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Hi,Very interesting Question.But tell me why their are so many peoples around you and me. In this world you can be alone with out anyone. Why u are depending on others or on mother earth or air or water or sky or sun or moon, why ? That is why, God is one, but with different incarnations. Why he is created mother and father. You can only be a mother or father, why?.Because though he has created everything, depending on that thing he created his incarnation to worship to achieve the results immediately. Another eg: Suppose if u are working, why do u need manager, why do u need a HR, or suppose if u are doing business, why do u need servants to serve u can only do it right. Or suppose if u are owning shop or something else and u are operating it own,then why do u need help of others who created those items that are u selling

it.This lecture can go on, but my time does not give me discuss. I will discuss later.I hope this will helpThanksLokasamastha sukhinau bhavatu sanmangalani bhavatukumar--- On Wed, 29/4/09, prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna wrote:prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna Question to all Date: Wednesday, 29 April, 2009, 2:37 AM

 

Dear Members

 

I have a question for you?

 

When there is One God who is formless and omnipresent, then why do we read all these stories and pray to the several forms of Gods? Why not just read the philosophy and get all the benefits and good life?

 

Hope all our learned members contribute on this discussion.

 

Warm regards

 

Prasanna Kumar

Group Owner

 

 

 

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this is just channelising, our soul to concentrate, if we were to directly look at something which is not visible or heard of we may not be able to channelize so they have brought about slokaas which rivibrate into our mind with the sound of the aksharas that has been said, then an idol so we concentrate on it to bring into focus the omnipotent then a stage comes when u realise the speech that we have with our soul and then slowly come to realise it is within us, do humanity charitable to see god comes in the last stage when we have recognised that he is there in us and when we help the poor we tend to connect with him easily...this is my view..elders pl excuse if i am wrong here..sundari kannan--- On Wed, 4/29/09, prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna wrote:prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna Question to all Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 8:07 AM

 

Dear Members

 

I have a question for you?

 

When there is One God who is formless and omnipresent, then why do we read all these stories and pray to the several forms of Gods? Why not just read the philosophy and get all the benefits and good life?

 

Hope all our learned members contribute on this discussion.

 

Warm regards

 

Prasanna Kumar

Group Owner

[Guest guest]

dear shivbhakt prasanna garu

om namo bhagawate rudraya

 

i bow to the shiva in you.

 

you have asked an excellent query and am happy to answer as to why there are

various forms of god and why we worship so many forms.

 

you find electricity (power) coming from the clouds and lightening (space), from

sun (solar), from wind (air), form water (hydro), from earth (coal) and from

other feedstocks like gas, naphtha, diesel, fuel oil etc. but the power or

electricity is never seen albeit it is produced, transmitted and applied through

various appliances and is enjoyed by the natives.

 

as per the vedas, the entire universe has only one atman who dwells in all

SENTIENT beings including humans. but very rarely one realises that there is a

god in us and keep searching for god elsehwere and everywhere. this is due to

ignorance. however, when an ordinary layman finds a human who has extraordinary

stregth, love, compassion he becomes a god instantly. jesus is a god for

christians. saibaba is a god for us. king rama is a god. yadav king krishna

too is a god. king siddhardha who became buddha too is a god. let me restate

that all these examples are evidently recorded in the recent HISTORY and not

mythology.

 

hundred crore indians accept mohandas karamchand gandhi as their father of the

nation and worship his photo in all schools.

 

a boy named neelkanth who wandered through the himalayas and attained god

realisation and travelled across the country like adi sankara, has become

swaminarayan and his followers worship him instead of gods and they have the

most richest temples in the world like akshardham.

 

ramakrishna worshipped the form of goddess kali as if she was his mother and

even used to offer food and sometimes the food too vanished which others say

that mother had taken it.

 

accordingly, various other forms of god were worshipped, preached and advised by

these great men which laymen simply follow. you have the choice of following

only one diety or follow thousand forms but whichever form you worship, it goes

to the same almighty.

 

shivbhakts greet one another with " we bow to the shiva in you " which adi sankara

praticed and preached while bowing to lord shiva in the form of chandala in

kasi.

 

in view of the above, the truth is that the same god is as omnipresent as all

sentient creatures are gods which is why we shall love all and hate none.

whether to worship all or not is individual choice. for convenience christians

worhsip only jesus, muslims worship only allah, buddhists worship only buddha

etc.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

, " prasanna kumar "

<groupowner.prasanna wrote:

>

> Dear Members

>

> I have a question for you?

>

> When there is One God who is formless and omnipresent, then why do we read all

these stories and pray to the several forms of Gods? Why not just read the

philosophy and get all the benefits and good life?

>

> Hope all our learned members contribute on this discussion.

>

> Warm regards

>

> Prasanna Kumar

> Group Owner

>

[Guest guest]

The Devas manifest in different forms according to our understanding. They are very real and manifestations of the supreme God. But they are not different at all. Worship of them is the same as worship of Siva, Visnu or Bramha.... and it signifies respect and love of what we are given om bhur bhuvah swaha tat savitur varenyam bhargo devasya dhimahi dhiyo yo na pracodayat (prayer for peace and prosperity(gayatri mantra) 352 351 4939 www.dontforgettotakeyourvitamins.com/nataraj36017

 

 

--- On Wed, 29/4/09, Ganesh Goardhan <ganeshgoardhan wrote:

Ganesh Goardhan <ganeshgoardhanRe: Question to all Date: Wednesday, 29 April, 2009, 8:23 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I HAVE BEEN ASKED THIS QUESTION BY MANY PEOPLE ESPECIALLY MUSLIMS.

 

THERE IS A BASIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HINDUISM AND OTHER RELIGIONS. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD IN OTHER RELIGIONS BUT MANY IN HINDUISM.

 

MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT IN HINDUISM EACH AND EVERY ASPECT OF LIFE IS GIVEN IMPORTANCE AND IT IS PERSONIFIED AS GOD.YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS BY FEW EXAMPLES:

 

SUN WHICH IS THE MAIN SOURCE OF ENERGY TO ALL ANMALS ,HUMANS,PLANTS

TREATED AS SURYA DEVATA AND KONARK TEMPLE IS BUILT FOR THIS.

 

SIMILARLY VARUN DEVATA, VAYU DEVATA,AGNI DEVATA AND MANY MORE.

 

EVEN SOME ANIMALS LIKE SNAKE WHICH IS THE BEST FRIEND OF FARMER SINCE IT CONTROLS RAT POPULATION IS TREATED AS NAG DEVATA.COW IS WORSHIPPED BECAUSE IT IS RESPOSIBLE FOR THE BIRTH OF DRAUGHT ANIMALS IN FARMING. OX IS GIVEN DUE IMPORTANCE.

 

SO WHICH EVER THING IS HELPFUL TO US IS TREATED AS GOD AND IS WORSHIPPED. THIS WORSHIP IS NOTHING BUT THANKSGIVING CEREMONY TO THEM.

 

THIS WAY HINDUISM IS VERY LIBERAL IN ACKNOWLEDGING EVERYTHING.

 

OTHER RELIGIONS TREAT THESE AS GODS CREATION FOR THE USE OF HUMAN BEINGS . SO THEY ONLY PRAY GOD FOR THIS INSTEAD OF THANKING EACH AND EVERYBODY.

 

SO IN ESSENCE YOU FOLLOW ANY RELIGION BASIC CONCEPT IS SAME.--- On Wed, 4/29/09, prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna @gmail.com> wrote:

prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna @gmail.com>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Question to allom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, April 29, 2009, 2:37 AM

 

 

Dear MembersI have a question for you?When there is One God who is formless and omnipresent, then why do we read all these stories and pray to the several forms of Gods? Why not just read the philosophy and get all the benefits and good life?Hope all our learned members contribute on this discussion.Warm regardsPrasanna KumarGroup Owner

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Arjun Pundit ji is absolutely right, I want to add another point to what has been discussed so far, we should not believe that vedas, puranas, Gita and mythology etc are just stories created by our ancestors to educate us and move us in the right direction, Most of these stories actually happened and are true and there is evidence to some of these.

 

I believe that there is one formless absolute god or divine force but this force has manifested in many divine forms and divine beings, there is a divine kingdom that has manifested from this absolute divine, this kingdom is real and has a hierarchy, this is clearly evident in all the scriptures and we all know.

 

When I was a child I used to laugh at old people when they used to tell about pancha bhootas and thadastu devatas, I used to wonder how come there is a god for wind and water? you can call it god or nature but certainly there is this force, Spritually evolved beings (human) have the ability to contact the higher energies or divine beings or higher consciousness, they have the divine ability to change nature or manipulate it if required, that is the super natural power they possess, they use this power to help the humanty and put them in the right track. These are the miracles we see done by a lot of spritually advanced people.

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

Divakar.

 

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Re: Question to all Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 11:59 PM

 

 

dear shivbhakt prasanna garuom namo bhagawate rudrayai bow to the shiva in you.you have asked an excellent query and am happy to answer as to why there are various forms of god and why we worship so many forms.you find electricity (power) coming from the clouds and lightening (space), from sun (solar), from wind (air), form water (hydro), from earth (coal) and from other feedstocks like gas, naphtha, diesel, fuel oil etc. but the power or electricity is never seen albeit it is produced, transmitted and applied through various appliances and is enjoyed by the natives.as per the vedas, the entire universe has only one atman who dwells in all SENTIENT beings including humans. but very rarely one realises that there is a god in us and keep searching for god elsehwere and everywhere. this is due to ignorance. however, when an ordinary layman finds a human who has extraordinary stregth, love, compassion he becomes a god

instantly. jesus is a god for christians. saibaba is a god for us. king rama is a god. yadav king krishna too is a god. king siddhardha who became buddha too is a god. let me restate that all these examples are evidently recorded in the recent HISTORY and not mythology.hundred crore indians accept mohandas karamchand gandhi as their father of the nation and worship his photo in all schools.a boy named neelkanth who wandered through the himalayas and attained god realisation and travelled across the country like adi sankara, has become swaminarayan and his followers worship him instead of gods and they have the most richest temples in the world like akshardham.ramakrishna worshipped the form of goddess kali as if she was his mother and even used to offer food and sometimes the food too vanished which others say that mother had taken it.accordingly, various other forms of god were worshipped, preached and advised by these

great men which laymen simply follow. you have the choice of following only one diety or follow thousand forms but whichever form you worship, it goes to the same almighty.shivbhakts greet one another with "we bow to the shiva in you" which adi sankara praticed and preached while bowing to lord shiva in the form of chandala in kasi.in view of the above, the truth is that the same god is as omnipresent as all sentient creatures are gods which is why we shall love all and hate none. whether to worship all or not is individual choice. for convenience christians worhsip only jesus, muslims worship only allah, buddhists worship only buddha etc.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy .comom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "prasanna kumar" <groupowner. prasanna@ ...> wrote:>>

Dear Members> > I have a question for you?> > When there is One God who is formless and omnipresent, then why do we read all these stories and pray to the several forms of Gods? Why not just read the philosophy and get all the benefits and good life?> > Hope all our learned members contribute on this discussion.> > Warm regards> > Prasanna Kumar> Group Owner>

[Guest guest]

In this world all the people do not have the same temparament. Their attitude, living style and way to look towards life is different. A person likes himself a lot and like to mingle or be with the person similar to him. Now in hinduism there are so many Gods with who are different in their own way. Now the person naturally goes to the God whom he thinks same as him. He is not forced to pray to God in one style only. As is his living style, so he can continue and pray as well. Not changing but being himself.

 

Now a simple person would worship the lord of simplicity (Shiva). A rich person may want to worship a God who is associated with wealth and so on.

 

Also when God takes different form in this world to remove evil and bring back Dharma. The form he takes is given a name by the devotee to the same God.

 

So at the end of the day the one God is given different name by us.

 

Regards

Dinesh--- On Wed, 4/29/09, prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna wrote:

prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna Question to all Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 8:07 AM

 

 

Dear MembersI have a question for you?When there is One God who is formless and omnipresent, then why do we read all these stories and pray to the several forms of Gods? Why not just read the philosophy and get all the benefits and good life?Hope all our learned members contribute on this discussion.Warm regardsPrasanna KumarGroup Owner

[Guest guest]

 

Many paths to the One Goal (HinduDharma: Puranas)

The Azhvars sing the glory of Visnu and the Nayanmars of Siva. In the Vedas all deities are hymned in the same way. The Upanishads do not speak much about deities; they are concerned with truths of the Self. Tiruvalluvar speaks about God and philosophical matters and his views are in keeping with the Vedic tradition. But the emphasis in his work is on morals and ethics. As for Tirumular, he does not deal so much with God, devotion, etc, as he does with aspects of yoga like pranayama, dhyana, dharana and samadhi. "Each great man, like each great work, speaks about a particular system, a particular path. Which of these is to be followed? "

such a question arises in the minds of people. Whatever system or path you follow, follow it with faith. Do not give it up midway. In the end it will lead you to the Paramatman. In the beginning the paths may seem different but all of them take you to the same goal. Devar kuralum Tirunanmarai mudivum Muvar Tamizhum munimozhiyum--Kovai Tiruvacakamum Tirumular sollum Oruvacakam en(ru)unar. The same idea is expressed in the "Sivamahimna-stotra". This hymn glorifying Siva is by Pushpadanta. He was a gandharva who, under a curse of Isvara, was condemned to live on earth. One stanza

in his hymn says: "Trayi(the three Vedas), Sankhya(philosophical inquiry), yoga, the Pasupata system, Vaisnavism- people follow any of them according to their different dispositions. Like the rivers merging in the ocean all these paths have one meeting point, the Paramatman. " It is this spirit of catholicism that Englishmen exclaim: "Jevhovah, Jove or Lord!". Jehovah is the Semitic God of the region of Israel, the home of the Bible. Jove is another name of Jupiter. The word "Lord" applies to the God of any faith; it is common to all religions. Realised people in the West also speak that the one Being is the same, call him by any name you

like. If the Puranas are read in an attitude of respect and humility and with the honest intention that we should benefit by reading them, there will be no cause for any confusion. We will gain the wisdom to treat them as works meant for our ultimate well-being.

 

The One as Many (HinduDharma: Puranas)

As already emphasised, the one and only Paramatman is revealed as so many different deities. If one person develops a great liking for a certain deity, another chooses to have a liking for some other. To make a man a confirmed devotee of the form in which he likes to adore the Lord, the Paramatman on occasion diminishes himself in his other forms. Tirukandiyur is in Tanjavur district, Tamil Nadu. In the temple here Siva is seen to be a lesser god than Visnu. He once plucked off one of Brahma's heads, became thus the victim of a curse and was freed from it through the grace of Visnu. In the same district is Tiruvizhimalai where it is Visnu

who is seen to be a lesser god than Siva. Reciting the "Siva-Sahasranama"(The One Thousand Names of Siva), Visnu offers lotuses at the feet of Siva. When he is nearing the end of his worship he finds that he is short of one lotus. What does he do now? Visnu, the lotus-eyed, digs out one of his own eyes and offers it at the feet of Siva. The latter is pleased and gives him the cakra or discus. Siva is called here"Netrarpanesvara"(Siva to whom an eye has been offered); at Tiruakandiyur Visnu is "Hara-sapa-vimocana"(one who freed Siva from a curse). When we listen to the story of Tirukandiyur we learn that Visnu is

a god of great compassion who frees his devotees from the most terrible of curses. Similarly, from the Tiruvizhimalai story we realise that no sacrifice is too great for a devotee- Visnu offers one of his own eyes to the god he worships, that is Siva. The question here is not who is the greater of the two, Siva or Visnu. In the old days we used to have the lanterns in our homes. There were lanterns with glass on all the four sides- or three sides. Let us take the latter type. The wick inside the glass is lighted. The three sides made of glass are painted in three different colours [or only two sides are

painted]. The light burning inside will be seen to be a different colour from each side. We may take these three sides to represent creation, protection and dissolution, the three functions performed by the Paramatman. It is the one Light that is responsible for all the three, like the wick burning inside the lamp with the three sides. One side of the lantern, let us assume, is painted red. It symbolises creation. If we remove red from the pure light of the spectrum, the other six colours also will be separated. This is what is meant by the one becoming the many of creation. Brahma, the Creator, is said to be red in colour. Another side of the

lantern is painted blue. The first and last colours of the spectrum are violet and red. The beggining is red (or infrared) and the end violet (or ultraviolet). Mahavisnu, during the very act of sustaining all creation, demonstrates through jnana that this world is not the whole self-fulfilling truth but the disguise of the Paramatman, his sport. In the fire of jnana the cosmos is charred. This is the state in which an object, without being entirely disintegrated, retains its form but loses its colour: it is like a lump of charcoal. Such a entity as the world still exists, but its own quality, Maya, is burned out and is suffused with

Visnu-"Sarvam Vishnumayam jagat". In Tamil Visnu is called"Kariyan, Nilameniyan"(one who is like charcoal, one whose body is blue). Blue, black and violet are more or less similar colours. The light coming from the blue side of the lantern is Visnu. The third side of the lamp is not painted. We saw that when all is burnt in jnana the residue is a lump of charcoal. But if this charcoal is burned further the ultimate product is ash. It has no form and is just powder or dust. Now the colour also changes from black to white. White is the colour close to pure light. All the colours are inherent in that light, which means all the cosmic functions and

activities emanating from the Paramatman are made extinct, are burned out. Now the Paramatman alone remains. That is the ashes remain when everything is burnt out- that is what lasts in the end. It is indeed Paramesvara otherwise called Mahabhasma. Samhara, destruction, may seem a cruel function. But what Siva does, though seemingly cruel, is truly an act of compassion because he goes beyond destruction to unite us with the Truth. When Visnu sportingly bestows jnana on us the cosmos seems like a lump of charcoal. "Sarvam Vishnumayam jagat, "we say. But now all the sport has ended and we have come to the state of supreme jnana: there is neither

"sarvam"nor "jagat". Now it is all "Sivamayam". It is the one lamp that is the light of the Brahman. When it is seen through the red side of the lantern it becomes Brahma; through the blue side it is Visnu; and through the unpainted side it is Siva. Our great men have in the past sung of the One manifesting as three("Oruvare muvuruvay"). There were great poets in our country who were not interested in propagating any philosophy or any system of thought- they were men possessing a broad outlook and an open mind who expressed their views freely. These poets have said that it is the same entity that is manifested

as the Trimurthi(Brahma, Visnu and Mahesvara) and indeed as the 33 crore devatas. Bana says that the same Object becomes three to perform three functions, "sarga-sthiti-nasa-hetave". Kalidasa clearly states, "Ekaiva murtirbibhide tridha sa" (The Paramatman is One; it is this One that divides itself into three for the three different functions). If we were divided into two schools, the one insisting that the Saiva Puranas alone are authoritative among the Puranas and the other claiming that only the Vaisnava Puranas are to be relied upon, we would keep quarelling without ever being able to take a clear and dispassionate view

of things. "The Truth is One. The wise speak of it by different names". There is no greater authority for us than this Vedic pronouncement. So all of us, without making any distinction between the Saiva and Vaisnaiva systems, must listen to the stories of all deities and be rewarded with freedom from worldly existence. Tiruvisanallur Ayyaval was a great man. His real name was Sridhara Venkateswara. But out of respect people referred to him as "Tiruvisanallur Ayyaval". He lived some three hundred years ago and was the senior contemporary of Bhagavannama Bodhendra. Bodhendra propagated devotion to Rama and

Govinda, that is he taught people to sing these names of the Lord. At the same time Ayyaval spread the glory of Siva by singing his names. Neither of the two respected any distinction between Siva and Visnu. So the two of them jointly propagated the "nama siddhanta"in the Tiruvisanallur. They had respect and affection for one another and established the doctrine that in the age of Kali repeating the names of the Lord[nama japa] is the sovereign remedy for all ills. Whenever a bhajana is held obeisance is paid to these two (first Bodhendra and then Ayyaval) before singing the praises of the deities. During a sraddha ceremony Ayyaval fed an

untouchable. The village headman gave the ruling that he had to bathe in the Ganga in expiation. Ayyaval made the sacred river rise in the well in the backyard of his house. This story is well known. The incident took place on the new moon of the month of Karttigai (November-December). Even today devotees in large numbers bathe in the water of this well in the belief that it is as good as taking a dip in the holy Ganga. Ayyaval gives his own account of how Sri Rama broke the bow of Siva. "Svakara pratipadita svacapah, "this is how he put it. That is Rama broke his bow with his own hands. The story usually told is that the bow of Siva

was cracked by Narayana and that later Narayana who descended to earth as Rama broke it completely. Ayyaval does not like the idea of Siva being represented as inferior to Rama. He does not make any distinction between Siva and Visnu and believes that Siva is Visnu and Visnu is Rama (so Siva and Rama are the same). Logically, in his view, the bow of Siva is the bow of Rama. That is why he says Rama broke his own bow with his hands. All such acts are needed for his sport, he declares.

 

 

--- On Wed, 4/29/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Re: Question to all Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 3:59 AM

 

 

dear shivbhakt prasanna garuom namo bhagawate rudrayai bow to the shiva in you.you have asked an excellent query and am happy to answer as to why there are various forms of god and why we worship so many forms.you find electricity (power) coming from the clouds and lightening (space), from sun (solar), from wind (air), form water (hydro), from earth (coal) and from other feedstocks like gas, naphtha, diesel, fuel oil etc. but the power or electricity is never seen albeit it is produced, transmitted and applied through various appliances and is enjoyed by the natives.as per the vedas, the entire universe has only one atman who dwells in all SENTIENT beings including humans. but very rarely one realises that there is a god in us and keep searching for god elsehwere and everywhere. this is due to ignorance. however, when an ordinary layman finds a human who has extraordinary stregth, love, compassion he becomes a god

instantly. jesus is a god for christians. saibaba is a god for us. king rama is a god. yadav king krishna too is a god. king siddhardha who became buddha too is a god. let me restate that all these examples are evidently recorded in the recent HISTORY and not mythology.hundred crore indians accept mohandas karamchand gandhi as their father of the nation and worship his photo in all schools.a boy named neelkanth who wandered through the himalayas and attained god realisation and travelled across the country like adi sankara, has become swaminarayan and his followers worship him instead of gods and they have the most richest temples in the world like akshardham.ramakrishna worshipped the form of goddess kali as if she was his mother and even used to offer food and sometimes the food too vanished which others say that mother had taken it.accordingly, various other forms of god were worshipped, preached and advised by these

great men which laymen simply follow. you have the choice of following only one diety or follow thousand forms but whichever form you worship, it goes to the same almighty.shivbhakts greet one another with "we bow to the shiva in you" which adi sankara praticed and preached while bowing to lord shiva in the form of chandala in kasi.in view of the above, the truth is that the same god is as omnipresent as all sentient creatures are gods which is why we shall love all and hate none. whether to worship all or not is individual choice. for convenience christians worhsip only jesus, muslims worship only allah, buddhists worship only buddha etc.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy .comom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "prasanna kumar" <groupowner.

prasanna@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Members> > I have a question for you?> > When there is One God who is formless and omnipresent, then why do we read all these stories and pray to the several forms of Gods? Why not just read the philosophy and get all the benefits and good life?> > Hope all our learned members contribute on this discussion.> > Warm regards> > Prasanna Kumar> Group Owner>