Why insult Shaivtes.... There is only one God .. Omnipotent

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Namaste

OM Jagadeeswaraya nama

Before any argument please try to learn something.. First you have to think about what is God ? then Think according to your believe that god is same like you a Human being with 80kg weight and with a mustache's and with many Heads and wearing Snake or laying on a Snake.. Please read Bhagavd Geeta Chapter 10 and it is very clearly given a definition for God . please don't think there are many gods . the Almighty is only one , what form you want to see you can see that Almighty in that form.

here is the translation of Bhagavadgeta chapter 10

Text 20

I am, o Arjuna, the soul in the heart of all living beings; I am the origin also, the middle and as well indeed the end of all existing.

SANSKRIT

aham âtmâ gudâkesa sarva-bhûtâsaya-sthitah aham âdis ca madhyam ca bhûtânâm anta eva ca

 

TRANSLATION

I am the Supersoul, O Arjuna, seated in the hearts of all living entities. I am the beginning, the middle and the end of all beings.

Text 21

Of the Âdityas [Diti was the daughter of Daksha and wife of Kas'yapa], I am Vishnu, of all the luminaries I am the radiant sun, Marîci [a prajâpati, a father of mankind, and father of Kas'yapa] of the Maruts [the flashing gods] I am and of the divisions of the year [the constellations or of what is fixed] I am the Moon.

SANSKRIT

âdityânâm aham visnur jyotisâm ravir amsumân marîcir marutâm asmi naksatrânâm aham sasî

 

TRANSLATION

Of the Âdityas I am Vishnu, of lights I am the radiant sun, of the Maruts I am Marîci, and among the stars I am the moon.

Text 22

Of the Vedas I am the Sâma-veda [the songs], of the godly I am Indra [or Vâsava], the king of heaven, of the senses I am the mind and I am also the living force of all creatures.

SANSKRIT

vedânâm sâma-vedo 'smi devânâm asmi vâsavah indriyânâm manas câsmi bhûtânâm asmi cetanâ

 

TRANSLATION

Of the Vedas I am the Sama Veda; of the demigods I am Indra, the king of heaven; of the senses I am the mind; and in living beings I am the living force [consciousness].

Text 23

Of all the Rudras [the dreadful, ones] I am S'iva [or S'ankara]; also am I Vittes'a [the treasurer] of the Yaksha's [attendents of Kuvera, the heavenly treasurer] and Râkshasa's [the demons], of the Vasu's [the deities of nature] I am fire and of all the mountains I am mount Meru [the one central to all] as well.

SANSKRIT

rudrânâm sankaras câsmi vitteso yaksa-raksasâm vasûnâm pâvakas câsmi meruh sikharinâm aham

 

TRANSLATION

Of all the Rudras I am Lord S'iva, of the Yakshas and Râkshasas I am the Lord of wealth [Kuvera], of the Vasus I am fire [Agni], and of mountains I am Meru.

Text 24

Know Me as the chief of all priests, Brihaspati [the priest of Indra], o son of Prithâ, of all military commanders I am Kârtikeya [skanda, the god of war and son of S'iva and Pârvatî] and of all bodies of water I am the ocean.

SANSKRIT

purodhasâm ca mukhyam mâm viddhi pârtha brhaspatim senânînâm aham skandah sarasâm asmi sâgarah

 

 

TRANSLATION

Of priests, O Arjuna, know Me to be the chief, Brhaspati. Of generals I am Kârtikeya, and of bodies of water I am the ocean.

Text 25

Of the great wise I am Bhrighu [one of the ten Maharishis to the first Manu], of the spoken I am the Pranava, of sacrifices I am japa [mantra-meditation with beads] and of the things immovable I am the Himalayas.

SANSKRIT

maharsînâm bhrgur aham girâm asmy ekam aksaram yajnânâm japa-yajno 'smi sthâvarânâm himâlayah.

 

TRANSLATION

Of the great sages I am Bhrgu; of vibrations I am the transcendental om. Of sacrifices I am the chanting of the holy names [japa], and of immovable things I am the Himalayas.

Text 26

Of the trees I am the as'vattha [banyan or one with no specific property], of all seers among the godly I am Nârada, of the celestial beings [Gandharvas] I am Cittaratha [the best singer] and of the perfected ones I am Kapila Muni [a Vishnu avatar, son of Devahûti].

SANSKRIT

as'vatthah sarva-vrksânâm devarsînâm ca nâradah gandharvânâm citrarathah siddhânam kapilo munih

 

TRANSLATION

Of all trees I am the banyan tree, and of the sages among the demigods I am Narada. Of the Gandharvas I am Citraratha, and among perfected beings I am the sage Kapila.

Text 27

Know Me as Uccaihs'ravâ among the horses who came forth from the churning of the ocean to get the nectar and as Airâvata among the elephants; among men I am the one at the top [the king].

SANSKRIT

uccaihsravasam asvânâm viddhi mâm amrtodbhavam airâvatam gajendrânâm narânâm ca narâdhipam

 

TRANSLATION

Of horses know Me to be Uccaihs'ravâ, produced during the churning of the ocean for nectar. Of lordly elephants I am Airiavata, and among men I am the monarch.

Text 28

Of all weapons I am the thunderbolt, of the cows I am the surabhi [the plentiful one] and I am Cupid, the cause of begetting children; of the serpents I am Vâsuki [with whom the ocean was churned].

SANSKRIT

âyudhânâm aham vajram dhenûnâm asmi kâmadhuk prajanas câsmi kandarpah sarpânâm asmi vâsukih

 

 

TRANSLATION

Of weapons I am the thunderbolt; among cows I am the surabhi. Of causes for procreation I am Kandarpa, the god of love, and of serpents I am Vâsuki.

Text 29

Of the Nâgas [the snakelike] I am Ananta [supporting Vishnu], of all aquatics I am [the demigod] Varuna, of the ancestors I am Aryamâ [an Âditya] and of all the regulators I am also Yama, the controller of death.

SANSKRIT

anantas câsmi nâgânâm varuno yâdasâm aham pitrnâm aryamâ câsmi yamah samyamatâm aham

 

TRANSLATION

Of the many-hooded Nâgas I am Ananta, and among the aquatics I am the demigod Varuna. Of departed ancestors I am Aryamâ, and among the dispensers of law I am Yama, the lord of death.

Text 30

Of the Daityas [non-theist sons of Diti who churned the ocean] I am Prahlâda, of what rules I am the Time, of the animals the lion and of the birds I am Garuda [Vainateya].

SANSKRIT

prahlâdas câsmi daityânâm kâlah kalayatâm aham mrgânâm ca mrgendro 'ham vainateyas ca paksinâm

TRANSLATION

Among the Daitya demons I am the devoted Prahlada, among subduers I am time, among beasts I am the lion, and among birds I am Garuda.

Text 31

Of all that purifies I am the wind, I am Râma [a Vishnu avatar] of the armed ones, of all fish I am the shark, and also am I of the flowing rivers the Ganges ['the daughter of Jahnu'].

SANSKRIT

pavanah pavatâm asmi râmah sastra-bhrtâm aham jhasânâm makaras câsmi srotasâm asmi jâhnavî

TRANSLATION

Of purifiers I am the wind, of the wielders of weapons I am Rama, of fishes I am the shark, and of flowing rivers I am the Ganges.

Text 32

Of the multitude I am [as said] the beginning, the end and the middle and also I am surely, o Arjuna, the spiritual knowledge of all education and the dialectic of all argumentation.

 

SANSKRIT

sargânâm âdir antas ca madhyam caivâham arjuna adhyâtma-vidyâ vidyânâm vâdah pravadatâm aham

 

TRANSLATION

Of all creations I am the beginning and the end and also the middle, O Arjuna. Of all sciences I am the spiritual science of the self, and among logicians I am the conclusive truth.

Text 33

Of the letters I am the first one [the A], of the compound words I am the dual one and certainly am I the eternal of Time and the Creator facing all directions [brahmâ].

SANSKRIT

aksarânâm akâro 'smi dvandvah sâmâsikasya ca aham evâksayah kâlo dhâtâham visvato-mukhah

TRANSLATION

Of letters I am the letter A, and among compound words I am the dual compound. I am also inexhaustible time, and of creators I am Brahma.

Text 34

I am as well the all-devouring death and generation to that what is predestined and fame, beauty and fine speech I am of women as also memory, intelligence, firmness and patience.

SANSKRIT

mrtyuh sarva-haras câham udbhavas ca bhavisyatâm kîrtih srîr vâk ca nârînâm smrtir medhâ dhrtih ksamâ

 

TRANSLATION

I am all-devouring death, and I am the generating principle of all that is yet to be. Among women I am fame, fortune, fine speech, memory, intelligence, steadfastness and patience.

Text 35

Of the Sâma-veda-hymns I am the Brihat-sâma [the metrical], of all poetry I am the Gâyatrî [a purification mantra], of the months I am the one in Sagittarius and of all seasons I am the spring.

SANSKRIT

brhat-sâma tathâ sâmnâm gâyatrî chandasâm aham mâsânâm mârga-sîrso 'ham rtûnâm kusumâkarah

 

TRANSLATION

Of the hymns in the Sama Veda I am the Brhat-sama, and of poetry I am the Gayatri. Of months I am Margasirsa [November-December], and of seasons I am flower-bearing spring.

 

Text 36

Of the fallacious I am the gambling, I am the splendor of everything splendid, I am the victory of all adventure and the strength of the strong I am.

SANSKRIT

dyûtam chalayatâm asmi tejas teiasvinâm aham jayo 'smi vyavasâyo 'smi sattvam sattvavatâm aham

 

TRANSLATION

I am also the gambling of cheats, and of the splendid I am the splendor. I am victory, I am adventure, and I am the strength of the strong.

Text 37

Of the Vrishnis I am Vâsudeva [Krishna], of the Pândavas I am Arjuna, of the sages I am Vyâsa [the compiler of the Vedas] and of all great thinkers I am Usanâ [the teacher of the atheists].

SANSKRIT

vrsnînâm vâsudevo 'smi pândavânâm dhananjayah munînâm apy aham vyâsah kavînâm usanâ kavih

 

TRANSLATION

Of the descendants of Vrsni I am Vâsudeva, and of the Pandavas I am Arjuna. Of the sages I am Vyasa, and among great thinkers I am Usana.

Text 38

Of the means of suppression I am the clout, I am the morality of those who seek victory, the silence I am of all secrets, and of the wise I am the knowledge.

SANSKRIT

dando damayatâm asmi nîtir asmi jigîsatâm maunam caivâsmi guhyânâm jnânam jnânavatâm aham

 

TRANSLATION

Among all means of suppressing lawlessness I am punishment, and of those who seek victory I am morality. Of secret things I am silence, and of the wise I am the wisdom.

Text 39

Of whatever that of all the beings may exist I am the source, O Arjuna; nothing of the moving and unmoving exists without Me.

SANSKRIT

yac câpi sarva-bhûtânâm bîjam tad aham arjuna na tad asti vinâ yat syân mayâ bhûtam carâcaram

 

 

TRANSLATION

Furthermore, O Arjuna, I am the generating seed of all existences. There is no being -- moving or nonmoving -- that can exist without Me.

Text 40

There is no limit to my divine opulences, o conqueror of the enemies, all this I spoke of is but an example of the expanse of My wealth.

SANSKRIT

nânto 'sti mama divyânâm vibhûtînâm parantapa esa tûddesatah prokto vibhûter vistaro mayâ

 

TRANSLATION

O mighty conqueror of enemies, there is no end to My divine manifestations. What I have spoken to you is but a mere indication of My infinite opulences.

 

 

with regards

dilip --- On Wed, 10/8/08, N. Ranganathan <rangvsh wrote:

N. Ranganathan <rangvsh[ Why insult ShaivtesWednesday, October 8, 2008, 8:11 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All

 

With Due respect to Venkata Krishnan, it is inappropriate to be in Om Namah Shivaya Group and speak ill about Lord Shiva.

 

I request you please unsubsribe and make peace in yourselves.N.Ranganathan B.E, C.Eng, FISE, PGDBM

Senior Electrical Engineer

Doha--- On Wed, 10/8/08, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 > wrote:

venkata krishnan <bcvk71 >Re: Why Vaishnavites insult Shaivtes"BCVENKATAKRISHNANN ewsListgroup" <bcvenkatakrishnanne wslist@grou ps.com>Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 6:34 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vijji Bajji,

You are totally wrong and misinformed. Who told you that Ramanuja was a Sivaite and Adi Sankara was a Saivite.Ramanuja' s first Guru was Yadavaprakasa who was a BedaABeda Acharya and who was a exponent of Advaita who was also a Vaishnavite. Later on Ramanuja became the follower of Alavandar who was a Great Scholar of Sri Vaishnavism. Ramanuja was always a Vaishnava.The only change in his life was that he was a mere Vaishnava by birth who later on converted to Srivaishnavism after becomming the followe of Alavandar.Adi Sankara was also a Vaishnava.The only difference being that in their philosophy. The philosophy of Naadamuni was Visishtaadvaita and that of Gaudapada was Advaita.Gaudapada was the Acharya of Adi Saankara.Even today in Kanchi Sankara \Matam for all official purposes the Samkaraacharya signs

only as OM NAMO NAARAAYANAAYA and not Nassivaaya.Accordin g to Vedas LORD NAARAAYANA is the Supreme Brahman.And all the Vedantins accept that.According to Vedas there are 11 RUDRAS.And the Naayanmaars combined the 11Rudras as one God and christained that God as Siva.Saivism originated only after the advent of Naayanmaars and there was no God called Siva before the Naayanmaars there was only Rudra.The Lord SANKARA is the first among the 11 Ridras according to Vedas and he is the son of Brahma an d Brahma is the son of PARABRAHMAN LORD NAARAAYANA according to Vedas.The later Advaitins betrayed Adi Sankara and began to follow a new philosophy saying All Gods are one and only their names are different which againszt the original Advaitam established by Adi Sankara.Saivism is against Vedas by claimimg mythical God Siva is the Supreme Brahman a nd not LORD NAARAAYANA.And many of the Saivaites equate Lord Siva with Lord VISHNU and LORD BRAHMA and sayall the 3

are same which is against VEDAS.So, Saivism is a Nastika Religion which does not accept the authority of Vedas.Assuming the current Advaitaacharyas wrong inerpretation of Adi Sankara itszelf as the philosophy of Saivasm and Saakthaism , the Saivaites philosophy is Secularism and their claim that Vaishnavas should follow their Philosophy and ideology does not hold water.Since, Advaitam is not the philosophy of Vaishnavites and Visishtaaddvaitam is the Philosophy of Srivaishnavism. Sorry if I had wounded anyones wrong beliefs in the forumby posting the truths.Vedas are the ultimate.It is the only PRAMAANA.

B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .

website: www.vedascience. com

genghis1291 <genghis (AT) comcast (DOT) net>Re: Why Vaishnavites insult ShaivtesTuesday, October 7, 2008, 8:46 AM

 

 

There is a lot of misinformation about the beliefs on either sidecontributing to the superficial tensions...In the mix are:1. The Purusha Suktam from the Rig Veda2. The Brahma Sutra of Badrayana (like a commentary on the PurushaSuktam)3. Adi Shankara and his commentary on the Brahma Sutra4. Possible MIS-interpretations /extrapolations by the naive onShankara's commentary - this apparently led to serious intellectual andmoral degradation in Shaivite society in the 200 years after Shankara5. Ramanujacharya, a Shaivite-turned Vaishnavite who came 200 yearsafter Shankara and his commentary on the Brahma Sutra. The naive amongShaivites claim Ramanuja refuted Shankara...he did no such thing...infact, he relied very heavily on Shankara's work,; he also went to theFULL original of the Brahma Sutra (not the abridged 4-page versionrelied on by Shankara and others in his time) and has

categoricallystated that he provided further clarity on Shankara's work.If people are interested in this topic, I will provide a brief overviewlaterGenghismohan dadlani<mohan_dadlani@ ...> wrote:>>> In my view Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu are 2 sides of the same coin.> God is one, we humans can call in different names.> It is not worthwhile to engage in any arguments on this issue. LetHindus unite and not waste time and energy in unnecessary arguments.> Om Shant, Shanti, Shanti>>>> Mon, 6 Oct2008 15:27:48 +0000[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: WhyVaishnavites insult Shaivtes>>>>> Om Namah SivayaNamaste, This is a sensitive topic so it is better notto discuss it. This one mantra from Kaivalya Upanishat seals the matterwithout controversy : sa brahmaa sa shivaH sendraH

so.aksharaH paramaHsvaraaT .sa eva vishhNuH sa praaNaH sa kaalo.agniH sa chandramaaH(Brahma, Shiv, Indra, Om, Vishnu, Prana, Kaal, Agni, Chandrama etc areall one - the absolute/OM/ infinity) .Secondly, there can be only oneinfinity. regards,Shailendra>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn "10 hidden secrets"from Jamie.>http://windowslive. com/connect/ post/jamiethomso n.spaces. live.com- Blog-cn\s!550F681DAD532637! 5295.entry? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ domore_092008>