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OM NAMAH SHIVAY !!!!!

 

DEAR VIJI,

 

MY SOULFUL NAMASTE TO YOU.........

 

I BELIEVE THAT MODERN EDUCATION IS THE OUTCOME OF ANCIENT TEXTS.

SO THERE IS NO QUESTION OF NO WISDOM OR HALF WISDOM.

TRUE EDUCATION IS ONE'S OWN PERCEPTION TOWARDS LIFE AND THAT IS WISDOM.

WISDOM OR KNOWLEDGE IS NOT ANYONES COPYRIGHT TEXT IT IS JUST NATURE.

PRAKRUTI IN ITS FULLEST UNFOLDING IS WISDOM.

"UNCONDITIONAL LOVE IS WISDOM ",

"POTHI POTHI PADHAT HUA NA PANDIT KOI,DHAI AKSHAR PREM KA PADHE SO PANDIT HOE ".

 

FROM WHERE THIS SO CALLED MODERN EDUCATION HAS COME,IS IT NOT THE ESSENCE OF THE OLD TEXTS ?

MODERN EDUCATION IS NOT THE INVENTION OF TODAY,IT IS THE CRUST OF OLD TEXT.

SO BE WARE THAT MODERN EDUCATION IF DEFINED IN A PROPER WAY IS NO LESS THAN VEDAS.

 

EDUCATION IS EDUCATION WHETHER MODERN OR ANCIENT,WHICH WILL ULTIMATELY LEAD TO WISDOM.

 

THANK YOU VERY MUCH,

REGARDS,

SUNITA.

 

 

 

 

 

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viji <vijivkn Modern education leads to knowledge ...? Date: Friday, 24 April, 2009, 1:12 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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THERE IS SEA CHANGE IN THE PERCEPTION OF OBJECTIVES OF LIFE IN LAST TWO DECADES.

 

WHAT WAS CONSIDERED RIGHT TWO DECADES BACK IS USELESS NOW.

 

THIS HAS CREATED A UNBRIDGABLE GENERATION GAP. AND THINGS ARE SO FAST CHANGING A DECADE IS REDUCED TO 2-3 YRS FROM 10 YRS.

 

IN THIS SCENARIO YOU CANNOT TALK MUCH ABOUT WHAT IS CORRECT OR WRONG. --- On Fri, 4/24/09, viji <vijivkn wrote:

viji <vijivkn Modern education leads to knowledge ...? Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 7:42 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Gaining knowledge / wisdom is not achieved through education,

more so the so called modern education. Knowledge / wisdom is by

observation, practice, understanding and with the help of intellect.

Education is one of the sources but it will be inadequate. The present

day education is unfit for any of these things, it does not improve anything,

including the competence to speak, write, read the mother tongue.

 

K G Madhavan

 

 

 

 

 

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Ganesh Goardhan <ganeshgoardhan Sent: Friday, 24 April, 2009 9:12:31 PMRe: Modern education leads to knowledge ...?

 

 

 

 

 

 

THERE IS SEA CHANGE IN THE PERCEPTION OF OBJECTIVES OF LIFE IN LAST TWO DECADES.

 

WHAT WAS CONSIDERED RIGHT TWO DECADES BACK IS USELESS NOW.

 

THIS HAS CREATED A UNBRIDGABLE GENERATION GAP. AND THINGS ARE SO FAST CHANGING A DECADE IS REDUCED TO 2-3 YRS FROM 10 YRS.

 

IN THIS SCENARIO YOU CANNOT TALK MUCH ABOUT WHAT IS CORRECT OR WRONG. --- On Fri, 4/24/09, viji <vijivkn (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

viji <vijivkn (AT) (DOT) co.in>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Modern education leads to knowledge ...?om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, April 24, 2009, 7:42 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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OoM NamaH SivAya :

The modern education is the study of visibles in terms of calculables. Where as knowledge is not that, but beyond that. When we opine or define that education imparted or the system of imparting education should be subjected to logics, it should be supported by logics, it should be within the ambit or purview of logical conclusions, we fail to appreciate that the education system is put into a boundary of logics. We all are taught by the parents, by the society, from the schools, colleges etc that by education, people get knowledge and become wise.

 

We fail to understand that ‘logic’ is a product or brain and ‘knowledge’ is that which is ‘divine’. Arriving at a logical inference, deciphering or interpreting an idea or a principle should be logical, is the working area of brain. Brain has limitations to provide an answer which is acceptable to all living and non-livings.

 

You cannot draw a boundary and accommodate ‘knowledge’ within that boundary. Once we draw a boundary to ‘knowledge’ by applying the ‘logical’ factor, we are limiting it within a frame work, we are limiting it within a circle, within a place, within a time, within a man, within a society. Thus the knowledge which is divine in nature, gets limited, gets compressed, to the specified sphere and this will be called ‘ignorance’. We fail to apply our mind that there is nothing like small or big knowledge, there is nothing like great knowledge, there is nothing like his knowledge, there is nothing like her knowledge, there is nothing like western knowledge, there is nothing like eastern knowledge, there is

nothing like upper knowledge, there is nothing like lower knowledge, there is nothing like today’s knowledge, there is nothing like yesterday knowledge, there is nothing like past knowledge and future knowledge etc. There is nothing like full knowledge nor empty knowledge. There is no scale of measurement with which one can measure it. While measuring a thing, the measurer (those who measures) is greater and the thing which is measured is the non-greater. For example, if I some quantity of sugar I am superior to that. Thus, to measure the knowledge, it is not possible by human beings.

 

Knowledge is knowledge and it is the ‘truth’, it is the ‘solo’, it is the distinct and it is the ‘one’, it is ‘kEvala’ . It s beyond human beings’, it is beyond any place (space), it is beyond any time (time) and it remains ‘knowledge’. When man assigns it any sort of boundary, any kind of frame, any place or time, it looses its sanctity and becomes ignorance or ajnAna. All the actions of human being are by help of his sensual organs. All senses are failing there, to see, to visualise, to understand it. And this is the reason that generation after generation, it is being sought by man. And what is to be sought in our lifetime is that

only. All other things are easily available to mankind.

 

We feel that by education, your ignorance has disappeared and you became knowledgeable or wise. Education is not knowledge but it is only information. Information is ‘goods for sale’.

 

Generally people think that a new born baby does not know anything and it cannot understand anything. Knowledge in its entirety –sUkshma rUp’ is shining in that baby. We think that knowledge is gained by studying, we think that knowledge is gained by learning, we think that knowledge is gained from speeches, we think that knowledge is gained by debates. But bhAratIya darSanAs says that knowledge in its sUkshma rUpa is in the kid and in the process of his growth, he is growing towards ajnAna or ignorance. We may ask that by education is it not that we get knowledge ? But if we think deep we will come to the conclusion that it is not. By studying more and more, man is gradually moving away from eternity. May be with this in mind, Wordsworth sing that ‘CHILD IS THE FATHER OF MAN’ .

 

We have been taught and we studied that by education we becomes knowledgeable and wise. We have been taught and we studied that by education man will be able to distinguish good and bad, man become sincere, man becomes loyal, man becomes compassionate, man becomes to a ‘do not compete’ level, man becomes happy, man becomes kind hearted, man becomes considerate, man become co-operative, man becomes caring, man becomes sympathetic, man becomes benevolent, man becomes self less, man becomes understandable and appreciate others difficulties, sorrows and pains, man becomes helping nature, man becomes non-egotic etc . This means, by education, I should attain all these qualities. I think no one will have a different opinion to this and will agree.

 

By getting the education, by achieving the education which I have now, out of the above qualities, what I got.

 

Did I become polite, did I become loyal, did I become sincere, did I become egoless, did I become competition less, did I become selfish less, did I develop love, did I start knowing the sorrows of others, difficulties of others, am I been able to understand the pains of others, am I been able to sympathise on others, on their poorness, am I been extending a helping hand to the needy,

 

Did I become a model/good brother, did I become a good sister, did I become a good mother, did I become a good husband, did I become a good wife, did I become a good citizen …. ? ?

 

Who is involved in violence? Is it educated or non-educated?

Who is doing the killings? Is it educated or non-educated?

Who is doing the thefts? Is it educated or non-educated?

Who is giving the pains to the society? Is it the educated or non-educated?

Who is adding poison in the eatables? Is it the educated or non-educated?

Who is spoiling the nature? Is it the educated or non-educated?

Who is spoiling the forests? Is it the educated or non-educated?

Who is cutting the trees and plants mercilessly? Is it the educated or non-educated?

Who is responsible for Sept 11 incident? Is it the educated or non-educated?

Who is involved in war or battles? Is it the educated or non-educated?

 

All these and a lot more ………

 

We have obtained all the latest science and technology. Whatever degrees are available in the institutions, I obtained it. All management techniques I studied (to cheat others ?). In the name of development, in the name of improvement, in the name of style, in the name of manners, in the name of upgrading, in the name of enhancement, in the name of perfection, in the name of advancement, in the name of progress, in the name of professionalism, in the name of expansion, in the name of increase, in the name of enlargement, what we have not done and still it is continuing. You and I receive, accept it wholeheartedly and applaud. I got, to add, along with my name, a two lettered degree. (BE, ME, MS, MD Dr. Er etc) I do all my acts with the ‘ego’ of that two letters and it all helped to harm this nature which I live, this dwell which I live, this inhabit which I live, this land which I live.

 

 

I have spent 1 year in LKG, 1 year in UKG, 10 years for secondary, 2 years in higher secondary, 3 years in degree, 2 years in masters, again 2 years in specialisation. By the time I am 24, 21 years of my ‘best time in life’ I spent for this education. I have been studying, learning from my child hood to end of my life. If the purpose of education is to have those good qualities and if I do not find any one of those good qualities in me, which is mentioned above, can I say that I am a knowledgeable person or a wise man. So if we say that by education, people become knowledgeable,

I feel a bit reluctance to accept.

 

I have spent a lot of money, a lot of my time, a lot of energy to gain this education. Each book I got is of thousands of rupees. But in which book, in which chapter, in which paragraph, in which line, in which word it gives me the answer or solution to my question, or to my suffering that, how to overcome that state which I face in my difficult situation. How to overcome my grief-stricken situation. How to overcome my distressed situation, in my sorrowful situation, in my painful situation and how I should be happy. If all or any of these things are not provided by education, can it be called education….? Then what is the need of such an education…? Just to make some thousands of rupees ….? To make a few thousands or few lakhs of rupees, do all these juggleries are required ….?

 

 

By the time I am 24 years old, I spent 21 years for studying – rather for getting a two letter paper -. After that I worked as a professor or lecturer in a very reputed academic institute for 15 years as head of a department. On the 16th year, the first day of opening of the school or college or whatever that be, if I have to teach the student on the first day of opening of the school, if I have to prepare a students note or reference note, where is my 21 years studying and 15 years teaching has gone..? What is the need of it.. Isn’t it better to go for washing of plates in some

houses….? If that teacher or Professor is to refer here and there, what you can expect from a student who has studied for one year from that teacher or professor.

 

Or, after 2 years in LKG,UKG, 10 years in secondary, 2 years in senior secondary, 3 years in BSc, 5 years for MBBS, 2 years for MD or MS, and again some three years for FRCS and some other specialisations, a total of 27 years education by the time I am thirty years and a 15 years work experience as Medical Director in a super speciality hospital and I approach such a Doctor, when I felt a small pain in my chest or a small difficulty while inhaling, and if that Doctor is prescribing me a tablet based on the strength of the words coming out of the mouth of a medical representative. , who has studied only upto 12th std., who has been appointed by a company just six months back, whose managing director happens to be my friend, if this is the case, why one should go for that job. Isn’t better that I do some job in my paddy field.

 

From 8th standard onwards, it was taught that we should not keep drinking water in aluminium pots, we should not put tomato and tamarind in aluminium pot. Aluminium is corrosive to water, it will react and produce aluminium oxide. This aluminium oxide if gone to your stomach, there are every chance to get ulcer and this ulcer will become cancer. All the doctors, all the engineers, all the MBA / management diplomas, all chartered accounts, all judges, advocates, all professors, all politicians, all teachers, have studied this. And as 10th or 12th standard student, I am also studying it. My simple question is, when all these people

in every strata of life, you and I, have taught this and studied this, why in each and every kitchen, pots made of aluminium, pressure cooker etc are still remaining. Why I and you are not throwing it away….?

 

I have studied a lot. I have a vast collection of books. I have read the best books of all scholars, all novelists. I am well acquainted with the latest observations of NASA. I have read books on almost all diseases, its preventions, its curatives, including cancer, TB, Hepatitis, AIDs etc and all the latest discoveries. But when I became an AIDs patient, alas !! whatever I studied, I found, becomes futile. When I became a cancer patient, alas ……….!!!

 

When I am in deep sorrow, when I am in critical stage of serious difficulties, when I am suffering from mental agony beyond my suffering level, the education with which I am pretending to be answer to everything, if it is incapable to give me a solution for my sufferings, what knowledge I got. If it is not competent enough to solve my problems, what is the necessity of still hugging it.

 

So there is, altogether, an another area which one ought to travel through, to see what is knowledge, to experience what is knowledge. By knowing that thing everything is known, and that is the knowledge.

SARVAM SIVA MAYAM

Best wishes / Vijayanji

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Very very good explanation.

 

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I like to share the readings and i feel this has to be followed, please

go through the readings below

 

Puranas and History

(HinduDharma: Puranas)

 

 

 

Our nation, it is often alleged, does not have a sense of history. In

my

opinion the Puranas are history. But to our educated people today

history

means the history of the past two thousand years since the birth of

Christ. They do not believe that the events of earlier eras, including

those mentioned in the Puranas, are history. Some of them admit,

though,

that there is an element of truth in Puranic stories as shown by recent

 

researches. But these relate to theories like the division of the

Indian

people into races like Aryans and Dravidians, theories they fancy are

supported by the Puranas. The rest, like the miracles or accounts of

supernatural occurrences, they dismiss as fables or as a tissue of

lies.

Since they are unable to comprehend matters that are beyond our senses

they treat the Puranas as mystery.

Now children have no choice but to read the textbooks of history

written

by such people. But I believe that it is not a good to keep children

ignorant of the Puranas. It is not my purpose to say that you should

not

read history, but I should like to mention that the puranas are also

history and that our youngsters have a great deal to learn from them, a

 

great deal that will help in moulding their conduct and character. No

such

purpose is served by the history taught in schools.

One reason why they say history must be read is their belief that

"history

repeats itself". The idea is that the lessons of the past would be

helpful

to us in the future. We learn from history about the circumstances that

 

usually lead to war and about how great civilizations rise and fall. We

 

can be on guard against a repetition of these circumstances and this,

we

are told, is one of the "uses" of history.

The same events are repeated kalpa after kalpa. According to our

sastras,

the Ramayana, the Mahabharata, the Bhagavata, the Dasavatara (the story

of

the ten incarnations of Visnu) and the Puranas are re-enacted kalpa

after

kalpa. Here too we see history repeating itself.

Have we in reality learned any lesson from history, I mean from the

history taught in schools? No. We learn how such men as Cenghiz Khan,

Timur, Ghazni, and Malik Kafur appeared from time to time and caused

devastation in various countries and how they massacred innocent

people.

But by reading accounts of their infamous deeds have we been able to

prevent the appearence of such scourages again? Hitler and Mussolini

rose

to perpetrate the same kind of outrages on people.

We are witness in our own times to governments losing their support

because of charges of bribery and corruption made against them and

other

malpractices ascribed to them including partisanship and nepotism. When

 

one such government falls, another group forms a new government and

they

too lose the support of the people in the subsequent elections for the

same reasons. Here is an example of our failure to learn any lesson

form

history.

History must be taught along with lessons in dharma; then alone will it

 

serve the purpose of bringing people to the right path. The Puranas do

precisely this.

History contains no more than accounts of monarchs and other rules in

chronological order. It does not give importance to their moral

character

: whether wicked rulers suffered an ill fate or whether just and

righteous

rulers earned a high place. According to the law of Karma, Isvara

determines the fate of people on the basis of their actions,

meritorious

and sinful. Such justice is not necessarily meted out during the

lifetime

of a person. The fruits of a man's action are reaped in subsequent

births.

It is not the task of history to deal with such questions, nor do

historians have the capacity to inquire into such matters. Whether a

wicked ruler like Hitler was consigned to hell on his death and whether

he

had a lowly rebirth is a subject for the Puranas. Those who composed

these

texts had the reqisite insight to deal with such questiions; indeed the

 

very purpose of these stories is this, to impart moral lessons. From

history we do not derive any edification.

The Puranas are also, as I said before, history. Besides, they contain

lessons in papa and punya (demerit and merit). In fact, their choice of

 

stories and narration are such as to bring people closer to the path of

 

dharma. Again, the Puranas contain accounts of individuals who by

virtue

of their steadfast adherence to dharma attained to an elevated state in

 

this birth itself. At the same time, they also tell is about persons

who,

by their acts of adharma, came to harm in this very birth itself. There

 

are in fact no Puranic stories that do not contain some moral lesson or

 

other.

"The experience of the past narrated in history are a pointer of future

 

events. The stories of good men who performed virtuous deeds and

benefited

from them should be a source of inspiration for us. In the same way,

the

stories of wicked men who brought evil to the world and themselves

suffered on account of their acts contain a warning for us". Is the

stufy

of history really usefull in this way? It is not. To improve ourselves

morally and spiritually we must turn to the Puranas.

The purpose of the Puranas is not to give [as history does] a

chronological account of kings or their quarrels without imparting

lessons

on good and evil. We do not need such history since it does not contain

 

any guide for the condcut of our life. History must be capable of

bringing

us Atmic rewards.

The Puranas too deal with the lineages of various ruling houses. They

give

accounts of dynasties descended from the moon and the sun (candravamsa

and

suryavamsa) and contain list of successive rulers of varous kingdoms.

But

in most cases only the names of rulers are mentioned or only brief

references made to them. Detailed accounts are given only of rulers

whose

lives have a lesson for us. For instance, the Bhagavata tells the story

of

Uttanapada, the father of Dhruva, and of Dhruva's son, but only very

briefly. However, the story of Dhruva himself is told in detail, Dhruva

 

who is an example for all of us in devotion, determination and courage.

 

English historians dismiss the Puranas as false. But on the pretext of

carrying out impartial research they twist history to suit their ends

like, for instance, their "divide and rule" policy. It is in this way

that

they have propagated the Aryan-Dravadian theory. If the Puranas are a

lie,

what about the history written by these Englishmen? Efforts are going

on

to reconstruct our history. But prejudicial acounts cannot be ruled out

in

these new attempts also. What ever claim the historians make to

impartiality, it is hard to say how far the new history (or histories)

are

likely to be truthful.

Vyasa, who composed the eighteen Puranas, the great men who wrote the

various Sthala Puranas, and the Tamil author Sekkizhar were unbiased in

 

their accounts.

It is not right to view history merely as an account of the rise and

fall

of empires or of wars, invasions, dynasties amd so on. Each and every

subject has a history of its own. But we find that political history is

 

given a dominant place. The emphasis in the Puranas is on dharma and,

incidently, they also deal, in a subsidiary manner, with the ruling

dynasties, with holy men as well as with ordinary folk. They contain

details also of cultural life, the arts and the sciences. The thrust of

 

the Puranas, however, is dharmic and Atmic.

 

 

Regards

Lingaraj

 

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