Our Vedas (Certain Revelations) - Part 2 By Sri.Sri.Muralidhara Swamiji.

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Radhe Krishna to All,

 

There is a surprising factor in this feeling that we are only the 'manas'.

We find blind men in this world. The blind man may not have physical vision but

he sees everything with his 'manas'. He has 'manas'. Though we may close our

eyes we do see some scene. Don’t we? How then do we see? Verily through the

'manas'!

 

At night we dream. We do not use our eyes then - we are sleeping. But, we see

all (kinds of) scenes. We see all (kinds of) scenes in dream. These eyes are not

functioning then. The reason for seeing scenes in dream is 'mano maya drishti'

(mental vision). So, even if there are no eyes, he sees through mental vision

('mano maya kann' [mental eyes]). But, the Jnani has eyes and no 'manas'!

Therefore, though he has eyes he does not see! In that 'mano maya sariira'

(subtle body) he (man) thinks of leading a righteous life, “Oh! We should not

act as per the ways of the 'manas'. We should lead this ‘manas’ in 'vaidiika

dharma'â€; he thinks of taking the 'manas' in the path of dharma,’ thinking

so he leads a dharmic life.

 

The Vedas say that only such a one goes to 'swarga' (heaven). He enjoys the

pleasures of 'swarga'. He uses 'manomaya sariira' for doing 'yaga', 'yajna'.

Beyond this 'manas' is the 'buddhi' (intellect).

 

'Manas' imagines. There is something called 'buddhi'. What does this 'buddhi'

do? It discriminates. The person analyses through this 'buddhi', ‘If there is

some life after death I should prepare myself for it’ and does 'upasana'

(worship) of some god. He does bhakti or upasana or japa. Where does such a one

go? Through the strength of this 'upasana' he attains the world of that god. He

does not go to 'swarga' (heaven), at the same time he does not go to 'pitru

loka' nor does he return to the earth. Where does he go? There are innumerable

'lokas' including 'satya loka'. Depending on his 'tapo bala'/'upasana bala' he

reaches one of these 'lokas'.

 

There is yet another state. One who destroys this mind and stands in his own

'swaroopa' (form); it is him that the Vedas say, 'Anando brahmeti vyajanat.' He

is known as a 'Jivan Mukta' (Liberated while still living in this body). He

pushes aside the 'upasakan' (the worshipper), the 'vastu' (thing) that is to be

worshipped and the work of 'upasana'. All these are annihilated and since he is

immersed in Brahma swaroopa within we call such a one as Jnani. He does not go

to any 'loka' (world) nor does he come to any 'loka'. So is this state.

 

While speaking on the third kind of people (we find that) there are those who

think, 'I am verily this manas' (mind) - 'I am not 'prana', I am not 'sariira'

but I am this 'manas' (mind).' The Vedas speak of our karma one by one. Speaking

on one’s 'mano bala' (mental strength) and 'tapo bala' (power of tapas

[spiritual practice]), the Vedas say that one attains a 'loka' in accordance

with the way of his sadhana. Thus speak the Vedas. It is Veda ‘prakriya’

(process prescribed by the Vedas). To attain any of these, viz. pitru loka,

swarga or upasana loka or even Jivan Mukti state one needs a 'marga' (way). We

cannot attain (any of these) without a 'marga'.

 

!!! Will Continue !!!

 

Regards

 

Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

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His Holiness Sri Sri Swamiji personally answers these questions for you and

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Dear Sir, Thank you for sharing this wonderful information, I have a question to you and other esteemed members of this group, What is the path of the Soul?, you mentioned that a soul goes to a particular loka based on its spiritual development, after it reaches a particular loka, what are the next steps, does the vedas explain the details?

 

God Bless you,

Om Namah Shivaya,

Divakar. --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Ravishankar Gopal <ravishankar_g wrote:

Ravishankar Gopal <ravishankar_g Our Vedas (Certain Revelations) - Part 2 By Sri.Sri.Muralidhara Swamiji. , Shivayoga_ , "hindusociety" <hindu_society_korea >Monday, October 13, 2008, 8:01 PM

 

 

Radhe Krishna to All,There is a surprising factor in this feeling that we are only the 'manas'.We find blind men in this world. The blind man may not have physical vision but he sees everything with his 'manas'. He has 'manas'. Though we may close our eyes we do see some scene. Don’t we? How then do we see? Verily through the 'manas'! At night we dream. We do not use our eyes then - we are sleeping. But, we see all (kinds of) scenes. We see all (kinds of) scenes in dream. These eyes are not functioning then. The reason for seeing scenes in dream is 'mano maya drishti' (mental vision). So, even if there are no eyes, he sees through mental vision ('mano maya kann' [mental eyes]). But, the Jnani has eyes and no 'manas'! Therefore, though he has eyes he does not see! In that 'mano maya sariira' (subtle body) he (man) thinks of leading a righteous life, “Oh! We should not act as per the ways of the 'manas'. We should lead this

‘manas’ in 'vaidiika dharma'”; he thinks of taking the 'manas' in the path of dharma,’ thinking so he leads a dharmic life. The Vedas say that only such a one goes to 'swarga' (heaven). He enjoys the pleasures of 'swarga'. He uses 'manomaya sariira' for doing 'yaga', 'yajna'. Beyond this 'manas' is the 'buddhi' (intellect). 'Manas' imagines. There is something called 'buddhi'. What does this 'buddhi' do? It discriminates. The person analyses through this 'buddhi', ‘If there is some life after death I should prepare myself for it’ and does 'upasana' (worship) of some god. He does bhakti or upasana or japa. Where does such a one go? Through the strength of this 'upasana' he attains the world of that god. He does not go to 'swarga' (heaven), at the same time he does not go to 'pitru loka' nor does he return to the earth. Where does he go? There are innumerable 'lokas' including 'satya loka'. Depending on his 'tapo bala'/'upasana

bala' he reaches one of these 'lokas'. There is yet another state. One who destroys this mind and stands in his own 'swaroopa' (form); it is him that the Vedas say, 'Anando brahmeti vyajanat.' He is known as a 'Jivan Mukta' (Liberated while still living in this body). He pushes aside the 'upasakan' (the worshipper), the 'vastu' (thing) that is to be worshipped and the work of 'upasana'. All these are annihilated and since he is immersed in Brahma swaroopa within we call such a one as Jnani. He does not go to any 'loka' (world) nor does he come to any 'loka'. So is this state. While speaking on the third kind of people (we find that) there are those who think, 'I am verily this manas' (mind) - 'I am not 'prana', I am not 'sariira' but I am this 'manas' (mind).' The Vedas speak of our karma one by one. Speaking on one’s 'mano bala' (mental strength) and 'tapo bala' (power of tapas [spiritual practice]), the Vedas say that one attains a

'loka' in accordance with the way of his sadhana. Thus speak the Vedas. It is Veda ‘prakriya’ (process prescribed by the Vedas). To attain any of these, viz. pitru loka, swarga or upasana loka or even Jivan Mukti state one needs a 'marga' (way). We cannot attain (any of these) without a 'marga'. !!! Will Continue !!!RegardsHare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- If you have any questions or doubts concerning Spirituality, Mental peace or problems in life or about dharma, please write to us by clicking here:http://www.namadwaa r.org/answers/ askquestion. phpHis Holiness Sri Sri Swamiji personally answers these questions for you and suggests prayers. ------------ --------- --------- ---------

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Radhe Krishna To all,

 

I have tried to explain what ever knowledge I have gained from our Swamiji on the subject.

 

Our Vedas have said that death is just a separation of the soul from the physical body. Death is like closing one door and opening the other door (one aspect of life to another). Our Swamiji used to say that sleep is a small death and death is a big sleep, the only difference between Sleep and death is in sleep the form is the same and in death their is change in form. However to your question, our Vedas says that if our mind was filled with impure Vasanas (tendencies in the mind), the impure Vasanas generate rebirths and the next form is determined based on our Punya / Papa.

 

During the time of existence if we had developed our mind with pure Vasanas and had deep devotion with God leads to Moksha and the soul resides in that world and takes birth after the due time of punya is enjoyed to come back to earth until self realization is attained.( To attain the state of Brahman) only then the Vedas declare that we are permanently liberated from births and deaths cycle.

 

Though our Shastras are true, we may not be in a position to understand since this is beyond our intellectual capability, however let¢s not worry about. Through our free will if we focus our intellect in performing good deeds and chant the divine at all possible times our karmas definitely are annihilated to reach the destination called liberation.

 

I have further added the following article below of Swami Sivananda which very deeply kindled my quest and thought of sharing this to all our like minded members too.

 

Spiritual life is not mere idle talk. It is not mere sensation. It is a transcendental experience of unalloyed joy and bliss. It is a life of fullness and perfection. There is a place of eternal peace and infinite bliss where there is neither death nor desire, neither sorrow nor pain, neither doubt nor delusion. Do you not aspire to reach this immortal abode of perennial joy and happiness?

 

Discipline the mind and the senses. Do daily Nama Chanting, Cultivate noble virtues. Practice regular meditation. Then alone you will reach that immortal abode. Give up identification of your Self with the physical body. Identification of one¢s Self with the body is the greatest crime. Give up planning and scheming since all activities are happening automatically and bring your mind to that state of understanding. Relinquish cherished hopes, expectations and worldly ambitions. Kill desires. Rise above desires.

Live intelligently. Come out of the dungeon of ignorance. Share this knowledge with others. You are swayed by unholy desires and Avidya. Self-realisation is the goal of life. This is the end and aim of life, of human existence. Wake up from the dream of forms. Give up this clinging to false names and forms. Do not be deceived by these illusory names and forms. Cling to the solid, living Reality only. This is the real life.

The practice of Karma Yoga prepares the mind of the aspirant for the reception of the Knowledge of the Self. It moulds him into a proper Adhikari or aspirant for the study of Vedanta. Ignorant people jump at once to the practice of Jnana Yoga without having any preliminary training in Karma Yoga. That is why they fail-miserably to realise the Truth. The impurities still lurk in their minds. The mind is filled with likes and dislikes. They only talk of Brahman. They indulge in all sorts of useless discussions, vain debates and dry endless controversies. Their philosophy is on their lips only. In other words they are lip-Vedantins. What is wanted is practical Vedanta through

ceaseless, selfless service of the country and humanity in some form or other with Atma Bhava.

Birth follows death, just as waking follows sleep. You will again resume the work that was left off by you in your previous life. Therefore do not be afraid of death.

Birth and death are jugglery of Maya. He who is born begins to die. He who dies begins to live. Life is death and death is life. Birth and death are merely doors of entry and exit on the stage of this world.

 

Just as you move from one house to another house, the soul passes from one body to another to gain experience. Just as a man, casting off worn out garments, takes new ones, so the dweller in this body, casting off worn-out bodies, enters into others which are new.

 

O man, do not be afraid of death at all. Death is Maya's illusory phenomenon. Death is dissolution of the elements. Thou art immortal, Amara (immortal).

 

Regards

Radhe Krishna.--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote:

Divakara Tanjore <div_tanRe: Our Vedas (Certain Revelations) - Part 2 By Sri.Sri.Muralidhara Swamiji. Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 6:22 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir, Thank you for sharing this wonderful information, I have a question to you and other esteemed members of this group, What is the path of the Soul?, you mentioned that a soul goes to a particular loka based on its spiritual development, after it reaches a particular loka, what are the next steps, does the vedas explain the details?

 

God Bless you,

Om Namah Shivaya,

Divakar.