Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 dear friend, that is the essence of true dharma. all gods r part of same divinity,and r aspects of it. there is a big diamond and it has many facet. just like that all gods r facte s and aspect of same divinity. we udnerstand it. but jews-christains-muslims dont and fight over man created ideologies and kill in god's name. so we have to stop this and educate the world. om shakti gopal On 5/28/09, Casey <zziegamp wrote: Please, don't argue.I think we can all agree that God takes on different forms for its worshippers, whether that form be Krishna, Allah, Yahweh, Shiva or Shakti. My question was merely how to attempt to explain reconciliation between the two aspects of God, not to insight argument. Casey Please Dr. jaya....take your iskcon philosophies somewhere else. There are books that talk about Visnu being the left half of Siva or being born of iccha shakti of Lord Siva, but of course you will not be ready to hear about that side of the story. The fact is the none is superior it inferior. It is your ego which likes to believe that the one you are following is better than the others...exactly the same principle as that followed by Islam and Christians. Take your arguments to their forum. Moderator: What is happening here? Bhupendra. dr. jaya <pyari_h Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:52:55 AM Re: Visnu and Shiva Read more at:http://forums. delphiforums. com/jayaradhey/ messages? msg=44.30 om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Tiruvarur Chandrasekaran <tiruvarur@. ..> wrote: >> None of the Gods ridicule the other. Infact the glory of Vishnu is narrated> by SIVA to Parvathi.> Parvathi asks Siva what is the easiest way to get the fruit of reciting> Vishnu Sahasranamam and in reply Siva says SRI RAMA RAMETHI RAME RAME > MANORAME SAHASRANAMA THATHULYAM SRIRAMANAMA VARANANAE.> Similarly Sivas Glory is spoken by Lord Vishnu.> It is only we human beings have fixed views in mind. Infact since LOGO BINNA> RUCHIHI we have hundreds and thousands of forms of worship of idols each to > suit ones own identity.> Just like all rivers flow to the sea all types of worship finally reaches> the yultimate GOD SUPREME> LOVE TRC Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Dear all Sometime back, somewhere I had read about Lord Shiva and Lord Shanker which I am going to share with all of you. It was said that Lord Shiv is the Supreme and is formless. Thousands of years ago, our Great Rishis and Seers, who were great realized souls, have depicted this Supreme Power Lord Shiva in the form of "Shivling". In Sanskrit language, it is said that Lord Shiv means "the Good one" or the Auspicious one "and the word "Linga" refers to the principle into which everything ultimately dissolves or merges. The Linga is that form which the whole cosmos arose and into which it dissolves eventually. Lord Shiv - the Supreme Power (also referred as "Narayan") is the nucleus of the whole cosmos who is always at rest. This Supreme Power manifests Himself in the form of Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu and Lord Shanker (or Lord Mahesh) who Generates, Maintains and Destroys respectively. This way we find that Lord Shanker is one aspect of Lord Shiv. This belief gets strength when we see pictorial depiction of Lord Shanker concentrating and meditating in front of the Shivling - the Supreme Power. These pictures were depicted thousands of years ago by our great Rishis and Seers who were the source of all knowledge in the form of Vedas, Puranas and Upanishads. They had power to see and realize the Truth of this whole universe and for the common man to understand easily, they developed these pictures. Lord Shiva who is omnipresent and formless is always shown in the form of Shivling because this Shivling denotes the Truth of this Cosmos whereas Lord Shanker (one of the 3 energies of Lord Shiv) is always shown concentrating and meditating in front of the Shivling. Lord Shanker praises Lord Vishnu and Lord Vihnu praises Lord Shanker as some of the members have mentioned in their writings and that could be true as I feel keeping the above fact as correct. If the above view which I had read quite sometime back is correct, I would appreciate if any of the learned members could through some more light on this and elaborate this aspect in order to remove all the confusion in this regard. regards. Vijay Shanker -------- Re: Re: Visnu and Shiva Please Dr. jaya....take your iskcon philosophies somewhere else. There are books that talk about Visnu being the left half of Siva or being born of iccha shakti of Lord Siva, but of course you will not be ready to hear about that side of the story. The fact is the none is superior it inferior. It is your ego which likes to believe that the one you are following is better than the others...exactly the same principle as that followed by Islam and Christians. Take your arguments to their forum. Moderator: What is happening here? Bhupendra. dr. jaya <pyari_h Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:52:55 AM Re: Visnu and Shiva Read more at:http://forums. delphiforums. com/jayaradhey/ messages? msg=44.30om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Tiruvarur Chandrasekaran <tiruvarur@. ..> wrote:>> None of the Gods ridicule the other. Infact the glory of Vishnu is narrated> by SIVA to Parvathi.> Parvathi asks Siva what is the easiest way to get the fruit of reciting> Vishnu Sahasranamam and in reply Siva says SRI RAMA RAMETHI RAME RAME> MANORAME SAHASRANAMA THATHULYAM SRIRAMANAMA VARANANAE.> Similarly Sivas Glory is spoken by Lord Vishnu.> It is only we human beings have fixed views in mind. Infact since LOGO BINNA> RUCHIHI we have hundreds and thousands of forms of worship of idols each to> suit ones own identity.> Just like all rivers flow to the sea all types of worship finally reaches> the yultimate GOD SUPREME> LOVE TRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Namaste Vijay Ji, That is what I have read in Siva Purana as well as Agamas. The formless Sada Siva goes byond causal time and is represented by Siva Linga. He is described as having 5 faces and the 5 faces are actually 5 functions performed by the Lord: Sadyojata - Creation of mobile and immobile Vamadeva - Nurturing Aghora - Destruction Tatpurusa - Unveiling Isana - Salvation Here is in a nutshell, a simplistic picture of it. Brahma is a form of Sadyojata, Lord Visnu is a form of Vamadev, Lord Rudra is a form of Aghora, Tatpurusa is a form of Mahesa and Isana is beyond that...the supreme, the formless represented by only a Linga. Actually Mahesa also does not have a form and needs to be represented as a Linga. So when people start quoting text from Gita talking about supremacy of Krishna over everyone it doesn't make sense becuase Visnu is as much part of Sada Siva as Rudra is. So who is superior and who in inferior? Only twisted human mind brings up such types of distinction for their personal gain or ego. There are a lot more knowledgeable people in this group than me so please correct me if I am wrong, but I think I have gotten it correct at the basic level atleast. Thanks, Bhupendra. Vijay <vijayyshanker Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:42:05 AM Re: Visnu and Shiva Dear all Sometime back, somewhere I had read about Lord Shiva and Lord Shanker which I am going to share with all of you. It was said that Lord Shiv is the Supreme and is formless. Thousands of years ago, our Great Rishis and Seers, who were great realized souls, have depicted this Supreme Power Lord Shiva in the form of "Shivling". In Sanskrit language, it is said that Lord Shiv means "the Good one" or the Auspicious one "and the word "Linga" refers to the principle into which everything ultimately dissolves or merges. The Linga is that form which the whole cosmos arose and into which it dissolves eventually. Lord Shiv - the Supreme Power (also referred as "Narayan") is the nucleus of the whole cosmos who is always at rest. This Supreme Power manifests Himself in the form of Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu and Lord Shanker (or Lord Mahesh) who Generates, Maintains and Destroys respectively. This way we find that Lord Shanker is one aspect of Lord Shiv. This belief gets strength when we see pictorial depiction of Lord Shanker concentrating and meditating in front of the Shivling - the Supreme Power. These pictures were depicted thousands of years ago by our great Rishis and Seers who were the source of all knowledge in the form of Vedas, Puranas and Upanishads. They had power to see and realize the Truth of this whole universe and for the common man to understand easily, they developed these pictures. Lord Shiva who is omnipresent and formless is always shown in the form of Shivling because this Shivling denotes the Truth of this Cosmos whereas Lord Shanker (one of the 3 energies of Lord Shiv) is always shown concentrating and meditating in front of the Shivling. Lord Shanker praises Lord Vishnu and Lord Vihnu praises Lord Shanker as some of the members have mentioned in their writings and that could be true as I feel keeping the above fact as correct. If the above view which I had read quite sometime back is correct, I would appreciate if any of the learned members could through some more light on this and elaborate this aspect in order to remove all the confusion in this regard. regards. Vijay Shanker ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva Please Dr. jaya....take your iskcon philosophies somewhere else. There are books that talk about Visnu being the left half of Siva or being born of iccha shakti of Lord Siva, but of course you will not be ready to hear about that side of the story. The fact is the none is superior it inferior. It is your ego which likes to believe that the one you are following is better than the others...exactly the same principle as that followed by Islam and Christians. Take your arguments to their forum. Moderator: What is happening here? Bhupendra. dr. jaya <pyari_hom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, May 27, 2009 11:52:55 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva Read more at:http://forums. delphiforums. com/jayaradhey/ messages? msg=44.30om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Tiruvarur Chandrasekaran <tiruvarur@. ..> wrote:>> None of the Gods ridicule the other. Infact the glory of Vishnu is narrated> by SIVA to Parvathi.> Parvathi asks Siva what is the easiest way to get the fruit of reciting> Vishnu Sahasranamam and in reply Siva says SRI RAMA RAMETHI RAME RAME> MANORAME SAHASRANAMA THATHULYAM SRIRAMANAMA VARANANAE.> Similarly Sivas Glory is spoken by Lord Vishnu.> It is only we human beings have fixed views in mind. Infact since LOGO BINNA> RUCHIHI we have hundreds and thousands of forms of worship of idols each to> suit ones own identity.> Just like all rivers flow to the sea all types of worship finally reaches> the yultimate GOD SUPREME> LOVE TRC Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Dear Sir, I am not telling here who is supreme as it is beyond our human knowledge. But I am here telling what my Guruji narrated once. Lord Shiva is in 8th Dimension and he wants to get 9th dimension which is the ultimate universal source of energy. He told that the energy is personified but there is no question of supremacy. 6th dimension is Brahma state and who ever gets sixth dimension he can create world. 7th demension is of Lord Vishnu who can protect the universe. Again I am telling here this not to tell supremacy of any God but the words of my guruji are conveyed if it is of any help to Mr Vijay that why Lord Shiva is meditating all the time before Shiva Linga. D.M.M.RAO --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Vijay <vijayyshanker wrote: Vijay <vijayyshanker Re: Visnu and Shiva Date: Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 7:12 PM Dear all Sometime back, somewhere I had read about Lord Shiva and Lord Shanker which I am going to share with all of you. It was said that Lord Shiv is the Supreme and is formless. Thousands of years ago, our Great Rishis and Seers, who were great realized souls, have depicted this Supreme Power Lord Shiva in the form of "Shivling". In Sanskrit language, it is said that Lord Shiv means "the Good one" or the Auspicious one "and the word "Linga" refers to the principle into which everything ultimately dissolves or merges. The Linga is that form which the whole cosmos arose and into which it dissolves eventually. Lord Shiv - the Supreme Power (also referred as "Narayan") is the nucleus of the whole cosmos who is always at rest. This Supreme Power manifests Himself in the form of Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu and Lord Shanker (or Lord Mahesh) who Generates, Maintains and Destroys respectively. This way we find that Lord Shanker is one aspect of Lord Shiv. This belief gets strength when we see pictorial depiction of Lord Shanker concentrating and meditating in front of the Shivling - the Supreme Power. These pictures were depicted thousands of years ago by our great Rishis and Seers who were the source of all knowledge in the form of Vedas, Puranas and Upanishads. They had power to see and realize the Truth of this whole universe and for the common man to understand easily, they developed these pictures. Lord Shiva who is omnipresent and formless is always shown in the form of Shivling because this Shivling denotes the Truth of this Cosmos whereas Lord Shanker (one of the 3 energies of Lord Shiv) is always shown concentrating and meditating in front of the Shivling. Lord Shanker praises Lord Vishnu and Lord Vihnu praises Lord Shanker as some of the members have mentioned in their writings and that could be true as I feel keeping the above fact as correct. If the above view which I had read quite sometime back is correct, I would appreciate if any of the learned members could through some more light on this and elaborate this aspect in order to remove all the confusion in this regard.. regards. Vijay Shanker ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva Please Dr. jaya....take your iskcon philosophies somewhere else. There are books that talk about Visnu being the left half of Siva or being born of iccha shakti of Lord Siva, but of course you will not be ready to hear about that side of the story. The fact is the none is superior it inferior. It is your ego which likes to believe that the one you are following is better than the others...exactly the same principle as that followed by Islam and Christians. Take your arguments to their forum. Moderator: What is happening here? Bhupendra. dr. jaya <pyari_h.>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, May 27, 2009 11:52:55 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva Read more at:http://forums. delphiforums. com/jayaradhey/ messages? msg=44.30om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Tiruvarur Chandrasekaran <tiruvarur@. ..> wrote:>> None of the Gods ridicule the other. Infact the glory of Vishnu is narrated> by SIVA to Parvathi.> Parvathi asks Siva what is the easiest way to get the fruit of reciting> Vishnu Sahasranamam and in reply Siva says SRI RAMA RAMETHI RAME RAME> MANORAME SAHASRANAMA THATHULYAM SRIRAMANAMA VARANANAE.> Similarly Sivas Glory is spoken by Lord Vishnu.> It is only we human beings have fixed views in mind. Infact since LOGO BINNA> RUCHIHI we have hundreds and thousands of forms of worship of idols each to> suit ones own identity.> Just like all rivers flow to the sea all types of worship finally reaches> the yultimate GOD SUPREME> LOVE TRC Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 beautifully and well said. om shakti gopal On 5/28/09, Vijay <vijayyshanker wrote: Dear all Sometime back, somewhere I had read about Lord Shiva and Lord Shanker which I am going to share with all of you. It was said that Lord Shiv is the Supreme and is formless. Thousands of years ago, our Great Rishis and Seers, who were great realized souls, have depicted this Supreme Power Lord Shiva in the form of " Shivling " . In Sanskrit language, it is said that Lord Shiv means " the Good one " or the Auspicious one " and the word " Linga " refers to the principle into which everything ultimately dissolves or merges. The Linga is that form which the whole cosmos arose and into which it dissolves eventually. Lord Shiv - the Supreme Power (also referred as " Narayan " ) is the nucleus of the whole cosmos who is always at rest. This Supreme Power manifests Himself in the form of Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu and Lord Shanker (or Lord Mahesh) who Generates, Maintains and Destroys respectively. This way we find that Lord Shanker is one aspect of Lord Shiv. This belief gets strength when we see pictorial depiction of Lord Shanker concentrating and meditating in front of the Shivling - the Supreme Power. These pictures were depicted thousands of years ago by our great Rishis and Seers who were the source of all knowledge in the form of Vedas, Puranas and Upanishads. They had power to see and realize the Truth of this whole universe and for the common man to understand easily, they developed these pictures. Lord Shiva who is omnipresent and formless is always shown in the form of Shivling because this Shivling denotes the Truth of this Cosmos whereas Lord Shanker (one of the 3 energies of Lord Shiv) is always shown concentrating and meditating in front of the Shivling. Lord Shanker praises Lord Vishnu and Lord Vihnu praises Lord Shanker as some of the members have mentioned in their writings and that could be true as I feel keeping the above fact as correct. If the above view which I had read quite sometime back is correct, I would appreciate if any of the learned members could through some more light on this and elaborate this aspect in order to remove all the confusion in this regard. regards. Vijay Shanker -------- Re: Re: Visnu and Shiva Please Dr. jaya....take your iskcon philosophies somewhere else. There are books that talk about Visnu being the left half of Siva or being born of iccha shakti of Lord Siva, but of course you will not be ready to hear about that side of the story. The fact is the none is superior it inferior. It is your ego which likes to believe that the one you are following is better than the others...exactly the same principle as that followed by Islam and Christians. Take your arguments to their forum. Moderator: What is happening here? Bhupendra. dr. jaya <pyari_h Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:52:55 AM Re: Visnu and Shiva Read more at:http://forums. delphiforums. com/jayaradhey/ messages? msg=44.30 om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Tiruvarur Chandrasekaran <tiruvarur@. ..> wrote: >> None of the Gods ridicule the other. Infact the glory of Vishnu is narrated> by SIVA to Parvathi.> Parvathi asks Siva what is the easiest way to get the fruit of reciting> Vishnu Sahasranamam and in reply Siva says SRI RAMA RAMETHI RAME RAME > MANORAME SAHASRANAMA THATHULYAM SRIRAMANAMA VARANANAE.> Similarly Sivas Glory is spoken by Lord Vishnu.> It is only we human beings have fixed views in mind. Infact since LOGO BINNA> RUCHIHI we have hundreds and thousands of forms of worship of idols each to > suit ones own identity.> Just like all rivers flow to the sea all types of worship finally reaches> the yultimate GOD SUPREME> LOVE TRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 all god r part of the same divinity,we need to unite hindu dharma. we must destroy casteism and regionalism and language barrier to make hindu dharma stronger and win back world for dharma again. om shakti gopal On 5/29/09, dmm rao <dyfacons wrote: Dear Sir, I am not telling here who is supreme as it is beyond our human knowledge. But I am here telling what my Guruji narrated once. Lord Shiva is in 8th Dimension and he wants to get 9th dimension which is the ultimate universal source of energy. He told that the energy is personified but there is no question of supremacy. 6th dimension is Brahma state and who ever gets sixth dimension he can create world. 7th demension is of Lord Vishnu who can protect the universe. Again I am telling here this not to tell supremacy of any God but the words of my guruji are conveyed if it is of any help to Mr Vijay that why Lord Shiva is meditating all the time before Shiva Linga. D.M.M.RAO --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Vijay <vijayyshanker wrote: Vijay <vijayyshanker Re: Visnu and Shiva Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 7:12 PM Dear all Sometime back, somewhere I had read about Lord Shiva and Lord Shanker which I am going to share with all of you. It was said that Lord Shiv is the Supreme and is formless. Thousands of years ago, our Great Rishis and Seers, who were great realized souls, have depicted this Supreme Power Lord Shiva in the form of " Shivling " . In Sanskrit language, it is said that Lord Shiv means " the Good one " or the Auspicious one " and the word " Linga " refers to the principle into which everything ultimately dissolves or merges. The Linga is that form which the whole cosmos arose and into which it dissolves eventually. Lord Shiv - the Supreme Power (also referred as " Narayan " ) is the nucleus of the whole cosmos who is always at rest. This Supreme Power manifests Himself in the form of Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu and Lord Shanker (or Lord Mahesh) who Generates, Maintains and Destroys respectively. This way we find that Lord Shanker is one aspect of Lord Shiv. This belief gets strength when we see pictorial depiction of Lord Shanker concentrating and meditating in front of the Shivling - the Supreme Power. These pictures were depicted thousands of years ago by our great Rishis and Seers who were the source of all knowledge in the form of Vedas, Puranas and Upanishads. They had power to see and realize the Truth of this whole universe and for the common man to understand easily, they developed these pictures. Lord Shiva who is omnipresent and formless is always shown in the form of Shivling because this Shivling denotes the Truth of this Cosmos whereas Lord Shanker (one of the 3 energies of Lord Shiv) is always shown concentrating and meditating in front of the Shivling. Lord Shanker praises Lord Vishnu and Lord Vihnu praises Lord Shanker as some of the members have mentioned in their writings and that could be true as I feel keeping the above fact as correct. If the above view which I had read quite sometime back is correct, I would appreciate if any of the learned members could through some more light on this and elaborate this aspect in order to remove all the confusion in this regard.. regards. Vijay Shanker ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva Please Dr. jaya....take your iskcon philosophies somewhere else. There are books that talk about Visnu being the left half of Siva or being born of iccha shakti of Lord Siva, but of course you will not be ready to hear about that side of the story. The fact is the none is superior it inferior. It is your ego which likes to believe that the one you are following is better than the others...exactly the same principle as that followed by Islam and Christians. Take your arguments to their forum. Moderator: What is happening here? Bhupendra. dr. jaya <pyari_h.>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:52:55 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva Read more at:http://forums. delphiforums. com/jayaradhey/ messages? msg=44.30 om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Tiruvarur Chandrasekaran <tiruvarur@. ..> wrote: >> None of the Gods ridicule the other. Infact the glory of Vishnu is narrated> by SIVA to Parvathi.> Parvathi asks Siva what is the easiest way to get the fruit of reciting> Vishnu Sahasranamam and in reply Siva says SRI RAMA RAMETHI RAME RAME > MANORAME SAHASRANAMA THATHULYAM SRIRAMANAMA VARANANAE.> Similarly Sivas Glory is spoken by Lord Vishnu.> It is only we human beings have fixed views in mind. Infact since LOGO BINNA> RUCHIHI we have hundreds and thousands of forms of worship of idols each to > suit ones own identity.> Just like all rivers flow to the sea all types of worship finally reaches> the yultimate GOD SUPREME> LOVE TRC Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Respected Sir I thank you for your valued words which are helpful in understanding the indepth meanings of symbolic pictorial depictions. I would appreciate if you could elaborate some more on the term " dimensions " . Thanks. Vijay Shanker , dmm rao <dyfacons wrote: > > Dear Sir, > I am not telling here who is supreme as it is beyond our human knowledge. But I am here telling what my Guruji narrated once. Lord Shiva is in 8th Dimension and he wants to get 9th dimension which is the ultimate universal source of energy. He told that the energy is personified but there is no question of supremacy. 6th dimension is Brahma state and who ever gets sixth dimension he can create world. 7th demension is of Lord Vishnu who can protect the universe. Again I am telling here this not to tell supremacy of any God but the words of my guruji are conveyed if it is of any help to Mr Vijay that why Lord Shiva is meditating all the time before Shiva Linga. > D.M.M.RAO > > > --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Vijay vijayyshanker wrote: > > > Vijay vijayyshanker > Re: Visnu and Shiva > > Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 7:12 PM > > > Dear all > > Sometime back, somewhere I had read about Lord Shiva and Lord Shanker which I am going to share with all of you. > It was said that Lord Shiv is the Supreme and is formless. Thousands of years ago, our Great Rishis and Seers, who were great realized souls, have depicted this Supreme Power Lord Shiva in the form of " Shivling " . In Sanskrit language, it is said that Lord Shiv means " the Good one " or the Auspicious one " and the word " Linga " refers to the principle into which everything ultimately dissolves or merges. The Linga is that form which the whole cosmos arose and into which it dissolves eventually. Lord Shiv - the Supreme Power (also referred as " Narayan " ) is the nucleus of the whole cosmos who is always at rest. This Supreme Power manifests Himself in the form of Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu and Lord Shanker (or Lord Mahesh) who Generates, Maintains and Destroys respectively. This way we find that Lord Shanker is one aspect of Lord Shiv. This belief gets strength when we see pictorial depiction of Lord Shanker concentrating and meditating in front > of the Shivling - the Supreme Power. These pictures were depicted thousands of years ago by our great Rishis and Seers who were the source of all knowledge in the form of Vedas, Puranas and Upanishads. They had power to see and realize the Truth of this whole universe and for the common man to understand easily, they developed these pictures. > Lord Shiva who is omnipresent and formless is always shown in the form of Shivling because this Shivling denotes the Truth of this Cosmos whereas Lord Shanker (one of the 3 energies of Lord Shiv) is always shown concentrating and meditating in front of the Shivling. Lord Shanker praises Lord Vishnu and Lord Vihnu praises Lord Shanker as some of the members have mentioned in their writings and that could be true as I feel keeping the above fact as correct. > If the above view which I had read quite sometime back is correct, I would appreciate if any of the learned members could through some more light on this and elaborate this aspect in order to remove all the confusion in this regard. > regards. > Vijay Shanker > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva > > > > Please Dr. jaya....take your iskcon philosophies somewhere else. There are books that talk about Visnu being the left half of Siva or being born of iccha shakti of Lord Siva, but of course you will not be ready to hear about that side of the story. > > The fact is the none is superior it inferior. It is your ego which likes to believe that the one you are following is better than the others...exactly the same principle as that followed by Islam and Christians. Take your arguments to their forum. > > Moderator: What is happening here? > > Bhupendra. > > > > > > dr. jaya pyari_h@ > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:52:55 AM > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva > > > > Read more at: > > http://forums. delphiforums. com/jayaradhey/ messages? msg=44.30 > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Tiruvarur Chandrasekaran tiruvarur@ ..> wrote: > > > > None of the Gods ridicule the other. Infact the glory of Vishnu is narrated > > by SIVA to Parvathi. > > Parvathi asks Siva what is the easiest way to get the fruit of reciting > > Vishnu Sahasranamam and in reply Siva says SRI RAMA RAMETHI RAME RAME > > MANORAME SAHASRANAMA THATHULYAM SRIRAMANAMA VARANANAE. > > Similarly Sivas Glory is spoken by Lord Vishnu. > > It is only we human beings have fixed views in mind. Infact since LOGO BINNA > > RUCHIHI we have hundreds and thousands of forms of worship of idols each to > > suit ones own identity. > > Just like all rivers flow to the sea all types of worship finally reaches > > the yultimate GOD SUPREME > > LOVE TRC > > > > > > > > > > > Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel http://in.travel./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 God is one having different names,whether you Pray A or B God it reaches to one only No God is small or Big. mggarga --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Casey <zziegamp wrote: Casey <zziegampRe: Re: Visnu and Shiva Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 4:15 PM Please, don't argue.I think we can all agree that God takes on different forms for its worshippers, whether that form be Krishna, Allah, Yahweh, Shiva or Shakti. My question was merely how to attempt to explain reconciliation between the two aspects of God, not to insight argument.Casey Please Dr. jaya....take your iskcon philosophies somewhere else. There are books that talk about Visnu being the left half of Siva or being born of iccha shakti of Lord Siva, but of course you will not be ready to hear about that side of the story. The fact is the none is superior it inferior. It is your ego which likes to believe that the one you are following is better than the others...exactly the same principle as that followed by Islam and Christians. Take your arguments to their forum. Moderator: What is happening here? Bhupendra. dr. jaya <pyari_h >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, May 27, 2009 11:52:55 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva Read more at:http://forums. delphiforums. com/jayaradhey/ messages? msg=44.30om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Tiruvarur Chandrasekaran <tiruvarur@. ..> wrote:>> None of the Gods ridicule the other. Infact the glory of Vishnu is narrated> by SIVA to Parvathi.> Parvathi asks Siva what is the easiest way to get the fruit of reciting> Vishnu Sahasranamam and in reply Siva says SRI RAMA RAMETHI RAME RAME> MANORAME SAHASRANAMA THATHULYAM SRIRAMANAMA VARANANAE.> Similarly Sivas Glory is spoken by Lord Vishnu.> It is only we human beings have fixed views in mind. Infact since LOGO BINNA> RUCHIHI we have hundreds and thousands of forms of worship of idols each to> suit ones own identity.> Just like all rivers flow to the sea all types of worship finally reaches> the yultimate GOD SUPREME> LOVE TRC Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Dear Sir, Dimensions in meditation are the different progressive stages of energy power. Different stages are meant for different purposes. Shristi, sthithi, laya like this the stages go on. D.M.M.RAO--- On Fri, 29/5/09, Vijay <vijayyshanker wrote: Vijay <vijayyshanker Re: Visnu and Shiva Date: Friday, 29 May, 2009, 2:05 PM Respected SirI thank you for your valued words which are helpful in understanding theindepth meanings of symbolic pictorial depictions.I would appreciate if you could elaborate some more on the term"dimensions" .Thanks.Vijay Shankerom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .>wrote:>> Dear Sir,> I am not telling here who is supreme as it is beyond our humanknowledge. But I am here telling what my Guruji narrated once. LordShiva is in 8th Dimension and he wants to get 9th dimension which is theultimate universal source of energy. He told that the energy ispersonified but there is no question of supremacy. 6th dimension isBrahma state and who ever gets sixth dimension he can create world. 7thdemension is of Lord Vishnu who can protect the universe. Again I amtelling here this not to tell supremacy of any God but the words of myguruji are conveyed if it is of any help to Mr Vijay that why Lord Shivais meditating all the time before Shiva Linga.> D.M.M.RAO>>> --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Vijay vijayyshanker@ ... wrote:>>> Vijay vijayyshanker@ ...> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 7:12 PM>>>>>>>>>> Dear all>> Sometime back, somewhere I had read about Lord Shiva and Lord Shankerwhich I am going to share with all of you.> It was said that Lord Shiv is the Supreme and is formless. Thousandsof years ago, our Great Rishis and Seers, who were great realized souls,have depicted this Supreme Power Lord Shiva in the form of "Shivling".. In Sanskrit language, it is said that Lord Shiv means "the Good one" orthe Auspicious one "and the word "Linga" refers to the principle intowhich everything ultimately dissolves or merges. The Linga is that formwhich the whole cosmos arose and into which it dissolves eventually. Lord Shiv - the Supreme Power (also referred as "Narayan") is thenucleus of the whole cosmos who is always at rest. This Supreme Powermanifests Himself in the form of Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu and LordShanker (or Lord Mahesh) who Generates, Maintains and Destroysrespectively. This way we find that Lord Shanker is one aspect of LordShiv. This belief gets strength when we see pictorial depiction of LordShanker concentrating and meditating in front> of the Shivling - the Supreme Power. These pictures were depictedthousands of years ago by our great Rishis and Seers who were the sourceof all knowledge in the form of Vedas, Puranas and Upanishads. They hadpower to see and realize the Truth of this whole universe and for thecommon man to understand easily, they developed these pictures.> Lord Shiva who is omnipresent and formless is always shown in theform of Shivling because this Shivling denotes the Truth of this Cosmoswhereas Lord Shanker (one of the 3 energies of Lord Shiv) is alwaysshown concentrating and meditating in front of the Shivling. LordShanker praises Lord Vishnu and Lord Vihnu praises Lord Shanker as someof the members have mentioned in their writings and that could be trueas I feel keeping the above fact as correct.> If the above view which I had read quite sometime back is correct, Iwould appreciate if any of the learned members could through some morelight on this and elaborate this aspect in order to remove all theconfusion in this regard.> regards.> Vijay Shanker>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ --------- --------- -----> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva>>>> Please Dr. jaya....take your iskcon philosophies somewhere else. Thereare books that talk about Visnu being the left half of Siva or beingborn of iccha shakti of Lord Siva, but of course you will not be readyto hear about that side of the story.>> The fact is the none is superior it inferior. It is your ego whichlikes to believe that the one you are following is better than theothers...exactly the same principle as that followed by Islam andChristians. Take your arguments to their forum.>> Moderator: What is happening here?>> Bhupendra.>>>>>> dr. jaya pyari_h@> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:52:55 AM> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva>>>> Read more at:>> http://forums.. delphiforums. com/jayaradhey/ messages? msg=44.30>> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, TiruvarurChandrasekaran tiruvarur@ ..> wrote:> >> > None of the Gods ridicule the other. Infact the glory of Vishnu isnarrated> > by SIVA to Parvathi.> > Parvathi asks Siva what is the easiest way to get the fruit ofreciting> > Vishnu Sahasranamam and in reply Siva says SRI RAMA RAMETHI RAMERAME> > MANORAME SAHASRANAMA THATHULYAM SRIRAMANAMA VARANANAE.> > Similarly Sivas Glory is spoken by Lord Vishnu.> > It is only we human beings have fixed views in mind. Infact sinceLOGO BINNA> > RUCHIHI we have hundreds and thousands of forms of worship of idolseach to> > suit ones own identity.> > Just like all rivers flow to the sea all types of worship finallyreaches> > the yultimate GOD SUPREME> > LOVE TRC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with IndiaTravel http://in.travel. /> Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Hello everyone,One more evidence of visnu and shiva are one is swamy aiyappa at sabrimala, he is son of both visnu and shiva, apart from all this still evidence is required to divide if we want to divide, than their is no difference between this politicians and us.thanksLokasamastha sukhinau bhavatu sanmangalani bhavatukumar--- On Sun, 31/5/09, dmm rao <dyfacons wrote:dmm rao <dyfaconsRe: Re: Visnu and Shiva Date: Sunday, 31 May, 2009, 11:18 AM Dear Sir, Dimensions in meditation are the different progressive stages of energy power. Different stages are meant for different purposes. Shristi, sthithi, laya like this the stages go on. D.M.M.RAO--- On Fri, 29/5/09, Vijay <vijayyshanker@ .co. in> wrote: Vijay <vijayyshanker@ .co. in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shivaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, 29 May, 2009, 2:05 PM Respected SirI thank you for your valued words which are helpful in understanding theindepth meanings of symbolic pictorial depictions.I would appreciate if you could elaborate some more on the term"dimensions" .Thanks.Vijay Shankerom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, dmm rao <dyfacons@.. .>wrote:>> Dear Sir,> I am not telling here who is supreme as it is beyond our humanknowledge. But I am here telling what my Guruji narrated once. LordShiva is in 8th Dimension and he wants to get 9th dimension which is theultimate universal source of energy. He told that the energy ispersonified but there is no question of supremacy. 6th dimension isBrahma state and who ever gets sixth dimension he can create world. 7thdemension is of Lord Vishnu who can protect the universe. Again I amtelling here this not to tell supremacy of any God but the words of myguruji are conveyed if it is of any help to Mr Vijay that why Lord Shivais meditating all the time before Shiva Linga.> D.M.M.RAO>>> --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Vijay vijayyshanker@ ... wrote:>>> Vijay vijayyshanker@ ...> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 7:12 PM>>>>>>>>>> Dear all>> Sometime back, somewhere I had read about Lord Shiva and Lord Shankerwhich I am going to share with all of you.> It was said that Lord Shiv is the Supreme and is formless. Thousandsof years ago, our Great Rishis and Seers, who were great realized souls,have depicted this Supreme Power Lord Shiva in the form of "Shivling".. In Sanskrit language, it is said that Lord Shiv means "the Good one" orthe Auspicious one "and the word "Linga" refers to the principle intowhich everything ultimately dissolves or merges. The Linga is that formwhich the whole cosmos arose and into which it dissolves eventually. Lord Shiv - the Supreme Power (also referred as "Narayan") is thenucleus of the whole cosmos who is always at rest. This Supreme Powermanifests Himself in the form of Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu and LordShanker (or Lord Mahesh) who Generates, Maintains and Destroysrespectively. This way we find that Lord Shanker is one aspect of LordShiv. This belief gets strength when we see pictorial depiction of LordShanker concentrating and meditating in front> of the Shivling - the Supreme Power. These pictures were depictedthousands of years ago by our great Rishis and Seers who were the sourceof all knowledge in the form of Vedas, Puranas and Upanishads. They hadpower to see and realize the Truth of this whole universe and for thecommon man to understand easily, they developed these pictures.> Lord Shiva who is omnipresent and formless is always shown in theform of Shivling because this Shivling denotes the Truth of this Cosmoswhereas Lord Shanker (one of the 3 energies of Lord Shiv) is alwaysshown concentrating and meditating in front of the Shivling. LordShanker praises Lord Vishnu and Lord Vihnu praises Lord Shanker as someof the members have mentioned in their writings and that could be trueas I feel keeping the above fact as correct.> If the above view which I had read quite sometime back is correct, Iwould appreciate if any of the learned members could through some morelight on this and elaborate this aspect in order to remove all theconfusion in this regard.> regards.> Vijay Shanker>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ --------- --------- -----> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva>>>> Please Dr. jaya....take your iskcon philosophies somewhere else. Thereare books that talk about Visnu being the left half of Siva or beingborn of iccha shakti of Lord Siva, but of course you will not be readyto hear about that side of the story.>> The fact is the none is superior it inferior. It is your ego whichlikes to believe that the one you are following is better than theothers...exactly the same principle as that followed by Islam andChristians. Take your arguments to their forum.>> Moderator: What is happening here?>> Bhupendra.>>>>>> dr. jaya pyari_h@> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:52:55 AM> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Visnu and Shiva>>>> Read more at:>> http://forums. . delphiforums. com/jayaradhey/ messages? msg=44.30>> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, TiruvarurChandrasekaran tiruvarur@ ..> wrote:> >> > None of the Gods ridicule the other. Infact the glory of Vishnu isnarrated> > by SIVA to Parvathi.> > Parvathi asks Siva what is the easiest way to get the fruit ofreciting> > Vishnu Sahasranamam and in reply Siva says SRI RAMA RAMETHI RAMERAME> > MANORAME SAHASRANAMA THATHULYAM SRIRAMANAMA VARANANAE.> > Similarly Sivas Glory is spoken by Lord Vishnu.> > It is only we human beings have fixed views in mind. Infact sinceLOGO BINNA> > RUCHIHI we have hundreds and thousands of forms of worship of idolseach to> > suit ones own identity.> > Just like all rivers flow to the sea all types of worship finallyreaches> > the yultimate GOD SUPREME> > LOVE TRC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with IndiaTravel http://in.travel. /> Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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