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--- On Thu, 10/9/08, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote:

Divakara Tanjore <div_tanRe: Why insult Shaivtes Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 8:33 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Knowledge without humbleness breeds arrogance, ignorance and ego, All spiritual paths preach two very simple and powerful concepts

 

1. Humble ness

2. never judge anybody

 

we should not fanatically follow scriptures, scriptures were written to guide people at different time, as times change some of the meaning of scriptures change, we should use our judgement in understanding the concepts for the highest good of the universe, not to compare and judge, all the acts of comparison and judgement is done by ego and it has to be checked.

 

In Divine love, Om Namah Shivaya,

Divakar. --- On Wed, 10/8/08, N. Ranganathan <rangvsh > wrote:

N. Ranganathan <rangvsh >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Why insult Shaivtesom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, October 8, 2008, 11:11 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All

 

With Due respect to Venkata Krishnan, it is inappropriate to be in Om Namah Shivaya Group and speak ill about Lord Shiva.

 

I request you please unsubsribe and make peace in yourselves.N.Ranganathan B.E, C.Eng, FISE, PGDBM

Senior Electrical Engineer

Doha--- On Wed, 10/8/08, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 > wrote:

venkata krishnan <bcvk71 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Why Vaishnavites insult Shaivtesom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "BCVENKATAKRISHNANN ewsListgroup" <bcvenkatakrishnanne wslist@grou ps.com>Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 6:34 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vijji Bajji,

You are totally wrong and misinformed. Who told you that Ramanuja was a Sivaite and Adi Sankara was a Saivite.Ramanuja' s first Guru was Yadavaprakasa who was a BedaABeda Acharya and who was a exponent of Advaita who was also a Vaishnavite. Later on Ramanuja became the follower of Alavandar who was a Great Scholar of Sri Vaishnavism. Ramanuja was always a Vaishnava.The only change in his life was that he was a mere Vaishnava by birth who later on converted to Srivaishnavism after becomming the followe of Alavandar.Adi Sankara was also a Vaishnava.The only difference being that in their philosophy. The philosophy of Naadamuni was Visishtaadvaita and that of Gaudapada was Advaita.Gaudapada was the Acharya of Adi Saankara.Even today in Kanchi Sankara \Matam for all official purposes the Samkaraacharya signs

only as OM NAMO NAARAAYANAAYA and not Nassivaaya.Accordin g to Vedas LORD NAARAAYANA is the Supreme Brahman.And all the Vedantins accept that.According to Vedas there are 11 RUDRAS.And the Naayanmaars combined the 11Rudras as one God and christained that God as Siva.Saivism originated only after the advent of Naayanmaars and there was no God called Siva before the Naayanmaars there was only Rudra.The Lord SANKARA is the first among the 11 Ridras according to Vedas and he is the son of Brahma an d Brahma is the son of PARABRAHMAN LORD NAARAAYANA according to Vedas.The later Advaitins betrayed Adi Sankara and began to follow a new philosophy saying All Gods are one and only their names are different which againszt the original Advaitam established by Adi Sankara.Saivism is against Vedas by claimimg mythical God Siva is the Supreme Brahman a nd not LORD NAARAAYANA.And many of the Saivaites equate Lord Siva with Lord VISHNU and LORD BRAHMA and sayall the 3

are same which is against VEDAS.So, Saivism is a Nastika Religion which does not accept the authority of Vedas.Assuming the current Advaitaacharyas wrong inerpretation of Adi Sankara itszelf as the philosophy of Saivasm and Saakthaism , the Saivaites philosophy is Secularism and their claim that Vaishnavas should follow their Philosophy and ideology does not hold water.Since, Advaitam is not the philosophy of Vaishnavites and Visishtaaddvaitam is the Philosophy of Srivaishnavism. Sorry if I had wounded anyones wrong beliefs in the forumby posting the truths.Vedas are the ultimate.It is the only PRAMAANA.

B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .

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genghis1291 <genghis (AT) comcast (DOT) net>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Why Vaishnavites insult Shaivtesom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, October 7, 2008, 8:46 AM

 

 

There is a lot of misinformation about the beliefs on either sidecontributing to the superficial tensions...In the mix are:1. The Purusha Suktam from the Rig Veda2. The Brahma Sutra of Badrayana (like a commentary on the PurushaSuktam)3. Adi Shankara and his commentary on the Brahma Sutra4. Possible MIS-interpretations /extrapolations by the naive onShankara's commentary - this apparently led to serious intellectual andmoral degradation in Shaivite society in the 200 years after Shankara5. Ramanujacharya, a Shaivite-turned Vaishnavite who came 200 yearsafter Shankara and his commentary on the Brahma Sutra. The naive amongShaivites claim Ramanuja refuted Shankara...he did no such thing...infact, he relied very heavily on Shankara's work,; he also went to theFULL original of the Brahma Sutra (not the abridged 4-page versionrelied on by Shankara and others in his time) and has

categoricallystated that he provided further clarity on Shankara's work.If people are interested in this topic, I will provide a brief overviewlaterGenghisom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, mohan dadlani<mohan_dadlani@ ...> wrote:>>> In my view Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu are 2 sides of the same coin.> God is one, we humans can call in different names.> It is not worthwhile to engage in any arguments on this issue. LetHindus unite and not waste time and energy in unnecessary arguments.> Om Shant, Shanti, Shanti>>>> om_namah_shivaya_ group : bhatnagar_shailendr a: Mon, 6 Oct2008 15:27:48 +0000[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: WhyVaishnavites insult Shaivtes>>>>> Om Namah

SivayaNamaste, This is a sensitive topic so it is better notto discuss it. This one mantra from Kaivalya Upanishat seals the matterwithout controversy : sa brahmaa sa shivaH sendraH so.aksharaH paramaHsvaraaT .sa eva vishhNuH sa praaNaH sa kaalo.agniH sa chandramaaH(Brahma, Shiv, Indra, Om, Vishnu, Prana, Kaal, Agni, Chandrama etc areall one - the absolute/OM/ infinity) .Secondly, there can be only oneinfinity. regards,Shailendra>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn "10 hidden secrets"from Jamie.>http://windowslive. com/connect/ post/jamiethomso n.spaces. live.com- Blog-cn\s!550F681DAD532637! 5295.entry? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_

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