchored wander around professing Yoga Marga and Arya Dharma. Veeraswamy Krishnaraj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Guru is the person who takes us from darkness to light without any selfish motive or anything in return. --- On Tue, 7/7/09, myumbra-bgusa <myumbra-bgusa wrote:myumbra-bgusa <myumbra-bgusa Who is a Guru? Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 5:58 PM Veeraswamy Krishnarajwww.bhagavadgitausa .com.Click: Tantra. In Kaulaka tradition, there are six kinds of Gurus: Preraka, the impeller who instills interest in initiation into Kaula tradition; Sucaka, the indicator, who points to Sadhana as the means to liberation; Vacaka, the speaker, who explains the tenets of Kaula dharma; Darsaka, the demonstrator, who by his example shows the performance of rites and rituals; Siksaka, the instructor, who gives instructions in Sadhana; and Bodhaka, Spiritual teacher who enlightens the pupil on spiritual knowledge. The Bhodaka plays the central role because his teachings form the nucleus to the contributions made by other teachers; thus spiritual knowledge facilitated by ancillary methods of impelling, indicating, showing, and instructing attains fruition. One has to pick and choose a Guru; one may end up like a bee that goes from flower to flower accumulating honey; this search for a good guru actually helps a sadhaka achieve wider knowledge. If the Guru-Sisya relationship is agreeable to both the Guru and the Sadhaka, they should act in each other's interest: the Guru takes care of the spiritual needs of the Sadhaka and the Sadhaka treats the Guru like god on earth. A list of disqualifications of Guru: Himsa (injury) sinning bad reputation devious mind cruelty (Krura) selling gold thieving plagued with troubles and worries bad character adulterous foul language deformed sensuous deceiver adharma talkative greedy miserly liar hyperactive lacks reverence devoid of acaras many blemishes money-minded Consumption (TB) Skin disease diseased nails diseased teeth deafness cataract bald! lame! deformed! extra body parts conjunctivitis halitosis! large testicles! hunchback! leper impotence! breaks Kaula practices loudmouth pure ritualist physician! arrogance vanity addiction wicked bad company unbeliever timid ignorance of Mantras epicurean astrologer usurps property from pupil wastes Sisya's money harms out of greed A list of some qualifications of Guru: Knowledge of Vira Knowledge of Divya Knowledge of Kaula Knowledge of Sattva Knowledge of Rajas Knowledge of tamas Knowledge of Mantra Knowledge of Guru Knowledge of Devata Meaning of Mantra Awakening of Mantra Yoni Mudra Calm Self-control Pure mind Siddha (perfection) reveals to Sisya previously unknown knowledge reveals spiritual Truths There are three classes of Gurus: Prabhu = Lord; Vibhu = The Greatest, The Supreme Lord, Omnipresent; Svayambhu = self-created, self-existent. All have equal weight with God. Bogus Yogis are available here and there on the field, or by the river, meaning they are ubiquitous (hatemathe = Hatta = market, fair + Mathe =field). In modern parlance, they are dime a dozen. Atheists, Epicures, the unclean, the unwashed, and low-life scoundrels take the name of Yogis so much so that Uravasi, Menaka, and Rambha hide their beauty by taking on the forms of animals. In this Kaliyuga, the misfits, the nonconformists, the disconnected, and the unanchored wander around professing Yoga Marga and Arya Dharma. Veeraswamy Krishnaraj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 These Days to Find a Knowledgelable Guru is very very difficult and all are modern Gurus? If I am wrong please correct me but to find a true Guru........?????? Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/7/09, myumbra-bgusa <myumbra-bgusa wrote: myumbra-bgusa <myumbra-bgusa Who is a Guru? Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 5:28 AM Veeraswamy Krishnarajwww.bhagavadgitausa .com.Click: Tantra. In Kaulaka tradition, there are six kinds of Gurus: Preraka, the impeller who instills interest in initiation into Kaula tradition; Sucaka, the indicator, who points to Sadhana as the means to liberation; Vacaka, the speaker, who explains the tenets of Kaula dharma; Darsaka, the demonstrator, who by his example shows the performance of rites and rituals; Siksaka, the instructor, who gives instructions in Sadhana; and Bodhaka, Spiritual teacher who enlightens the pupil on spiritual knowledge. The Bhodaka plays the central role because his teachings form the nucleus to the contributions made by other teachers; thus spiritual knowledge facilitated by ancillary methods of impelling, indicating, showing, and instructing attains fruition. One has to pick and choose a Guru; one may end up like a bee that goes from flower to flower accumulating honey; this search for a good guru actually helps a sadhaka achieve wider knowledge. If the Guru-Sisya relationship is agreeable to both the Guru and the Sadhaka, they should act in each other's interest: the Guru takes care of the spiritual needs of the Sadhaka and the Sadhaka treats the Guru like god on earth. A list of disqualifications of Guru: Himsa (injury) sinning bad reputation devious mind cruelty (Krura) selling gold thieving plagued with troubles and worries bad character adulterous foul language deformed sensuous deceiver adharma talkative greedy miserly liar hyperactive lacks reverence devoid of acaras many blemishes money-minded Consumption (TB) Skin disease diseased nails diseased teeth deafness cataract bald! lame! deformed! extra body parts conjunctivitis halitosis! large testicles! hunchback! leper impotence! breaks Kaula practices loudmouth pure ritualist physician! arrogance vanity addiction wicked bad company unbeliever timid ignorance of Mantras epicurean astrologer usurps property from pupil wastes Sisya's money harms out of greed A list of some qualifications of Guru: Knowledge of Vira Knowledge of Divya Knowledge of Kaula Knowledge of Sattva Knowledge of Rajas Knowledge of tamas Knowledge of Mantra Knowledge of Guru Knowledge of Devata Meaning of Mantra Awakening of Mantra Yoni Mudra Calm Self-control Pure mind Siddha (perfection) reveals to Sisya previously unknown knowledge reveals spiritual Truths There are three classes of Gurus: Prabhu = Lord; Vibhu = The Greatest, The Supreme Lord, Omnipresent; Svayambhu = self-created, self-existent. All have equal weight with God. Bogus Yogis are available here and there on the field, or by the river, meaning they are ubiquitous (hatemathe = Hatta = market, fair + Mathe =field). In modern parlance, they are dime a dozen. Atheists, Epicures, the unclean, the unwashed, and low-life scoundrels take the name of Yogis so much so that Uravasi, Menaka, and Rambha hide their beauty by taking on the forms of animals. In this Kaliyuga, the misfits, the nonconformists, the disconnected, and the unanchored wander around professing Yoga Marga and Arya Dharma. Veeraswamy Krishnaraj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 When the student is ready the Guru will arrive. So believe in God and he will send us the Sadguru--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 wrote:Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993Re: Who is a Guru? Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 10:07 PM These Days to Find a Knowledgelable Guru is very very difficult and all are modern Gurus? If I am wrong please correct me but to find a true Guru........ ?????? Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/7/09, myumbra-bgusa@ <myumbra-bgusa@ > wrote: myumbra-bgusa@ <myumbra-bgusa@ >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Who is a Guru?om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 7, 2009, 5:28 AM Veeraswamy Krishnarajwww.bhagavadgitausa .com.Click: Tantra. In Kaulaka tradition, there are six kinds of Gurus: Preraka, the impeller who instills interest in initiation into Kaula tradition; Sucaka, the indicator, who points to Sadhana as the means to liberation; Vacaka, the speaker, who explains the tenets of Kaula dharma; Darsaka, the demonstrator, who by his example shows the performance of rites and rituals; Siksaka, the instructor, who gives instructions in Sadhana; and Bodhaka, Spiritual teacher who enlightens the pupil on spiritual knowledge. The Bhodaka plays the central role because his teachings form the nucleus to the contributions made by other teachers; thus spiritual knowledge facilitated by ancillary methods of impelling, indicating, showing, and instructing attains fruition. One has to pick and choose a Guru; one may end up like a bee that goes from flower to flower accumulating honey; this search for a good guru actually helps a sadhaka achieve wider knowledge. If the Guru-Sisya relationship is agreeable to both the Guru and the Sadhaka, they should act in each other's interest: the Guru takes care of the spiritual needs of the Sadhaka and the Sadhaka treats the Guru like god on earth. A list of disqualifications of Guru: Himsa (injury) sinning bad reputation devious mind cruelty (Krura) selling gold thieving plagued with troubles and worries bad character adulterous foul language deformed sensuous deceiver adharma talkative greedy miserly liar hyperactive lacks reverence devoid of acaras many blemishes money-minded Consumption (TB) Skin disease diseased nails diseased teeth deafness cataract bald! lame! deformed! extra body parts conjunctivitis halitosis! large testicles! hunchback! leper impotence! breaks Kaula practices loudmouth pure ritualist physician! arrogance vanity addiction wicked bad company unbeliever timid ignorance of Mantras epicurean astrologer usurps property from pupil wastes Sisya's money harms out of greed A list of some qualifications of Guru: Knowledge of Vira Knowledge of Divya Knowledge of Kaula Knowledge of Sattva Knowledge of Rajas Knowledge of tamas Knowledge of Mantra Knowledge of Guru Knowledge of Devata Meaning of Mantra Awakening of Mantra Yoni Mudra Calm Self-control Pure mind Siddha (perfection) reveals to Sisya previously unknown knowledge reveals spiritual Truths There are three classes of Gurus: Prabhu = Lord; Vibhu = The Greatest, The Supreme Lord, Omnipresent; Svayambhu = self-created, self-existent. All have equal weight with God. Bogus Yogis are available here and there on the field, or by the river, meaning they are ubiquitous (hatemathe = Hatta = market, fair + Mathe =field). In modern parlance, they are dime a dozen. Atheists, Epicures, the unclean, the unwashed, and low-life scoundrels take the name of Yogis so much so that Uravasi, Menaka, and Rambha hide their beauty by taking on the forms of animals. In this Kaliyuga, the misfits, the nonconformists, the disconnected, and the unanchored wander around professing Yoga Marga and Arya Dharma. Veeraswamy Krishnaraj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Very well said, but it takes some effort from us to get into that direction of finding the sadguru, our first step is to listen to our upa guru or conscience or inner voice, our search for guru is not external but it is internal, the upa guru will lead us to the sad guru. when we follow our upa guru our ego will take the back stage and the divine guidance starts that will lead us through many spiritual experiences, we will meet many teachers, face situations that are miraculous. These experiences and acquaintances are all connected and lead to the ultimate guru. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Wed, 7/8/09, chandak dinesh <Dev_kishan999 wrote: chandak dinesh <Dev_kishan999Re: Who is a Guru? Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 12:23 PM When the student is ready the Guru will arrive. So believe in God and he will send us the Sadguru--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Who is a Guru?om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 7, 2009, 10:07 PM These Days to Find a Knowledgelable Guru is very very difficult and all are modern Gurus? If I am wrong please correct me but to find a true Guru........ ?????? Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/7/09, myumbra-bgusa@ <myumbra-bgusa@ > wrote: myumbra-bgusa@ <myumbra-bgusa@ >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Who is a Guru?om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 7, 2009, 5:28 AM Veeraswamy Krishnarajwww.bhagavadgitausa .com.Click: Tantra. In Kaulaka tradition, there are six kinds of Gurus: Preraka, the impeller who instills interest in initiation into Kaula tradition; Sucaka, the indicator, who points to Sadhana as the means to liberation; Vacaka, the speaker, who explains the tenets of Kaula dharma; Darsaka, the demonstrator, who by his example shows the performance of rites and rituals; Siksaka, the instructor, who gives instructions in Sadhana; and Bodhaka, Spiritual teacher who enlightens the pupil on spiritual knowledge. The Bhodaka plays the central role because his teachings form the nucleus to the contributions made by other teachers; thus spiritual knowledge facilitated by ancillary methods of impelling, indicating, showing, and instructing attains fruition. One has to pick and choose a Guru; one may end up like a bee that goes from flower to flower accumulating honey; this search for a good guru actually helps a sadhaka achieve wider knowledge. If the Guru-Sisya relationship is agreeable to both the Guru and the Sadhaka, they should act in each other's interest: the Guru takes care of the spiritual needs of the Sadhaka and the Sadhaka treats the Guru like god on earth. A list of disqualifications of Guru: Himsa (injury) sinning bad reputation devious mind cruelty (Krura) selling gold thieving plagued with troubles and worries bad character adulterous foul language deformed sensuous deceiver adharma talkative greedy miserly liar hyperactive lacks reverence devoid of acaras many blemishes money-minded Consumption (TB) Skin disease diseased nails diseased teeth deafness cataract bald! lame! deformed! extra body parts conjunctivitis halitosis! large testicles! hunchback! leper impotence! breaks Kaula practices loudmouth pure ritualist physician! arrogance vanity addiction wicked bad company unbeliever timid ignorance of Mantras epicurean astrologer usurps property from pupil wastes Sisya's money harms out of greed A list of some qualifications of Guru: Knowledge of Vira Knowledge of Divya Knowledge of Kaula Knowledge of Sattva Knowledge of Rajas Knowledge of tamas Knowledge of Mantra Knowledge of Guru Knowledge of Devata Meaning of Mantra Awakening of Mantra Yoni Mudra Calm Self-control Pure mind Siddha (perfection) reveals to Sisya previously unknown knowledge reveals spiritual Truths There are three classes of Gurus: Prabhu = Lord; Vibhu = The Greatest, The Supreme Lord, Omnipresent; Svayambhu = self-created, self-existent. All have equal weight with God. Bogus Yogis are available here and there on the field, or by the river, meaning they are ubiquitous (hatemathe = Hatta = market, fair + Mathe =field). In modern parlance, they are dime a dozen. Atheists, Epicures, the unclean, the unwashed, and low-life scoundrels take the name of Yogis so much so that Uravasi, Menaka, and Rambha hide their beauty by taking on the forms of animals. In this Kaliyuga, the misfits, the nonconformists, the disconnected, and the unanchored wander around professing Yoga Marga and Arya Dharma. Veeraswamy Krishnaraj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 dr.p.r.k.prasad--- On Wed, 8/7/09, chandak dinesh <Dev_kishan999 wrote:chandak dinesh <Dev_kishan999Re: Who is a Guru? Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 9:53 PM When the student is ready the Guru will arrive. So believe in God and he will send us the Sadguru--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote:Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Who is a Guru?om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 7, 2009, 10:07 PM These Days to Find a Knowledgelable Guru is very very difficult and all are modern Gurus? If I am wrong please correct me but to find a true Guru........ ?????? Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/7/09, myumbra-bgusa@ <myumbra-bgusa@ > wrote: myumbra-bgusa@ <myumbra-bgusa@ >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Who is a Guru?om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 7, 2009, 5:28 AM Veeraswamy Krishnarajwww.bhagavadgitausa .com.Click: Tantra. In Kaulaka tradition, there are six kinds of Gurus: Preraka, the impeller who instills interest in initiation into Kaula tradition; Sucaka, the indicator, who points to Sadhana as the means to liberation; Vacaka, the speaker, who explains the tenets of Kaula dharma; Darsaka, the demonstrator, who by his example shows the performance of rites and rituals; Siksaka, the instructor, who gives instructions in Sadhana; and Bodhaka, Spiritual teacher who enlightens the pupil on spiritual knowledge. The Bhodaka plays the central role because his teachings form the nucleus to the contributions made by other teachers; thus spiritual knowledge facilitated by ancillary methods of impelling, indicating, showing, and instructing attains fruition. One has to pick and choose a Guru; one may end up like a bee that goes from flower to flower accumulating honey; this search for a good guru actually helps a sadhaka achieve wider knowledge. If the Guru-Sisya relationship is agreeable to both the Guru and the Sadhaka, they should act in each other's interest: the Guru takes care of the spiritual needs of the Sadhaka and the Sadhaka treats the Guru like god on earth. A list of disqualifications of Guru: Himsa (injury) sinning bad reputation devious mind cruelty (Krura) selling gold thieving plagued with troubles and worries bad character adulterous foul language deformed sensuous deceiver adharma talkative greedy miserly liar hyperactive lacks reverence devoid of acaras many blemishes money-minded Consumption (TB) Skin disease diseased nails diseased teeth deafness cataract bald! lame! deformed! extra body parts conjunctivitis halitosis! large testicles! hunchback! leper impotence! breaks Kaula practices loudmouth pure ritualist physician! arrogance vanity addiction wicked bad company unbeliever timid ignorance of Mantras epicurean astrologer usurps property from pupil wastes Sisya's money harms out of greed A list of some qualifications of Guru: Knowledge of Vira Knowledge of Divya Knowledge of Kaula Knowledge of Sattva Knowledge of Rajas Knowledge of tamas Knowledge of Mantra Knowledge of Guru Knowledge of Devata Meaning of Mantra Awakening of Mantra Yoni Mudra Calm Self-control Pure mind Siddha (perfection) reveals to Sisya previously unknown knowledge reveals spiritual Truths There are three classes of Gurus: Prabhu = Lord; Vibhu = The Greatest, The Supreme Lord, Omnipresent; Svayambhu = self-created, self-existent. All have equal weight with God. Bogus Yogis are available here and there on the field, or by the river, meaning they are ubiquitous (hatemathe = Hatta = market, fair + Mathe =field). In modern parlance, they are dime a dozen. Atheists, Epicures, the unclean, the unwashed, and low-life scoundrels take the name of Yogis so much so that Uravasi, Menaka, and Rambha hide their beauty by taking on the forms of animals. In this Kaliyuga, the misfits, the nonconformists, the disconnected, and the unanchored wander around professing Yoga Marga and Arya Dharma. Veeraswamy Krishnaraj Looking for local information? Find it on Local 1 of 1 File(s) Teacher_&_Guru.pps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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