Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Radhe Krishna To all,1. What is fate? 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? Let me explain, as per the karma theory that "All Actions have corresponding Reactions." It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits – whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law – may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE.Then you may question1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results?2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer?To this, we have to explain the "Karma and Fate" theory further in the modern scenario. for example. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have "No control over the results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions". Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. Now we have to look into the last question: "Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)?" The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law "As we sow, so we reap". Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called "PRAARABHDHA KARMA". Whatever actions we are at present doing are called "SANJEETHA KARMA". Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called "AAGAAMYA KARMA". In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to "Prarabhdha", whatever colour we are at present pushing into are "Sanjeetha†and whatever we will be pushing later are called "Aagaamya". Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However, in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha); have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA". Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. RegardsLet’s Chant Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare HareThe best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. Pl Visit www.namadwaar.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Fate is dependent on two things one the past lives "Karma" and other the running "Karma".Fat is all dependent if one believe and find out the "Kundlis" two "Kundlis" one "LGANA" AND OTHER "CHANDER" .One can change Fat with "SHIV & SHAKTI" puja that change the "Fat"I have experienced that! Best Regards Assaram--- On Mon, 6/1/09, ravishankar_g <ravishankar_g wrote: ravishankar_g <ravishankar_g What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 5:48 PM Radhe Krishna To all,1. What is fate? 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? Let me explain, as per the karma theory that "All Actions have corresponding Reactions." It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits – whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law – may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE.Then you may question1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results?2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer?To this, we have to explain the "Karma and Fate" theory further in the modern scenario. for example. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have "No control over the results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions". Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. Now we have to look into the last question: "Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)?" The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law "As we sow, so we reap". Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called "PRAARABHDHA KARMA". Whatever actions we are at present doing are called "SANJEETHA KARMA". Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called "AAGAAMYA KARMA". In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to "Prarabhdha" , whatever colour we are at present pushing into are "Sanjeetha†and whatever we will be pushing later are called "Aagaamya". Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However, in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha) ; have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA" . Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. RegardsLet’s Chant Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare HareThe best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. Pl Visit www.namadwaar. org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Dear Sir, You have not connected the theory of fate with destiny. Where the destiny stands in the theory of Fate & Karma. When we have no control over past actions why should we be punished in this life instead of past life. If the past actions control our future then where is the chance to correct the future course of action inspite of your good intentions and wisdom. We are seeing people doing lot of good work but they are not getting the desired results. some people are getting good results with least effort and others are not getting even with good intentions and more wisdom. I want to know what is the role of Universal Laws and destiny here. How universal laws are controlling and identifying our past life's actions? What is the stage for such identification. Whether Universal Laws have emotions to punish or reward? D.M.M.RAO--- On Tue, 2/6/09, ravishankar_g <ravishankar_g wrote: ravishankar_g <ravishankar_g What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam Date: Tuesday, 2 June, 2009, 6:18 AM Radhe Krishna To all,1. What is fate? 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? Let me explain, as per the karma theory that "All Actions have corresponding Reactions." It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits – whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law – may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE.Then you may question1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results?2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer?To this, we have to explain the "Karma and Fate" theory further in the modern scenario. for example.. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have "No control over the results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions". Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. Now we have to look into the last question: "Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)?" The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law "As we sow, so we reap". Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called "PRAARABHDHA KARMA". Whatever actions we are at present doing are called "SANJEETHA KARMA". Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called "AAGAAMYA KARMA". In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to "Prarabhdha" , whatever colour we are at present pushing into are "Sanjeetha†and whatever we will be pushing later are called "Aagaamya". Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However, in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha) ; have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA" . Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. RegardsLet’s Chant Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare HareThe best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. Pl Visit www.namadwaar. org Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Hariom fate is converted form of Karmas one sit before the plate of food & thinks that in case eating is in my fate it will go in my mouth no he has to do karm by taking a piece of food keep it in mouth chew it etc then he can eat.By karma one can change his fate also. a person devotee of Hanumanji for 14 years requested Hanumanji to give him ashirvad so that he earn money through lottery. After 14 years Hanumanjicame & beaten him with Gada saying that purchase Ticket or that also I have to purchse & give to you. from it is clear that karma over rides fate but you have to bear the fruits of your Karma good or bad. mggarga--- On Tue, 6/2/09, ravishankar_g <ravishankar_g wrote: ravishankar_g <ravishankar_g What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 6:18 AM Radhe Krishna To all,1. What is fate? 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? Let me explain, as per the karma theory that "All Actions have corresponding Reactions." It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits – whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law – may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE.Then you may question1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results?2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer?To this, we have to explain the "Karma and Fate" theory further in the modern scenario. for example. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have "No control over the results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions". Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. Now we have to look into the last question: "Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)?" The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law "As we sow, so we reap". Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called "PRAARABHDHA KARMA". Whatever actions we are at present doing are called "SANJEETHA KARMA". Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called "AAGAAMYA KARMA". In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to "Prarabhdha" , whatever colour we are at present pushing into are "Sanjeetha†and whatever we will be pushing later are called "Aagaamya". Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However, in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha) ; have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA" . Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. RegardsLet’s Chant Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare HareThe best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. Pl Visit www.namadwaar. org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 I have earlier sent too the same that "Prayers with Karma" is very fruitfull I am of the same fat getting but all was through karma.Geeta teach us all "Karma" but wait for the reward one will get that but when??? no body knows.What I have found here that some discussions are some time just waste of time discussions should be to the point. Assaram--- On Tue, 6/2/09, mg garga <mggarga wrote: mg garga <mggargaRe: What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 7:13 AM Hariom fate is converted form of Karmas one sit before the plate of food & thinks that in case eating is in my fate it will go in my mouth no he has to do karm by taking a piece of food keep it in mouth chew it etc then he can eat.By karma one can change his fate also. a person devotee of Hanumanji for 14 years requested Hanumanji to give him ashirvad so that he earn money through lottery. After 14 years Hanumanjicame & beaten him with Gada saying that purchase Ticket or that also I have to purchse & give to you. from it is clear that karma over rides fate but you have to bear the fruits of your Karma good or bad. mggarga--- On Tue, 6/2/09, ravishankar_ g <ravishankar_ g wrote: ravishankar_ g <ravishankar_ g[om_namah_shivaya_ group] What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalamom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 2, 2009, 6:18 AM Radhe Krishna To all,1. What is fate? 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? Let me explain, as per the karma theory that "All Actions have corresponding Reactions." It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits – whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law – may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE.Then you may question1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results?2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer?To this, we have to explain the "Karma and Fate" theory further in the modern scenario. for example. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have "No control over the results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions". Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. Now we have to look into the last question: "Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)?" The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law "As we sow, so we reap". Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called "PRAARABHDHA KARMA". Whatever actions we are at present doing are called "SANJEETHA KARMA". Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called "AAGAAMYA KARMA". In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to "Prarabhdha" , whatever colour we are at present pushing into are "Sanjeetha†and whatever we will be pushing later are called "Aagaamya". Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However, in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha) ; have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA" . Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. RegardsLet’s Chant Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare HareThe best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. Pl Visit www.namadwaar. org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Dear Ravishankar Ji Aum Namah Shivaaya You have written a very good simile to explain the Fate and the Free Will. I want to expand it further your statement of limitation [[[However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However, > in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results..]]]] That this limitation is not only limitation but is full control, we cannot cross it in any way, we are bound to God's will - thus we are in full control of God. Unless HE wants us to do anything good, we cannot do it, because our mind will not work in that directon. That is my own idea. Many times I want to do something, but in spite of my utmost efforts, I am unable to do it. Why? Perhaps GOd doesn't want me to do that thing; and sometimes good things happen without my planning. I am sorry if I am hurting your theory. Regards Sushma , ravishankar_g wrote: > > Radhe Krishna To all, > > 1. What is fate? > > 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? > > 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? > Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? > > Let me explain, as per the karma theory that " All Actions have corresponding Reactions. " It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits †" whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. > > It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law †" may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). > > These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE. > > Then you may question > > 1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results? > > 2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer? > > To this, we have to explain the " Karma and Fate " theory further in the modern scenario. for example. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have " No control over the > results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions " . Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. > > Now we have to look into the last question: " Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)? " > > The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law " As we sow, so we reap " . Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. > > Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called " PRAARABHDHA KARMA " . Whatever actions we are at present doing are called " SANJEETHA KARMA " . Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called " AAGAAMYA KARMA " . In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to " Prarabhdha " , whatever colour we are at present pushing into are " Sanjeetha†and whatever we will be pushing later are called " Aagaamya " . > > Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However, > in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. > > Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha); have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. > > And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA " . Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. > > Regards > > Let’s Chant > Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare > > The best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. > > Pl Visit www.namadwaar.org  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Dear MS Garga Ji Aum Namah Shivaaya I belive in Fate or Destiny. I am sorry I do not know the difference between Fate and Destiny, that is why I have used both the words. If somebody will explain the difference between them, I will use them accordingly in future. So, as I belive in Fate or Destiny, I do not believe in your following story. There is no need for Hanuman Ji to come to him and beat him with his Gadaa. He is such a powerful god that he can give him the lottery ticket without appearing before him - he can ask somebody to give the ticket to him, he can make that man find the ticket on the road unattended, or anything. If and only if that man has the money in his Fate of Destiny, he will get anyhow - he need not to do any effort. God is there to give him, who is he to refuse it? With regrds Sushma , mg garga <mggarga wrote: > > Hariom > fate is converted form of Karmas > one sit before the plate of food & thinks that in case eating is in my fate it will go in my mouth no he has to do karm by taking a piece of food keep it in mouth chew it etc then he can eat.By karma one can change his fate also. > a person devotee of Hanumanji for 14 years requested Hanumanji to give him ashirvad so that he earn money through lottery. > After 14 years Hanumanjicame & beaten him with Gada saying that purchase Ticket or that also I have to purchse & give to you. > from it is clear that karma over rides fate but you have to bear the fruits of your Karma good or bad. > mggarga > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, ravishankar_g <ravishankar_g wrote: > > > ravishankar_g <ravishankar_g > What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 6:18 AM > > > > > > Radhe Krishna To all, > > 1. What is fate? > > 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? > > 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? > Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? > > Let me explain, as per the karma theory that " All Actions have corresponding Reactions. " It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits †" whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. > > It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law †" may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). > > These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE. > > Then you may question > > 1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results? > > 2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer? > > To this, we have to explain the " Karma and Fate " theory further in the modern scenario. for example. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have " No control over the > results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions " . Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. > > Now we have to look into the last question: " Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)? " > > The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law " As we sow, so we reap " . Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. > > Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called " PRAARABHDHA KARMA " . Whatever actions we are at present doing are called " SANJEETHA KARMA " . Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called " AAGAAMYA KARMA " . In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to " Prarabhdha " , whatever colour we are at present pushing into are " Sanjeetha†and whatever we will be pushing later are called " Aagaamya " . > > Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However, > in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. > > Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha) ; have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. > > And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA " . Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. > > Regards > > Let’s Chant > Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare > > The best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. > > Pl Visit www.namadwaar. org  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 If you have read my last message than please see that it is true that any "Jap"MANTRA is rewarding but don't think that it will be very soon may be in next berth.No body seen when "Hanumanji" came and punished with Gadda.This what I see that some what to get fear for readers. I request to avoid sending such messages. Regards Assaram--- On Wed, 6/3/09, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee Re: What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 5:05 PM Dear MS Garga JiAum Namah ShivaayaI belive in Fate or Destiny. I am sorry I do not know the difference between Fate and Destiny, that is why I have used both the words. If somebody will explain the difference between them, I will use them accordingly in future.So, as I belive in Fate or Destiny, I do not believe in your following story. There is no need for Hanuman Ji to come to him and beat him with his Gadaa. He is such a powerful god that he can give him the lottery ticket without appearing before him - he can ask somebody to give the ticket to him, he can make that man find the ticket on the road unattended, or anything. If and only if that man has the money in his Fate of Destiny, he will get anyhow - he need not to do any effort. God is there to give him, who is he to refuse it?With regrdsSushmaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, mg garga <mggarga > wrote:>> Hariom> fate is converted form of Karmas> one sit before the plate of food & thinks that in case eating is in my fate it will go in my mouth no he has to do karm by taking a piece of food keep it in mouth chew it etc then he can eat.By karma one can change his fate also.> a person devotee of Hanumanji for 14 years requested Hanumanji to give him ashirvad so that he earn money through lottery.> After 14 years Hanumanjicame & beaten him with Gada saying that purchase Ticket or that also I have to purchse & give to you.> from it is clear that karma over rides fate but you have to bear the fruits of your Karma good or bad.> mggarga> > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, ravishankar_ g <ravishankar_ g wrote:> > > ravishankar_ g <ravishankar_ g> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 6:18 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > Radhe Krishna To all,> > 1. What is fate? > > 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? > > 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? > Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? > > Let me explain, as per the karma theory that "All Actions have corresponding Reactions." It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits â€" whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. > > It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law â€" may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). > > These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE.> > Then you may question> > 1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results?> > 2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer?> > To this, we have to explain the "Karma and Fate" theory further in the modern scenario. for example. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have "No control over the> results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions". Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. > > Now we have to look into the last question: "Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)?" > > The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law "As we sow, so we reap". Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. > > Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called "PRAARABHDHA KARMA". Whatever actions we are at present doing are called "SANJEETHA KARMA". Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called "AAGAAMYA KARMA". In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to "Prarabhdha" , whatever colour we are at present pushing into are "Sanjeethaâ€� and whatever we will be pushing later are called "Aagaamya". > > Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However,> in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. > > Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha) ; have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. > > And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA" . Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. > > Regards> > Let’s Chant > Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare> > The best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. > > Pl Visit www.namadwaar. org  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Manushya janam is for doing karam.if one does not do karam he is living in pashu yoni,which is bhogya yoni.God want that you do karam so taht phal of that karam can be given.Hanumanji thaught him to do karam ,He didnot want one to remain alsi.this message he gave to him that do karam for purchasing ticket & then reward will be given according to that karam ie with what intention that karam is done. Fate is result of karama good or bad .in case he was given ticket/money even than it was not usefull to him unless he uses these thing by doing karma.he cant eat money he has to do karama. om nama shivai/hariom mggarga destiny is the result of fate +karma ie net result /phal. , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee wrote: > > Dear MS Garga Ji > Aum Namah Shivaaya > > I belive in Fate or Destiny. I am sorry I do not know the difference between Fate and Destiny, that is why I have used both the words. If somebody will explain the difference between them, I will use them accordingly in future. > > So, as I belive in Fate or Destiny, I do not believe in your following story. There is no need for Hanuman Ji to come to him and beat him with his Gadaa. He is such a powerful god that he can give him the lottery ticket without appearing before him - he can ask somebody to give the ticket to him, he can make that man find the ticket on the road unattended, or anything. > > If and only if that man has the money in his Fate of Destiny, he will get anyhow - he need not to do any effort. God is there to give him, who is he to refuse it? > With regrds > Sushma > > > , mg garga <mggarga@> wrote: > > > > Hariom > > fate is converted form of Karmas > > one sit before the plate of food & thinks that in case eating is in my fate it will go in my mouth no he has to do karm by taking a piece of food keep it in mouth chew it etc then he can eat.By karma one can change his fate also. > > a person devotee of Hanumanji for 14 years requested Hanumanji to give him ashirvad so that he earn money through lottery. > > After 14 years Hanumanjicame & beaten him with Gada saying that purchase Ticket or that also I have to purchse & give to you. > > from it is clear that karma over rides fate but you have to bear the fruits of your Karma good or bad. > > mggarga > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, ravishankar_g@ <ravishankar_g@> wrote: > > > > > > ravishankar_g@ <ravishankar_g@> > > What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 6:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Radhe Krishna To all, > > > > 1. What is fate? > > > > 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? > > > > 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? > > Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? > > > > Let me explain, as per the karma theory that " All Actions have corresponding Reactions. " It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits †" whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. > > > > It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law †" may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). > > > > These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE. > > > > Then you may question > > > > 1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results? > > > > 2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer? > > > > To this, we have to explain the " Karma and Fate " theory further in the modern scenario. for example. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have " No control over the > > results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions " . Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. > > > > Now we have to look into the last question: " Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)? " > > > > The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law " As we sow, so we reap " . Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. > > > > Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called " PRAARABHDHA KARMA " . Whatever actions we are at present doing are called " SANJEETHA KARMA " . Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called " AAGAAMYA KARMA " . In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to " Prarabhdha " , whatever colour we are at present pushing into are " Sanjeetha†and whatever we will be pushing later are called " Aagaamya " . > > > > Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However, > > in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. > > > > Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha) ; have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. > > > > And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA " . Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. > > > > Regards > > > > Let’s Chant > > Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare > > > > The best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. > > > > Pl Visit www.namadwaar. org  > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 God does not control .our vichar which are of three type cotrol us,satvik,rajsik,tamsik.we get these vichars from food,clothes,colours,etc.jaisa ann vaisa mann/vichar.God has given us full liberty to do karam but the phal is given by Him. mggarga--- On Thu, 6/4/09, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee Re: What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 5:22 AM Dear Ravishankar JiAum Namah ShivaayaYou have written a very good simile to explain the Fate and the Free Will.I want to expand it further your statement of limitation [[[However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However,> in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results..]]] ]That this limitation is not only limitation but is full control, we cannot cross it in any way, we are bound to God's will - thus we are in full control of God. Unless HE wants us to do anything good, we cannot do it, because our mind will not work in that directon.That is my own idea. Many times I want to do something, but in spite of my utmost efforts, I am unable to do it. Why? Perhaps GOd doesn't want me to do that thing; and sometimes good things happen without my planning.I am sorry if I am hurting your theory.RegardsSushmaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, ravishankar_ g wrote:>> Radhe Krishna To all,> > 1. What is fate? > > 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? > > 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? > Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? > > Let me explain, as per the karma theory that "All Actions have corresponding Reactions." It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits â€" whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. > > It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law â€" may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). > > These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE.> > Then you may question> > 1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results?> > 2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer?> > To this, we have to explain the "Karma and Fate" theory further in the modern scenario. for example. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have "No control over the> results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions". Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. > > Now we have to look into the last question: "Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)?" > > The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law "As we sow, so we reap". Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. > > Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called "PRAARABHDHA KARMA". Whatever actions we are at present doing are called "SANJEETHA KARMA". Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called "AAGAAMYA KARMA". In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to "Prarabhdha" , whatever colour we are at present pushing into are "Sanjeethaâ€� and whatever we will be pushing later are called "Aagaamya". > > Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However,> in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. > > Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha) ; have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. > > And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA" . Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. > > Regards> > Let’s Chant > Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare> > The best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. > > Pl Visit www.namadwaar. org  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Radhe Krishna, 1. There is no wrong or right in what ever we have understood in this subject, only our own experience will help realize the true fact. However the ultimate knowledge is that "All happening are as per his will" we do not have any choice in this. We are all product of divine will and hence there is actually no Karma bound on us since doer and doing does nor exist in that plane. 2. If we can contemplate deeply about the human form that we posses today itself is evident to say that it is not a matter of choice but it is his grace and therefore effort has no place here. 3. Talking from human perspective since not realized and experience, the law of karma operates due to our desire. Every action we do is based on our thought and subsequently a desire arises out of the thought. This thought multiplies to get the action committed and hence this is how we chain our self to an endless desire, thought and action cycle to build our Karmas. Karma produces its fruits as pain or pleasure for which we will have to take births after births to reap the fruits of our Karma which by nature is the Law of Karma. As we continue to build our karma, the life experiences helps us understand the mysterious problem of good and evil in this world and slowly helps the soul to evolve / mature in many births to seek the ultimate truth or the divine knowledge. Only then we can understand what Lord Krishna said in the Gita: "Work incessantly. Your duty is to work but not to expect the fruits" which is non-attachment to work. As the soul matures with his grace, we start to understand the burden of life in the correct perspective and thereby gain strength of Mind and the same grace will bless us to understand and live as per the law of our scriptures to finally drive our destiny to that state of Super consciousness and become one with THAT. In that state Karma no longer operates on us. 4. I would like to conclude in quoting Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi answer to the question posed by one of his devotees. Question: Of the devotees, who is the greatest? Sri.Ramana Maharshi: He who gives himself up to the Self that is God is the most excellent devotee. Giving one's self up to God means remaining constantly in the Self without giving room for the rise of any thoughts other than that of the Self. Whatever burdens are thrown on God, He bears them. Since the supreme power of God makes all things move, why should we, without submitting ourselves to it, constantly worry ourselves with thoughts as to what should be done and how, and what should not be done and how not? We know that the train carries all loads, so after getting on it why should we carry our small luggage on our head to our discomfort, instead of putting it down in the train and feeling at ease? Radhe Krishna--- On Thu, 6/4/09, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote:bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee Re: What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 5:22 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Dear MS Garga Ji Aum Namah Shivaaya Thanks. Regards Sushma , " mggarga " <mggarga wrote: > > Manushya janam is for doing karam.if one does not do karam he is living in pashu yoni,which is bhogya yoni.God want that you do karam so taht phal of that karam can be given.Hanumanji thaught him to do karam ,He didnot want one to remain alsi.this message he gave to him that do karam for purchasing ticket & then reward will be given according to that karam ie with what intention that karam is done. > Fate is result of karama good or bad .in case he was given ticket/money even than it was not usefull to him unless he uses these thing by doing karma.he cant eat money he has to do karama. > om nama shivai/hariom > mggarga > destiny is the result of fate +karma ie net result /phal. > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > Dear MS Garga Ji > > Aum Namah Shivaaya > > > > I belive in Fate or Destiny. I am sorry I do not know the difference between Fate and Destiny, that is why I have used both the words. If somebody will explain the difference between them, I will use them accordingly in future. > > > > So, as I belive in Fate or Destiny, I do not believe in your following story. There is no need for Hanuman Ji to come to him and beat him with his Gadaa. He is such a powerful god that he can give him the lottery ticket without appearing before him - he can ask somebody to give the ticket to him, he can make that man find the ticket on the road unattended, or anything. > > > > If and only if that man has the money in his Fate of Destiny, he will get anyhow - he need not to do any effort. God is there to give him, who is he to refuse it? > > With regrds > > Sushma > > > > > > , mg garga <mggarga@> wrote: > > > > > > Hariom > > > fate is converted form of Karmas > > > one sit before the plate of food & thinks that in case eating is in my fate it will go in my mouth no he has to do karm by taking a piece of food keep it in mouth chew it etc then he can eat.By karma one can change his fate also. > > > a person devotee of Hanumanji for 14 years requested Hanumanji to give him ashirvad so that he earn money through lottery. > > > After 14 years Hanumanjicame & beaten him with Gada saying that purchase Ticket or that also I have to purchse & give to you. > > > from it is clear that karma over rides fate but you have to bear the fruits of your Karma good or bad. > > > mggarga > > > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, ravishankar_g@ <ravishankar_g@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ravishankar_g@ <ravishankar_g@> > > > What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam > > > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 6:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Radhe Krishna To all, > > > > > > 1. What is fate? > > > > > > 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? > > > > > > 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? > > > Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? > > > > > > Let me explain, as per the karma theory that " All Actions have corresponding Reactions. " It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits †" whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. > > > > > > It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law †" may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). > > > > > > These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE. > > > > > > Then you may question > > > > > > 1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results? > > > > > > 2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer? > > > > > > To this, we have to explain the " Karma and Fate " theory further in the modern scenario. for example. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have " No control over the > > > results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions " . Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. > > > > > > Now we have to look into the last question: " Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)? " > > > > > > The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law " As we sow, so we reap " . Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. > > > > > > Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called " PRAARABHDHA KARMA " . Whatever actions we are at present doing are called " SANJEETHA KARMA " . Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called " AAGAAMYA KARMA " . In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to " Prarabhdha " , whatever colour we are at present pushing into are " Sanjeetha†and whatever we will be pushing later are called " Aagaamya " . > > > > > > Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However, > > > in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. > > > > > > Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha) ; have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. > > > > > > And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA " . Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Let’s Chant > > > Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > > > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare > > > > > > The best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. > > > > > > Pl Visit www.namadwaar. org  > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Dear Garga Ji Aum Namah Shivaaya If Vichaar had been controlled by food, clothes, colors etc, then all criminals could be corrected through them, rather could be just eradicated from the face of the Earth for ever. All people could be made Saattwik. But unfortunately it does not happen. All people are controlled by their Karm, and GOD, whatever He writes in our Fate. The day we take birth our fate or Destiny is decided, we just cannot change it. If there is any change has to happen, it will happen in the way it has been written by HIM. Since it is future, that is why we cannot foretell it, but there are innumerable incidents where we have no control at all. With regards Sushma , mg garga <mggarga wrote: > > God does not control .our vichar which are of three type cotrol us,satvik,rajsik,tamsik.we get these vichars from food,clothes,colours,etc.jaisa ann vaisa mann/vichar.God has given us full liberty to do karam but the phal is given by Him. > mggarga > > --- On Thu, 6/4/09, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: > > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee > Re: What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam > > Thursday, June 4, 2009, 5:22 AM > > Dear Ravishankar Ji > Aum Namah Shivaaya > > You have written a very good simile to explain the Fate and the Free Will. > > I want to expand it further your statement of limitation > > [[[However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However, > > in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results..]]] ] > > That this limitation is not only limitation but is full control, we cannot cross it in any way, we are bound to God's will - thus we are in full control of God. Unless HE wants us to do anything good, we cannot do it, because our mind will not work in that directon. > > That is my own idea. Many times I want to do something, but in spite of my utmost efforts, I am unable to do it. Why? Perhaps GOd doesn't want me to do that thing; and sometimes good things happen without my planning. > > I am sorry if I am hurting your theory. > Regards > Sushma > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, ravishankar_ g wrote: > > > > Radhe Krishna To all, > > > > 1. What is fate? > > > > 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? > > > > 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? > > Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? > > > > Let me explain, as per the karma theory that " All Actions have corresponding Reactions. " It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits †" whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. > > > > It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law †" may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). > > > > These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE. > > > > Then you may question > > > > 1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results? > > > > 2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer? > > > > To this, we have to explain the " Karma and Fate " theory further in the modern scenario. for example. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have " No control over the > > results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions " . Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. > > > > Now we have to look into the last question: " Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)? " > > > > The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law " As we sow, so we reap " . Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. > > > > Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called " PRAARABHDHA KARMA " . Whatever actions we are at present doing are called " SANJEETHA KARMA " . Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called " AAGAAMYA KARMA " . In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to " Prarabhdha " , whatever colour we are at present pushing into are " Sanjeetha� and whatever we will be pushing later are called " Aagaamya " . > > > > Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. > However, > > in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. > > > > Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha) ; have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. > > > > And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA " . Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. > > > > Regards > > > > Let’s Chant > > Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare > > > > The best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. > > > > Pl Visit www.namadwaar. org  > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Dear Garga Ji Aum Namah Shivaaya I thought that Manushya Yoni is to attain Moksh, and Mosh can be attained only when you do not have any Karm balance.Because as soon as you do any Karm, it goes into your balance and you have to bear its results and to bear the results you have to come to this world. With regards Sushma , " mggarga " <mggarga wrote: > > Manushya janam is for doing karam.if one does not do karam he is living in pashu yoni,which is bhogya yoni.God want that you do karam so taht phal of that karam can be given.Hanumanji thaught him to do karam ,He didnot want one to remain alsi.this message he gave to him that do karam for purchasing ticket & then reward will be given according to that karam ie with what intention that karam is done. > Fate is result of karama good or bad .in case he was given ticket/money even than it was not usefull to him unless he uses these thing by doing karma.he cant eat money he has to do karama. > om nama shivai/hariom > mggarga > destiny is the result of fate +karma ie net result /phal. > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > Dear MS Garga Ji > > Aum Namah Shivaaya > > > > I belive in Fate or Destiny. I am sorry I do not know the difference between Fate and Destiny, that is why I have used both the words. If somebody will explain the difference between them, I will use them accordingly in future. > > > > So, as I belive in Fate or Destiny, I do not believe in your following story. There is no need for Hanuman Ji to come to him and beat him with his Gadaa. He is such a powerful god that he can give him the lottery ticket without appearing before him - he can ask somebody to give the ticket to him, he can make that man find the ticket on the road unattended, or anything. > > > > If and only if that man has the money in his Fate of Destiny, he will get anyhow - he need not to do any effort. God is there to give him, who is he to refuse it? > > With regrds > > Sushma > > > > > > , mg garga <mggarga@> wrote: > > > > > > Hariom > > > fate is converted form of Karmas > > > one sit before the plate of food & thinks that in case eating is in my fate it will go in my mouth no he has to do karm by taking a piece of food keep it in mouth chew it etc then he can eat.By karma one can change his fate also. > > > a person devotee of Hanumanji for 14 years requested Hanumanji to give him ashirvad so that he earn money through lottery. > > > After 14 years Hanumanjicame & beaten him with Gada saying that purchase Ticket or that also I have to purchse & give to you. > > > from it is clear that karma over rides fate but you have to bear the fruits of your Karma good or bad. > > > mggarga > > > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, ravishankar_g@ <ravishankar_g@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ravishankar_g@ <ravishankar_g@> > > > What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam > > > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 6:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Radhe Krishna To all, > > > > > > 1. What is fate? > > > > > > 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? > > > > > > 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? > > > Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? > > > > > > Let me explain, as per the karma theory that " All Actions have corresponding Reactions. " It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits †" whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. > > > > > > It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law †" may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). > > > > > > These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE. > > > > > > Then you may question > > > > > > 1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results? > > > > > > 2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer? > > > > > > To this, we have to explain the " Karma and Fate " theory further in the modern scenario. for example. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have " No control over the > > > results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions " . Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. > > > > > > Now we have to look into the last question: " Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)? " > > > > > > The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law " As we sow, so we reap " . Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. > > > > > > Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called " PRAARABHDHA KARMA " . Whatever actions we are at present doing are called " SANJEETHA KARMA " . Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called " AAGAAMYA KARMA " . In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to " Prarabhdha " , whatever colour we are at present pushing into are " Sanjeetha†and whatever we will be pushing later are called " Aagaamya " . > > > > > > Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However, > > > in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. > > > > > > Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha) ; have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. > > > > > > And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA " . Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Let’s Chant > > > Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > > > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare > > > > > > The best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. > > > > > > Pl Visit www.namadwaar. org  > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 hariOm Bhagvatjee, you are very correct ,we have been given this Manushya yoni for doing karam only,Now it is upto us we do it with some desire or without desire.if there is desire in karam it will bind us .just as mother apne bachoon ko palti if it is without any swarth is it good if in her mind a desire is that her childered will do seva in old age it binds,so any karam which is done niswarth & is offerred to God you are not bound om Namah Shivai--- On Fri, 6/5/09, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee Re: What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 8:24 PM Dear Garga JiAum Namah ShivaayaI thought that Manushya Yoni is to attain Moksh, and Mosh can be attained only when you do not have any Karm balance.Because as soon as you do any Karm, it goes into your balance and you have to bear its results and to bear the results you have to come to this world.With regardsSushmaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "mggarga" <mggarga > wrote:>> Manushya janam is for doing karam.if one does not do karam he is living in pashu yoni,which is bhogya yoni.God want that you do karam so taht phal of that karam can be given.Hanumanji thaught him to do karam ,He didnot want one to remain alsi.this message he gave to him that do karam for purchasing ticket & then reward will be given according to that karam ie with what intention that karam is done.> Fate is result of karama good or bad .in case he was given ticket/money even than it was not usefull to him unless he uses these thing by doing karma.he cant eat money he has to do karama.> om nama shivai/hariom> mggarga> destiny is the result of fate +karma ie net result /phal.> > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "bhagvatjee" <bhagvatjee@ > wrote:> >> > Dear MS Garga Ji> > Aum Namah Shivaaya> > > > I belive in Fate or Destiny. I am sorry I do not know the difference between Fate and Destiny, that is why I have used both the words. If somebody will explain the difference between them, I will use them accordingly in future.> > > > So, as I belive in Fate or Destiny, I do not believe in your following story. There is no need for Hanuman Ji to come to him and beat him with his Gadaa. He is such a powerful god that he can give him the lottery ticket without appearing before him - he can ask somebody to give the ticket to him, he can make that man find the ticket on the road unattended, or anything. > > > > If and only if that man has the money in his Fate of Destiny, he will get anyhow - he need not to do any effort. God is there to give him, who is he to refuse it?> > With regrds> > Sushma> > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, mg garga <mggarga@> wrote:> > >> > > Hariom> > > fate is converted form of Karmas> > > one sit before the plate of food & thinks that in case eating is in my fate it will go in my mouth no he has to do karm by taking a piece of food keep it in mouth chew it etc then he can eat.By karma one can change his fate also.> > > a person devotee of Hanumanji for 14 years requested Hanumanji to give him ashirvad so that he earn money through lottery.> > > After 14 years Hanumanjicame & beaten him with Gada saying that purchase Ticket or that also I have to purchse & give to you.> > > from it is clear that karma over rides fate but you have to bear the fruits of your Karma good or bad.> > > mggarga> > > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, ravishankar_ g@ <ravishankar_ g@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > ravishankar_ g@ <ravishankar_ g@>> > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam> > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 6:18 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Radhe Krishna To all,> > > > > > 1. What is fate? > > > > > > 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? > > > > > > 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? > > > Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? > > > > > > Let me explain, as per the karma theory that "All Actions have corresponding Reactions." It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits â€" whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. > > > > > > It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law â€" may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). > > > > > > These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE.> > > > > > Then you may question> > > > > > 1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results?> > > > > > 2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer?> > > > > > To this, we have to explain the "Karma and Fate" theory further in the modern scenario. for example. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have "No control over the> > > results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions". Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. > > > > > > Now we have to look into the last question: "Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)?" > > > > > > The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law "As we sow, so we reap". Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. > > > > > > Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called "PRAARABHDHA KARMA". Whatever actions we are at present doing are called "SANJEETHA KARMA". Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called "AAGAAMYA KARMA". In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to "Prarabhdha" , whatever colour we are at present pushing into are "Sanjeethaâ€� and whatever we will be pushing later are called "Aagaamya". > > > > > > Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However,> > > in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. > > > > > > Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha) ; have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. > > > > > > And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA" . Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Let’s Chant > > > Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > > > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare> > > > > > The best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. > > > > > > Pl Visit www.namadwaar. org  > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 HariOm our Guru ji says Bhagayawadi mut bano.if every thing is left on Bhagya lazzyness will develop & we will not be able to do Karam. & we have to remain Karamsheel karam should be niswarth.This is all faith & belive . mggarga--- On Fri, 6/5/09, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee Re: What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 7:32 PM Dear Garga JiAum Namah ShivaayaIf Vichaar had been controlled by food, clothes, colors etc, then all criminals could be corrected through them, rather could be just eradicated from the face of the Earth for ever. All people could be made Saattwik. But unfortunately it does not happen. All people are controlled by their Karm, and GOD, whatever He writes in our Fate.The day we take birth our fate or Destiny is decided, we just cannot change it. If there is any change has to happen, it will happen in the way it has been written by HIM.Since it is future, that is why we cannot foretell it, but there are innumerable incidents where we have no control at all.With regardsSushmaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, mg garga <mggarga > wrote:>> God does not control .our vichar which are of three type cotrol us,satvik,rajsik, tamsik.we get these vichars from food,clothes, colours,etc. jaisa ann vaisa mann/vichar. God has given us full liberty to do karam but the phal is given by Him.> mggarga> > --- On Thu, 6/4/09, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote:> > > bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Thursday, June 4, 2009, 5:22 AM> > > > > > > > > Dear Ravishankar Ji> Aum Namah Shivaaya> > You have written a very good simile to explain the Fate and the Free Will.> > I want to expand it further your statement of limitation > > [[[However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However,> > in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results..]]] ]> > That this limitation is not only limitation but is full control, we cannot cross it in any way, we are bound to God's will - thus we are in full control of God. Unless HE wants us to do anything good, we cannot do it, because our mind will not work in that directon.> > That is my own idea. Many times I want to do something, but in spite of my utmost efforts, I am unable to do it. Why? Perhaps GOd doesn't want me to do that thing; and sometimes good things happen without my planning.> > I am sorry if I am hurting your theory.> Regards> Sushma> > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, ravishankar_ g wrote:> >> > Radhe Krishna To all,> > > > 1. What is fate? > > > > 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? > > > > 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? > > Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? > > > > Let me explain, as per the karma theory that "All Actions have corresponding Reactions." It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits â€" whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. > > > > It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law â€" may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). > > > > These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE.> > > > Then you may question> > > > 1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results?> > > > 2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer?> > > > To this, we have to explain the "Karma and Fate" theory further in the modern scenario. for example. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have "No control over the> > results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions". Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. > > > > Now we have to look into the last question: "Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)?" > > > > The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law "As we sow, so we reap". Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. > > > > Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called "PRAARABHDHA KARMA". Whatever actions we are at present doing are called "SANJEETHA KARMA". Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called "AAGAAMYA KARMA". In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to "Prarabhdha" , whatever colour we are at present pushing into are "Sanjeethaâ€� and whatever we will be pushing later are called "Aagaamya". > > > > Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent.> However,> > in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. > > > > Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha) ; have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. > > > > And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA" . Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. > > > > Regards> > > > Let’s Chant > > Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare> > > > The best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. > > > > Pl Visit www.namadwaar. org  > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 what is the alternative answer if you dont believe in Karma theory. gps--- On Fri, 6/5/09, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee Re: What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 7:54 AM Dear Garga JiAum Namah ShivaayaI thought that Manushya Yoni is to attain Moksh, and Mosh can be attained only when you do not have any Karm balance.Because as soon as you do any Karm, it goes into your balance and you have to bear its results and to bear the results you have to come to this world.With regardsSushmaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "mggarga" <mggarga > wrote:>> Manushya janam is for doing karam.if one does not do karam he is living in pashu yoni,which is bhogya yoni.God want that you do karam so taht phal of that karam can be given.Hanumanji thaught him to do karam ,He didnot want one to remain alsi.this message he gave to him that do karam for purchasing ticket & then reward will be given according to that karam ie with what intention that karam is done.> Fate is result of karama good or bad .in case he was given ticket/money even than it was not usefull to him unless he uses these thing by doing karma.he cant eat money he has to do karama.> om nama shivai/hariom> mggarga> destiny is the result of fate +karma ie net result /phal.> > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "bhagvatjee" <bhagvatjee@ > wrote:> >> > Dear MS Garga Ji> > Aum Namah Shivaaya> > > > I belive in Fate or Destiny. I am sorry I do not know the difference between Fate and Destiny, that is why I have used both the words. If somebody will explain the difference between them, I will use them accordingly in future.> > > > So, as I belive in Fate or Destiny, I do not believe in your following story. There is no need for Hanuman Ji to come to him and beat him with his Gadaa. He is such a powerful god that he can give him the lottery ticket without appearing before him - he can ask somebody to give the ticket to him, he can make that man find the ticket on the road unattended, or anything. > > > > If and only if that man has the money in his Fate of Destiny, he will get anyhow - he need not to do any effort. God is there to give him, who is he to refuse it?> > With regrds> > Sushma> > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, mg garga <mggarga@> wrote:> > >> > > Hariom> > > fate is converted form of Karmas> > > one sit before the plate of food & thinks that in case eating is in my fate it will go in my mouth no he has to do karm by taking a piece of food keep it in mouth chew it etc then he can eat.By karma one can change his fate also.> > > a person devotee of Hanumanji for 14 years requested Hanumanji to give him ashirvad so that he earn money through lottery.> > > After 14 years Hanumanjicame & beaten him with Gada saying that purchase Ticket or that also I have to purchse & give to you.> > > from it is clear that karma over rides fate but you have to bear the fruits of your Karma good or bad.> > > mggarga> > > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, ravishankar_ g@ <ravishankar_ g@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > ravishankar_ g@ <ravishankar_ g@>> > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] What is Fate - A Interesting and Informative article By Sri.Venkatachalam> > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 6:18 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Radhe Krishna To all,> > > > > > 1. What is fate? > > > > > > 2. Should one believe in one's fate or should one continue doing his karma and not worry about fate? > > > > > > 3. Can one's fate be overcome by WISDOM / INTELLECT / or by Scheme? > > > Many of us have the above questions and also have Scorn views about fate. But, they do not know what exactly fate is? > > > > > > Let me explain, as per the karma theory that "All Actions have corresponding Reactions." It is like when you throw a ball on to the wall, it comes back in just the opposite direction with the same force with which you threw it and similarly all our good and bad actions bear fruits â€" whether you like or believe it or not the divine laws will not change. Depending on the type of actions, one gets good results for good actions and Sinful actions do return sinful results. Thus, we are the authors of the reactions of all our actions. > > > > > > It is clear, therefore, that if you want good results, you must engage in good actions. However, all actions do not produce reactions immediately. Some get stored and come to us at some other time as per the universal law â€" may be in this birth or even next, depending on the purpose for which the action is performed and the type of actions performed (whether good or Bad). > > > > > > These accumulated results of our actions are called FATE.> > > > > > Then you may question> > > > > > 1. Is it that Good actions always produce good results and bad actions always bring in bad results?> > > > > > 2. Is there any law, which decides about the chronological order of the happening of results since We find some people doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good actions suffer?> > > > > > To this, we have to explain the "Karma and Fate" theory further in the modern scenario. for example. Let us take a hollow pipe, opened at both ends. Go on pushing stripes of cloth with different colours, one after the other. Let us say White represents good actions, Black represents bad actions and other colours as a mixed actions ( good and Bad). You push Black coloured stripe first, then Red, then Green, then White, then Blue etc. etc. through one side of the hollow pipe. When you fill the full pipe length with such stripes of cloth and then try to push further stripes into it, what happens? You first get, out of the other opening of the pipe, the Black stripe first, then the Red stripe, then the Green, then the White and so on. Can you control the order in which the stripes are coming out of the other end? No, isn't it? What went first comes out first. This is natural and is called universal theory. Now, it is clear that we have "No control over the> > > results but only have right to decide about the type of Actions". Clear? This also explains why some one doing bad actions enjoy life and some doing good suffer. While you are pushing White stripe from one end, what you see on the other side is the Black stripe. Why? You have already pushed Black first and when you are pushing White, the one comes out is the first one pushed. So when one does in this world now good Actions (White stripe pushed in) he gets bad results (Black stripe coming out) and so on. The first accumulated results are based on your earlier actions, the reaction is being seen or enjoyed now. Whatever you do now, will reap results later. This is the theory of Karma and Fate. > > > > > > Now we have to look into the last question: "Can we conquer Fate by our Intellect (Buddhi)?" > > > > > > The answer is both YES and NO. Let us see. We have seen that we have no control over the results of our actions, they are happening as per universal law "As we sow, so we reap". Based on this, I can say we cannot win over Fate through Intellect. However, we can definitely win over Fate through proper Intellectual planning of our actions now to produce desired results. Good actions produce Good results, Bad Actions results bad results and so on. Now, You decide and shape up your actions accordingly and you will then get the desired results. However, we have also seen the chronological way in which results come. > > > > > > Whatever accumulated results are there due to our past actions are called "PRAARABHDHA KARMA". Whatever actions we are at present doing are called "SANJEETHA KARMA". Whatever actions we may be doing in future are called "AAGAAMYA KARMA". In this, we have seen through the analogy of filling different coloured stripes into an open pipe, that what colour went first comes first. Therefore, whatever colours have already gone through the pipe earlier are equivalent to "Prarabhdha" , whatever colour we are at present pushing into are "Sanjeethaâ€� and whatever we will be pushing later are called "Aagaamya". > > > > > > Now tell me, where do you have control over your actions in this process? You cannot have control over the colours that have already gone into the pipe, since no pulling out is allowed (meaning once you perform a karma the result is already decided and you cannot undo a karma performed). But, you have control over your present pushing (present actions) and can decide about the order in which you want to push them. This is possible by intelligent planning of your actions. Use your mind, mould your actions to produce good results and thus win over the results indirectly. However, there is a limitation. Your Mind understanding of our scriptural sayings is already limited and your present Intellect may not guide your present actions properly. Nevertheless, the very determination to do good actions will make you learn the scriptural sayings and will mould your actions into good to some extent. Thus, the present actions can be moulded to some extent. However,> > > in your Future actions, you mould your character with good thoughts developed by the learning you gain in the present by reading and understanding our Vedas and contemplating on the Truth (God). This super Knowledge will naturally govern your future actions which will definitely be good and produce good results.. > > > > > > Thus to sum up , you have no control over the results of your past actions (Prarabhdha) ; have a limited control (limited by your coloured understanding of Dharma) over your present actions (Sanjeetha) and full control over your future actions (Aagaamya). You are not really winning over FATE but you are moulding your FATE by having a control over your actions. > > > > > > And so we need to do our duties as said by Lord Krishna to Arjuna : KARMANYEVA ADHIKARASTHE, MAA BHALESHU KATHAACHANA" . Meaning, you concentrate on your Duties without desire and do not worry about results, leave it to me. > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Let’s Chant > > > Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > > > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare> > > > > > The best sanjeetha Karma that we can do to take care of both Prarabdha and Aagaamya Karma's. > > > > > > Pl Visit www.namadwaar. org  > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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