Relationship between Guru and student.

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Please advise me of the correct relationship between Guru and Student.

 

Namaste and thank you.

 

Joy

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> Please advise me of the correct relationship between Guru and Student.

> guru is the connecting pipeline which connect us to god and we recieve all the

massages from god through this pipeline.

> Namaste and thank you.

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OM NAMAH SHIVAYA

 

I think that the true relationship between GURU and STUDENT is

inconditional LOVE from the SATGURU ...

 

With Peace and Love to you all

 

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Guru is not only the connecting pipeline , u can realise the god in himself, if u have pure love on your guru (who ever it be ) then u feel that he is tha parabrammam.

Arunkumar.

 

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Mr. Amar ,

 

Please Tell me , that

 

should say OM NAMAH SHIVAYA or NAMAH SHIVAYA

 

Regards

Duraisamy--- On Tue, 7/4/09, aadhi amar <aadhiamar wrote:

aadhi amar <aadhiamarRe: Re: Relationship between Guru and student. Date: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 12:06 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guru is not only the connecting pipeline , u can realise the god in himself, if u have pure love on your guru (who ever it be ) then u feel that he is tha parabrammam.

Arunkumar.

 

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OM NAMAH SHIVAYA--- On Tue, 7/4/09, durai samy <john_jairec wrote:durai samy <john_jairecRe: Re: Relationship between Guru and student. Date: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 10:17 AM

 

Mr. Amar ,

 

Please Tell me , that

 

should say OM NAMAH SHIVAYA or NAMAH SHIVAYA

 

Regards

Duraisamy--- On Tue, 7/4/09, aadhi amar <aadhiamar (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

aadhi amar <aadhiamar (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Relationship between Guru and student.om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 7 April, 2009, 12:06 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guru is not only the connecting pipeline , u can realise the god in himself, if u have pure love on your guru (who ever it be ) then u feel that he is tha parabrammam.

Arunkumar.

 

--- On Mon, 6/4/09, delightful12001 <delightful12001@ > wrote:

delightful12001 <delightful12001@ >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Relationship between Guru and student.om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, 6 April, 2009, 7:43 AM

 

 

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Haribol!

And then it follows that one becomes perfected and takes on a chela. Then

oneself is a guru and the student recognized you as god. Thou art god. This

self-awareness is the guru parampara system. In the end we are the god we were

searching for. Please correct me if I am in error. Your humble servant.

 

Pranams

Bhakta Stephen

 

, aadhi amar <aadhiamar wrote:

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> Guru is not only the connecting pipeline , u can realise the god in himself,

if u have pure love on your  guru (who ever it be ) then u feel that he is tha

parabrammam.

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Thank u very Much.--- On Tue, 7/4/09, SATHISH KUMAR <rvadivel_murugan wrote:

SATHISH KUMAR <rvadivel_muruganRe: Re: Relationship between Guru and student. Date: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 9:28 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

OM NAMAH SHIVAYA--- On Tue, 7/4/09, durai samy <john_jairec@ .co. in> wrote:

durai samy <john_jairec@ .co. in>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Relationship between Guru and student.om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 7 April, 2009, 10:17 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mr. Amar ,

 

Please Tell me , that

 

should say OM NAMAH SHIVAYA or NAMAH SHIVAYA

 

Regards

Duraisamy--- On Tue, 7/4/09, aadhi amar <aadhiamar (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

aadhi amar <aadhiamar (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Relationship between Guru and student.om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, 7 April, 2009, 12:06 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guru is not only the connecting pipeline , u can realise the god in himself, if u have pure love on your guru (who ever it be ) then u feel that he is tha parabrammam.

Arunkumar.

 

--- On Mon, 6/4/09, delightful12001 <delightful12001@ > wrote:

delightful12001 <delightful12001@ >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Relationship between Guru and student.om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, 6 April, 2009, 7:43 AM

 

 

om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "joysarahghillie" <joysarahghillie@ ...> wrote:>> Please advise me of the correct relationship between Guru and Student.> guru is the connecting pipeline which connect us to god and we recieve all the massages from god through this pipeline. > Namaste and thank you.> > amit>

 

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Dharma

 

Religion

 

 

1

 

It was/is determined by the Creator.

 

It is founded by a human being.

 

 

2

 

It is eternal. It has no beginning and no end too. We cannot live without it.

 

It was born on a certain date. What takes birth must die too, and hence, it will not exist for ever. We lived without it and we shall again live without it.

 

 

3

 

It doesn't go through any modification/ revision.

 

It needs to be modified with the passage of time.

 

 

4

 

It is applicable to all human beings irrespective of their gender, color, culture, national origin, etc. It favors none. Every human being has fundamental right to heed and follow it.

 

It originates from a mortal human being, and therefore, it's likely to be preferential to a section of the human population. It may have discriminatory clauses.

 

 

5

 

The world is dependent on it like it depends on the sun, air, water, etc. It is as basic as anything we can imagine. The day dharma vanishes from the world, the world will vanish too. Dharanat iti dharmah, i.e. dharma holds the creation, the creator being the Dharmaraja.

 

It is a fabrication of a mortal human being who is not likely to be all-knowing and as benevolent as the Cosmic Spirit is. It can certainly not be a basic thing because the humanity managed without it before it came into being.

 

 

6

 

It is so natural that a few wise people can sit together to discuss and search in their conscience what our dharma is.

 

It requires an extraneous authority for its determination.

 

 

7

 

It has universal acceptance.

 

It can never have universal acceptance.

 

 

8

 

It has nothing that contradicts the laws of nature because the dharma and the laws of nature originate from the same source, the creator.

 

It often contradicts the laws of the nature.

 

 

9

 

Its purpose is to guide the humanity towards righteousness for our overall personal and collective good.

 

Its purpose may be the selfish interest of an individual or a group of individuals.

 

 

10

 

It brings universal love, brotherhood and peace among the entire humanity as parents desire in their family.

 

It often causes conflicts and strife leading to wars among followers of different religions.

 

 

11

 

It can be understood by an intelligent person through his/her intellectual faculties.

 

It discourages us to use our intellectual faculties. It requires blind faith in a human being.

 

 

12

 

It appeals to the natural human compassion and love.

 

It may give rise to hatred among its followers towards the followers of other religions.

 

 

13

 

It encourages us to know and understand the Cosmic Spirit and to be in communion with Him directly.

 

It gives importance to a human being, past or present and positions that man between us and the Cosmic Spirit. Thus, it creates an artificial distance between 'me and God.'

 

 

14

 

One is encouraged to maintain pure innocence to see and enjoy every event as a miracle, such as a bud blossoming into a flower.

 

It brings in false concepts of miracles and thereby snatches away our pure innocence, encouraging irrationality, blind faith, conceit and hypocrisy.

 

 

15

 

There is considerable individual freedom for personal growth provided it doesn't hurt others.

 

There is no freedom because there is fear that an individual may become equal or even superior to the person who founded that religion.

 

 

16

 

One can follow dharma anytime, anywhere at any age.

 

One must go through certain rituals to be initiated into a religion. There may not be an appropriate guideline applicable to every place and at all times.

 

 

17

 

If dharma sees its decline then …

 

…..religions flourish and create havoc for the noble people.

 

 

18

 

Dharma is one and only one.

 

Religions are many.

 

 

19

 

Dharma gives rise to higher moral and intellectual stature.

 

Religions may cause decay in moral and intellectual stature.

 

 

20

 

Dharma is a unifying force towards a global village of the entire humanity.

 

Religions are divisive that the entire earth can become a battlefield.

 

This comparison chart is saved from some mail I received.

 

 

anilbhanot <abhanot wrote:

Dr Raj Pandit Sharma ji

 

Brilliant as ever! Thank you for that explanantion and analysis. I did suspect that the 3 not included would be covered by the 10 which you have pointed out so correctly.

 

It is not that the 3 kaxan were not there in Dharma but the sub-laxan's 3 are merely in religion. The article was wrong to suggest that Manu did not include them in Dharma.

 

anil bhanot

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Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:48 PM

RE: dharma vs religions

 

Namaskar

 

Anil ji the ten attributes (lakshan) of Dharma are described in this verse from the Smriti

 

“dhriti kshama damo stute yai shaucamindri nigrah dhividya satyakrodho dashakam dharma lakshanamâ€

 

1. Dhriti-patience, tolerance

2. Kshama-forgiveness

3. Dama-self control

4. Asteya non-stealing, honesty integrity

5. Shaucha-cleanliness and purity

6. Indriya-nigrah-restraint over the senses

7. Dhi-wisdom

8. Vidya-knowledge

9. Satya-truth

10. Akrodha-calmness, equanimity, non anger

 

I understand that there is an implicit indication from these ten attributes that ahinsa, prem (love) and Shanti (peace and tranquillity) are included.

 

“Ahinsa†is often misunderstood in Sanatan Dharma and I would like to offer my analysis.

 

Ahinsa is a Sanskrit term and concept, which is central to Sanatana Dharma. Now the etymology:ahinsA = a + hinsaaa = Not or non-, hinsaa = MALICIOUS violence. It is NOT just violence. For example, a Peregrine Falcon swooping on a field rabbit or a bird carrying a worm to its nest to feed its children most certainly constitutes violence. However, it does NOT constitute hinsaa.Malice or malice aforethought is an essential ingredient of hinsaa. Thus, an action may itself be violent, but when necessary and carried out with total detachment it does not contravene dharma.This is the concept enshrined as 'mens rae' in the British justice system. To qualify as murder, not only

the killing has to be established but also a deliberate intent to kill must be established.

 

"hinsA" or violence, injury, harm etc. is categorised in three ways,1. Mansik (mental) as `" bearing malice†(mens rea-guilty mind)2. Vaachik (verbal), as "abusive language"3. Karmik, (actual) as `" acts of violenceâ€That is why it is important to realise that 'ahinsA' does not equate to "non-violence" or inaction, just as 'dharma' does not equate to 'religion'.

 

Derivation of 'hinsA in my humble opinion is from the Sanskrit verb 'hins' meaning to "injure, kill or harm,†e.g. hinsati-he injures. In the itihaas such as Mahabharata, it appears as 'hinasti', which may be interpreted as "to degrade.â€

 

Prem (love) emanates from tolerance and forgiveness, which are two of the lakshan described by Manuji and shanti or peace will come if one observes all the attributes of Dharma.

 

What the author of the article has failed to recognise is that just as all other colours are derived from the primary colours, similarly these ten attributes are the building blocks of all Dharma and all other qualities will arise (such as love, compassion, peace etc.) by following Dharma.

 

The other religions have not invented these basic parameters, they simply revamp them and present them to unwitting followers as something new, whereas in reality they are the original tenets of Dharma laid down by aadi Manu.

 

Raj Pandit Sharma

 

 

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Unitedhindufront (AT) googl (DOT) comSubject: Re: dharma vs religions

 

The document attached said:

"holy braham Rishi manu under his own authority of being a braham rishi has written ten laxan of dharma but he did not include ahinsa, prem and Shanti in those 10 symptoms of dharma. But the religions are surviving on these three only. So when the propagators of religions wanted to float a religion they saw what is not said so far and they found holy braham rishi manu has excluded these three so they picked them up.

And they are wrong.Now the big question… and that is -why Holy braham rishi manu did not include the three laxans viz ahinsa, prem and Shanti in his 10 laxan of dharma is a big- big question."

 

Can someone tell us what exactly were the 10 laxan of Dharma, the file attached says that ahimsa, prem and shanti are not in the 10 symptoms of dharma but it does not say which 10 are in dharma.

 

anil bhanot

 

 

 

 

 

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dharma vs religions

 

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AumNamasteSorry to intervene here but I am afraid this is not entirely correct.When an individual's consciousness ascends to the conscious recognition of the higher self (god if you like), one's higher self becomes the guru ! After this, when one has immersed one self, in this consciousness repeatedly and has purified oneself to consciously communicate with same, THEN one becomes fit to be a REAL guru.. --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Bummer1962 <bummer1962 wrote:Bummer1962 <bummer1962 Re: Relationship between Guru and student. Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 2:32 PM

 

Haribol!

And then it follows that one becomes perfected and takes on a chela. Then oneself is a guru and the student recognized you as god. Thou art god. This self-awareness is the guru parampara system. In the end we are the god we were searching for. Please correct me if I am in error. Your humble servant.

 

Pranams

Bhakta Stephen

 

om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, aadhi amar <aadhiamar@. ..> wrote:

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> Guru is not only the connecting pipeline , u can realise the god in himself, if u have pure love on your guru (who ever it be ) then u feel that he is tha parabrammam..

> Arunkumar.

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