Betreff: ISKCON IS A ANTI HINDU CHRTSIAN ORGANISATION

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Dear Respected Sirs,

 

We are all conceptual beings who grow up absorbing various concepts from our homes & schools & environments.

These concepts ( beliefs ) become deeply intrenched within us & we use these concepts as the prism thru which we view the

outside world, no matter where we are.

Infact, one of the hardest things to shift are intrenched concepts ( beliefs ) thats why upbringing is THE most important thing in a human life. Parents & teachers have a far greater responsibility to the future generations, than we realize.

 

The British knew this & worked with this by spreading their version of education on a global basis.

As a result, even though we realize that our history has been altered, we are still struggling with bringing the facts about our own Indian civilization into the peoples awareness. We are unable to shift the entrenched concepts of the British empire & its history as they chose to propogate it to the rest of the world.

Advertisments on TV etc work with the same premise & daily feeds us with concepts about how life will be more fulfilling if we buy a certain car or take a certain holiday or wear certain clothes or smoke a certain cigerette or drink a certain brand of whatever & so on & no one stops to consider if owning these things reallly did make life more fulfilling as promised.

Media daily consolidates political views & concepts thru newspapers & TV & most of us believe what we read & watch.

If we really take a look around us, we will see the proof of the importance & influence of concepts in one`s life.

It is rare person, who can transcend his concepts to view the world differently to what he is used to.

 

By this logic, it is clear that Srila prabupada`s views & understanding of the Shrimad Bhagvat Gita would have been quite different to the way it has been understood by most western people. ( Indian people with a western education are conceptually western )

Basically, the Sanatan Dharma propogates a fusionistic outlook, meaning viewing the many as the one. Where as the Christian outlook is fisionistic, meaning, they are divisionary & hirarchical therefore it becomes important for them to claim the top position for whomever or whatever it is they believe in, therby establishing their own supremacy over others. Its the ultimate EGO manifestation.

Either way, Sanatan Dharma, Christianity, Muslims, they are all concepts.

 

Please consider my humble proposal in trying to explain why the western & indian western people who belong to ISCON, behave in the way they do.

Since conceptually it is near impossible for them to view all as one, they have to view whomsoever they hold dear, as THE ONLY ONE.

The Muslims do the same thing because they too view the world from a prism which divides the one into the many & then choose Allah as the only one.

 

The joke is that in a way they are right. Vishnu & Allah, both are the ONE.

Their only misunderstanding is that they do not see all the many ones as aspects of THE ONE.

Once we understand one another`s prespectives, it becomes easier to accept their point of view without taking it personal or finding it offensive.

The world has room for all degrees of spiritual development. The journey from the many to the one is very long. Better to conserve one`s energies on our way. Why get distracted by the prisms of others ? With God`s Grace, sooner or later we will all arrive to THE ONE anyway.......

 

The whole point of the Leela is that The ONE is many & the many is ONE & those who`ve got this are free.

 

Hari Om !

Subham.

 

 

 

-------Originalmeldung-------

 

 

Von: Veryytterium

Datum: 29/05/2009 00:40:37

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Betreff: Re: ISKCON IS A ANTI HINDU CHRTSIAN ORGANISATION

 

 

 

 

 

namo narayana

 

Respected devotee,

I am not a member of ISKCON and neither do I completely agree to all their opinions and views, however stating that ISKCON is anti-Hindu chrisitian organization is a bit too far from reality,

 

Some facts,

 

The founder of ISKCON Srila Prabhupada left for the US as a 69 year old man in a cargo ship all the way from India to NewYork. With less than a dollar in hand, some boxes of cereal and only the copies of Srimad Bhagavatam and Srimad Bhagavad Gita he set sail without knowing who is going to help him spread the message of Lord Sri Krishna.

 

After suffering several heart attacks in the journey and reaching New York with no support system, this old man had to live in the ghetto areas of the city with drug addicts and prostitutes. Yet he never failed to upkeep his only mission of spreading the word of OUR sacred scriptures the Bhagvatam and the Bhagavad gita.

Only due to his fearless efforts, is the gita now translated into almost all the major languages in the world and widely read amongst people of foreign birth. I have seen and interacted firsthand with americans who have never been to India, who had been disillusioned with THEIR religion Christianity, worshipping (our?) supreme lord and practising Bhagavad dharma while our own Hindu US teenagers/youth go pub hopping, binge drinking and beef eating.

 

It was inspiring to know about their commitment to uphold their dharmic practices like their daily pre-dawn mangala arathi, regular ekadasi/dwadasi vrathams, vaishnava dress codel and the vaishanava tilaks, strict vegetarinism ( no onions/garlic) etc

 

After reading all this, I guess it is only a personal choice or a compulsion to decide if ISKCON is an anti-Hindu christian group.

 

It is best to search our own conscience of how truly "Hindu" we are before saying anything about others.

 

Please forgive any offences,

Sincerely,

 

Kamlesh

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 5/28/09, rajendra patel <yogarajendra wrote:

rajendra patel <yogarajendraRe: ISKCON IS A ANTI HINDU CHRTSIAN ORGANISATION Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 10:08 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste Gopal,I think you are right. I go to ISKON temple in Toronto. When I talk with devotees they always talk about Krishna is the only one. I strongly believe in Krishna or Vishnu but I also believe in Shiva and all. But ISKON people divide Hindus between Krishna's follower and rest. I have doubt about Goras.OmRajendra--- On Thu, 28/5/09, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ gmail.com> wrote:

gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ gmail.com>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] ISKCON IS A ANTI HINDU CHRTSIAN ORGANISATIONom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, 28 May, 2009, 11:29 AM

 

 

 

 

 

we r hindu and we reverr + worship panch mahadev :

 

ganapati

 

maa shakti

 

laxmi narayan

 

uma maheshwar

 

surya sahit nava graha dev

 

 

 

but iskcon is a christian organisation whic is trying to create rift

between us all hindus and created confusion and destroy sanatan

dhanra.

 

it is a plant by chritsians to do this.so be ware.

 

they r as fundamentalists as christians.

 

let us promote the true sanatan dharma which is for all.

 

 

 

om shakti

 

gopal

 

 

 

 

On 5/27/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please Dr. jaya....take your iskcon philosophies somewhere else. There are books that talk about Visnu being the left half of Siva or being born of iccha shakti of Lord Siva, but of course you will not be ready to hear about that side of the story.

 

The fact is the none is superior it inferior. It is your ego which likes to believe that the one you are following is better than the others...exactly the same principle as that followed by Islam and Christians. Take your arguments to their forum.

 

Moderator: What is happening here?

 

Bhupendra.

 

 

 

dr. jaya <pyari_h >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, May 27, 2009 11:52:55 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva

 

Read more at:http://forums. delphiforums. com/jayaradhey/ messages? msg=44.30om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Tiruvarur Chandrasekaran <tiruvarur@. ..> wrote:>> None of the Gods ridicule the other. Infact the glory of Vishnu is narrated> by SIVA to Parvathi.> Parvathi asks Siva what is the easiest way to get the fruit of reciting> Vishnu Sahasranamam and in reply Siva says SRI RAMA RAMETHI RAME RAME> MANORAME SAHASRANAMA THATHULYAM SRIRAMANAMA VARANANAE.> Similarly Sivas Glory is spoken by Lord Vishnu.> It is only we human beings have fixed views in mind. Infact since LOGO BINNA> RUCHIHI we have hundreds and thousands of forms of worship of idols each to> suit ones own identity.> Just like all rivers flow to the sea all types of worship finally reaches> the yultimate GOD SUPREME> LOVE TRC

 

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