Siva and kRodha

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doubt : -

 

I heard that SIVA has not become angry (Krodha) at any moment. But the PurANAs clearly says that Siva became angry to KAmadeva and by opening his third eye, Siva lit KAmadeva in fire. How to understand this ?

 

I wish to clarify the doubt to little extent as below. Read it carefully to get it meant..

 

No where it is expressly implied that Siva became angry at any time and anywhere. After the end of Sati, the daughter of Daksha, Siva was in Dhyaana for 87000 years. At that time Bhavani (Paarvati) was in her teenage (Kumari). Siva menas Viswas and Bhavaani means Sradha.

 

“Bhavaani Sankaraou vande, Sradha Viswasa rUpinouâ€

 

Let me attempt to make it clear between Sradha and Viswas based on above. BhavAni is the symbol of Sradha and Sankara is symbolized as Viswas. Sati, is daughter of Dakha in her earlier birth and in the next birth, daughter of the couple Himalay and Mena. This means Sradha has birth, growth, existence, decrease and end, means, Sradha has beginning and end. To make it more clear, today I must be having Sradha in a particular person, in a particular thing, in a particular matter, in a particular principle, etc etc but may be it is not there tomorrow. It may disappear. It may

leave that-one and catch hold of another one, another thing. Once the Sradha is started towards any onething, it may grow, it may blossom, it may spoil, it may vanish and again take new birth as something else.

 

Siva is Viswas. It never takes birth, it never grow, it never ends or finishes. It is there without beginning and without end. Even if this universe is not there Siva is there.

 

While Siva (Viswas) was in Dhyaana, Parvathi (Sradha) was in its Teens (Kumari). At that time one ASURA is taking birth. That is TArakAsura. TArakAsura is sumbolised as Sansaya (Doubt). It is quite natural that when Viswas closes his eyes (towards everything around him) and when Sradha is in her teenage state –kumar avastha- doubts take birth in the society. For example, suppose an husband fully believes his wife in all her actions, say, she is going around everywhere, say marketing, purchasing, social gatherings, get together, functions etc. and husband does not take much interest in all such affairs, and suppose the wife is pretty beautiful and in teens age, people will start ill talk about her, doubts

crop up in the minds of society. We can substitute here wife and husband with father and daughter, brother and sister and the like. At this situation, the doubts coming in the mind of the society is TArakAsura. When the hands of Sradha is given into the hands of Viswas and when a child is born to that Sradha and Viswas, such TArakAsura-like doubts will disappear from the minds of the socity. Only kArthikeya, the son of Siva+Parvati can kill TArakAsura. This is one of the Siva Thathwa.

 

Coming to anger – the word Siva means mangal/kalyaN . Where is anger in it.

Anger is taking birth from kAma. Siva was in DhyAna. Due to the fantasy-like climate created by KAmadev, a small-bit- shiver for a fraction of second was felt during DhyAna and it created a small shake in the Bodha of Siva. This was spontaneously brought to normal. That feeling of shiver/shake of mind during DhyAna was kAma and quickly it was removed/vanished or destroyed. When the siver was felt, it thought, what is that matter which made me to break my DhyAna. Realising that it is a fraction of kAma, it was quickly controlled and became to the normal.

 

Anger is taking birth from desires, wishes, lust. Rather it is the child of kAma or Asakti. When the father kAma itself was destroyed, how the child kRodha can take birth, as kRodha is the child of kAma.

 

Man becomes angry only after he is addict to kaama. Once you become angry and does quarrelling or fighting, will the other person praise you for your doings..? But in all the killings in our puraaNaas, whether it is Taarakaasura or anybody, they praise those who killed.

 

Wherever the word kRodha is indicated in Siva CHARITRA or any other CHARITRA it is to be understood in the context of ADVAITAA SARVA BHOOTHANAM . When the SanAthana Dharma is basing on this, all the words, killings, kRodha etc to be understood in this context. When there is no dvaita ( dual ), there is no kRodha or killings. All asurAs and rAkshasAs are praying the Deva who destroyed him. See in rAmAyaNa, bAli is praising

rAma, rAvaNa is praising rAma.

 

In the sanaatana dharma the killings are not like Hitler’s killings, Mussolini’s killings. The killings are giving moksha and all curses by rishis are the way to reach the paramaatma for moksha.

 

We are studying the scriptures in a westernized way, everything is being looked into with the help of brain, logic, statistics etc. These method of study is not the Bhaarateeya rishi parampara’s method.

 

Brain is a sense – indriya

Logic is product of the sense .

Statistics is not truth. You toss a coin for one thousand times and all the thousand times you get the head. But when you toss the same coin for thousand and one time, it cannot be predicted that you will get head. Or another example, your head is in the deepfreezer, your legs are in the oven, and the centre portion is normal. According to statistics, this is an acceptable situation. But who can accept this ?

 

 

So kindly do not approach the scriptures with our limited knowledge. One needs to get a Guru to know the truth of kRodha, killing etc

 

Trust I could clarify a bit.

 

May Lord Siva bless all

 

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Dear Vijayan,

 

One must remember that when reading Puranas, you cannot just take things literally.

 

There is no physically third eye that Siva has that shoots a beam of fire. Third eye essentisally means knowledge and Kamadev represents sensual pleasures or desires for such. Desires for sensual pleasures may only be destroyed when divine knowledge, or knolwedge of the truth is acquired. Siva is represented always with that 3rd eye....the eye is knowledge.....HE knows all, is the source of all and cannot be swayed by by maya. Sivas 3rd eye destroying Kamadev is just that.....with supreme knowledge, destroy sensual urges. It has nothing to do with krodh.

 

Hope this is helpful.

 

 

Thanks,

Bhupendra.

 

 

 

VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil Cc: vijivknSent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:01:42 AM Siva and kRodha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

doubt : -

 

I heard that SIVA has not become angry (Krodha) at any moment. But the PurANAs clearly says that Siva became angry to KAmadeva and by opening his third eye, Siva lit KAmadeva in fire. How to understand this ? I wish to clarify the doubt to little extent as below. Read it carefully to get it meant..

No where it is expressly implied that Siva became angry at any time and anywhere. After the end of Sati, the daughter of Daksha, Siva was in Dhyaana for 87000 years. At that time Bhavani (Paarvati) was in her teenage (Kumari). Siva menas Viswas and Bhavaani means Sradha. “Bhavaani Sankaraou vande, Sradha Viswasa rUpinouâ€

Let me attempt to make it clear between Sradha and Viswas based on above. BhavAni is the symbol of Sradha and Sankara is symbolized as Viswas. Sati, is daughter of Dakha in her earlier birth and in the next birth, daughter of the couple Himalay and Mena. This means Sradha has birth, growth, existence, decrease and end, means, Sradha has beginning and end. To make it more clear, today I must be having Sradha in a particular person, in a particular thing, in a particular matter, in a particular principle, etc etc but may be it is not there tomorrow. It may disappear. It may leave that-one and catch hold of another one, another thing. Once the Sradha is started towards any onething, it may grow, it may blossom, it may spoil, it may vanish and again

take new birth as something else.

Siva is Viswas. It never takes birth, it never grow, it never ends or finishes. It is there without beginning and without end. Even if this universe is not there Siva is there. While Siva (Viswas) was in Dhyaana, Parvathi (Sradha) was in its Teens (Kumari). At that time one ASURA is taking birth. That is TArakAsura. TArakAsura is sumbolised as Sansaya (Doubt). It is quite natural that when Viswas closes his eyes (towards everything around him) and when Sradha is in her teenage state –kumar avastha- doubts take birth in the society. For example, suppose an husband fully believes his wife in all her actions, say, she is going around everywhere, say marketing, purchasing, social gatherings, get together, functions etc. and husband does not take much interest in all such affairs, and suppose the wife is pretty beautiful and in teens age, people will start ill talk about her, doubts crop up in the minds of society. We can substitute here wife and husband

with father and daughter, brother and sister and the like. At this situation, the doubts coming in the mind of the society is TArakAsura. When the hands of Sradha is given into the hands of Viswas and when a child is born to that Sradha and Viswas, such TArakAsura-like doubts will disappear from the minds of the socity. Only kArthikeya, the son of Siva+Parvati can kill TArakAsura. This is one of the Siva Thathwa.

Coming to anger – the word Siva means mangal/kalyaN . Where is anger in it.

Anger is taking birth from kAma . Siva was in DhyAna. Due to the fantasy-like climate created by KAmadev, a small-bit- shiver for a fraction of second was felt during DhyAna and it created a small shake in the Bodha of Siva. This was spontaneously brought to normal. That feeling of shiver/shake of mind during DhyAna was kAma and quickly it was removed/vanished or destroyed. When the siver was felt, it thought, what is that matter which made me to break my DhyAna. Realising that it is a fraction of kAma , it was quickly controlled and became to the normal. Anger is taking birth from desires, wishes, lust. Rather it is the child of kAma or Asakti. When the father kAma itself was destroyed, how the child kRodha can take birth, as kRodha is the child of kAma .

Man becomes angry only after he is addict to kaama. Once you become angry and does quarrelling or fighting, will the other person praise you for your doings..? But in all the killings in our puraaNaas, whether it is Taarakaasura or anybody, they praise those who killed.

Wherever the word kRodha is indicated in Siva CHARITRA or any other CHARITRA it is to be understood in the context of ADVAITAA SARVA BHOOTHANAM . When the SanAthana Dharma is basing on this, all the words, killings, kRodha etc to be understood in this context. When there is no dvaita ( dual ), there is no kRodha or killings. All asurAs and rAkshasAs are praying the Deva who destroyed him. See in rAmAyaNa, bAli is praising rAma, rAvaNa is praising rAma. In the sanaatana dharma the killings are not like Hitler’s killings, Mussolini’s killings. The killings are giving moksha and all curses by rishis are the way to reach the paramaatma for moksha. We are studying the scriptures in a westernized way, everything is being looked into with the help of brain, logic, statistics etc. These method of study is not the Bhaarateeya rishi parampara’s method.

Brain is a sense – indriya Logic is product of the sense .

Statistics is not truth. You toss a coin for one thousand times and all the thousand times you get the head. But when you toss the same coin for thousand and one time, it cannot be predicted that you will get head. Or another example, your head is in the deepfreezer, your legs are in the oven, and the centre portion is normal. According to statistics, this is an acceptable situation. But who can accept this ?

So kindly do not approach the scriptures with our limited knowledge. One needs to get a Guru to know the truth of kRodha, killing etc Trust I could clarify a bit. May Lord Siva bless all

 

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Dear devotees,

 

I think this topic is catching fire now. We just need to remember that Siva is Sarveshwara and is widespread in the 5 elements.

 

I had asked a question somewhile ago and have not seen a response for that.

 

I would like to know the meaning a particular sanskrit phrase.The words may not exactly be pronounced or spelled correctly. But it sounds this way.Can I request your expert thought on this."Ye Janma Matrunga ithahapi Janmana Bhavishyathi"

 

"Only in quiet waters things mirror themselves undistorted. Only in a quiet mind is adequate perception of the world."--- On Thu, 3/12/09, VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil wrote:

VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil Siva and kRodha Cc: vijivknDate: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:31 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

doubt : -

 

I heard that SIVA has not become angry (Krodha) at any moment. But the PurANAs clearly says that Siva became angry to KAmadeva and by opening his third eye, Siva lit KAmadeva in fire. How to understand this ? I wish to clarify the doubt to little extent as below. Read it carefully to get it meant..

No where it is expressly implied that Siva became angry at any time and anywhere. After the end of Sati, the daughter of Daksha, Siva was in Dhyaana for 87000 years. At that time Bhavani (Paarvati) was in her teenage (Kumari). Siva menas Viswas and Bhavaani means Sradha. “Bhavaani Sankaraou vande, Sradha Viswasa rUpinouâ€

Let me attempt to make it clear between Sradha and Viswas based on above. BhavAni is the symbol of Sradha and Sankara is symbolized as Viswas. Sati, is daughter of Dakha in her earlier birth and in the next birth, daughter of the couple Himalay and Mena. This means Sradha has birth, growth, existence, decrease and end, means, Sradha has beginning and end. To make it more clear, today I must be having Sradha in a particular person, in a particular thing, in a particular matter, in a particular principle, etc etc but may be it is not there tomorrow. It may disappear. It may leave that-one and catch hold of another one, another thing. Once the Sradha is started towards any onething, it may grow, it may blossom, it may spoil, it may vanish and again

take new birth as something else.

Siva is Viswas. It never takes birth, it never grow, it never ends or finishes. It is there without beginning and without end. Even if this universe is not there Siva is there. While Siva (Viswas) was in Dhyaana, Parvathi (Sradha) was in its Teens (Kumari). At that time one ASURA is taking birth. That is TArakAsura. TArakAsura is sumbolised as Sansaya (Doubt). It is quite natural that when Viswas closes his eyes (towards everything around him) and when Sradha is in her teenage state –kumar avastha- doubts take birth in the society. For example, suppose an husband fully believes his wife in all her actions, say, she is going around everywhere, say marketing, purchasing, social gatherings, get together, functions etc. and husband does not take much interest in all such affairs, and suppose the wife is pretty beautiful and in teens age, people will start ill talk about her, doubts crop up in the minds of society. We can substitute here wife and husband

with father and daughter, brother and sister and the like. At this situation, the doubts coming in the mind of the society is TArakAsura. When the hands of Sradha is given into the hands of Viswas and when a child is born to that Sradha and Viswas, such TArakAsura-like doubts will disappear from the minds of the socity. Only kArthikeya, the son of Siva+Parvati can kill TArakAsura. This is one of the Siva Thathwa.

Coming to anger – the word Siva means mangal/kalyaN . Where is anger in it.

Anger is taking birth from kAma . Siva was in DhyAna. Due to the fantasy-like climate created by KAmadev, a small-bit- shiver for a fraction of second was felt during DhyAna and it created a small shake in the Bodha of Siva. This was spontaneously brought to normal. That feeling of shiver/shake of mind during DhyAna was kAma and quickly it was removed/vanished or destroyed. When the siver was felt, it thought, what is that matter which made me to break my DhyAna. Realising that it is a fraction of kAma , it was quickly controlled and became to the normal. Anger is taking birth from desires, wishes, lust. Rather it is the child of kAma or Asakti. When the father kAma itself was destroyed, how the child kRodha can take birth, as kRodha is the child of kAma .

Man becomes angry only after he is addict to kaama. Once you become angry and does quarrelling or fighting, will the other person praise you for your doings..? But in all the killings in our puraaNaas, whether it is Taarakaasura or anybody, they praise those who killed.

Wherever the word kRodha is indicated in Siva CHARITRA or any other CHARITRA it is to be understood in the context of ADVAITAA SARVA BHOOTHANAM . When the SanAthana Dharma is basing on this, all the words, killings, kRodha etc to be understood in this context. When there is no dvaita ( dual ), there is no kRodha or killings. All asurAs and rAkshasAs are praying the Deva who destroyed him. See in rAmAyaNa, bAli is praising rAma, rAvaNa is praising rAma. In the sanaatana dharma the killings are not like Hitler’s killings, Mussolini’s killings. The killings are giving moksha and all curses by rishis are the way to reach the paramaatma for moksha. We are studying the scriptures in a westernized way, everything is being looked into with the help of brain, logic, statistics etc. These method of study is not the Bhaarateeya rishi parampara’s method.

Brain is a sense – indriya Logic is product of the sense .

Statistics is not truth. You toss a coin for one thousand times and all the thousand times you get the head. But when you toss the same coin for thousand and one time, it cannot be predicted that you will get head. Or another example, your head is in the deepfreezer, your legs are in the oven, and the centre portion is normal. According to statistics, this is an acceptable situation. But who can accept this ?

So kindly do not approach the scriptures with our limited knowledge. One needs to get a Guru to know the truth of kRodha, killing etc Trust I could clarify a bit. May Lord Siva bless all

 

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Namaste all.

 

Peacefully meditating Lord Shiva's 'anger' by burning down Kama deva, the Cupid,

has reminded me a few beautiful verses from Srimad Bhagavatam.

 

....... krodho 'pi te 'nugraha eva sammata

 

......Lord's Anger is His Mercy too......

 

 

The translations are taken from:

bhagavatam.net

 

 

 

SB 10.16.30: My dear King Parikshit, Lord Krishna's wonderful, powerful dancing

trampled and broke all of Kaliya's one thousand hoods. Then the serpent,

profusely vomiting blood from his mouths, finally recognized Sri Krishna to be

the eternal Personality of Godhead, the supreme master of all moving and

nonmoving beings, Sri Narayana. Thus within his mind Kaliya took shelter of the

Lord.

 

SB 10.16.31: When Kaliya's wives saw how the serpent had become so fatigued from

the excessive weight of Lord Krishna, who carries the entire universe in His

abdomen, and how Kaliya's umbrellalike hoods had been shattered by the striking

of Krishna's heels, they felt great distress.

 

With their clothing, ornaments and hair scattered in disarray, they then

approached the eternal Personality of Godhead.

 

SB 10.16.32: Their minds very much disturbed, those saintly ladies placed their

children before them and then bowed down to the Lord of all creatures, laying

their bodies flat upon the ground.

 

They desired the liberation of their sinful husband and the shelter of the

Supreme Lord, the giver of ultimate shelter, and thus they folded their hands in

supplication and approached Him.

 

SB 10.16.33: The wives of the Kaliya serpent said: The punishment this offender

has been subjected to is certainly just. After all, You have incarnated within

this world to curb down envious and cruel persons.

 

You are so impartial that You look equally upon Your enemies and Your own sons,

for when You impose a punishment on a living being You know it to be for his

ultimate benefit.

 

SB 10.16.34: What You have done here is actually mercy for us, since the

punishment You give to the wicked certainly drives away all their contamination.

 

Indeed, because this conditioned soul, our husband, is so sinful that he has

assumed the body of a serpent, Your anger toward him is obviously to be

understood as Your mercy.

 

SB 10.16.35: Did our husband carefully perform austerities in a previous life,

with his mind free of pride and full of respect for others? Is that why You are

pleased with him?

 

Or did he in some previous existence carefully execute religious duties with

compassion for all living beings, and is that why You, the life of all living

beings, are now satisfied with Him?

 

SB 10.16.36: O Lord, we do not know how the serpent Kaliya has attained this

great opportunity of being touched by the dust of Your lotus feet.

 

For this end, the goddess of fortune performed austerities for centuries, giving

up all other desires and taking austere vows.

 

SB 10.16.37: Those who have attained the dust of Your lotus feet never hanker

for the kingship of heaven, limitless sovereignty, the position of Brahma or

rulership over the earth. They are not interested even in the perfections of

yoga or in liberation itself.

 

SB 10.16.38: O Lord, although this Kaliya, the king of the serpents, has taken

birth in the mode of ignorance and is controlled by anger, he has achieved that

which is difficult for others to achieve. Embodied souls, who are full of

desires and are thus wandering in the cycle of birth and death, can have all

benedictions manifested before their eyes simply by receiving the dust of Your

lotus feet.

 

 

SB 10.16.39: We offer our obeisances unto You, the Supreme Personality of

Godhead. Although present in the hearts of all living beings as the Supersoul,

You are all-pervasive.

 

Although the original shelter of all created material elements, You exist prior

to their creation.

 

And although the cause of everything, You are transcendental to all material

cause and effect, being the Supreme Soul.

 

Jaya Sri Radhe!

 

, VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil

wrote:

>

>  

> doubt : -

>  

> I heard that SIVA has not become angry (Krodha) at any moment. But the PurANAs

clearly says that Siva became angry to KAmadeva and by opening his third eye,

Siva lit KAmadeva in fire.  How to understand this ?

>  

> I wish to clarify the doubt to little extent as below.  Read it carefully to

get it meant.

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhupendra Ji

Om Namah Shivaaya

 

Sir, do you think that since the two of the other Tri-Dev (Brahmaa and Vishnu)

do not have the third eye, this means that they do not have Divine knowledge or

the knowledge of Truth? Only Lord Shiv has it?

 

And if it is so then why only he is depicted with the third eye, and no other

Devtaa?

 

With regards

Sushma

 

 

, Bhupendra Jamnadas

<b_jamna> wrote:

>

> Dear Vijayan,

>

> One must remember that when reading Puranas, you cannot just take things

literally.

>

> There is no physically third eye that Siva has that shoots a beam of fire.

Third eye essentisally means knowledge and Kamadev represents sensual pleasures

or desires for such. Desires for sensual pleasures may only be destroyed when

divine knowledge, or knolwedge of the truth is acquired. Siva is represented

always with that 3rd eye....the eye is knowledge.....HE knows all, is the source

of all and cannot be swayed by by maya. Sivas 3rd eye destroying Kamadev is just

that.....with supreme knowledge, destroy sensual urges. It has nothing to do

with krodh.

>

> Hope this is helpful.

>

>

> Thanks,

> Bhupendra.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil

>

> Cc: vijivkn

> Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:01:42 AM

> Siva and kRodha

>

>

>

>

> doubt : -

>

> I heard that SIVA has not become angry (Krodha) at any moment. But the PurANAs

clearly says that Siva became angry to KAmadeva and by opening his third eye,

Siva lit KAmadeva in fire.  How to understand this ?

>   

> I wish to clarify the doubt to little extent as below.  Read it carefully to

get it meant..

>  

> No where it is expressly implied that Siva became angry at any time and

anywhere. After the end of Sati, the daughter of Daksha, Siva was in Dhyaana for

87000 years. At that time Bhavani (Paarvati) was in her teenage (Kumari). Siva

menas Viswas and Bhavaani means Sradha.

>  

> “Bhavaani Sankaraou vande, Sradha Viswasa rUpinouâ€Â 

>  

> Let me attempt to make it clear between Sradha and Viswas based on above.

 BhavAni is the symbol of  Sradha and Sankara is symbolized as Viswas.  Sati,

is daughter of Dakha in her earlier birth and in the next birth, daughter of the

couple Himalay and Mena.  This means Sradha has birth, growth, existence,

decrease and end,  means, Sradha has beginning and end.  To make it more

clear, today I must be having Sradha in a particular person, in a particular

thing, in a particular matter, in a particular principle, etc etc but may be it

is not there tomorrow. It may disappear. It may leave that-one and catch hold of

another one, another thing. Once the Sradha is started towards any onething, it

may grow, it may blossom, it may spoil, it may vanish and again take new birth

as something else.

>  

> Siva is Viswas. It never takes birth, it never grow, it never ends or

finishes. It is there without beginning and without end. Even if this universe

is not there Siva is there.

>  

> While Siva (Viswas) was in Dhyaana,  Parvathi (Sradha) was in its Teens

(Kumari). At that time one ASURA is taking birth. That is TArakAsura. TArakAsura

is sumbolised as Sansaya (Doubt). It is quite natural that when Viswas closes

his eyes (towards everything around him) and when Sradha is in her teenage state

†" kumar avastha- doubts take birth in the society.  For example, suppose an

husband fully believes his wife in all her actions, say, she is going around

everywhere, say marketing, purchasing, social gatherings, get together,

functions etc. and husband does not take much interest in all such affairs, and

suppose the wife is pretty beautiful and in teens age,  people will start ill

talk about her, doubts crop up in the minds of society.   We can substitute

here wife and husband with father and daughter, brother and sister and the

like.   At this situation, the doubts coming in the mind of the society is

TArakAsura.   When the hands of

> Sradha is given into the hands of Viswas and when a child is born to that

Sradha and Viswas, such TArakAsura-like doubts will disappear from the minds of

the socity. Only kArthikeya, the son of Siva+Parvati can kill  TArakAsura. 

This is one of the  Siva Thathwa.

>  

> Coming to anger †" the word Siva means mangal/kalyaN .  Where is anger in

it.

>    

> Anger is taking birth from kAma . Siva was in DhyAna. Due to the fantasy-like

climate created by KAmadev, a small-bit- shiver for a fraction of second was

felt during DhyAna and it created a small shake in the Bodha of Siva. This was

spontaneously brought to normal. That feeling of shiver/shake of mind during

DhyAna was kAma and quickly it was removed/vanished or destroyed.   When the

siver was felt, it thought, what is that matter which made me to break my

DhyAna. Realising that it is a fraction of kAma , it was quickly controlled and

became to the normal.

>  

> Anger is taking birth from desires, wishes, lust.  Rather it is the child of

kAma or Asakti.   When the father kAma itself was destroyed, how the child

kRodha can take birth, as kRodha is the child of kAma .

>  

> Man becomes angry only after he is addict to kaama.  Once you become angry

and does quarrelling or fighting, will the other person praise you for your

doings..?  But in all the killings in our puraaNaas, whether it is Taarakaasura

or anybody,  they praise those who killed.  

>  

> Wherever the word kRodha is indicated in Siva CHARITRA or any other CHARITRA

 it is to be understood in the context of ADVAITAA SARVA BHOOTHANAM .  When

the SanAthana Dharma is basing on this, all the words, killings, kRodha etc to

be understood in this context.  When there is no dvaita ( dual ), there is no

kRodha or killings.     All asurAs and rAkshasAs are praying  the Deva 

who destroyed him.  See in rAmAyaNa,  bAli  is praising rAma, rAvaNa is

praising rAma.   

>  

> In the sanaatana dharma the killings are not like Hitler’s killings,

Mussolini’s killings.  The killings are giving moksha and all curses by

rishis are the way to reach the paramaatma for moksha.     

>  

> We are studying the scriptures in a westernized way, everything is being

looked into with the help of brain, logic, statistics etc.  These method of

study is not the Bhaarateeya rishi parampara’s method.   

>  

> Brain is a sense †" indriya

> Logic is product of the sense .  

> Statistics is not truth.  You toss a coin for one thousand times and all the

thousand times you get the head.  But when you toss the same coin for thousand

and one time, it cannot be predicted that you will get head.   Or another

example,   your head is in the deepfreezer, your legs are in the oven,  and

the centre portion is normal.  According to statistics, this is an acceptable

situation.  But who can accept this  ?  

>  

> So kindly do not approach the scriptures with our limited knowledge.  One

needs to get a Guru to know the truth of kRodha, killing etc

>  

> Trust I could clarify a bit.

>  

> May Lord Siva bless  all

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Dear Sushma Ji,

 

My statement was on Lord Siva alone. I do not have the capacity to think hpow capable Lord Brahma or Vishnu are. They are certainly more than I could or anyone oculd imagine. But certainly Lord Siva is the only one shown with a 3rd eye, Lord Siva is the only one referred to as Maha Kaala and is the only one addressed as Mahadeva. There is something about this which is different and mystery to us all Surely someone who is Maha Kaala (or the ruler of time) will determine how things are or will be in the present or even a 1000 kalpas from now.

 

But certaoinly the 3rd eye is not for throwing flames at others.

 

Regards,

Bhupendra.

 

 

 

 

 

Sushma Gupta <sushmajee Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:33:10 PM Re: Siva and kRodha

 

Dear Bhupendra JiOm Namah ShivaayaSir, do you think that since the two of the other Tri-Dev (Brahmaa and Vishnu) do not have the third eye, this means that they do not have Divine knowledge or the knowledge of Truth? Only Lord Shiv has it?And if it is so then why only he is depicted with the third eye, and no other Devtaa?With regardsSushmaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Vijayan,> > One must remember that when reading Puranas, you cannot just take things literally.> > There is no physically third eye that Siva has that shoots a beam of fire. Third eye essentisally means knowledge and Kamadev represents sensual pleasures or desires for such. Desires for

sensual pleasures may only be destroyed when divine knowledge, or knolwedge of the truth is acquired. Siva is represented always with that 3rd eye....the eye is knowledge... ..HE knows all, is the source of all and cannot be swayed by by maya. Sivas 3rd eye destroying Kamadev is just that.....with supreme knowledge, destroy sensual urges. It has nothing to do with krodh.> > Hope this is helpful.> > > Thanks,> Bhupendra.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil@ ...>> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Cc: vijivkn Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:01:42 AM> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Siva and kRodha> > > >

> doubt : -> > I heard that SIVA has not become angry (Krodha) at any moment. But the PurANAs clearly says that Siva became angry to KAmadeva and by opening his third eye, Siva lit KAmadeva in fire. How to understand this ? >   > I wish to clarify the doubt to little extent as below. Read it carefully to get it meant.. >  > No where it is expressly implied that Siva became angry at any time and anywhere. After the end of Sati, the daughter of Daksha, Siva was in Dhyaana for 87000 years. At that time Bhavani (Paarvati) was in her teenage (Kumari). Siva menas Viswas and Bhavaani means Sradha. >  > “Bhavaani Sankaraou vande, Sradha Viswasa rUpinou� >  > Let me attempt to make it clear between Sradha and Viswas based on above.  BhavAni is the symbol of Sradha and Sankara is symbolized as

Viswas. Sati, is daughter of Dakha in her earlier birth and in the next birth, daughter of the couple Himalay and Mena. This means Sradha has birth, growth, existence, decrease and end, means, Sradha has beginning and end. To make it more clear, today I must be having Sradha in a particular person, in a particular thing, in a particular matter, in a particular principle, etc etc but may be it is not there tomorrow. It may disappear. It may leave that-one and catch hold of another one, another thing. Once the Sradha is started towards any onething, it may grow, it may blossom, it may spoil, it may vanish and again take new birth as something else. >  > Siva is Viswas. It never takes birth, it never grow, it never ends or finishes. It is there without beginning and without end. Even if this universe is not there Siva is there. >  > While Siva (Viswas) was in Dhyaana,Â

Parvathi (Sradha) was in its Teens (Kumari). At that time one ASURA is taking birth. That is TArakAsura. TArakAsura is sumbolised as Sansaya (Doubt). It is quite natural that when Viswas closes his eyes (towards everything around him) and when Sradha is in her teenage state â€"kumar avastha- doubts take birth in the society. For example, suppose an husband fully believes his wife in all her actions, say, she is going around everywhere, say marketing, purchasing, social gatherings, get together, functions etc. and husband does not take much interest in all such affairs, and suppose the wife is pretty beautiful and in teens age, people will start ill talk about her, doubts crop up in the minds of society.  We can substitute here wife and husband with father and daughter, brother and sister and the like.  At this situation, the doubts coming in the mind of the society is TArakAsura.  When the

hands of> Sradha is given into the hands of Viswas and when a child is born to that Sradha and Viswas, such TArakAsura-like doubts will disappear from the minds of the socity. Only kArthikeya, the son of Siva+Parvati can kill TArakAsura. This is one of the  Siva Thathwa. >  > Coming to anger â€" the word Siva means mangal/kalyaN . Where is anger in it. >    > Anger is taking birth from kAma . Siva was in DhyAna. Due to the fantasy-like climate created by KAmadev, a small-bit- shiver for a fraction of second was felt during DhyAna and it created a small shake in the Bodha of Siva. This was spontaneously brought to normal. That feeling of shiver/shake of mind during DhyAna was kAma and quickly it was removed/vanished or destroyed.  When the siver was felt, it thought, what is that matter which made me to break my DhyAna. Realising that it is a

fraction of kAma , it was quickly controlled and became to the normal. >  > Anger is taking birth from desires, wishes, lust. Rather it is the child of kAma or Asakti.  When the father kAma itself was destroyed, how the child kRodha can take birth, as kRodha is the child of kAma . >  > Man becomes angry only after he is addict to kaama. Once you become angry and does quarrelling or fighting, will the other person praise you for your doings..? But in all the killings in our puraaNaas, whether it is Taarakaasura or anybody, they praise those who killed.  >  > Wherever the word kRodha is indicated in Siva CHARITRA or any other CHARITRA  it is to be understood in the context of ADVAITAA SARVA BHOOTHANAM . When the SanAthana Dharma is basing on this, all the words, killings, kRodha etc to be understood in this

context. When there is no dvaita ( dual ), there is no kRodha or killings.    All asurAs and rAkshasAs are praying  the Deva who destroyed him. See in rAmAyaNa, bAli  is praising rAma, rAvaNa is praising rAma.   >  > In the sanaatana dharma the killings are not like Hitler’s killings, Mussolini’s killings. The killings are giving moksha and all curses by rishis are the way to reach the paramaatma for moksha.     >  > We are studying the scriptures in a westernized way, everything is being looked into with the help of brain, logic, statistics etc. These method of study is not the Bhaarateeya rishi parampara’s method.   >  > Brain is a sense â€" indriya > Logic is product of the sense . Â

> Statistics is not truth. You toss a coin for one thousand times and all the thousand times you get the head. But when you toss the same coin for thousand and one time, it cannot be predicted that you will get head.   Or another example,  your head is in the deepfreezer, your legs are in the oven,  and the centre portion is normal. According to statistics, this is an acceptable situation. But who can accept this ?  >  > So kindly do not approach the scriptures with our limited knowledge. One needs to get a Guru to know the truth of kRodha, killing etc >  > Trust I could clarify a bit. >  > May Lord Siva bless  all > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! > > > >

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But certarinly the 3rd eye is not for throwing flames at others.How do you know this factually? Do you know MAha Kaala Personally ? If Lord Siva is Mahadeva, then it stands to reason that he CAN do as he pleases, if it suits his purpose !Further Bhupendra, you are limiting Lord Siva based upon your limited perception of him !This is a VERY VERY serious mistake. I understand that you are a tender person but to continue to do this out of misunderstanding / weakness will only lead you into error.In the past I advised you, when doing Manasa puja to visualize Lord Siva's third eye burning your body to ashes and then with what was left of you, to use the Ashes to smear his body. The effect of doing this is to cleanse your own body. It also prepares you for the ultimate transition - DEATH. --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Bhupendra

Jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote:Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna>Re: Re: Siva and kRodha Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 11:58 AM

 

Dear Sushma Ji,

 

My statement was on Lord Siva alone. I do not have the capacity to think hpow capable Lord Brahma or Vishnu are. They are certainly more than I could or anyone oculd imagine. But certainly Lord Siva is the only one shown with a 3rd eye, Lord Siva is the only one referred to as Maha Kaala and is the only one addressed as Mahadeva. There is something about this which is different and mystery to us all Surely someone who is Maha Kaala (or the ruler of time) will determine how things are or will be in the present or even a 1000 kalpas from now.

 

But certaoinly the 3rd eye is not for throwing flames at others.

 

Regards,

Bhupendra.

 

 

 

 

 

Sushma Gupta <sushmajee >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, March 15, 2009 12:33:10 PM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Siva and kRodha

 

Dear Bhupendra JiOm Namah ShivaayaSir, do you think that since the two of the other Tri-Dev (Brahmaa and Vishnu) do not have the third eye, this means that they do not have Divine knowledge or the knowledge of Truth? Only Lord Shiv has it?And if it is so then why only he is depicted with the third eye, and no other Devtaa?With regardsSushmaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Vijayan,> > One must remember that when reading Puranas, you cannot just take things literally.> > There is no physically third eye that Siva has that shoots a beam of fire. Third eye essentisally means knowledge and Kamadev represents sensual pleasures or desires for such.

Desires for

sensual pleasures may only be destroyed when divine knowledge, or knolwedge of the truth is acquired. Siva is represented always with that 3rd eye....the eye is knowledge... ..HE knows all, is the source of all and cannot be swayed by by maya. Sivas 3rd eye destroying Kamadev is just that.....with supreme knowledge, destroy sensual urges. It has nothing to do with krodh.> > Hope this is helpful.> > > Thanks,> Bhupendra.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil@ ...>> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Cc: vijivkn Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:01:42 AM> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Siva and kRodha> >

> >

> doubt : -> > I heard that SIVA has not become angry (Krodha) at any moment. But the PurANAs clearly says that Siva became angry to KAmadeva and by opening his third eye, Siva lit KAmadeva in fire. How to understand this ? >   > I wish to clarify the doubt to little extent as below. Read it carefully to get it meant.. >  > No where it is expressly implied that Siva became angry at any time and anywhere. After the end of Sati, the daughter of Daksha, Siva was in Dhyaana for 87000 years. At that time Bhavani (Paarvati) was in her teenage (Kumari). Siva menas Viswas and Bhavaani means Sradha. >  > “Bhavaani Sankaraou vande, Sradha Viswasa rUpinou� >  > Let me attempt to make it clear between Sradha and Viswas based on above.  BhavAni is the symbol of Sradha and Sankara is symbolized as

Viswas. Sati, is daughter of Dakha in her earlier birth and in the next birth, daughter of the couple Himalay and Mena. This means Sradha has birth, growth, existence, decrease and end, means, Sradha has beginning and end. To make it more clear, today I must be having Sradha in a particular person, in a particular thing, in a particular matter, in a particular principle, etc etc but may be it is not there tomorrow. It may disappear. It may leave that-one and catch hold of another one, another thing. Once the Sradha is started towards any onething, it may grow, it may blossom, it may spoil, it may vanish and again take new birth as something else. >  > Siva is Viswas. It never takes birth, it never grow, it never ends or finishes. It is there without beginning and without end. Even if this universe is not there Siva is there. >  > While Siva (Viswas) was in Dhyaana,Â

Parvathi (Sradha) was in its Teens (Kumari). At that time one ASURA is taking birth. That is TArakAsura. TArakAsura is sumbolised as Sansaya (Doubt). It is quite natural that when Viswas closes his eyes (towards everything around him) and when Sradha is in her teenage state â€"kumar avastha- doubts take birth in the society. For example, suppose an husband fully believes his wife in all her actions, say, she is going around everywhere, say marketing, purchasing, social gatherings, get together, functions etc. and husband does not take much interest in all such affairs, and suppose the wife is pretty beautiful and in teens age, people will start ill talk about her, doubts crop up in the minds of society.  We can substitute here wife and husband with father and daughter, brother and sister and the like.  At this situation, the doubts coming in the mind of the society is TArakAsura.  When the

hands of> Sradha is given into the hands of Viswas and when a child is born to that Sradha and Viswas, such TArakAsura-like doubts will disappear from the minds of the socity. Only kArthikeya, the son of Siva+Parvati can kill TArakAsura. This is one of the  Siva Thathwa. >  > Coming to anger â€" the word Siva means mangal/kalyaN . Where is anger in it. >    > Anger is taking birth from kAma . Siva was in DhyAna. Due to the fantasy-like climate created by KAmadev, a small-bit- shiver for a fraction of second was felt during DhyAna and it created a small shake in the Bodha of Siva. This was spontaneously brought to normal. That feeling of shiver/shake of mind during DhyAna was kAma and quickly it was removed/vanished or destroyed.  When the siver was felt, it thought, what is that matter which made me to break my DhyAna. Realising that it is a

fraction of kAma , it was quickly controlled and became to the normal. >  > Anger is taking birth from desires, wishes, lust. Rather it is the child of kAma or Asakti.  When the father kAma itself was destroyed, how the child kRodha can take birth, as kRodha is the child of kAma . >  > Man becomes angry only after he is addict to kaama. Once you become angry and does quarrelling or fighting, will the other person praise you for your doings..? But in all the killings in our puraaNaas, whether it is Taarakaasura or anybody, they praise those who killed.  >  > Wherever the word kRodha is indicated in Siva CHARITRA or any other CHARITRA  it is to be understood in the context of ADVAITAA SARVA BHOOTHANAM . When the SanAthana Dharma is basing on this, all the words, killings, kRodha etc to be understood in this

context. When there is no dvaita ( dual ), there is no kRodha or killings.    All asurAs and rAkshasAs are praying  the Deva who destroyed him. See in rAmAyaNa, bAli  is praising rAma, rAvaNa is praising rAma.   >  > In the sanaatana dharma the killings are not like Hitler’s killings, Mussolini’s killings. The killings are giving moksha and all curses by rishis are the way to reach the paramaatma for moksha.     >  > We are studying the scriptures in a westernized way, everything is being looked into with the help of brain, logic, statistics etc. These method of study is not the Bhaarateeya rishi parampara’s method.   >  > Brain is a sense â€" indriya > Logic is product of the sense . Â

> Statistics is not truth. You toss a coin for one thousand times and all the thousand times you get the head. But when you toss the same coin for thousand and one time, it cannot be predicted that you will get head.   Or another example,  your head is in the deepfreezer, your legs are in the oven,  and the centre portion is normal. According to statistics, this is an acceptable situation. But who can accept this ?  >  > So kindly do not approach the scriptures with our limited knowledge. One needs to get a Guru to know the truth of kRodha, killing etc >  > Trust I could clarify a bit. >  > May Lord Siva bless  all > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! > > > >

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Dear Dev Maharaj Ji,

 

First of all, it is an honour to have you reply to one of my messages and to know that you still remember me from previous email exchanges.

 

No, I do not know Maha Kaala personally. But what I m beginning to realise is that he has abosolute control. For every moment we breath, or cry or laugh or enjoy or pray, it has been decided been HIM alone. But I would still not think of him taking a human form with the 3rd eye throwing flames at what makes him angry. The rules of karma are laid out, there is absolutely nothing that anybody could do that he does not know beforehand...I see beings as only an instrument of HIS will alone. There are various reasons why someone would get angry....when someones ego is hurt for instance or when someone is hurt mentally or physically or buy seeing someone else hurt etc. There is abosolutely nothing that Siva does not know beforehand so why would HE suddenly become angry just like an ordinary human and start throwing flames? I am sure that if I had a third eye, I would have used it by now a few times. That thought in itself is sufficient to make me

feel that the Lord would not do that.

 

This is of course my opinion, I do not perosnally know the Lord so he doesn't tell me these things. I can only make a guess.

 

Regards,

Bhupendra.

 

 

 

Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:09:52 PMRe: Re: Siva and kRodha

 

 

 

 

 

But certarinly the 3rd eye is not for throwing flames at others.How do you know this factually? Do you know MAha Kaala Personally ? If Lord Siva is Mahadeva, then it stands to reason that he CAN do as he pleases, if it suits his purpose !Further Bhupendra, you are limiting Lord Siva based upon your limited perception of him !This is a VERY VERY serious mistake. I understand that you are a tender person but to continue to do this out of misunderstanding / weakness will only lead you into error.In the past I advised you, when doing Manasa puja to visualize Lord Siva's third eye burning your body to ashes and then with what was left of you, to use the Ashes to smear his body. The effect of doing this is to cleanse your own body. It also prepares you for the ultimate transition - DEATH. --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Siva and kRodhaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, March 15, 2009, 11:58 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sushma Ji,

 

My statement was on Lord Siva alone. I do not have the capacity to think hpow capable Lord Brahma or Vishnu are. They are certainly more than I could or anyone oculd imagine. But certainly Lord Siva is the only one shown with a 3rd eye, Lord Siva is the only one referred to as Maha Kaala and is the only one addressed as Mahadeva. There is something about this which is different and mystery to us all Surely someone who is Maha Kaala (or the ruler of time) will determine how things are or will be in the present or even a 1000 kalpas from now.

 

But certaoinly the 3rd eye is not for throwing flames at others.

 

Regards,

Bhupendra.

 

 

 

 

 

Sushma Gupta <sushmajee >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, March 15, 2009 12:33:10 PM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Siva and kRodha

 

Dear Bhupendra JiOm Namah ShivaayaSir, do you think that since the two of the other Tri-Dev (Brahmaa and Vishnu) do not have the third eye, this means that they do not have Divine knowledge or the knowledge of Truth? Only Lord Shiv has it?And if it is so then why only he is depicted with the third eye, and no other Devtaa?With regardsSushmaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Vijayan,> > One must remember that when reading Puranas, you cannot just take things literally.> > There is no physically third eye that Siva has that shoots a beam of fire. Third eye essentisally means knowledge and Kamadev represents sensual pleasures or desires for such. Desires for sensual pleasures may only be destroyed when divine knowledge, or knolwedge of the truth is acquired. Siva is represented always

with that 3rd eye....the eye is knowledge... ..HE knows all, is the source of all and cannot be swayed by by maya. Sivas 3rd eye destroying Kamadev is just that.....with supreme knowledge, destroy sensual urges. It has nothing to do with krodh.> > Hope this is helpful.> > > Thanks,> Bhupendra.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil@ ...>> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Cc: vijivkn Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:01:42 AM> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Siva and kRodha> > > > > doubt : -> > I heard that SIVA has not become angry (Krodha) at any moment. But the PurANAs clearly says that Siva became angry to KAmadeva and by opening his third eye, Siva lit KAmadeva in fire. How to understand this ?

>   > I wish to clarify the doubt to little extent as below. Read it carefully to get it meant.. >  > No where it is expressly implied that Siva became angry at any time and anywhere. After the end of Sati, the daughter of Daksha, Siva was in Dhyaana for 87000 years. At that time Bhavani (Paarvati) was in her teenage (Kumari). Siva menas Viswas and Bhavaani means Sradha. >  > “Bhavaani Sankaraou vande, Sradha Viswasa rUpinou� >  > Let me attempt to make it clear between Sradha and Viswas based on above.  BhavAni is the symbol of Sradha and Sankara is symbolized as Viswas. Sati, is daughter of Dakha in her earlier birth and in the next birth, daughter of the couple Himalay and Mena. This means Sradha has birth, growth, existence, decrease and end, means, Sradha has beginning and end. To

make it more clear, today I must be having Sradha in a particular person, in a particular thing, in a particular matter, in a particular principle, etc etc but may be it is not there tomorrow. It may disappear. It may leave that-one and catch hold of another one, another thing. Once the Sradha is started towards any onething, it may grow, it may blossom, it may spoil, it may vanish and again take new birth as something else. >  > Siva is Viswas. It never takes birth, it never grow, it never ends or finishes. It is there without beginning and without end. Even if this universe is not there Siva is there. >  > While Siva (Viswas) was in Dhyaana, Parvathi (Sradha) was in its Teens (Kumari). At that time one ASURA is taking birth. That is TArakAsura. TArakAsura is sumbolised as Sansaya (Doubt). It is quite natural that when Viswas closes his eyes (towards everything around him) and when Sradha is in her

teenage state â€"kumar avastha- doubts take birth in the society. For example, suppose an husband fully believes his wife in all her actions, say, she is going around everywhere, say marketing, purchasing, social gatherings, get together, functions etc. and husband does not take much interest in all such affairs, and suppose the wife is pretty beautiful and in teens age, people will start ill talk about her, doubts crop up in the minds of society.  We can substitute here wife and husband with father and daughter, brother and sister and the like.  At this situation, the doubts coming in the mind of the society is TArakAsura.  When the hands of> Sradha is given into the hands of Viswas and when a child is born to that Sradha and Viswas, such TArakAsura-like doubts will disappear from the minds of the socity. Only kArthikeya, the son of Siva+Parvati can kill TArakAsura.Â

This is one of the  Siva Thathwa. >  > Coming to anger â€" the word Siva means mangal/kalyaN . Where is anger in it. >    > Anger is taking birth from kAma . Siva was in DhyAna. Due to the fantasy-like climate created by KAmadev, a small-bit- shiver for a fraction of second was felt during DhyAna and it created a small shake in the Bodha of Siva. This was spontaneously brought to normal. That feeling of shiver/shake of mind during DhyAna was kAma and quickly it was removed/vanished or destroyed.  When the siver was felt, it thought, what is that matter which made me to break my DhyAna. Realising that it is a fraction of kAma , it was quickly controlled and became to the normal. >  > Anger is taking birth from desires, wishes, lust. Rather it is the child of kAma or Asakti.  When the father kAma itself was destroyed, how

the child kRodha can take birth, as kRodha is the child of kAma . >  > Man becomes angry only after he is addict to kaama. Once you become angry and does quarrelling or fighting, will the other person praise you for your doings..? But in all the killings in our puraaNaas, whether it is Taarakaasura or anybody, they praise those who killed.  >  > Wherever the word kRodha is indicated in Siva CHARITRA or any other CHARITRA  it is to be understood in the context of ADVAITAA SARVA BHOOTHANAM . When the SanAthana Dharma is basing on this, all the words, killings, kRodha etc to be understood in this context. When there is no dvaita ( dual ), there is no kRodha or killings.    All asurAs and rAkshasAs are praying  the Deva who destroyed him. See in rAmAyaNa, bAli  is praising rAma, rAvaNa

is praising rAma.   >  > In the sanaatana dharma the killings are not like Hitler’s killings, Mussolini’s killings. The killings are giving moksha and all curses by rishis are the way to reach the paramaatma for moksha.     >  > We are studying the scriptures in a westernized way, everything is being looked into with the help of brain, logic, statistics etc. These method of study is not the Bhaarateeya rishi parampara’s method.   >  > Brain is a sense â€" indriya > Logic is product of the sense .  > Statistics is not truth. You toss a coin for one thousand times and all the thousand times you get the head. But when you toss the same coin for thousand and one time, it cannot be predicted that you will get head.   Or another

example,  your head is in the deepfreezer, your legs are in the oven,  and the centre portion is normal. According to statistics, this is an acceptable situation. But who can accept this ?  >  > So kindly do not approach the scriptures with our limited knowledge. One needs to get a Guru to know the truth of kRodha, killing etc >  > Trust I could clarify a bit. >  > May Lord Siva bless  all > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta. messenger.

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which permits us to think and function. That is why, Veda says he is " samasta

sakshim tamasaha parastaat " .

This body/birth is a result of karta/bhokta bhava in previous births so mentally

burning the body and offering it to Bhagavan seems like a very meaningful puja.

By the way, this topic of krodha reminds me what I recently heard in a lecture.

In Chamakam one of the things we pray for is krodha (don't know the exact

sanskrit word) but it is definitely one of the things prayed for . The

explanation provided is that many times, a clear, unambiguous and firm verbal

expression is required and that is asked for in Chamakam.

 

 

regards,

Shailendra

 

, Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj

wrote:

>

> But certarinly the 3rd eye is not for throwing flames at others.

>

> How do you know this factually? Do you know MAha Kaala Personally ? If Lord

Siva is Mahadeva, then it stands to reason that he CAN do as he pleases, if it

suits his purpose !

> Further Bhupendra, you are limiting Lord Siva based upon your limited

perception of him !

> This is a VERY VERY serious mistake. I understand that you are a tender person

but to continue to do this out of misunderstanding / weakness will only lead you

into error.

>

> In the past I advised you, when doing Manasa puja to visualize Lord Siva's

third eye burning your body to ashes and then with what was left of you, to use

the Ashes to smear his body. The effect of doing this is to cleanse your own

body. It also prepares you for the ultimate transition - DEATH.

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote:

>

> Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna>

> Re: Re: Siva and kRodha

>

> Sunday, March 15, 2009, 11:58 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

Dear Sushma Ji,

>  

> My statement was on Lord Siva alone. I do not have the capacity to think hpow

capable Lord Brahma or Vishnu are. They are certainly more than I could or

anyone oculd imagine. But certainly Lord Siva is the only one shown with a 3rd

eye, Lord Siva is the only one referred to as Maha Kaala and is the only one

addressed as Mahadeva. There is something about this which is different and

mystery to us all Surely someone who is Maha Kaala (or the ruler of time) will

determine how things are or will be in the present or even a 1000 kalpas from

now.

>  

> But certaoinly the 3rd eye is not for throwing flames at others.

>  

> Regards,

> Bhupendra.

>  

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Sushma Gupta <sushmajee >

> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com

> Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:33:10 PM

> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Siva and kRodha

>

>

>

> Dear Bhupendra Ji

> Om Namah Shivaaya

>

> Sir, do you think that since the two of the other Tri-Dev (Brahmaa and Vishnu)

do not have the third eye, this means that they do not have Divine knowledge or

the knowledge of Truth? Only Lord Shiv has it?

>

> And if it is so then why only he is depicted with the third eye, and no other

Devtaa?

>

> With regards

> Sushma

>

> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Bhupendra Jamnadas

<b_jamnadas@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vijayan,

> >

> > One must remember that when reading Puranas, you cannot just take things

literally.

> >

> > There is no physically third eye that Siva has that shoots a beam of fire..

Third eye essentisally means knowledge and Kamadev represents sensual pleasures

or desires for such. Desires for

> sensual pleasures may only be destroyed when divine knowledge, or knolwedge

of the truth is acquired. Siva is represented always with that 3rd eye....the

eye is knowledge... ..HE knows all, is the source of all and cannot be swayed by

by maya. Sivas 3rd eye destroying Kamadev is just that.....with supreme

knowledge, destroy sensual urges. It has nothing to do with krodh.

> >

> > Hope this is helpful.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Bhupendra.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil@ ...>

> > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com

> > Cc: vijivkn@

> > Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:01:42 AM

> > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Siva and kRodha

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> > doubt : -

> >

> > I heard that SIVA has not become angry (Krodha) at any moment. But the

PurANAs clearly says that Siva became angry to KAmadeva and by opening his third

eye, Siva lit KAmadeva in fire.  How to understand this ?

> >   

> > I wish to clarify the doubt to little extent as below.  Read it carefully

to get it meant..

> >  

> > No where it is expressly implied that Siva became angry at any time and

anywhere. After the end of Sati, the daughter of Daksha, Siva was in Dhyaana for

87000 years. At that time Bhavani (Paarvati) was in her teenage (Kumari). Siva

menas Viswas and Bhavaani means Sradha.

> >  

> >  " Bhavaani Sankaraou vande, Sradha Viswasa rUpinou� 

> >  

> > Let me attempt to make it clear between Sradha and Viswas based on above.

 BhavAni is the symbol of  Sradha and Sankara is symbolized as

> Viswas.  Sati, is daughter of Dakha in her earlier birth and in the next

birth, daughter of the couple Himalay and Mena.  This means Sradha has birth,

growth, existence, decrease and end,  means, Sradha has beginning and

end.  To make it more clear, today I must be having Sradha in a particular

person, in a particular thing, in a particular matter, in a particular

principle, etc etc but may be it is not there tomorrow. It may disappear. It may

leave that-one and catch hold of another one, another thing. Once the Sradha is

started towards any onething, it may grow, it may blossom, it may spoil, it may

vanish and again take new birth as something else.

> >  

> > Siva is Viswas. It never takes birth, it never grow, it never ends or

finishes. It is there without beginning and without end. Even if this universe

is not there Siva is there.

> >  

> > While Siva (Viswas) was in Dhyaana, 

> Parvathi (Sradha) was in its Teens (Kumari). At that time one ASURA is taking

birth. That is TArakAsura. TArakAsura is sumbolised as Sansaya (Doubt). It is

quite natural that when Viswas closes his eyes (towards everything around him)

and when Sradha is in her teenage state †" kumar avastha- doubts take birth

in the society.  For example, suppose an husband fully believes his wife in

all her actions, say, she is going around everywhere, say marketing, purchasing,

social gatherings, get together, functions etc. and husband does not take much

interest in all such affairs, and suppose the wife is pretty beautiful and in

teens age,  people will start ill talk about her, doubts crop up in the minds

of society.   We can substitute here wife and husband with father and

daughter, brother and sister and the like.   At this situation, the doubts

coming in the mind of the society is TArakAsura.   When the

> hands of

> > Sradha is given into the hands of Viswas and when a child is born to that

Sradha and Viswas, such TArakAsura-like doubts will disappear from the minds of

the socity. Only kArthikeya, the son of Siva+Parvati can kill 

TArakAsura.  This is one of the  Siva Thathwa.

> >  

> > Coming to anger †" the word Siva means mangal/kalyaN .  Where is

anger in it.

> >    

> > Anger is taking birth from kAma . Siva was in DhyAna. Due to the

fantasy-like climate created by KAmadev, a small-bit- shiver for a fraction of

second was felt during DhyAna and it created a small shake in the Bodha of

Siva.. This was spontaneously brought to normal. That feeling of shiver/shake of

mind during DhyAna was kAma and quickly it was removed/vanished or

destroyed.   When the siver was felt, it thought, what is that matter

which made me to break my DhyAna. Realising that it is a

> fraction of kAma , it was quickly controlled and became to the normal.

> >  

> > Anger is taking birth from desires, wishes, lust.  Rather it is the child

of kAma or Asakti.   When the father kAma itself was destroyed, how the

child kRodha can take birth, as kRodha is the child of kAma .

> >  

> > Man becomes angry only after he is addict to kaama.  Once you become

angry and does quarrelling or fighting, will the other person praise you for

your doings..?  But in all the killings in our puraaNaas, whether it is

Taarakaasura or anybody,  they praise those who killed.  

> >  

> > Wherever the word kRodha is indicated in Siva CHARITRA or any other CHARITRA

 it is to be understood in the context of ADVAITAA SARVA BHOOTHANAM . 

When the SanAthana Dharma is basing on this, all the words, killings, kRodha etc

to be understood in this

> context.  When there is no dvaita ( dual ), there is no kRodha or

killings.     All asurAs and rAkshasAs are praying  the Deva 

who destroyed him.  See in rAmAyaNa,  bAli  is praising rAma, rAvaNa is

praising rAma.   

> >  

> > In the sanaatana dharma the killings are not like Hitler’s killings,

Mussolini’s killings.  The killings are giving moksha and all curses

by rishis are the way to reach the paramaatma for moksha.     

> >  

> > We are studying the scriptures in a westernized way, everything is being

looked into with the help of brain, logic, statistics etc.  These method of

study is not the Bhaarateeya rishi parampara’s method.   

> >  

> > Brain is a sense †" indriya

> > Logic is product of the sense .  

>

> > Statistics is not truth.  You toss a coin for one thousand times and all

the thousand times you get the head.  But when you toss the same coin for

thousand and one time, it cannot be predicted that you will get head.   Or

another example,   your head is in the deepfreezer, your legs are in the

oven,  and the centre portion is normal.  According to statistics, this is

an acceptable situation.  But who can accept this  ?  

> >  

> > So kindly do not approach the scriptures with our limited knowledge.  One

needs to get a Guru to know the truth of kRodha, killing etc

> >  

> > Trust I could clarify a bit.

> >  

> > May Lord Siva bless  all

> >

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Namaste,

While on the topic of krodha, following is from Chamakam

 

manyus cha may Bhaamas cha may

 

(which is translated as internal and external anger)

 

I would appreciate if experts can comment on the significance of this part of

Chamakam.

regards,

Shailendra

 

, Bhupendra Jamnadas

<b_jamna> wrote:

>

> Dear Dev Maharaj Ji,

>

> First of all, it is an honour to have you reply to one of my messages and to

know that you still remember me from previous email exchanges.

>

> No, I do not know Maha Kaala personally. But what I m beginning to realise is

that he has abosolute control. For every moment we breath, or cry or laugh or

enjoy or pray, it has been decided been HIM alone. But I would still not think

of him taking a human form with the 3rd eye throwing flames at what makes him

angry. The rules of karma are laid out, there is absolutely nothing that anybody

could do that he does not know beforehand...I see beings as only an instrument

of HIS will alone. There are various reasons why someone would get angry....when

someones ego is hurt for instance or when someone is hurt mentally or physically

or buy seeing someone else hurt etc. There is abosolutely nothing that Siva does

not know beforehand so why would HE suddenly become angry just like an ordinary

human and start throwing flames? I am sure that if I had a third eye, I would

have used it by now a few times. That thought in itself is sufficient to make me

feel that

> the Lord would not do that.

>

> This is of course my opinion, I do not perosnally know the Lord so he doesn't

tell me these things. I can only make a guess.

>

> Regards,

> Bhupendra.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj

>

> Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:09:52 PM

> Re: Re: Siva and kRodha

>

>

> But certarinly the 3rd eye is not for throwing flames at others.

>

> How do you know this factually? Do you know MAha Kaala Personally ? If Lord

Siva is Mahadeva, then it stands to reason that he CAN do as he pleases, if it

suits his purpose !

> Further Bhupendra, you are limiting Lord Siva based upon your limited

perception of him !

> This is a VERY VERY serious mistake. I understand that you are a tender person

but to continue to do this out of misunderstanding / weakness will only lead you

into error.

>

> In the past I advised you, when doing Manasa puja to visualize Lord Siva's

third eye burning your body to ashes and then with what was left of you, to use

the Ashes to smear his body. The effect of doing this is to cleanse your own

body. It also prepares you for the ultimate transition - DEATH.

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

>

>

> Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>

> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Siva and kRodha

> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com

> Sunday, March 15, 2009, 11:58 AM

>

>

> Dear Sushma Ji,

>

> My statement was on Lord Siva alone. I do not have the capacity to think hpow

capable Lord Brahma or Vishnu are. They are certainly more than I could or

anyone oculd imagine. But certainly Lord Siva is the only one shown with a 3rd

eye, Lord Siva is the only one referred to as Maha Kaala and is the only one

addressed as Mahadeva. There is something about this which is different and

mystery to us all Surely someone who is Maha Kaala (or the ruler of time) will

determine how things are or will be in the present or even a 1000 kalpas from

now.

>

> But certaoinly the 3rd eye is not for throwing flames at others.

>

> Regards,

> Bhupendra.

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Sushma Gupta <sushmajee >

> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com

> Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:33:10 PM

> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Siva and kRodha

>

>

> Dear Bhupendra Ji

> Om Namah Shivaaya

>

> Sir, do you think that since the two of the other Tri-Dev (Brahmaa and Vishnu)

do not have the third eye, this means that they do not have Divine knowledge or

the knowledge of Truth? Only Lord Shiv has it?

>

> And if it is so then why only he is depicted with the third eye, and no other

Devtaa?

>

> With regards

> Sushma

>

> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Bhupendra Jamnadas

<b_jamnadas@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vijayan,

> >

> > One must remember that when reading Puranas, you cannot just take things

literally.

> >

> > There is no physically third eye that Siva has that shoots a beam of fire.

Third eye essentisally means knowledge and Kamadev represents sensual pleasures

or desires for such. Desires for sensual pleasures may only be destroyed when

divine knowledge, or knolwedge of the truth is acquired. Siva is represented

always with that 3rd eye....the eye is knowledge... ..HE knows all, is the

source of all and cannot be swayed by by maya. Sivas 3rd eye destroying Kamadev

is just that.....with supreme knowledge, destroy sensual urges. It has nothing

to do with krodh.

> >

> > Hope this is helpful.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Bhupendra.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil@ ...>

> > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com

> > Cc: vijivkn@

> > Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:01:42 AM

> > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Siva and kRodha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > doubt : -

> >

> > I heard that SIVA has not become angry (Krodha) at any moment. But the

PurANAs clearly says that Siva became angry to KAmadeva and by opening his third

eye, Siva lit KAmadeva in fire.  How to understand this ?

> >   

> > I wish to clarify the doubt to little extent as below.  Read it carefully

to get it meant..

> >  

> > No where it is expressly implied that Siva became angry at any time and

anywhere. After the end of Sati, the daughter of Daksha, Siva was in Dhyaana for

87000 years. At that time Bhavani (Paarvati) was in her teenage (Kumari). Siva

menas Viswas and Bhavaani means Sradha.

> >  

> >  " Bhavaani Sankaraou vande, Sradha Viswasa rUpinou� 

> >  

> > Let me attempt to make it clear between Sradha and Viswas based on above.

 BhavAni is the symbol of  Sradha and Sankara is symbolized as Viswas. 

Sati, is daughter of Dakha in her earlier birth and in the next birth, daughter

of the couple Himalay and Mena.  This means Sradha has birth, growth,

existence, decrease and end,  means, Sradha has beginning and end.  To

make it more clear, today I must be having Sradha in a particular person, in a

particular thing, in a particular matter, in a particular principle, etc etc but

may be it is not there tomorrow. It may disappear. It may leave that-one and

catch hold of another one, another thing. Once the Sradha is started towards any

onething, it may grow, it may blossom, it may spoil, it may vanish and again

take new birth as something else.

> >  

> > Siva is Viswas. It never takes birth, it never grow, it never ends or

finishes. It is there without beginning and without end. Even if this universe

is not there Siva is there.

> >  

> > While Siva (Viswas) was in Dhyaana,  Parvathi (Sradha) was in its Teens

(Kumari). At that time one ASURA is taking birth. That is TArakAsura. TArakAsura

is sumbolised as Sansaya (Doubt). It is quite natural that when Viswas closes

his eyes (towards everything around him) and when Sradha is in her teenage state

†" kumar avastha- doubts take birth in the society.  For example, suppose

an husband fully believes his wife in all her actions, say, she is going around

everywhere, say marketing, purchasing, social gatherings, get together,

functions etc. and husband does not take much interest in all such affairs, and

suppose the wife is pretty beautiful and in teens age,  people will start ill

talk about her, doubts crop up in the minds of society.   We can

substitute here wife and husband with father and daughter, brother and sister

and the like.   At this situation, the doubts coming in the mind of the

society is TArakAsura.  

> When the hands of

> > Sradha is given into the hands of Viswas and when a child is born to that

Sradha and Viswas, such TArakAsura-like doubts will disappear from the minds of

the socity. Only kArthikeya, the son of Siva+Parvati can kill 

TArakAsura.  This is one of the  Siva Thathwa.

> >  

> > Coming to anger †" the word Siva means mangal/kalyaN .  Where is

anger in it.

> >    

> > Anger is taking birth from kAma . Siva was in DhyAna. Due to the

fantasy-like climate created by KAmadev, a small-bit- shiver for a fraction of

second was felt during DhyAna and it created a small shake in the Bodha of Siva.

This was spontaneously brought to normal. That feeling of shiver/shake of mind

during DhyAna was kAma and quickly it was removed/vanished or destroyed.  

When the siver was felt, it thought, what is that matter which made me to break

my DhyAna. Realising that it is a fraction of kAma , it was quickly controlled

and became to the normal.

> >  

> > Anger is taking birth from desires, wishes, lust.  Rather it is the child

of kAma or Asakti.   When the father kAma itself was destroyed, how the

child kRodha can take birth, as kRodha is the child of kAma .

> >  

> > Man becomes angry only after he is addict to kaama.  Once you become

angry and does quarrelling or fighting, will the other person praise you for

your doings..?  But in all the killings in our puraaNaas, whether it is

Taarakaasura or anybody,  they praise those who killed.  

> >  

> > Wherever the word kRodha is indicated in Siva CHARITRA or any other CHARITRA

 it is to be understood in the context of ADVAITAA SARVA BHOOTHANAM . 

When the SanAthana Dharma is basing on this, all the words, killings, kRodha etc

to be understood in this context.  When there is no dvaita ( dual ), there is

no kRodha or killings.     All asurAs and rAkshasAs are praying

 the Deva  who destroyed him.  See in rAmAyaNa,  bAli  is

praising rAma, rAvaNa is praising rAma.   

> >  

> > In the sanaatana dharma the killings are not like Hitler’s killings,

Mussolini’s killings.  The killings are giving moksha and all curses

by rishis are the way to reach the paramaatma for moksha.     

> >  

> > We are studying the scriptures in a westernized way, everything is being

looked into with the help of brain, logic, statistics etc.  These method of

study is not the Bhaarateeya rishi parampara’s method.   

> >  

> > Brain is a sense †" indriya

> > Logic is product of the sense .  

> > Statistics is not truth.  You toss a coin for one thousand times and all

the thousand times you get the head.  But when you toss the same coin for

thousand and one time, it cannot be predicted that you will get head.   Or

another example,   your head is in the deepfreezer, your legs are in the

oven,  and the centre portion is normal.  According to statistics, this is

an acceptable situation.  But who can accept this  ?  

> >  

> > So kindly do not approach the scriptures with our limited knowledge.  One

needs to get a Guru to know the truth of kRodha, killing etc

> >  

> > Trust I could clarify a bit.

> >  

> > May Lord Siva bless  all

> >

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But I would still not think of him taking a human form with the 3rd eye throwing flames at what makes him angry.As Mahadeva he has absolute will and can assume any form according to his purpose, inclusive of assuming one with three eyes or five heads or eight heads or a million for that matter. This is for HIS Lila and to accomplish acts. Further this is also necessary to communicate with us at a human level, most humans DO NOT possess the requisite consciousness to understand him, therefore to project HIS message these forms are assumedLord Siva in his Nirguna state is pure consciousness and his ability to transform from state to state is limitless, in mediatation he has shown me forms that I have found in no book !Namah Sivaya--- On Wed, 3/18/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna>

wrote:Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna>Re: Re: Siva and kRodha Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 6:34 AM

 

Dear Dev Maharaj Ji,

 

First of all, it is an honour to have you reply to one of my messages and to know that you still remember me from previous email exchanges.

 

No, I do not know Maha Kaala personally. But what I m beginning to realise is that he has abosolute control. For every moment we breath, or cry or laugh or enjoy or pray, it has been decided been HIM alone. But I would still not think of him taking a human form with the 3rd eye throwing flames at what makes him angry. The rules of karma are laid out, there is absolutely nothing that anybody could do that he does not know beforehand.. .I see beings as only an instrument of HIS will alone. There are various reasons why someone would get angry....when someones ego is hurt for instance or when someone is hurt mentally or physically or buy seeing someone else hurt etc. There is abosolutely nothing that Siva does not know beforehand so why would HE suddenly become angry just like an ordinary human and start throwing flames? I am sure that if I had a third eye, I would have used it by now a few times. That thought in itself is sufficient to make me

feel that the Lord would not do that.

 

This is of course my opinion, I do not perosnally know the Lord so he doesn't tell me these things. I can only make a guess.

 

Regards,

Bhupendra.

 

 

 

Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj@ >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, March 17, 2009 8:09:52 PMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Siva and kRodha

 

 

 

 

 

But certarinly the 3rd eye is not for throwing flames at others.How do you know this factually? Do you know MAha Kaala Personally ? If Lord Siva is Mahadeva, then it stands to reason that he CAN do as he pleases, if it suits his purpose !Further Bhupendra, you are limiting Lord Siva based upon your limited perception of him !This is a VERY VERY serious mistake. I understand that you are a tender person but to continue to do this out of misunderstanding / weakness will only lead you into error.In the past I advised you, when doing Manasa puja to visualize Lord Siva's third eye burning your body to ashes and then with what was left of you, to use the Ashes to smear his body. The effect of doing this is to cleanse your own body. It also prepares you for the ultimate transition - DEATH.. --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Siva and kRodhaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, March 15, 2009, 11:58 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sushma Ji,

 

My statement was on Lord Siva alone. I do not have the capacity to think hpow capable Lord Brahma or Vishnu are. They are certainly more than I could or anyone oculd imagine. But certainly Lord Siva is the only one shown with a 3rd eye, Lord Siva is the only one referred to as Maha Kaala and is the only one addressed as Mahadeva. There is something about this which is different and mystery to us all Surely someone who is Maha Kaala (or the ruler of time) will determine how things are or will be in the present or even a 1000 kalpas from now.

 

But certaoinly the 3rd eye is not for throwing flames at others.

 

Regards,

Bhupendra.

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Bhupendra JiOm Namah ShivaayaSir, do you think that since the two of the other Tri-Dev (Brahmaa and Vishnu) do not have the third eye, this means that they do not have Divine knowledge or the knowledge of Truth? Only Lord Shiv has it?And if it is so then why only he is depicted with the third eye, and no other Devtaa?With regardsSushmaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Vijayan,> > One must remember that when reading Puranas, you cannot just take things literally.> > There is no physically third eye that Siva has that shoots a beam of fire. Third eye essentisally means knowledge and Kamadev represents sensual pleasures or desires for such. Desires for sensual pleasures may only be destroyed when divine knowledge, or knolwedge of the truth is acquired. Siva is represented

always

with that 3rd eye....the eye is knowledge... ..HE knows all, is the source of all and cannot be swayed by by maya. Sivas 3rd eye destroying Kamadev is just that.....with supreme knowledge, destroy sensual urges. It has nothing to do with krodh.> > Hope this is helpful.> > > Thanks,> Bhupendra.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil@ ...>> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Cc: vijivkn Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:01:42 AM> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Siva and kRodha> > > > > doubt : -> > I heard that SIVA has not become angry (Krodha) at any moment. But the PurANAs clearly says that Siva became angry to KAmadeva and by opening his third eye, Siva lit KAmadeva in fire. How to understand this ?

>   > I wish to clarify the doubt to little extent as below. Read it carefully to get it meant.. >  > No where it is expressly implied that Siva became angry at any time and anywhere. After the end of Sati, the daughter of Daksha, Siva was in Dhyaana for 87000 years. At that time Bhavani (Paarvati) was in her teenage (Kumari). Siva menas Viswas and Bhavaani means Sradha. >  > “Bhavaani Sankaraou vande, Sradha Viswasa rUpinou� >  > Let me attempt to make it clear between Sradha and Viswas based on above.  BhavAni is the symbol of Sradha and Sankara is symbolized as Viswas. Sati, is daughter of Dakha in her earlier birth and in the next birth, daughter of the couple Himalay and Mena. This means Sradha has birth, growth, existence, decrease and end, means, Sradha has beginning and end. To

make it more clear, today I must be having Sradha in a particular person, in a particular thing, in a particular matter, in a particular principle, etc etc but may be it is not there tomorrow. It may disappear. It may leave that-one and catch hold of another one, another thing. Once the Sradha is started towards any onething, it may grow, it may blossom, it may spoil, it may vanish and again take new birth as something else. >  > Siva is Viswas. It never takes birth, it never grow, it never ends or finishes. It is there without beginning and without end. Even if this universe is not there Siva is there. >  > While Siva (Viswas) was in Dhyaana, Parvathi (Sradha) was in its Teens (Kumari). At that time one ASURA is taking birth. That is TArakAsura. TArakAsura is sumbolised as Sansaya (Doubt). It is quite natural that when Viswas closes his eyes (towards everything around him) and when Sradha is in her

teenage state â€"kumar avastha- doubts take birth in the society. For example, suppose an husband fully believes his wife in all her actions, say, she is going around everywhere, say marketing, purchasing, social gatherings, get together, functions etc. and husband does not take much interest in all such affairs, and suppose the wife is pretty beautiful and in teens age, people will start ill talk about her, doubts crop up in the minds of society.  We can substitute here wife and husband with father and daughter, brother and sister and the like.  At this situation, the doubts coming in the mind of the society is TArakAsura.  When the hands of> Sradha is given into the hands of Viswas and when a child is born to that Sradha and Viswas, such TArakAsura-like doubts will disappear from the minds of the socity. Only kArthikeya, the son of Siva+Parvati can kill TArakAsura.Â

This is one of the  Siva Thathwa. >  > Coming to anger â€" the word Siva means mangal/kalyaN . Where is anger in it. >    > Anger is taking birth from kAma . Siva was in DhyAna. Due to the fantasy-like climate created by KAmadev, a small-bit- shiver for a fraction of second was felt during DhyAna and it created a small shake in the Bodha of Siva. This was spontaneously brought to normal. That feeling of shiver/shake of mind during DhyAna was kAma and quickly it was removed/vanished or destroyed.  When the siver was felt, it thought, what is that matter which made me to break my DhyAna. Realising that it is a fraction of kAma , it was quickly controlled and became to the normal. >  > Anger is taking birth from desires, wishes, lust. Rather it is the child of kAma or Asakti.  When the father kAma itself was destroyed, how

the child kRodha can take birth, as kRodha is the child of kAma . >  > Man becomes angry only after he is addict to kaama. Once you become angry and does quarrelling or fighting, will the other person praise you for your doings..? But in all the killings in our puraaNaas, whether it is Taarakaasura or anybody, they praise those who killed.  >  > Wherever the word kRodha is indicated in Siva CHARITRA or any other CHARITRA  it is to be understood in the context of ADVAITAA SARVA BHOOTHANAM . When the SanAthana Dharma is basing on this, all the words, killings, kRodha etc to be understood in this context. When there is no dvaita ( dual ), there is no kRodha or killings.    All asurAs and rAkshasAs are praying  the Deva who destroyed him. See in rAmAyaNa, bAli  is praising rAma, rAvaNa

is praising rAma.   >  > In the sanaatana dharma the killings are not like Hitler’s killings, Mussolini’s killings. The killings are giving moksha and all curses by rishis are the way to reach the paramaatma for moksha.     >  > We are studying the scriptures in a westernized way, everything is being looked into with the help of brain, logic, statistics etc. These method of study is not the Bhaarateeya rishi parampara’s method.   >  > Brain is a sense â€" indriya > Logic is product of the sense .  > Statistics is not truth. You toss a coin for one thousand times and all the thousand times you get the head. But when you toss the same coin for thousand and one time, it cannot be predicted that you will get head.   Or another

example,  your head is in the deepfreezer, your legs are in the oven,  and the centre portion is normal. According to statistics, this is an acceptable situation. But who can accept this ?  >  > So kindly do not approach the scriptures with our limited knowledge. One needs to get a Guru to know the truth of kRodha, killing etc >  > Trust I could clarify a bit. >  > May Lord Siva bless  all > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.

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Certainly he has complete control and can take any form. But is there any need for him to get angry and throw flames when nothing happens without HIS fore-knowledge and therefore nothing should surprise him or make HIM angry. To say the Lord Siva would get angry and throw flames would indicate that anger has control over the supreme...so who is then the supreme...anger or the Lord? The laws of karma and nature are adequate to take care of anything. There is no need for HIM to throw flames.

 

One might think that HE is angry when one looks at the devastations caused by natural and man-made disasters around the world. But nothing is happening beyond the rules of nature and karma set by HIM. For HIM to throw flames would indicate something out of control...something happened that HE could not imagine. Thus whole idea makes HIM less then supreme.

 

The forms thar are dscribed in our books on our imagination. The Lord can take any form that we can imagine and those that we cannot. There is a whole universe out there with life forms that we might not even be able to imagine in our dreams. But these are all Lords design. So certainly he can take the most extraordinary form that has never even been seen before in the universe. I do not dispute. What I am saying is that HE being the supreme has everything under his control and there is nothing that surprises HIM or puts him out of balance or causes HIM anger.

 

 

 

 

Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:22:25 AMRe: Re: Siva and kRodha

 

 

 

 

 

But I would still not think of him taking a human form with the 3rd eye throwing flames at what makes him angry.As Mahadeva he has absolute will and can assume any form according to his purpose, inclusive of assuming one with three eyes or five heads or eight heads or a million for that matter. This is for HIS Lila and to accomplish acts. Further this is also necessary to communicate with us at a human level, most humans DO NOT possess the requisite consciousness to understand him, therefore to project HIS message these forms are assumedLord Siva in his Nirguna state is pure consciousness and his ability to transform from state to state is limitless, in mediatation he has shown me forms that I have found in no book !Namah Sivaya--- On Wed, 3/18/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Siva and kRodhaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, March 18, 2009, 6:34 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Dev Maharaj Ji,

 

First of all, it is an honour to have you reply to one of my messages and to know that you still remember me from previous email exchanges.

 

No, I do not know Maha Kaala personally. But what I m beginning to realise is that he has abosolute control. For every moment we breath, or cry or laugh or enjoy or pray, it has been decided been HIM alone. But I would still not think of him taking a human form with the 3rd eye throwing flames at what makes him angry. The rules of karma are laid out, there is absolutely nothing that anybody could do that he does not know beforehand.. .I see beings as only an instrument of HIS will alone. There are various reasons why someone would get angry....when someones ego is hurt for instance or when someone is hurt mentally or physically or buy seeing someone else hurt etc. There is abosolutely nothing that Siva does not know beforehand so why would HE suddenly become angry just like an ordinary human and start throwing flames? I am sure that if I had a third eye, I would have used it by now a few times. That thought in itself is sufficient to make me

feel that the Lord would not do that.

 

This is of course my opinion, I do not perosnally know the Lord so he doesn't tell me these things. I can only make a guess.

 

Regards,

Bhupendra.

 

 

 

Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj@ >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, March 17, 2009 8:09:52 PMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Siva and kRodha

 

 

 

 

 

But certarinly the 3rd eye is not for throwing flames at others.How do you know this factually? Do you know MAha Kaala Personally ? If Lord Siva is Mahadeva, then it stands to reason that he CAN do as he pleases, if it suits his purpose !Further Bhupendra, you are limiting Lord Siva based upon your limited perception of him !This is a VERY VERY serious mistake. I understand that you are a tender person but to continue to do this out of misunderstanding / weakness will only lead you into error.In the past I advised you, when doing Manasa puja to visualize Lord Siva's third eye burning your body to ashes and then with what was left of you, to use the Ashes to smear his body. The effect of doing this is to cleanse your own body. It also prepares you for the ultimate transition - DEATH.. --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Siva and kRodhaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, March 15, 2009, 11:58 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sushma Ji,

 

My statement was on Lord Siva alone. I do not have the capacity to think hpow capable Lord Brahma or Vishnu are. They are certainly more than I could or anyone oculd imagine. But certainly Lord Siva is the only one shown with a 3rd eye, Lord Siva is the only one referred to as Maha Kaala and is the only one addressed as Mahadeva. There is something about this which is different and mystery to us all Surely someone who is Maha Kaala (or the ruler of time) will determine how things are or will be in the present or even a 1000 kalpas from now.

 

But certaoinly the 3rd eye is not for throwing flames at others.

 

Regards,

Bhupendra.

 

 

 

 

 

Sushma Gupta <sushmajee >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, March 15, 2009 12:33:10 PM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Siva and kRodha

 

Dear Bhupendra JiOm Namah ShivaayaSir, do you think that since the two of the other Tri-Dev (Brahmaa and Vishnu) do not have the third eye, this means that they do not have Divine knowledge or the knowledge of Truth? Only Lord Shiv has it?And if it is so then why only he is depicted with the third eye, and no other Devtaa?With regardsSushmaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Vijayan,> > One must remember that when reading Puranas, you cannot just take things literally.> > There is no physically third eye that Siva has that shoots a beam of fire. Third eye essentisally means knowledge and Kamadev represents sensual pleasures or desires for such. Desires for sensual pleasures may only be destroyed when divine knowledge, or knolwedge of the truth is acquired. Siva is represented always

with that 3rd eye....the eye is knowledge... ..HE knows all, is the source of all and cannot be swayed by by maya. Sivas 3rd eye destroying Kamadev is just that.....with supreme knowledge, destroy sensual urges. It has nothing to do with krodh.> > Hope this is helpful.> > > Thanks,> Bhupendra.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil@ ...>> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Cc: vijivkn Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:01:42 AM> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Siva and kRodha> > > > > doubt : -> > I heard that SIVA has not become angry (Krodha) at any moment. But the PurANAs clearly says that Siva became angry to KAmadeva and by opening his third eye, Siva lit KAmadeva in fire. How to understand this ?

>   > I wish to clarify the doubt to little extent as below. Read it carefully to get it meant.. >  > No where it is expressly implied that Siva became angry at any time and anywhere. After the end of Sati, the daughter of Daksha, Siva was in Dhyaana for 87000 years. At that time Bhavani (Paarvati) was in her teenage (Kumari). Siva menas Viswas and Bhavaani means Sradha. >  > “Bhavaani Sankaraou vande, Sradha Viswasa rUpinou� >  > Let me attempt to make it clear between Sradha and Viswas based on above.  BhavAni is the symbol of Sradha and Sankara is symbolized as Viswas. Sati, is daughter of Dakha in her earlier birth and in the next birth, daughter of the couple Himalay and Mena. This means Sradha has birth, growth, existence, decrease and end, means, Sradha has beginning and end. To

make it more clear, today I must be having Sradha in a particular person, in a particular thing, in a particular matter, in a particular principle, etc etc but may be it is not there tomorrow. It may disappear. It may leave that-one and catch hold of another one, another thing. Once the Sradha is started towards any onething, it may grow, it may blossom, it may spoil, it may vanish and again take new birth as something else. >  > Siva is Viswas. It never takes birth, it never grow, it never ends or finishes. It is there without beginning and without end. Even if this universe is not there Siva is there. >  > While Siva (Viswas) was in Dhyaana, Parvathi (Sradha) was in its Teens (Kumari). At that time one ASURA is taking birth. That is TArakAsura. TArakAsura is sumbolised as Sansaya (Doubt). It is quite natural that when Viswas closes his eyes (towards everything around him) and when Sradha is in her

teenage state â€"kumar avastha- doubts take birth in the society. For example, suppose an husband fully believes his wife in all her actions, say, she is going around everywhere, say marketing, purchasing, social gatherings, get together, functions etc. and husband does not take much interest in all such affairs, and suppose the wife is pretty beautiful and in teens age, people will start ill talk about her, doubts crop up in the minds of society.  We can substitute here wife and husband with father and daughter, brother and sister and the like.  At this situation, the doubts coming in the mind of the society is TArakAsura.  When the hands of> Sradha is given into the hands of Viswas and when a child is born to that Sradha and Viswas, such TArakAsura-like doubts will disappear from the minds of the socity. Only kArthikeya, the son of Siva+Parvati can kill TArakAsura.Â

This is one of the  Siva Thathwa. >  > Coming to anger â€" the word Siva means mangal/kalyaN . Where is anger in it. >    > Anger is taking birth from kAma . Siva was in DhyAna. Due to the fantasy-like climate created by KAmadev, a small-bit- shiver for a fraction of second was felt during DhyAna and it created a small shake in the Bodha of Siva. This was spontaneously brought to normal. That feeling of shiver/shake of mind during DhyAna was kAma and quickly it was removed/vanished or destroyed.  When the siver was felt, it thought, what is that matter which made me to break my DhyAna. Realising that it is a fraction of kAma , it was quickly controlled and became to the normal. >  > Anger is taking birth from desires, wishes, lust. Rather it is the child of kAma or Asakti.  When the father kAma itself was destroyed, how

the child kRodha can take birth, as kRodha is the child of kAma . >  > Man becomes angry only after he is addict to kaama. Once you become angry and does quarrelling or fighting, will the other person praise you for your doings..? But in all the killings in our puraaNaas, whether it is Taarakaasura or anybody, they praise those who killed.  >  > Wherever the word kRodha is indicated in Siva CHARITRA or any other CHARITRA  it is to be understood in the context of ADVAITAA SARVA BHOOTHANAM . When the SanAthana Dharma is basing on this, all the words, killings, kRodha etc to be understood in this context. When there is no dvaita ( dual ), there is no kRodha or killings.    All asurAs and rAkshasAs are praying  the Deva who destroyed him. See in rAmAyaNa, bAli  is praising rAma, rAvaNa

is praising rAma.   >  > In the sanaatana dharma the killings are not like Hitler’s killings, Mussolini’s killings. The killings are giving moksha and all curses by rishis are the way to reach the paramaatma for moksha.     >  > We are studying the scriptures in a westernized way, everything is being looked into with the help of brain, logic, statistics etc. These method of study is not the Bhaarateeya rishi parampara’s method.   >  > Brain is a sense â€" indriya > Logic is product of the sense .  > Statistics is not truth. You toss a coin for one thousand times and all the thousand times you get the head. But when you toss the same coin for thousand and one time, it cannot be predicted that you will get head.   Or another

example,  your head is in the deepfreezer, your legs are in the oven,  and the centre portion is normal. According to statistics, this is an acceptable situation. But who can accept this ?  >  > So kindly do not approach the scriptures with our limited knowledge. One needs to get a Guru to know the truth of kRodha, killing etc >  > Trust I could clarify a bit. >  > May Lord Siva bless  all > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta. messenger.

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