Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Hari Malla <harimallainfratherm <bioacousticsTuesday, March 17, 2009 8:51:30 AMRe: Spring Equnox & Ram Navmi. Dear Shabnamji, Namaskar!The previous mail was short so I am doing it again here. Ram is said to be born on chaitra sukla navami.The full moon after that chaitra purnima is the actual lunar equinox celebrated as Hanuman jayanti,Vishuvat snan or start of Baisakh snan.becausse there is relationship of nakshyatra and full moon chaitra full moon falls on or near chitra nakshyatra..This chitra nakshyatra is opposite to mesh sankranti of Baisakh 1. This Baisakh 1 is the solar spring equinox as it is thought of traditionally.But nowadays,March 20 is chaitra (solar) 7th.,which is the actual solar equinox now a days. Some 1700 years ago in 285 AD spring equinox used to fall on solar Baisakh 1 or Mesh sankranti.It has moved 24 days by ayan chalan which moves 1 day in 71 years (or 1 degree in 72 years). Thus Ram navami is say 6 days before the spring equinox, so that the moon falls on punarvasi nakshyatra or pushya nakshyatra.The exact point of uttarayan is the third pada of punarvasu.Thus Ram's birth is said to be when the moon falls on uttarayan point punarvasu and the sun falls on near Mesh sankranti or spring equinox. By the western calender,EAch full moon fallls from the first to the last of of each month.The full moon of March falls from 1st March to the end of March.This same full moon falls from 15 Falgun to 15 chaitra(solar) by our system.Thus since the present equinox is in March, This is the full moon in March or the present falgun purnima is the equinoctical full moon. Thus 6 dayas before that is the present Ram navami.This Falgun sukla navami should be renamed as chaitra sukla navami to keep our dharma shastra as it is.Thus we have to shift all our dates (solar and lunar) and festivals one month backward. It would be my pleasure to answer more.This is a very urgent matter to increase the morality and the prosperity of the Hindus in general.Thankyou. Sincerely yours, Hari Malla infratherm <bioacousticsharimallaSent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:18:04 AMSpring Equnox & Ram Navmi. Dear Hari Malla Sir, I am taking the liberty to write to you off list because what you have written is of great interest to me & I can see from the lack of response on the group site, that not many other members resonate with this subject anyway, so I hope you don't mind me writing. Since you have written about the festivals being out of sequence, I am certain that you must have put some thought to it & hopefully have some ideas to share. Like you I too believe that we are celebrating festivals at the wrong time but I don't know enough about the calculations of panchagams to figure it out all by myself. For e.g. The spring Equinox is on the 20th of March. This is also the Navami tithi but the naksahtra is Purva Ashad instead of Punarvasu which is supposed to be the Nakshatra of Ramji`s birth. & just suppose 20th march is Ram Navmi, then Hanumanjayanthi would be 26th March on Chaitra Shukla Amavasya instead of Purnima & Akshay Teej would be Krishna paksh 12th of April instead of 27th April which is Shukla paksh. & Vijaya Dashmi would be on 21 June which is not a Dashmi at all but Amavasya. The problem is that we are now having the festivals on the Krishna Paksh instead of Shukla paksh & the Nakshatras are going a bit haywire. I am just a self teaching ignoramus but I have a really great interest in learning about such things. If you have thoughts, ideas, theories, alternative festival dates & don't mind sharing, then this will be greatfully received. I hope that you will write. Harii Om ! Shabnam ---- Hari Malla 14/03/2009 03:24:27 Re: RE: Shiva Sahasranamam? Dear Mr.Vyas, What you say is quite right.I am not sure if you would be interested in what I will be writing to you here.My point is what you have said is right.The purpose of the navaratra are to lead us to mental stabillity and happiness by celebrating those navaratra.The four navaratras are so placed that they fall on the two equinoxes and the two solstices.These four points help us to stop time.Once time is stopped, we can go beyond time to Atma or Brahmah.These are the purpose of the navaratras.The birth of Ram is Ram navami, the moon is supposead to be at the winter soltices at that time.At Vijaya dasami the moon is supposed at the summer solstice.Also the earth is at the spring equinox at Ram navami and at the autumn equinox at Vijaya dasami.Thus our festivals are well arranged. But you know our festivals are out of sequence now due to precession of the equinoxes.This is known as ayan-chalan or ayanamsa in jyotish.We have to shift our fstivals one month backwards to bring them into harmony with the seasons.Let us all work for that purpose so that the festivals are celebrated at correct times and we get the religious fruits of our celebrataions. thanks. Hari Malla Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldharrajya laxmi <rajyalaxmi11Cc: om namah shiway Friday, March 13, 2009 1:27:46 PMRE: RE: Shiva Sahasranamam? On Thu, 12 Mar 2009, rajya laxmi wrote:> There are 9 Navratri in one year. (40x9=360 days of the year) Most> people only know or observe only two, one in the beginning of the New> Year Chaitra (April) and another after six months (in the month of Aswin).> > On the tenth day of the First Navratri (Chaitra or April) is the Janma> divas of Sri Ram or Ramnavmi is celebrated.> > On the tenth day of Second Navratri is Vijayadashami, the day when ten> heads of ego was grought to earth by God himself. Jagdamba Bhagwati or> Shakti upasana, Sri Ram Charit Manas, SriMad Bhagwat Geeta, Durga> Shaptashati, Guru Geeta, Sri Sai Charitra , Ved, Puran any kind of> sadhana is performed.> > Some bhakta observe 6 Navratri and they are Varsha, Sharad, Shishir,> Hemant, Vasant, Grishma.> > Still very popular are 4 Navratri; Ashwin, Paush, Chaitra & Kartik.Thanks once again. I am interested to know what is your pramana for this?-- Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar (AT) braincells (DOT) com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Dear Shabnam ji, Nice to hear from you.The simple formula is that we shift the festivals one month backward and celebrate on the same tithi sukla pakshya and krishna pakshya as they are.Thus you are quite right that Akshya tritiya is on 28-29 March and Chandi purnima is on 9th April. In case of doubt please contact..I am sure you will not only get benefited by the timely celebration, but also will be able to guide other people also to do so.This will be a great contribution to our dharma.thank you. Sincerely yours, Hari Malla Hari Malla <harimalla Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:25:50 AMFw: Spring Equnox & Ram Navmi. ----- Forwarded Message ----Hari Malla <harimallainfratherm <bioacousticsTuesday, March 17, 2009 8:02:03 AMRe: Spring Equnox & Ram Navmi. Dear Shabnamji, I am much delighted to receive your quory.7th of chaitra(solar) is 20th of March which is also solar date.The full moon in March is the actual spring equinox (lunar).six days before is the Ramnavami as it should be.But our old system is to celebrate chaitra purnima as spring equinox and it falls in April.but the spring equinox does not fall in april, so it is the wrong spring equinox.So it is necessary to celebrate ramnavami one month before. thank you, Sincerely yours, Hari Malla infratherm <bioacousticsharimallaSent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:18:04 AMSpring Equnox & Ram Navmi. Dear Hari Malla Sir, I am taking the liberty to write to you off list because what you have written is of great interest to me & I can see from the lack of response on the group site, that not many other members resonate with this subject anyway, so I hope you don't mind me writing. Since you have written about the festivals being out of sequence, I am certain that you must have put some thought to it & hopefully have some ideas to share. Like you I too believe that we are celebrating festivals at the wrong time but I don't know enough about the calculations of panchagams to figure it out all by myself. For e.g. The spring Equinox is on the 20th of March. This is also the Navami tithi but the naksahtra is Purva Ashad instead of Punarvasu which is supposed to be the Nakshatra of Ramji`s birth. & just suppose 20th march is Ram Navmi, then Hanumanjayanthi would be 26th March on Chaitra Shukla Amavasya instead of Purnima & Akshay Teej would be Krishna paksh 12th of April instead of 27th April which is Shukla paksh. & Vijaya Dashmi would be on 21 June which is not a Dashmi at all but Amavasya. The problem is that we are now having the festivals on the Krishna Paksh instead of Shukla paksh & the Nakshatras are going a bit haywire. I am just a self teaching ignoramus but I have a really great interest in learning about such things. If you have thoughts, ideas, theories, alternative festival dates & don't mind sharing, then this will be greatfully received. I hope that you will write. Harii Om ! Shabnam ---- Hari Malla 14/03/2009 03:24:27 Re: RE: Shiva Sahasranamam? Dear Mr.Vyas, What you say is quite right.I am not sure if you would be interested in what I will be writing to you here.My point is what you have said is right.The purpose of the navaratra are to lead us to mental stabillity and happiness by celebrating those navaratra.The four navaratras are so placed that they fall on the two equinoxes and the two solstices.These four points help us to stop time.Once time is stopped, we can go beyond time to Atma or Brahmah.These are the purpose of the navaratras.The birth of Ram is Ram navami, the moon is supposead to be at the winter soltices at that time.At Vijaya dasami the moon is supposed at the summer solstice.Also the earth is at the spring equinox at Ram navami and at the autumn equinox at Vijaya dasami.Thus our festivals are well arranged. But you know our festivals are out of sequence now due to precession of the equinoxes.This is known as ayan-chalan or ayanamsa in jyotish..We have to shift our fstivals one month backwards to bring them into harmony with the seasons.Let us all work for that purpose so that the festivals are celebrated at correct times and we get the religious fruits of our celebrataions. thanks. Hari Malla Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldharrajya laxmi <rajyalaxmi11Cc: om namah shiway Friday, March 13, 2009 1:27:46 PMRE: RE: Shiva Sahasranamam? On Thu, 12 Mar 2009, rajya laxmi wrote:> There are 9 Navratri in one year. (40x9=360 days of the year) Most> people only know or observe only two, one in the beginning of the New> Year Chaitra (April) and another after six months (in the month of Aswin).> > On the tenth day of the First Navratri (Chaitra or April) is the Janma> divas of Sri Ram or Ramnavmi is celebrated.> > On the tenth day of Second Navratri is Vijayadashami, the day when ten> heads of ego was grought to earth by God himself. Jagdamba Bhagwati or> Shakti upasana, Sri Ram Charit Manas, SriMad Bhagwat Geeta, Durga> Shaptashati, Guru Geeta, Sri Sai Charitra , Ved, Puran any kind of> sadhana is performed.> > Some bhakta observe 6 Navratri and they are Varsha, Sharad, Shishir,> Hemant, Vasant, Grishma.> > Still very popular are 4 Navratri; Ashwin, Paush, Chaitra & Kartik.Thanks once again. I am interested to know what is your pramana for this?-- Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar (AT) braincells (DOT) com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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