Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regarding trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons Souls Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 dear friend rao om namah shivay, soul does not belongs to humans only. it is present is everything in the universe. nothing increases or decreases in the universe. universe is complete. when some galaxies merge in blackhole same volume takes birth. the only difference is in the forms. if a soul leaves a plant it is not necessary that it takes rebirth as a plant it may be an animal, virus, human,etc. it may be that some kinds of population may increase and some decrease to experince the fruits of their sanchit karmas. om namah shivay--- In , dmm rao <dyfacons wrote: > > Ohm Namahshivaya > Dear Sirs, > I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? > D.M.M.RAO > > > ICC World Twenty20 England & #39;09 exclusively on ! CRICKET http://cricket. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993Re: Souls Cc: sapnag1968Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I have heard about 14 worlds. These are Atala, Vitala, Sutala,Talatala,Rasatala, Mahatala, Patala, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka,Suvarloka, Tapoloka,Mahaloka, Janarloka and Satyaloka.G.Balasubramanianmg garga <mggarga Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:19:26 AMRe: Souls HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: sapnag1968 Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Hariom Now Assaram ji can understand that trees are not only reasonfor increase the population The Atma can take birth from one world to another .God keeps the balance in all worlds by moving Atma from one world to another. Jai Gurudev mggarga--- On Wed, 7/15/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: Souls Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:08 AM I have heard about 14 worlds. These are Atala, Vitala, Sutala,Talatala,Rasatala, Mahatala, Patala, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka,Suvarlok a, Tapoloka,Mahaloka, Janarloka and Satyaloka.G.Balasubramanian mg garga <mggarga >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009 3:19:26 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: sapnag1968 Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 My intention was not only trees but there are others like Animals,insects and it is believed there are 84 lac Junis how many are in Sea water and we didn't event count those? However my intention was taht this is one cause and others could be many many many...... Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/14/09, mg garga <mggarga wrote: mg garga <mggargaRe: Souls Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 9:26 PM Hariom Now Assaram ji can understand that trees are not only reasonfor increase the population The Atma can take birth from one world to another .God keeps the balance in all worlds by moving Atma from one world to another. Jai Gurudev mggarga--- On Wed, 7/15/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:08 AM I have heard about 14 worlds. These are Atala, Vitala, Sutala,Talatala,Rasatala, Mahatala, Patala, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka,Suvarlok a, Tapoloka,Mahaloka, Janarloka and Satyaloka.G.Balasubramanian mg garga <mggarga >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009 3:19:26 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: sapnag1968 Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 But what I see all is in this world. If one goes in detail the meaning of the word he will get reply. As yet science is not reached at any creature like in this world? Shiv puran says that all Deseases are Devi Roop?How many agree on this version? I trust in this! Best Regards Assaram --- On Tue, 7/14/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: Souls Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:38 PM I have heard about 14 worlds. These are Atala, Vitala, Sutala,Talatala,Rasatala, Mahatala, Patala, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka,Suvarlok a, Tapoloka,Mahaloka, Janarloka and Satyaloka.G.Balasubramanian mg garga <mggarga >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009 3:19:26 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: sapnag1968 Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Atma is one only. Living beings are many. The same Atma is present in all beings. just as electricty is one but electrical equipment and gadgets are many, mud is the same but pots, potteries, crockeries etc. are many. G.Balasubramanian Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:00:55 AMRe: Souls My intention was not only trees but there are others like Animals,insects and it is believed there are 84 lac Junis how many are in Sea water and we didn't event count those? However my intention was taht this is one cause and others could be many many many...... Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/14/09, mg garga <mggarga > wrote: mg garga <mggarga >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009, 9:26 PM Hariom Now Assaram ji can understand that trees are not only reasonfor increase the population The Atma can take birth from one world to another .God keeps the balance in all worlds by moving Atma from one world to another. Jai Gurudev mggarga--- On Wed, 7/15/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:08 AM I have heard about 14 worlds. These are Atala, Vitala, Sutala,Talatala,Rasatala, Mahatala, Patala, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka,Suvarlok a, Tapoloka,Mahaloka, Janarloka and Satyaloka.G.Balasubramanian mg garga <mggarga >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009 3:19:26 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: sapnag1968 Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Respected Assaram ji, All creatures in the Universe are Devi Roop. In the process of Karma phala bhoga, 'Deseases' are the phala of jeevas. My understanding is Devi is Nama rahita, roopa rahita, Guna rahita. So is represented in Jeeva as 'Aatma'. so, the roopa is identified by body. It is the body that experiences desease and not Aatma. That means various Devi rupa are experiencing. This is how I look at it. MBPrasadaRao Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993om_namah_shivaya_aregroup Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:12:05 AMRe: Souls But what I see all is in this world. If one goes in detail the meaning of the word he will get reply. As yet science is not reached at any creature like in this world? Shiv puran says that all Deseases are Devi Roop?How many agree on this version? I trust in this! Best Regards Assaram --- On Tue, 7/14/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:38 PM I have heard about 14 worlds. These are Atala, Vitala, Sutala,Talatala,Rasatala, Mahatala, Patala, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka,Suvarlok a, Tapoloka,Mahaloka, Janarloka and Satyaloka.G.Balasubramanian mg garga <mggarga >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009 3:19:26 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: sapnag1968 Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 saivasiddhantha in Tamil envisage the image of the Athma as ya (a lamil alphabet). Ya it self looks shakthi. pl look at the image of ya in the attachment m.namasivayam--- On Wed, 15/7/09, prasadarao madhunapantula <prasadaraom wrote: prasadarao madhunapantula <prasadaraomRe: Souls Date: Wednesday, 15 July, 2009, 9:26 PM Respected Assaram ji, All creatures in the Universe are Devi Roop. In the process of Karma phala bhoga, 'Deseases' are the phala of jeevas. My understanding is Devi is Nama rahita, roopa rahita, Guna rahita. So is represented in Jeeva as 'Aatma'. so, the roopa is identified by body. It is the body that experiences desease and not Aatma. That means various Devi rupa are experiencing. This is how I look at it. MBPrasadaRao Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_aregroup Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:12:05 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls But what I see all is in this world. If one goes in detail the meaning of the word he will get reply. As yet science is not reached at any creature like in this world? Shiv puran says that all Deseases are Devi Roop?How many agree on this version? I trust in this! Best Regards Assaram --- On Tue, 7/14/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:38 PM I have heard about 14 worlds. These are Atala, Vitala, Sutala,Talatala,Rasatala, Mahatala, Patala, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka,Suvarlok a, Tapoloka,Mahaloka, Janarloka and Satyaloka.G.Balasubramanian mg garga <mggarga >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009 3:19:26 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: sapnag1968 Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. 1 of 1 Photo(s) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Atma looks like a single entity but really it is a compound accomodating all jeevas. picture attached m.namasivayam--- On Wed, 15/7/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: Souls Date: Wednesday, 15 July, 2009, 8:28 PM Atma is one only. Living beings are many. The same Atma is present in all beings. just as electricty is one but electrical equipment and gadgets are many, mud is the same but pots, potteries, crockeries etc. are many. G.Balasubramanian Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009 10:00:55 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls My intention was not only trees but there are others like Animals,insects and it is believed there are 84 lac Junis how many are in Sea water and we didn't event count those? However my intention was taht this is one cause and others could be many many many...... Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/14/09, mg garga <mggarga > wrote: mg garga <mggarga >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009, 9:26 PM Hariom Now Assaram ji can understand that trees are not only reasonfor increase the population The Atma can take birth from one world to another .God keeps the balance in all worlds by moving Atma from one world to another. Jai Gurudev mggarga--- On Wed, 7/15/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:08 AM I have heard about 14 worlds. These are Atala, Vitala, Sutala,Talatala,Rasatala, Mahatala, Patala, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka,Suvarlok a, Tapoloka,Mahaloka, Janarloka and Satyaloka.G.Balasubramanian mg garga <mggarga >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009 3:19:26 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: sapnag1968 Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. 1 of 1 Photo(s) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 This is true that Lord Shiva when take Sanklap to be several from one.If u will compare other in science that is atom which is mini part of any thing so when a women get pergnent that is too a mini part of a drop of siemen.I am an Electrical Engineer and have full idea of each gadget. The question was something that why human population is increasing which I replied that when Lord Shiva had Sanklap for be several which I believe was some limit in Lord mind with which all started and the first creation by Brahama Ji was Water than trees than Birds and so on the Atma which come out from the dying creation that has to enter in other body with thy karma phala so what is understood that those are becoming human bodies with the atma from other creations.Other creations are reducing and human are increasing but the no will remain same as was at the time of Sanklap. However this is "Pirbhu Leela" which is the final reply. Best Regards Assaram--- On Wed, 7/15/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: Souls Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 7:58 AM Atma is one only. Living beings are many. The same Atma is present in all beings. just as electricty is one but electrical equipment and gadgets are many, mud is the same but pots, potteries, crockeries etc. are many. G.Balasubramanian Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009 10:00:55 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls My intention was not only trees but there are others like Animals,insects and it is believed there are 84 lac Junis how many are in Sea water and we didn't event count those? However my intention was taht this is one cause and others could be many many many...... Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/14/09, mg garga <mggarga > wrote: mg garga <mggarga >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009, 9:26 PM Hariom Now Assaram ji can understand that trees are not only reasonfor increase the population The Atma can take birth from one world to another .God keeps the balance in all worlds by moving Atma from one world to another. Jai Gurudev mggarga--- On Wed, 7/15/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:08 AM I have heard about 14 worlds. These are Atala, Vitala, Sutala,Talatala,Rasatala, Mahatala, Patala, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka,Suvarlok a, Tapoloka,Mahaloka, Janarloka and Satyaloka.G.Balasubramanian mg garga <mggarga >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009 3:19:26 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: sapnag1968 Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Hari OM,Dear Gargaji,I am unable to comprehend as to what you mean by your statement," God keeps the balance in all the worlds by moving Atma from one world to another." Atma is the God principle. The scriptures declare that Atma is unmoving(achala) the Primeval God(Adideva), Birthless(Aja), Omnipresent(Vibhu) etc. etc. The Lord declares in the Gita, "I am the Self(Atma), seated in the heart of every being (Aham Atma gudakesa sarvabhutasayasthithaha.(verse20 of Chapter10). The eternal Jivatma in the human body is only a small part of My own Being (Mamaivamso jivaloke jivaboothas sanathanah(verse 7 of Chapter 15ibid). One can go on quoting from Upanishads to justify that Atma alone is all that exists( Atmaiva sarvam etc. etc.). Thus your statement that God moves Atma from one world to another is not in line with scriptural pronounciations. G.BalasubramanianAssaram Alamchandani <aac6993 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:00:55 AMRe: Souls My intention was not only trees but there are others like Animals,insects and it is believed there are 84 lac Junis how many are in Sea water and we didn't event count those? However my intention was taht this is one cause and others could be many many many...... Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/14/09, mg garga <mggarga > wrote: mg garga <mggarga >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009, 9:26 PM Hariom Now Assaram ji can understand that trees are not only reasonfor increase the population The Atma can take birth from one world to another .God keeps the balance in all worlds by moving Atma from one world to another. Jai Gurudev mggarga--- On Wed, 7/15/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:08 AM I have heard about 14 worlds. These are Atala, Vitala, Sutala,Talatala,Rasatala, Mahatala, Patala, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka,Suvarlok a, Tapoloka,Mahaloka, Janarloka and Satyaloka.G.Balasubramanian mg garga <mggarga >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009 3:19:26 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: sapnag1968 Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Dear Balasubramanian ji, Gargaji meant that jeevatma or the individualized atman which is strongly guided by ego will move from place to place to learn and mature to move into higher consciousness. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Thu, 7/16/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: Souls Cc: USBrahmins , viprasamhitha (AT) googl (DOT) comDate: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 5:46 PM Hari OM,Dear Gargaji,I am unable to comprehend as to what you mean by your statement," God keeps the balance in all the worlds by moving Atma from one world to another." Atma is the God principle. The scriptures declare that Atma is unmoving(achala) the Primeval God(Adideva), Birthless(Aja), Omnipresent(Vibhu) etc. etc. The Lord declares in the Gita, "I am the Self(Atma), seated in the heart of every being (Aham Atma gudakesa sarvabhutasayasthit haha.(verse20 of Chapter10). The eternal Jivatma in the human body is only a small part of My own Being (Mamaivamso jivaloke jivaboothas sanathanah(verse 7 of Chapter 15ibid). One can go on quoting from Upanishads to justify that Atma alone is all that exists( Atmaiva sarvam etc. etc.). Thus your statement that God moves Atma from one world to another is not in line with scriptural pronounciations. G.Balasubramanian Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009 10:00:55 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls My intention was not only trees but there are others like Animals,insects and it is believed there are 84 lac Junis how many are in Sea water and we didn't event count those? However my intention was taht this is one cause and others could be many many many...... Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/14/09, mg garga <mggarga > wrote: mg garga <mggarga >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009, 9:26 PM Hariom Now Assaram ji can understand that trees are not only reasonfor increase the population The Atma can take birth from one world to another .God keeps the balance in all worlds by moving Atma from one world to another. Jai Gurudev mggarga--- On Wed, 7/15/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:08 AM I have heard about 14 worlds. These are Atala, Vitala, Sutala,Talatala,Rasatala, Mahatala, Patala, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka,Suvarlok a, Tapoloka,Mahaloka, Janarloka and Satyaloka.G.Balasubramanian mg garga <mggarga >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009 3:19:26 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: sapnag1968 Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Dear Divakar,Thanks for your following the discussions. Your clarification puts the matter in right perspective. My intention in drawing the attention of members was to emphasize that ATMA is only one. but that 'jivas' could be many. The Rig Veda says," Ekoham Bahusyama'. The Supreme Being thought "I alone am there. Let me become many". That was the start of the creation process. Atma, which is the Supreme Being, can create any number of beings from itself and these can be located in any of the "lokas".G.BalasubramanianDivakara Tanjore <div_tan Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:04:25 PMRe: Souls Dear Balasubramanian ji, Gargaji meant that jeevatma or the individualized atman which is strongly guided by ego will move from place to place to learn and mature to move into higher consciousness. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Thu, 7/16/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: USBrahmins@gro ups.com, viprasamhitha@ googl. comThursday, July 16, 2009, 5:46 PM Hari OM,Dear Gargaji,I am unable to comprehend as to what you mean by your statement," God keeps the balance in all the worlds by moving Atma from one world to another." Atma is the God principle. The scriptures declare that Atma is unmoving(achala) the Primeval God(Adideva), Birthless(Aja), Omnipresent(Vibhu) etc. etc. The Lord declares in the Gita, "I am the Self(Atma), seated in the heart of every being (Aham Atma gudakesa sarvabhutasayasthit haha.(verse20 of Chapter10). The eternal Jivatma in the human body is only a small part of My own Being (Mamaivamso jivaloke jivaboothas sanathanah(verse 7 of Chapter 15ibid). One can go on quoting from Upanishads to justify that Atma alone is all that exists( Atmaiva sarvam etc. etc.). Thus your statement that God moves Atma from one world to another is not in line with scriptural pronounciations. G.Balasubramanian Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009 10:00:55 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls My intention was not only trees but there are others like Animals,insects and it is believed there are 84 lac Junis how many are in Sea water and we didn't event count those? However my intention was taht this is one cause and others could be many many many...... Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/14/09, mg garga <mggarga > wrote: mg garga <mggarga >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009, 9:26 PM Hariom Now Assaram ji can understand that trees are not only reasonfor increase the population The Atma can take birth from one world to another .God keeps the balance in all worlds by moving Atma from one world to another. Jai Gurudev mggarga--- On Wed, 7/15/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:08 AM I have heard about 14 worlds. These are Atala, Vitala, Sutala,Talatala,Rasatala, Mahatala, Patala, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka,Suvarlok a, Tapoloka,Mahaloka, Janarloka and Satyaloka.G.Balasubramanian mg garga <mggarga >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009 3:19:26 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: sapnag1968 Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 I feel there is confusion Atma/Jeevatma is same while God /Paramtma is same by Atma i meant jeevAtma & not GOD or PARAMATAM. mggarga--- On Fri, 7/17/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: Souls Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 5:54 PM Dear Divakar,Thanks for your following the discussions. Your clarification puts the matter in right perspective. My intention in drawing the attention of members was to emphasize that ATMA is only one. but that 'jivas' could be many. The Rig Veda says," Ekoham Bahusyama'. The Supreme Being thought "I alone am there. Let me become many". That was the start of the creation process. Atma, which is the Supreme Being, can create any number of beings from itself and these can be located in any of the "lokas".G.Balasubramanian Divakara Tanjore <div_tan >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 16, 2009 10:04:25 PMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls Dear Balasubramanian ji, Gargaji meant that jeevatma or the individualized atman which is strongly guided by ego will move from place to place to learn and mature to move into higher consciousness. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Thu, 7/16/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: USBrahmins@gro ups.com, viprasamhitha@ googl. comThursday, July 16, 2009, 5:46 PM Hari OM,Dear Gargaji,I am unable to comprehend as to what you mean by your statement," God keeps the balance in all the worlds by moving Atma from one world to another." Atma is the God principle. The scriptures declare that Atma is unmoving(achala) the Primeval God(Adideva), Birthless(Aja), Omnipresent(Vibhu) etc. etc. The Lord declares in the Gita, "I am the Self(Atma), seated in the heart of every being (Aham Atma gudakesa sarvabhutasayasthit haha.(verse20 of Chapter10). The eternal Jivatma in the human body is only a small part of My own Being (Mamaivamso jivaloke jivaboothas sanathanah(verse 7 of Chapter 15ibid). One can go on quoting from Upanishads to justify that Atma alone is all that exists( Atmaiva sarvam etc. etc.). Thus your statement that God moves Atma from one world to another is not in line with scriptural pronounciations. G.Balasubramanian Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009 10:00:55 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls My intention was not only trees but there are others like Animals,insects and it is believed there are 84 lac Junis how many are in Sea water and we didn't event count those? However my intention was taht this is one cause and others could be many many many...... Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/14/09, mg garga <mggarga > wrote: mg garga <mggarga >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009, 9:26 PM Hariom Now Assaram ji can understand that trees are not only reasonfor increase the population The Atma can take birth from one world to another .God keeps the balance in all worlds by moving Atma from one world to another. Jai Gurudev mggarga--- On Wed, 7/15/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:08 AM I have heard about 14 worlds. These are Atala, Vitala, Sutala,Talatala,Rasatala, Mahatala, Patala, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka,Suvarlok a, Tapoloka,Mahaloka, Janarloka and Satyaloka.G.Balasubramanian mg garga <mggarga >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009 3:19:26 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: sapnag1968 Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 According to the Vedas(Upanishads) and the Advaita school of thought, Paramatma, Atma and Jivatma are one and the same. What is termed as 'God' in English language is more or less equivalent to Brahman, Atman, Isvara in Vedanta and to Bhagawan etc. in Hindu religion. That Paramatma (Atma) and Jivatma are different is the message of Dwaita school of thought.G.Balasubramanianmg garga <mggarga Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:32:45 AMRe: Souls I feel there is confusion Atma/Jeevatma is same while God /Paramtma is same by Atma i meant jeevAtma & not GOD or PARAMATAM. mggarga--- On Fri, 7/17/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, July 17, 2009, 5:54 PM Dear Divakar,Thanks for your following the discussions. Your clarification puts the matter in right perspective. My intention in drawing the attention of members was to emphasize that ATMA is only one. but that 'jivas' could be many. The Rig Veda says," Ekoham Bahusyama'. The Supreme Being thought "I alone am there. Let me become many". That was the start of the creation process. Atma, which is the Supreme Being, can create any number of beings from itself and these can be located in any of the "lokas".G.Balasubramanian Divakara Tanjore <div_tan >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 16, 2009 10:04:25 PMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls Dear Balasubramanian ji, Gargaji meant that jeevatma or the individualized atman which is strongly guided by ego will move from place to place to learn and mature to move into higher consciousness. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Thu, 7/16/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: USBrahmins@gro ups.com, viprasamhitha@ googl. comThursday, July 16, 2009, 5:46 PM Hari OM,Dear Gargaji,I am unable to comprehend as to what you mean by your statement," God keeps the balance in all the worlds by moving Atma from one world to another." Atma is the God principle. The scriptures declare that Atma is unmoving(achala) the Primeval God(Adideva), Birthless(Aja), Omnipresent(Vibhu) etc. etc. The Lord declares in the Gita, "I am the Self(Atma), seated in the heart of every being (Aham Atma gudakesa sarvabhutasayasthit haha.(verse20 of Chapter10). The eternal Jivatma in the human body is only a small part of My own Being (Mamaivamso jivaloke jivaboothas sanathanah(verse 7 of Chapter 15ibid). One can go on quoting from Upanishads to justify that Atma alone is all that exists( Atmaiva sarvam etc. etc.). Thus your statement that God moves Atma from one world to another is not in line with scriptural pronounciations. G.Balasubramanian Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009 10:00:55 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls My intention was not only trees but there are others like Animals,insects and it is believed there are 84 lac Junis how many are in Sea water and we didn't event count those? However my intention was taht this is one cause and others could be many many many...... Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/14/09, mg garga <mggarga > wrote: mg garga <mggarga >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009, 9:26 PM Hariom Now Assaram ji can understand that trees are not only reasonfor increase the population The Atma can take birth from one world to another .God keeps the balance in all worlds by moving Atma from one world to another. Jai Gurudev mggarga--- On Wed, 7/15/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:08 AM I have heard about 14 worlds. These are Atala, Vitala, Sutala,Talatala,Rasatala, Mahatala, Patala, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka,Suvarlok a, Tapoloka,Mahaloka, Janarloka and Satyaloka.G.Balasubramanian mg garga <mggarga >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009 3:19:26 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: sapnag1968 Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Exactly they are all same, the use of the words Atma and Jeevatma depends on the context and commonly people interchange it but the meaning reamains same, neither Jeevatma nor Atma gets destroyed, Jeevatma merges with paramatma when it finishes its purpose of learning or guiding. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Sat, 7/18/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: Souls Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 6:42 AM According to the Vedas(Upanishads) and the Advaita school of thought, Paramatma, Atma and Jivatma are one and the same. What is termed as 'God' in English language is more or less equivalent to Brahman, Atman, Isvara in Vedanta and to Bhagawan etc. in Hindu religion. That Paramatma (Atma) and Jivatma are different is the message of Dwaita school of thought.G.Balasubramanian mg garga <mggarga >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSaturday, July 18, 2009 12:32:45 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls I feel there is confusion Atma/Jeevatma is same while God /Paramtma is same by Atma i meant jeevAtma & not GOD or PARAMATAM. mggarga--- On Fri, 7/17/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, July 17, 2009, 5:54 PM Dear Divakar,Thanks for your following the discussions. Your clarification puts the matter in right perspective. My intention in drawing the attention of members was to emphasize that ATMA is only one. but that 'jivas' could be many. The Rig Veda says," Ekoham Bahusyama'. The Supreme Being thought "I alone am there. Let me become many". That was the start of the creation process. Atma, which is the Supreme Being, can create any number of beings from itself and these can be located in any of the "lokas".G.Balasubramanian Divakara Tanjore <div_tan >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 16, 2009 10:04:25 PMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls Dear Balasubramanian ji, Gargaji meant that jeevatma or the individualized atman which is strongly guided by ego will move from place to place to learn and mature to move into higher consciousness. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Thu, 7/16/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: USBrahmins@gro ups.com, viprasamhitha@ googl. comThursday, July 16, 2009, 5:46 PM Hari OM,Dear Gargaji,I am unable to comprehend as to what you mean by your statement," God keeps the balance in all the worlds by moving Atma from one world to another." Atma is the God principle. The scriptures declare that Atma is unmoving(achala) the Primeval God(Adideva), Birthless(Aja), Omnipresent(Vibhu) etc. etc. The Lord declares in the Gita, "I am the Self(Atma), seated in the heart of every being (Aham Atma gudakesa sarvabhutasayasthit haha.(verse20 of Chapter10). The eternal Jivatma in the human body is only a small part of My own Being (Mamaivamso jivaloke jivaboothas sanathanah(verse 7 of Chapter 15ibid). One can go on quoting from Upanishads to justify that Atma alone is all that exists( Atmaiva sarvam etc. etc.). Thus your statement that God moves Atma from one world to another is not in line with scriptural pronounciations. G.Balasubramanian Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009 10:00:55 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls My intention was not only trees but there are others like Animals,insects and it is believed there are 84 lac Junis how many are in Sea water and we didn't event count those? However my intention was taht this is one cause and others could be many many many...... Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 7/14/09, mg garga <mggarga > wrote: mg garga <mggarga >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009, 9:26 PM Hariom Now Assaram ji can understand that trees are not only reasonfor increase the population The Atma can take birth from one world to another .God keeps the balance in all worlds by moving Atma from one world to another. Jai Gurudev mggarga--- On Wed, 7/15/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:08 AM I have heard about 14 worlds. These are Atala, Vitala, Sutala,Talatala,Rasatala, Mahatala, Patala, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka,Suvarlok a, Tapoloka,Mahaloka, Janarloka and Satyaloka.G.Balasubramanian mg garga <mggarga >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 14, 2009 3:19:26 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Souls HariOm will anybody kindly intimate how many worlds are there or this is only one where we live.? mggarga--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 > wrote: Assaram Alamchandani <aac6993 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: sapnag1968 Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:30 PM What I have studied that all creation have Atma may it be a tree even.If you will examine that trees/forest are reducing and human population is increasing.Regardin g trees I can remind you when Bal Krishan was tide up by Mata Yashoda he tried t pass through 2 twin trees where the tiding "Ukhli" was stuck up between twin trees and with Krishna force the trees fail down and two persons appeared which got "Mokhshey" out of tree Joon.May be it researched but what I have been seeing the areas where huge forest was existing and now it is plain land. When Lord Shiva had Sanklap for from to more (Ek se Anek hone ka snklap lia) than he directed his own other shape Barhma for creation and his first creation as mentioned in Shiva Puran was Water and after Trees and than Birds and so on. Trees are reducing and humans are increasing. This is a scientific based proof. Best Regards Assaram--- On Tue, 6/30/09, dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Soulsom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:04 AM Ohm Namahshivaya Dear Sirs, I have a doubt that the population is increasing day by day. When compared to some thousand years back the population has increased leaps and bounds. In that case how the new souls have entered into the number of bodies and from where these souls have come? D.M.M.RAO Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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