Guest guest Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 dear shivbhakts om namo bhagawate rudraya during our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the information of shivbhakts. Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated by Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of nature, Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, ideologies or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this allows them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self- realization'.Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect Shivalayams(Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams will perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to populate the world Jangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins. The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam (Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, Ganiga, Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two dominant subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held in their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not even a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is established between different subcastes. These are highly closed groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to officiate at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced the Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. Large number of people drawn from different social strata, particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the Jain king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith. The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified with cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter without bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot-water) is sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and collected underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee then worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, for he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas sit on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam Temple we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one of the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not only the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and goddesses, especially on the prakara. JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) of Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take fish,egg and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people tied beneath the shoulder. As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. 2. Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar located on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in Andhra Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one facing south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient shrine, rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and only for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath Temple and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. Nageshwar Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga temple. However, the term " daruka vane " in the shloka (religious verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ( " Lord of Rama " ) pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 can you please detail about the conventional/traditional procedure for reading thevaram/thiruvasagam in houses by siva baktas/grihastas your narration of jangamas is excellent. reading Ramayanam/bagavatam/narayaneeyam have gained popularity with standard procedures. same is not popular with thevaram etc. G.PARTHASARATHY.--- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 jangam Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM dear shivbhaktsom namo bhagawate rudrayaduring our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the information of shivbhakts.Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated by Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of nature, Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, ideologies or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this allows them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self-realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams will perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to populate the worldJangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins.The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam(Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, Ganiga, Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two dominant subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held in their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not even a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is established between different subcastes. These are highly closed groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to officiate at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced the Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. Large number of people drawn from different social strata, particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the Jain king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith.The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified with cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter without bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot-water) is sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and collected underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee then worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, for he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas sit on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam Temple we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one of the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not only the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and goddesses, especially on the prakara.JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) of Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take fish,egg and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people tied beneath the shoulder.As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. 2. Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar located on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in Andhra Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one facing south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient shrine, rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and only for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath Temple and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. Nageshwar Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga temple. However, the term "daruka vane" in the shloka (religious verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ("Lord of Rama") pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 dear shivbhakt om namo bhagawate rudraya shivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar has written various posts in this group earlier on the stories of nayanmars, singing saints, thevaram, tirumurai and other related posts. kindly go through his previous posts where you get more information on these great tamil hymns in praise of lord shiva. as regards procedure for singing at house, in my limited knowledge these are generally sung at temples. shivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar is requested to shed more light on this subject. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 wrote: > > can you please detail about the conventional/traditional procedure for reading thevaram/thiruvasagam in houses by siva baktas/grihastas > your narration of jangamas is excellent. > reading Ramayanam/bagavatam/narayaneeyam have gained popularity with standard procedures. > same is not popular with thevaram etc. > G.PARTHASARATHY. > > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > jangam > > Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM dear shivbhakts > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > during our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a > jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and > the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the > natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted > below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the > information of shivbhakts. > > Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated by > Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the > faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of nature, > Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, ideologies > or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this allows > them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self- > realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect > Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams will > perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the > opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. > Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' > and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the > English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The > Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of > the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava > Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually > Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, > who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to > populate the world > > Jangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins. > > The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam > (Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, Ganiga, > Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams > are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and > 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and > Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two dominant > subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and > equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the > Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All > Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they > employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no > commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga (Hadapad), > Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held in > their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to > Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not even > a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is > established between different subcastes. These are highly closed > groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to officiate > at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced the > Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. > Large number of people drawn from different social strata, > particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage > and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the Jain > king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith. > > The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual > and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified with > cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter without > bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this > dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot-water) is > sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act > called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are > adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with > incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and collected > underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' > which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee then > worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and > symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and > ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, for > he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in > the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, > pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with > water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main > participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas sit > on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the > skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam Temple > we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. > Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, > especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the > prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one of > the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not only > the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and goddesses, > especially on the prakara. > > JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) of > Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the > Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite > cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take fish,egg > and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper > or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people tied > beneath the shoulder. > > As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas > in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas > are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is > the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held > in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and > history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. 2. > Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar located > on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in Andhra > Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is > architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his > Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or > Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga > temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only > one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one facing > south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada > river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. > Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. > Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient shrine, > rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and only > for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of > Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva > destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar > Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. > Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine > associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham > in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath Temple > and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas > region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. Nageshwar > Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga > temple. However, the term " daruka vane " in the shloka (religious > verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also > situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. > Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar > Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve > Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ( " Lord of > Rama " ) pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad > Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar is a blessed person. Persons rarely get in to Bhakti aspect. That too Siva Bhakti is rare because Lord Parameswara is the Lord of Vairagya and Atma Gnana. Siva is ob solute, pure, blemish-less Knowledge--Gynana i.e. Self realisation. He is dwelling in every being as Atman. The greatness of Siva and His Leela are described beautifully in Periapuranam in a beautiful Tamil verses and in Thiruvilayadal Puranam . Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar retold some of the stories in a consized and beautiful way with Devotion. Thanks to him. These stories are not mere stories; but conveys deeper meaning, evoke deep sense of Bhakti in the heart of the persons who reads it. It affirms that God will appear before the true Bhakta and Bless him in his life. I thank Shri Selvaratnam Sivakumar. With regards. Hari Venkataraman --- On Fri, 4/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Re: jangam Date: Friday, 4 July, 2008, 9:15 PM dear shivbhaktom namo bhagawate rudrayashivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar has written various posts in this group earlier on the stories of nayanmars, singing saints, thevaram, tirumurai and other related posts. kindly go through his previous posts where you get more information on these great tamil hymns in praise of lord shiva.as regards procedure for singing at house, in my limited knowledge these are generally sung at temples. shivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar is requested to shed more light on this subject.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy .comom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ ...> wrote:>> can you please detail about the conventional/ traditional procedure for reading thevaram/thiruvasag am in houses by siva baktas/grihastas> your narration of jangamas is excellent.> reading Ramayanam/bagavatam /narayaneeyam have gained popularity with standard procedures.> same is not popular with thevaram etc.> G.PARTHASARATHY.> > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangam> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM> > > > > > > dear shivbhakts> om namo bhagawate rudraya> > during our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a > jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and > the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the > natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted > below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the > information of shivbhakts.> > Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated by > Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the > faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of nature, > Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, ideologies > or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this allows > them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self-> realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect > Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams will > perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the > opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. > Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' > and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the > English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The > Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of > the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava > Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually > Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, > who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to > populate the world> > Jangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins.> > The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam> (Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, Ganiga, > Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams > are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and > 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and > Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two dominant > subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and > equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the > Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All > Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they > employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no > commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga (Hadapad), > Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held in > their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to > Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not even > a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is > established between different subcastes. These are highly closed > groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to officiate > at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced the > Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. > Large number of people drawn from different social strata, > particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage > and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the Jain > king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith.> > The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual > and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified with > cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter without > bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this > dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot-water) is > sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act > called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are > adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with > incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and collected > underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' > which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee then > worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and > symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and > ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, for > he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in > the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, > pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with > water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main > participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas sit > on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the > skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam Temple > we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. > Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, > especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the > prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one of > the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not only > the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and goddesses, > especially on the prakara.> > JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) of > Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the > Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite > cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take fish,egg > and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper > or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people tied > beneath the shoulder.> > As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas > in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas > are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is > the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held > in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and > history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. 2. > Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar located > on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in Andhra > Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is > architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his > Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or > Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga > temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only > one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one facing > south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada > river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. > Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. > Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient shrine, > rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and only > for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of > Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva > destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar > Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. > Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine > associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham > in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath Temple > and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas > region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. Nageshwar > Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga > temple. However, the term "daruka vane" in the shloka (religious > verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also > situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. > Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar > Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve > Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ("Lord of > Rama") pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad > Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 can anybody in our group tell me about processing fresh Rudraksham seeds?...for japamala,wearing..rosary making. my friend gifted me fresh rudraksha seeds recently. G.PARTHASARATHY. --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_hari wrote: Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_hariRe: Re: jangam Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 4:24 AM Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar is a blessed person. Persons rarely get in to Bhakti aspect. That too Siva Bhakti is rare because Lord Parameswara is the Lord of Vairagya and Atma Gnana. Siva is ob solute, pure, blemish-less Knowledge--Gynana i.e. Self realisation. He is dwelling in every being as Atman. The greatness of Siva and His Leela are described beautifully in Periapuranam in a beautiful Tamil verses and in Thiruvilayadal Puranam . Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar retold some of the stories in a consized and beautiful way with Devotion. Thanks to him. These stories are not mere stories; but conveys deeper meaning, evoke deep sense of Bhakti in the heart of the persons who reads it. It affirms that God will appear before the true Bhakta and Bless him in his life. I thank Shri Selvaratnam Sivakumar. With regards. Hari Venkataraman --- On Fri, 4/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangamom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, 4 July, 2008, 9:15 PM dear shivbhaktom namo bhagawate rudrayashivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar has written various posts in this group earlier on the stories of nayanmars, singing saints, thevaram, tirumurai and other related posts. kindly go through his previous posts where you get more information on these great tamil hymns in praise of lord shiva.as regards procedure for singing at house, in my limited knowledge these are generally sung at temples. shivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar is requested to shed more light on this subject.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy .comom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ ...> wrote:>> can you please detail about the conventional/ traditional procedure for reading thevaram/thiruvasag am in houses by siva baktas/grihastas> your narration of jangamas is excellent.> reading Ramayanam/bagavatam /narayaneeyam have gained popularity with standard procedures.> same is not popular with thevaram etc.> G.PARTHASARATHY.> > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangam> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM> > > > > > > dear shivbhakts> om namo bhagawate rudraya> > during our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a > jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and > the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the > natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted > below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the > information of shivbhakts.> > Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated by > Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the > faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of nature, > Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, ideologies > or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this allows > them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self-> realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect > Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams will > perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the > opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. > Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' > and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the > English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The > Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of > the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava > Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually > Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, > who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to > populate the world> > Jangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins.> > The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam> (Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, Ganiga, > Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams > are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and > 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and > Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two dominant > subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and > equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the > Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All > Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they > employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no > commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga (Hadapad), > Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held in > their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to > Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not even > a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is > established between different subcastes. These are highly closed > groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to officiate > at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced the > Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. > Large number of people drawn from different social strata, > particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage > and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the Jain > king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith.> > The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual > and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified with > cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter without > bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this > dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot-water) is > sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act > called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are > adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with > incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and collected > underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' > which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee then > worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and > symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and > ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, for > he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in > the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, > pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with > water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main > participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas sit > on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the > skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam Temple > we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. > Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, > especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the > prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one of > the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not only > the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and goddesses, > especially on the prakara.> > JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) of > Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the > Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite > cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take fish,egg > and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper > or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people tied > beneath the shoulder.> > As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas > in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas > are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is > the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held > in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and > history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. 2. > Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar located > on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in Andhra > Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is > architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his > Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or > Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga > temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only > one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one facing > south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada > river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. > Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. > Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient shrine, > rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and only > for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of > Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva > destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar > Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. > Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine > associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham > in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath Temple > and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas > region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. Nageshwar > Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga > temple. However, the term "daruka vane" in the shloka (religious > verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also > situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. > Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar > Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve > Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ("Lord of > Rama") pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad > Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 dear shivbhakt om namo bhagawate rudraya shivapurana and other puranas only mention the energisation mantras of the respective rudraksha. shivbhakts across the world follow different processes before wearing a rudraksha. which process is correct or best is not any one's judgement since nothing of such sort is written in any scripture. here is one such process which you may like to know. generally all fresh rudraksha are very light in weight and float in water. the seed is also not ripe fully. hence it is best if these fresh rudraksha are soaked in a bottle of oil for a month or two. olive oil though expensive is best but some shopkeepers even use cheaper oils because of their large scale commercial operations. due to this soaking in the oil, not only the germs and infests die but also the rudraksha becomes old and strong to withstand the biological decay and infestation. afterwards, the rudraksha may be gently cleaned with a new toothbrush especially along the countours and lines so that the lines look clear and the extra pulp leftover and dried is cleaned. the hole is also cleaned or the passage made clear since it needs to be worn or stringed. rudraksha with a natural hole is considered the best but if there is no natural hole, it is not inferior either. then these rudraksha are cleaned in warm water so that the oily greasiness is gone and the rudraksha look fresh and clean. then some people dip these rudraksha in gangajal. after the above purification, the rudraksha is generally kept in the pooja place of a house or at a svayambhu shivling or any shivling at a temple and is worshipped by performing rudrabhishekam so as to treat the rudraksha itself as lord shiva himself. this is called sanctification. after sanctification, the rudraksha is energised with the respective mantra at least 108 times. shivapurana narrates the mantras for each of the fourteen types of rudraksha. later, such energised rudraksha are worn on an auspicious muhurat, by reciting the sankalpam which is called programming. generally sankalapm is recited by a poojari or a brahmin but if the native knows how to recite the sankalpam by incorporating the then year, month, season, fortnight, tithi, nakshatram and the self details such as gothram, nakshatram and the desires to be mentioned in the sankalpam, natives can do themselves. above processes are followed for wearing the rudraksha and are generally not followed for rudraksha used as rosaries, since most of the japamalas are five mukhi rudraksha whose cost of the 108 plus one bead mala is hardly a couple of hundred rupees and is commercially unviable for the shopkeeper to do all these value added services. you are at liberty to exercise your own discretion and follow whichever process you like and are comfortable with. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 wrote: > > can anybody in our group tell me about processing fresh Rudraksham seeds?...for japamala,wearing..rosary making. > my friend gifted me fresh rudraksha seeds recently. > G.PARTHASARATHY. > > > --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_hari wrote: > > Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_hari > Re: Re: jangam > > Saturday, July 5, 2008, 4:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar is a blessed person. Persons rarely get in to Bhakti aspect. That too Siva Bhakti is rare because Lord Parameswara is the Lord of Vairagya and Atma Gnana. Siva is ob solute, pure, blemish-less Knowledge--Gynana i.e. Self realisation. He is dwelling in every being as Atman. The greatness of Siva and His Leela are described beautifully in Periapuranam in a beautiful Tamil verses and in Thiruvilayadal Puranam . Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar retold some of the stories in a consized and beautiful way with Devotion. Thanks to him. These stories are not mere stories; but conveys deeper meaning, evoke deep sense of Bhakti in the heart of the persons who reads it. It affirms that God will appear before the true Bhakta and Bless him in his life. I thank Shri Selvaratnam Sivakumar. With regards. > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Friday, 4 July, 2008, 9:15 PM > > > > > dear shivbhakt > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > shivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar has written various posts in this > group earlier on the stories of nayanmars, singing saints, thevaram, > tirumurai and other related posts. kindly go through his previous > posts where you get more information on these great tamil hymns in > praise of lord shiva. > > as regards procedure for singing at house, in my limited knowledge > these are generally sung at temples. shivbhakt selvaratnam > selvakumar is requested to shed more light on this subject. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Parthasarathy Gopalan > <gsarathy32@ ...> wrote: > > > > can you please detail about the conventional/ traditional procedure > for reading thevaram/thiruvasag am in houses by siva baktas/grihastas > > your narration of jangamas is excellent. > > reading Ramayanam/bagavatam /narayaneeyam have gained popularity > with standard procedures. > > same is not popular with thevaram etc. > > G.PARTHASARATHY. > > > > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangam > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear shivbhakts > > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > > > during our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a > > jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and > > the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the > > natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted > > below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the > > information of shivbhakts. > > > > Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated > by > > Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the > > faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of > nature, > > Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, > ideologies > > or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this > allows > > them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self- > > realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect > > Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams > will > > perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the > > opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. > > Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' > > and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the > > English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The > > Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of > > the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava > > Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually > > Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, > > who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to > > populate the world > > > > Jangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins. > > > > The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam > > (Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, > Ganiga, > > Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams > > are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and > > 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and > > Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two > dominant > > subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and > > equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the > > Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All > > Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they > > employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no > > commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga > (Hadapad), > > Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held > in > > their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to > > Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not > even > > a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is > > established between different subcastes. These are highly closed > > groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to > officiate > > at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced > the > > Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. > > Large number of people drawn from different social strata, > > particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage > > and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the > Jain > > king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith. > > > > The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual > > and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified > with > > cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter > without > > bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this > > dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot- water) > is > > sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act > > called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are > > adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with > > incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and > collected > > underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' > > which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee > then > > worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and > > symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and > > ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, > for > > he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in > > the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, > > pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with > > water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main > > participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas > sit > > on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the > > skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam > Temple > > we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. > > Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, > > especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the > > prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one > of > > the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not > only > > the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and > goddesses, > > especially on the prakara. > > > > JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) > of > > Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the > > Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite > > cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take > fish,egg > > and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper > > or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people > tied > > beneath the shoulder. > > > > As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas > > in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas > > are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is > > the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held > > in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and > > history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. > 2. > > Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar > located > > on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in > Andhra > > Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is > > architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his > > Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or > > Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only > > one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one > facing > > south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada > > river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. > > Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. > > Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient > shrine, > > rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and > only > > for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of > > Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva > > destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar > > Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. > > Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine > > associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham > > in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath > Temple > > and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas > > region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. > Nageshwar > > Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. However, the term " daruka vane " in the shloka (religious > > verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also > > situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. > > Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar > > Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve > > Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ( " Lord of > > Rama " ) pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad > > Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Namaskaram. There are few things in the world that has Divinity embodied in it, in its very natural state. Salagrama, Bana lingam, Rudraksha, Spatikam are few among them. Big size Rudraksham is always better. For constant wearing smaller size is used. Rudraksha Malas are being worn during pooja times in one's neck, chest, fore-head, arms and almost all over the body during Pooja times, particularly pradosha times. There is lot of magnetic force in Rudraksha, in Salagrama and in Banam also. But this is a different aspect. Generally the wearing of Rudraksha, Vilwa Leaf all these things contain the heat generated in one's body as the Panchakshara Mantra, Sri Rudra and Siva Upasana increases the heat in the body of the Sadhaka. Lord Parameswara is Agni Swaroopa. He is having Agni in his hand. Halahala in his neck. He is Yagna Swaroopa. When the Sadhaka starts his Upaasana to contain a sudden spurt of heat created in his body due to concentrating the Agni Swaroopa in his mind. In the Same way who is worshipping Sriman Narayana has to wear ThiruMan, Tulasi Mala to contain the sudden coolness rising in the body of the Sadhaka as Sriman Narayana is Jala Tatva--Nara means water in Samskrit and Narayana one who resides in water/ Narayana is in Ksheerabdhi, on the bed of Adi Sesha who is also very cool to touch with. But above all these things we have to understand that all these wearing a Mala, face mark and all other preparations are to prepare our body, mind, and intellect to focus towards that Almighty in whichever form we worship. The Rudraksha Mala can be made with a Silk twine, a Copper or silver twine to wear with. Let Lord Parameswaral Bless us all. With regards. Hari.Venkataraman --- On Sun, 6/7/08, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 wrote: Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32Re: Re: jangam Date: Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 3:34 AM can anybody in our group tell me about processing fresh Rudraksham seeds?...for japamala,wearing. .rosary making. my friend gifted me fresh rudraksha seeds recently. G.PARTHASARATHY. --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangamom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSaturday, July 5, 2008, 4:24 AM Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar is a blessed person. Persons rarely get in to Bhakti aspect. That too Siva Bhakti is rare because Lord Parameswara is the Lord of Vairagya and Atma Gnana. Siva is ob solute, pure, blemish-less Knowledge--Gynana i.e. Self realisation. He is dwelling in every being as Atman. The greatness of Siva and His Leela are described beautifully in Periapuranam in a beautiful Tamil verses and in Thiruvilayadal Puranam . Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar retold some of the stories in a consized and beautiful way with Devotion. Thanks to him. These stories are not mere stories; but conveys deeper meaning, evoke deep sense of Bhakti in the heart of the persons who reads it. It affirms that God will appear before the true Bhakta and Bless him in his life. I thank Shri Selvaratnam Sivakumar. With regards. Hari Venkataraman --- On Fri, 4/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangamom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, 4 July, 2008, 9:15 PM dear shivbhaktom namo bhagawate rudrayashivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar has written various posts in this group earlier on the stories of nayanmars, singing saints, thevaram, tirumurai and other related posts. kindly go through his previous posts where you get more information on these great tamil hymns in praise of lord shiva.as regards procedure for singing at house, in my limited knowledge these are generally sung at temples. shivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar is requested to shed more light on this subject.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy .comom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ ...> wrote:>> can you please detail about the conventional/ traditional procedure for reading thevaram/thiruvasag am in houses by siva baktas/grihastas> your narration of jangamas is excellent.> reading Ramayanam/bagavatam /narayaneeyam have gained popularity with standard procedures.> same is not popular with thevaram etc.> G.PARTHASARATHY.> > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangam> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM> > > > > > > dear shivbhakts> om namo bhagawate rudraya> > during our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a > jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and > the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the > natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted > below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the > information of shivbhakts.> > Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated by > Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the > faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of nature, > Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, ideologies > or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this allows > them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self-> realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect > Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams will > perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the > opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. > Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' > and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the > English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The > Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of > the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava > Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually > Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, > who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to > populate the world> > Jangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins.> > The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam> (Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, Ganiga, > Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams > are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and > 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and > Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two dominant > subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and > equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the > Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All > Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they > employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no > commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga (Hadapad), > Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held in > their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to > Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not even > a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is > established between different subcastes. These are highly closed > groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to officiate > at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced the > Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. > Large number of people drawn from different social strata, > particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage > and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the Jain > king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith.> > The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual > and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified with > cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter without > bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this > dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot-water) is > sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act > called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are > adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with > incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and collected > underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' > which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee then > worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and > symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and > ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, for > he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in > the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, > pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with > water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main > participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas sit > on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the > skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam Temple > we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. > Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, > especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the > prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one of > the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not only > the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and goddesses, > especially on the prakara.> > JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) of > Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the > Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite > cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take fish,egg > and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper > or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people tied > beneath the shoulder.> > As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas > in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas > are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is > the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held > in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and > history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. 2. > Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar located > on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in Andhra > Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is > architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his > Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or > Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga > temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only > one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one facing > south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada > river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. > Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. > Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient shrine, > rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and only > for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of > Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva > destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar > Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. > Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine > associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham > in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath Temple > and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas > region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. Nageshwar > Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga > temple. However, the term "daruka vane" in the shloka (religious > verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also > situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. > Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar > Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve > Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ("Lord of > Rama") pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad > Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Thanks to HV for detailed reply on Rudraksham. GPS--- On Sun, 7/6/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_hari wrote: Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_hariRe: Re: jangam Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 2:21 AM Namaskaram. There are few things in the world that has Divinity embodied in it, in its very natural state. Salagrama, Bana lingam, Rudraksha, Spatikam are few among them. Big size Rudraksham is always better. For constant wearing smaller size is used. Rudraksha Malas are being worn during pooja times in one's neck, chest, fore-head, arms and almost all over the body during Pooja times, particularly pradosha times. There is lot of magnetic force in Rudraksha, in Salagrama and in Banam also. But this is a different aspect. Generally the wearing of Rudraksha, Vilwa Leaf all these things contain the heat generated in one's body as the Panchakshara Mantra, Sri Rudra and Siva Upasana increases the heat in the body of the Sadhaka. Lord Parameswara is Agni Swaroopa. He is having Agni in his hand. Halahala in his neck. He is Yagna Swaroopa. When the Sadhaka starts his Upaasana to contain a sudden spurt of heat created in his body due to concentrating the Agni Swaroopa in his mind. In the Same way who is worshipping Sriman Narayana has to wear ThiruMan, Tulasi Mala to contain the sudden coolness rising in the body of the Sadhaka as Sriman Narayana is Jala Tatva--Nara means water in Samskrit and Narayana one who resides in water/ Narayana is in Ksheerabdhi, on the bed of Adi Sesha who is also very cool to touch with. But above all these things we have to understand that all these wearing a Mala, face mark and all other preparations are to prepare our body, mind, and intellect to focus towards that Almighty in whichever form we worship. The Rudraksha Mala can be made with a Silk twine, a Copper or silver twine to wear with. Let Lord Parameswaral Bless us all. With regards. Hari.Venkataraman --- On Sun, 6/7/08, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com> wrote: Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangamom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, 6 July, 2008, 3:34 AM can anybody in our group tell me about processing fresh Rudraksham seeds?...for japamala,wearing. .rosary making. my friend gifted me fresh rudraksha seeds recently. G.PARTHASARATHY. --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangamom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSaturday, July 5, 2008, 4:24 AM Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar is a blessed person. Persons rarely get in to Bhakti aspect. That too Siva Bhakti is rare because Lord Parameswara is the Lord of Vairagya and Atma Gnana. Siva is ob solute, pure, blemish-less Knowledge--Gynana i.e. Self realisation. He is dwelling in every being as Atman. The greatness of Siva and His Leela are described beautifully in Periapuranam in a beautiful Tamil verses and in Thiruvilayadal Puranam . Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar retold some of the stories in a consized and beautiful way with Devotion. Thanks to him. These stories are not mere stories; but conveys deeper meaning, evoke deep sense of Bhakti in the heart of the persons who reads it. It affirms that God will appear before the true Bhakta and Bless him in his life. I thank Shri Selvaratnam Sivakumar. With regards. Hari Venkataraman --- On Fri, 4/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangamom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, 4 July, 2008, 9:15 PM dear shivbhaktom namo bhagawate rudrayashivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar has written various posts in this group earlier on the stories of nayanmars, singing saints, thevaram, tirumurai and other related posts. kindly go through his previous posts where you get more information on these great tamil hymns in praise of lord shiva.as regards procedure for singing at house, in my limited knowledge these are generally sung at temples. shivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar is requested to shed more light on this subject.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy .comom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ ...> wrote:>> can you please detail about the conventional/ traditional procedure for reading thevaram/thiruvasag am in houses by siva baktas/grihastas> your narration of jangamas is excellent.> reading Ramayanam/bagavatam /narayaneeyam have gained popularity with standard procedures.> same is not popular with thevaram etc.> G.PARTHASARATHY.> > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangam> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM> > > > > > > dear shivbhakts> om namo bhagawate rudraya> > during our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a > jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and > the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the > natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted > below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the > information of shivbhakts.> > Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated by > Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the > faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of nature, > Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, ideologies > or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this allows > them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self-> realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect > Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams will > perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the > opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. > Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' > and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the > English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The > Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of > the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava > Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually > Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, > who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to > populate the world> > Jangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins.> > The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam> (Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, Ganiga, > Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams > are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and > 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and > Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two dominant > subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and > equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the > Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All > Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they > employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no > commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga (Hadapad), > Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held in > their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to > Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not even > a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is > established between different subcastes. These are highly closed > groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to officiate > at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced the > Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. > Large number of people drawn from different social strata, > particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage > and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the Jain > king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith.> > The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual > and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified with > cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter without > bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this > dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot-water) is > sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act > called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are > adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with > incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and collected > underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' > which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee then > worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and > symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and > ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, for > he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in > the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, > pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with > water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main > participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas sit > on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the > skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam Temple > we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. > Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, > especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the > prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one of > the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not only > the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and goddesses, > especially on the prakara.> > JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) of > Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the > Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite > cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take fish,egg > and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper > or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people tied > beneath the shoulder.> > As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas > in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas > are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is > the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held > in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and > history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. 2. > Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar located > on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in Andhra > Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is > architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his > Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or > Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga > temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only > one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one facing > south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada > river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. > Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. > Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient shrine, > rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and only > for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of > Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva > destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar > Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. > Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine > associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham > in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath Temple > and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas > region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. Nageshwar > Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga > temple. However, the term "daruka vane" in the shloka (religious > verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also > situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. > Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar > Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve > Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ("Lord of > Rama") pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad > Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Dear GPS, I have recently updated video on Rudraksham in my site http://aboutshiva.com/rudrastakam.htmlyou may check it if you will be able to get benefits from the same. thanks, Amit AroraParthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 Cc: hari <venkataraman_hariSunday, July 6, 2008 11:02:38 PMRe: Re: jangam Thanks to HV for detailed reply on Rudraksham. GPS--- On Sun, 7/6/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangamom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, July 6, 2008, 2:21 AM Namaskaram. There are few things in the world that has Divinity embodied in it, in its very natural state. Salagrama, Bana lingam, Rudraksha, Spatikam are few among them. Big size Rudraksham is always better. For constant wearing smaller size is used. Rudraksha Malas are being worn during pooja times in one's neck, chest, fore-head, arms and almost all over the body during Pooja times, particularly pradosha times. There is lot of magnetic force in Rudraksha, in Salagrama and in Banam also. But this is a different aspect. Generally the wearing of Rudraksha, Vilwa Leaf all these things contain the heat generated in one's body as the Panchakshara Mantra, Sri Rudra and Siva Upasana increases the heat in the body of the Sadhaka. Lord Parameswara is Agni Swaroopa. He is having Agni in his hand. Halahala in his neck. He is Yagna Swaroopa. When the Sadhaka starts his Upaasana to contain a sudden spurt of heat created in his body due to concentrating the Agni Swaroopa in his mind. In the Same way who is worshipping Sriman Narayana has to wear ThiruMan, Tulasi Mala to contain the sudden coolness rising in the body of the Sadhaka as Sriman Narayana is Jala Tatva--Nara means water in Samskrit and Narayana one who resides in water/ Narayana is in Ksheerabdhi, on the bed of Adi Sesha who is also very cool to touch with. But above all these things we have to understand that all these wearing a Mala, face mark and all other preparations are to prepare our body, mind, and intellect to focus towards that Almighty in whichever form we worship. The Rudraksha Mala can be made with a Silk twine, a Copper or silver twine to wear with. Let Lord Parameswaral Bless us all. With regards. Hari.Venkataraman --- On Sun, 6/7/08, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com> wrote: Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangamom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, 6 July, 2008, 3:34 AM can anybody in our group tell me about processing fresh Rudraksham seeds?...for japamala,wearing. .rosary making. my friend gifted me fresh rudraksha seeds recently. G.PARTHASARATHY. --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangamom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSaturday, July 5, 2008, 4:24 AM Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar is a blessed person. Persons rarely get in to Bhakti aspect. That too Siva Bhakti is rare because Lord Parameswara is the Lord of Vairagya and Atma Gnana. Siva is ob solute, pure, blemish-less Knowledge--Gynana i.e. Self realisation. He is dwelling in every being as Atman. The greatness of Siva and His Leela are described beautifully in Periapuranam in a beautiful Tamil verses and in Thiruvilayadal Puranam . Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar retold some of the stories in a consized and beautiful way with Devotion. Thanks to him. These stories are not mere stories; but conveys deeper meaning, evoke deep sense of Bhakti in the heart of the persons who reads it. It affirms that God will appear before the true Bhakta and Bless him in his life. I thank Shri Selvaratnam Sivakumar. With regards. Hari Venkataraman --- On Fri, 4/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangamom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, 4 July, 2008, 9:15 PM dear shivbhaktom namo bhagawate rudrayashivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar has written various posts in this group earlier on the stories of nayanmars, singing saints, thevaram, tirumurai and other related posts. kindly go through his previous posts where you get more information on these great tamil hymns in praise of lord shiva.as regards procedure for singing at house, in my limited knowledge these are generally sung at temples. shivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar is requested to shed more light on this subject.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy .comom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ ...> wrote:>> can you please detail about the conventional/ traditional procedure for reading thevaram/thiruvasag am in houses by siva baktas/grihastas> your narration of jangamas is excellent.> reading Ramayanam/bagavatam /narayaneeyam have gained popularity with standard procedures.> same is not popular with thevaram etc.> G.PARTHASARATHY.> > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangam> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM> > > > > > > dear shivbhakts> om namo bhagawate rudraya> > during our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a > jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and > the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the > natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted > below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the > information of shivbhakts.> > Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated by > Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the > faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of nature, > Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, ideologies > or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this allows > them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self-> realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect > Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams will > perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the > opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. > Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' > and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the > English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The > Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of > the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava > Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually > Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, > who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to > populate the world> > Jangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins.> > The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam> (Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, Ganiga, > Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams > are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and > 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and > Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two dominant > subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and > equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the > Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All > Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they > employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no > commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga (Hadapad), > Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held in > their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to > Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not even > a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is > established between different subcastes. These are highly closed > groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to officiate > at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced the > Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. > Large number of people drawn from different social strata, > particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage > and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the Jain > king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith.> > The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual > and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified with > cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter without > bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this > dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot-water) is > sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act > called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are > adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with > incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and collected > underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' > which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee then > worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and > symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and > ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, for > he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in > the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, > pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with > water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main > participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas sit > on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the > skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam Temple > we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. > Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, > especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the > prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one of > the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not only > the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and goddesses, > especially on the prakara.> > JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) of > Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the > Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite > cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take fish,egg > and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper > or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people tied > beneath the shoulder.> > As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas > in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas > are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is > the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held > in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and > history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. 2. > Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar located > on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in Andhra > Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is > architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his > Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or > Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga > temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only > one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one facing > south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada > river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. > Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. > Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient shrine, > rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and only > for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of > Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva > destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar > Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. > Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine > associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham > in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath Temple > and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas > region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. Nageshwar > Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga > temple. However, the term "daruka vane" in the shloka (religious > verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also > situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. > Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar > Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve > Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ("Lord of > Rama") pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad > Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Amitji Rudraksham means Rudraksha this is what he meant here,you are talking of Rudrashtakam stotra I think,very powerful stotra indeed of Lord Shiva. , Amit Arora <catchamityonline wrote: > > Dear GPS, > > I have recently updated video on Rudraksham in my site http://aboutshiva.com/rudrastakam.html > you may check it if you will be able to get benefits from the same. > > thanks, > Amit Arora > > > > > Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 > > Cc: hari <venkataraman_hari > Sunday, July 6, 2008 11:02:38 PM > Re: Re: jangam > > > Thanks to HV for detailed reply on Rudraksham. > GPS > > --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Sunday, July 6, 2008, 2:21 AM > Namaskaram. There are few things in the world that has Divinity embodied in it, in its very natural state. Salagrama, Bana lingam, Rudraksha, Spatikam are few among them. Big size Rudraksham is always better. For constant wearing smaller size is used. Rudraksha Malas are being worn during pooja times in one's neck, chest, fore- head, arms and almost all over the body during Pooja times, particularly pradosha times. There is lot of magnetic force in Rudraksha, in Salagrama and in Banam also. But this is a different aspect. Generally the wearing of Rudraksha, Vilwa Leaf all these things contain the heat generated in one's body as the Panchakshara Mantra, Sri Rudra and Siva Upasana increases the heat in the body of the Sadhaka. Lord Parameswara is Agni Swaroopa. He is having Agni in his hand. Halahala in his neck. He is Yagna Swaroopa. When the Sadhaka starts his Upaasana to contain a sudden spurt of heat created in his body due to concentrating the Agni > Swaroopa in his mind. In the Same way who is worshipping Sriman Narayana has to wear ThiruMan, Tulasi Mala to contain the sudden coolness rising in the body of the Sadhaka as Sriman Narayana is Jala Tatva--Nara means water in Samskrit and Narayana one who resides in water/ Narayana is in Ksheerabdhi, on the bed of Adi Sesha who is also very cool to touch with. But above all these things we have to understand that all these wearing a Mala, face mark and all other preparations are to prepare our body, mind, and intellect to focus towards that Almighty in whichever form we worship. The Rudraksha Mala can be made with a Silk twine, a Copper or silver twine to wear with. Let Lord Parameswaral Bless us all. With regards. > Hari.Venkataraman > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/7/08, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com> wrote: > > Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 3:34 AM > > > can anybody in our group tell me about processing fresh Rudraksham seeds?...for japamala,wearing. .rosary making. > my friend gifted me fresh rudraksha seeds recently. > G.PARTHASARATHY. > > > --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Saturday, July 5, 2008, 4:24 AM > Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar is a blessed person. Persons rarely get in to Bhakti aspect. That too Siva Bhakti is rare because Lord Parameswara is the Lord of Vairagya and Atma Gnana. Siva is ob solute, pure, blemish-less Knowledge--Gynana i.e. Self realisation. He is dwelling in every being as Atman. The greatness of Siva and His Leela are described beautifully in Periapuranam in a beautiful Tamil verses and in Thiruvilayadal Puranam . Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar retold some of the stories in a consized and beautiful way with Devotion. Thanks to him. These stories are not mere stories; but conveys deeper meaning, evoke deep sense of Bhakti in the heart of the persons who reads it. It affirms that God will appear before the true Bhakta and Bless him in his life. I thank Shri Selvaratnam Sivakumar. With regards. > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Friday, 4 July, 2008, 9:15 PM > > > dear shivbhakt > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > shivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar has written various posts in this > group earlier on the stories of nayanmars, singing saints, thevaram, > tirumurai and other related posts. kindly go through his previous > posts where you get more information on these great tamil hymns in > praise of lord shiva. > > as regards procedure for singing at house, in my limited knowledge > these are generally sung at temples. shivbhakt selvaratnam > selvakumar is requested to shed more light on this subject. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Parthasarathy Gopalan > <gsarathy32@ ...> wrote: > > > > can you please detail about the conventional/ traditional procedure > for reading thevaram/thiruvasag am in houses by siva baktas/grihastas > > your narration of jangamas is excellent. > > reading Ramayanam/bagavatam /narayaneeyam have gained popularity > with standard procedures. > > same is not popular with thevaram etc. > > G.PARTHASARATHY. > > > > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangam > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear shivbhakts > > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > > > during our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a > > jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and > > the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the > > natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted > > below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the > > information of shivbhakts. > > > > Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated > by > > Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the > > faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of > nature, > > Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, > ideologies > > or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this > allows > > them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self- > > realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect > > Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams > will > > perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the > > opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. > > Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' > > and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the > > English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The > > Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of > > the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava > > Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually > > Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, > > who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to > > populate the world > > > > Jangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins. > > > > The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam > > (Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, > Ganiga, > > Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams > > are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and > > 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and > > Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two > dominant > > subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and > > equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the > > Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All > > Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they > > employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no > > commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga > (Hadapad), > > Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held > in > > their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to > > Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not > even > > a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is > > established between different subcastes. These are highly closed > > groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to > officiate > > at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced > the > > Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. > > Large number of people drawn from different social strata, > > particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage > > and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the > Jain > > king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith. > > > > The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual > > and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified > with > > cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter > without > > bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this > > dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot- water) > is > > sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act > > called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are > > adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with > > incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and > collected > > underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' > > which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee > then > > worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and > > symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and > > ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, > for > > he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in > > the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, > > pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with > > water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main > > participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas > sit > > on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the > > skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam > Temple > > we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. > > Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, > > especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the > > prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one > of > > the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not > only > > the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and > goddesses, > > especially on the prakara. > > > > JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) > of > > Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the > > Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite > > cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take > fish,egg > > and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper > > or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people > tied > > beneath the shoulder. > > > > As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas > > in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas > > are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is > > the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held > > in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and > > history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. > 2. > > Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar > located > > on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in > Andhra > > Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is > > architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his > > Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or > > Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only > > one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one > facing > > south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada > > river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. > > Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. > > Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient > shrine, > > rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and > only > > for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of > > Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva > > destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar > > Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. > > Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine > > associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham > > in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath > Temple > > and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas > > region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. > Nageshwar > > Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. However, the term " daruka vane " in the shloka (religious > > verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also > > situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. > > Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar > > Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve > > Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ( " Lord of > > Rama " ) pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad > > Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > ________________________________ > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > > > ________________________________ > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 thank you AA! gps--- On Mon, 7/7/08, tpmods <no_reply > wrote: tpmods <no_reply > Re: jangam Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 7:33 PM AmitjiRudraksham means Rudraksha this is what he meant here,you are talking of Rudrashtakam stotra I think,very powerful stotra indeed of Lord Shiva.om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Amit Arora <catchamityonline@ ...> wrote:>> Dear GPS, > > I have recently updated video on Rudraksham in my site http://aboutshiva. com/rudrastakam. html> you may check it if you will be able to get benefits from the same. > > thanks, > Amit Arora> > > > > Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ ...>> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Cc: hari <venkataraman_ hari> Sunday, July 6, 2008 11:02:38 PM> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam> > > Thanks to HV for detailed reply on Rudraksham.> GPS> > --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> > Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Sunday, July 6, 2008, 2:21 AM> > > > > > > > Namaskaram. There are few things in the world that has Divinity embodied in it, in its very natural state. Salagrama, Bana lingam, Rudraksha, Spatikam are few among them. Big size Rudraksham is always better. For constant wearing smaller size is used. Rudraksha Malas are being worn during pooja times in one's neck, chest, fore-head, arms and almost all over the body during Pooja times, particularly pradosha times. There is lot of magnetic force in Rudraksha, in Salagrama and in Banam also. But this is a different aspect. Generally the wearing of Rudraksha, Vilwa Leaf all these things contain the heat generated in one's body as the Panchakshara Mantra, Sri Rudra and Siva Upasana increases the heat in the body of the Sadhaka. Lord Parameswara is Agni Swaroopa. He is having Agni in his hand. Halahala in his neck. He is Yagna Swaroopa. When the Sadhaka starts his Upaasana to contain a sudden spurt of heat created in his body due to concentrating the Agni> Swaroopa in his mind. In the Same way who is worshipping Sriman Narayana has to wear ThiruMan, Tulasi Mala to contain the sudden coolness rising in the body of the Sadhaka as Sriman Narayana is Jala Tatva--Nara means water in Samskrit and Narayana one who resides in water/ Narayana is in Ksheerabdhi, on the bed of Adi Sesha who is also very cool to touch with. But above all these things we have to understand that all these wearing a Mala, face mark and all other preparations are to prepare our body, mind, and intellect to focus towards that Almighty in whichever form we worship. The Rudraksha Mala can be made with a Silk twine, a Copper or silver twine to wear with. Let Lord Parameswaral Bless us all. With regards. > Hari.Venkataraman> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/7/08, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ grouply. com> wrote:> > Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ grouply. com>> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 3:34 AM> > > can anybody in our group tell me about processing fresh Rudraksham seeds?...for japamala,wearing. .rosary making.> my friend gifted me fresh rudraksha seeds recently.> G.PARTHASARATHY.> > > --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> > Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Saturday, July 5, 2008, 4:24 AM> > > > > > > > Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar is a blessed person. Persons rarely get in to Bhakti aspect. That too Siva Bhakti is rare because Lord Parameswara is the Lord of Vairagya and Atma Gnana. Siva is ob solute, pure, blemish-less Knowledge--Gynana i.e. Self realisation. He is dwelling in every being as Atman. The greatness of Siva and His Leela are described beautifully in Periapuranam in a beautiful Tamil verses and in Thiruvilayadal Puranam . Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar retold some of the stories in a consized and beautiful way with Devotion. Thanks to him. These stories are not mere stories; but conveys deeper meaning, evoke deep sense of Bhakti in the heart of the persons who reads it. It affirms that God will appear before the true Bhakta and Bless him in his life. I thank Shri Selvaratnam Sivakumar. With regards. > Hari Venkataraman> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Friday, 4 July, 2008, 9:15 PM> > > dear shivbhakt> om namo bhagawate rudraya> > shivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar has written various posts in this > group earlier on the stories of nayanmars, singing saints, thevaram, > tirumurai and other related posts. kindly go through his previous > posts where you get more information on these great tamil hymns in > praise of lord shiva.> > as regards procedure for singing at house, in my limited knowledge > these are generally sung at temples. shivbhakt selvaratnam > selvakumar is requested to shed more light on this subject.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Parthasarathy Gopalan > <gsarathy32@ ...> wrote:> >> > can you please detail about the conventional/ traditional procedure > for reading thevaram/thiruvasag am in houses by siva baktas/grihastas> > your narration of jangamas is excellent.> > reading Ramayanam/bagavatam /narayaneeyam have gained popularity > with standard procedures.> > same is not popular with thevaram etc.> > G.PARTHASARATHY.> > > > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangam> > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> > Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear shivbhakts> > om namo bhagawate rudraya> > > > during our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a > > jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and > > the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the > > natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted > > below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the > > information of shivbhakts.> > > > Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated > by > > Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the > > faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of > nature, > > Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, > ideologies > > or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this > allows > > them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self-> > realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect > > Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams > will > > perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the > > opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. > > Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' > > and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the > > English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The > > Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of > > the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava > > Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually > > Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, > > who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to > > populate the world> > > > Jangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins.> > > > The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam> > (Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, > Ganiga, > > Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams > > are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and > > 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and > > Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two > dominant > > subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and > > equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the > > Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All > > Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they > > employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no > > commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga > (Hadapad), > > Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held > in > > their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to > > Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not > even > > a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is > > established between different subcastes. These are highly closed > > groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to > officiate > > at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced > the > > Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. > > Large number of people drawn from different social strata, > > particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage > > and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the > Jain > > king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith.> > > > The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual > > and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified > with > > cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter > without > > bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this > > dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot-water) > is > > sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act > > called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are > > adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with > > incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and > collected > > underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' > > which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee > then > > worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and > > symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and > > ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, > for > > he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in > > the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, > > pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with > > water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main > > participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas > sit > > on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the > > skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam > Temple > > we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. > > Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, > > especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the > > prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one > of > > the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not > only > > the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and > goddesses, > > especially on the prakara.> > > > JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) > of > > Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the > > Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite > > cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take > fish,egg > > and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper > > or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people > tied > > beneath the shoulder.> > > > As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas > > in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas > > are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is > > the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held > > in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and > > history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. > 2. > > Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar > located > > on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in > Andhra > > Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is > > architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his > > Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or > > Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only > > one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one > facing > > south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada > > river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. > > Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. > > Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient > shrine, > > rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and > only > > for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of > > Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva > > destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar > > Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. > > Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine > > associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham > > in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath > Temple > > and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas > > region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. > Nageshwar > > Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. However, the term "daruka vane" in the shloka (religious > > verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also > > situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. > > Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar > > Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve > > Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ("Lord of > > Rama") pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad > > Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy .com> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 SAIRAM, Can somebody please tell ma a site from where I can download RUDRA MANTRA,RAVEN STUTI OF LORD SHIVA and any other MANTRAS related to this. Thanks a lot of the help. Make my life to be the Will of God! anju tpmods <no_reply > Mon, 7 Jul 2008 7:33 pm Re: jangam Amitji Rudraksham means Rudraksha this is what he meant here,you are talking of Rudrashtakam stotra I think,very powerful stotra indeed of Lord Shiva. , Amit Arora <catchamityonline wrote: > > Dear GPS, > > I have recently updated video on Rudraksham in my site http://aboutshiva.com/rudrastakam.html > you may check it if you will be able to get benefits from the same. > > thanks, > Amit Arora > > > > > Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 > > Cc: hari <venkataraman_hari > Sunday, July 6, 2008 11:02:38 PM > Re: Re: jangam > > > Thanks to HV for detailed reply on Rudraksham. > GPS > > --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Sunday, July 6, 2008, 2:21 AM > > > > > > > > Namaskaram. There are few things in the world that has Divinity embodied in it, in its very natural state. Salagrama, Bana lingam, Rudraksha, Spatikam are few among them. Big size Rudraksham is always better. For constant wearing smaller size is used. Rudraksha Malas are being worn during pooja times in one's neck, chest, fore- head, arms and almost all over the body during Pooja times, particularly pradosha times. There is lot of magnetic force in Rudraksha, in Salagrama and in Banam also. But this is a different aspect. Generally the wearing of Rudraksha, Vilwa Leaf all these things contain the heat generated in one's body as the Panchakshara Mantra, Sri Rudra and Siva Upasana increases the heat in the body of the Sadhaka. Lord Parameswara is Agni Swaroopa. He is having Agni in his hand. Halahala in his neck. He is Yagna Swaroopa. When the Sadhaka starts his Upaasana to contain a sudden spurt of heat created in his body due to concentrating the Agni > Swaroopa in his mind. In the Same way who is worshipping Sriman Narayana has to wear ThiruMan, Tulasi Mala to contain the sudden coolness rising in the body of the Sadhaka as Sriman Narayana is Jala Tatva--Nara means water in Samskrit and Narayana one who resides in water/ Narayana is in Ksheerabdhi, on the bed of Adi Sesha who is also very cool to touch with. But above all these things we have to understand that all these wearing a Mala, face mark and all other preparations are to prepare our body, mind, and intellect to focus towards that Almighty in whichever form we worship. The Rudraksha Mala can be made with a Silk twine, a Copper or silver twine to wear with. Let Lord Parameswaral Bless us all. With regards. > Hari.Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/7/08, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com> wrote: > > Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 3:34 AM > > > can anybody in our group tell me about processing fresh Rudraksham seeds?...for japamala,wearing. .rosary making. > my friend gifted me fresh rudraksha seeds recently. > G.PARTHASARATHY. > > > --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Saturday, July 5, 2008, 4:24 AM > > > > > > > > Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar is a blessed person. Persons rarely get in to Bhakti aspect. That too Siva Bhakti is rare because Lord Parameswara is the Lord of Vairagya and Atma Gnana. Siva is ob solute, pure, blemish-less Knowledge--Gynana i.e. Self realisation. He is dwelling in every being as Atman. The greatness of Siva and His Leela are described beautifully in Periapuranam in a beautiful Tamil verses and in Thiruvilayadal Puranam . Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar retold some of the stories in a consized and beautiful way with Devotion. Thanks to him. These stories are not mere stories; but conveys deeper meaning, evoke deep sense of Bhakti in the heart of the persons who reads it. It affirms that God will appear before the true Bhakta and Bless him in his life. I thank Shri Selvaratnam Sivakumar. With regards. > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Friday, 4 July, 2008, 9:15 PM > > > dear shivbhakt > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > shivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar has written various posts in this > group earlier on the stories of nayanmars, singing saints, thevaram, > tirumurai and other related posts. kindly go through his previous > posts where you get more information on these great tamil hymns in > praise of lord shiva. > > as regards procedure for singing at house, in my limited knowledge > these are generally sung at temples. shivbhakt selvaratnam > selvakumar is requested to shed more light on this subject. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Parthasarathy Gopalan > <gsarathy32@ ...> wrote: > > > > can you please detail about the conventional/ traditional procedure > for reading thevaram/thiruvasag am in houses by siva baktas/grihastas > > your narration of jangamas is excellent. > > reading Ramayanam/bagavatam /narayaneeyam have gained popularity > with standard procedures. > > same is not popular with thevaram etc. > > G.PARTHASARATHY. > > > > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangam > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear shivbhakts > > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > > > during our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a > > jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and > > the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the > > natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted > > below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the > > information of shivbhakts. > > > > Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated > by > > Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the > > faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of > nature, > > Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, > ideologies > > or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this > allows > > them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self- > > realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect > > Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams > will > > perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the > > opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. > > Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' > > and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the > > English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The > > Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of > > the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava > > Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually > > Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, > > who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to > > populate the world > > > > Jangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins. > > > > The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam > > (Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, > Ganiga, > > Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams > > are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and > > 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and > > Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two > dominant > > subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and > > equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the > > Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All > > Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they > > employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no > > commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga > (Hadapad), > > Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held > in > > their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to > > Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not > even > > a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is > > established between different subcastes. These are highly closed > > groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to > officiate > > at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced > the > > Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. > > Large number of people drawn from different social strata, > > particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage > > and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the > Jain > > king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith. > > > > The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual > > and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified > with > > cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter > without > > bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this > > dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot- water) > is > > sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act > > called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are > > adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with > > incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and > collected > > underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' > > which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee > then > > worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and > > symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and > > ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, > for > > he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in > > the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, > > pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with > > water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main > > participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas > sit > > on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the > > skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam > Temple > > we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. > > Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, > > especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the > > prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one > of > > the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not > only > > the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and > goddesses, > > especially on the prakara. > > > > JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) > of > > Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the > > Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite > > cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take > fish,egg > > and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper > > or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people > tied > > beneath the shoulder. > > > > As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas > > in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas > > are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is > > the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held > > in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and > > history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. > 2. > > Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar > located > > on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in > Andhra > > Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is > > architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his > > Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or > > Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only > > one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one > facing > > south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada > > river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. > > Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. > > Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient > shrine, > > rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and > only > > for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of > > Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva > > destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar > > Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. > > Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine > > associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham > > in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath > Temple > > and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas > > region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. > Nageshwar > > Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. However, the term "daruka vane" in the shloka (religious > > verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also > > situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. > > Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar > > Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve > > Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ("Lord of > > Rama") pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad > > Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > ________________________________ > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > > > ________________________________ > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > The Famous, the infamous, the lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 dear anju you can try this link...sundari kannanhttp://mailerindia.com/slokas/mantras/index.php?rudram--- On Wed, 7/9/08, anju777 <anju777 wrote:anju777 <anju777Re: Re: jangam Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 12:01 AM SAIRAM, Can somebody please tell ma a site from where I can download RUDRA MANTRA,RAVEN STUTI OF LORD SHIVA and any other MANTRAS related to this. Thanks a lot of the help. Make my life to be the Will of God! anju tpmods <no_reply@ s.com> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com Mon, 7 Jul 2008 7:33 pm [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam Amitji Rudraksham means Rudraksha this is what he meant here,you are talking of Rudrashtakam stotra I think,very powerful stotra indeed of Lord Shiva. om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Amit Arora <catchamityonline@ ...> wrote: > > Dear GPS, > > I have recently updated video on Rudraksham in my site http://aboutshiva. com/rudrastakam. html > you may check it if you will be able to get benefits from the same. > > thanks, > Amit Arora > > > > > Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ ...> > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Cc: hari <venkataraman_ hari > Sunday, July 6, 2008 11:02:38 PM > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > > > Thanks to HV for detailed reply on Rudraksham. > GPS > > --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Sunday, July 6, 2008, 2:21 AM > > > > > > > > Namaskaram. There are few things in the world that has Divinity embodied in it, in its very natural state. Salagrama, Bana lingam, Rudraksha, Spatikam are few among them. Big size Rudraksham is always better. For constant wearing smaller size is used. Rudraksha Malas are being worn during pooja times in one's neck, chest, fore- head, arms and almost all over the body during Pooja times, particularly pradosha times. There is lot of magnetic force in Rudraksha, in Salagrama and in Banam also. But this is a different aspect. Generally the wearing of Rudraksha, Vilwa Leaf all these things contain the heat generated in one's body as the Panchakshara Mantra, Sri Rudra and Siva Upasana increases the heat in the body of the Sadhaka. Lord Parameswara is Agni Swaroopa. He is having Agni in his hand. Halahala in his neck. He is Yagna Swaroopa. When the Sadhaka starts his Upaasana to contain a sudden spurt of heat created in his body due to concentrating the Agni > Swaroopa in his mind. In the Same way who is worshipping Sriman Narayana has to wear ThiruMan, Tulasi Mala to contain the sudden coolness rising in the body of the Sadhaka as Sriman Narayana is Jala Tatva--Nara means water in Samskrit and Narayana one who resides in water/ Narayana is in Ksheerabdhi, on the bed of Adi Sesha who is also very cool to touch with. But above all these things we have to understand that all these wearing a Mala, face mark and all other preparations are to prepare our body, mind, and intellect to focus towards that Almighty in whichever form we worship. The Rudraksha Mala can be made with a Silk twine, a Copper or silver twine to wear with. Let Lord Parameswaral Bless us all. With regards. > Hari.Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/7/08, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ grouply. com> wrote: > > Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ grouply. com> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 3:34 AM > > > can anybody in our group tell me about processing fresh Rudraksham seeds?...for japamala,wearing. .rosary making. > my friend gifted me fresh rudraksha seeds recently. > G.PARTHASARATHY. > > > --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Saturday, July 5, 2008, 4:24 AM > > > > > > > > Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar is a blessed person. Persons rarely get in to Bhakti aspect. That too Siva Bhakti is rare because Lord Parameswara is the Lord of Vairagya and Atma Gnana. Siva is ob solute, pure, blemish-less Knowledge--Gynana i.e. Self realisation. He is dwelling in every being as Atman. The greatness of Siva and His Leela are described beautifully in Periapuranam in a beautiful Tamil verses and in Thiruvilayadal Puranam . Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar retold some of the stories in a consized and beautiful way with Devotion. Thanks to him. These stories are not mere stories; but conveys deeper meaning, evoke deep sense of Bhakti in the heart of the persons who reads it. It affirms that God will appear before the true Bhakta and Bless him in his life. I thank Shri Selvaratnam Sivakumar. With regards. > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Friday, 4 July, 2008, 9:15 PM > > > dear shivbhakt > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > shivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar has written various posts in this > group earlier on the stories of nayanmars, singing saints, thevaram, > tirumurai and other related posts. kindly go through his previous > posts where you get more information on these great tamil hymns in > praise of lord shiva. > > as regards procedure for singing at house, in my limited knowledge > these are generally sung at temples. shivbhakt selvaratnam > selvakumar is requested to shed more light on this subject. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Parthasarathy Gopalan > <gsarathy32@ ...> wrote: > > > > can you please detail about the conventional/ traditional procedure > for reading thevaram/thiruvasag am in houses by siva baktas/grihastas > > your narration of jangamas is excellent. > > reading Ramayanam/bagavatam /narayaneeyam have gained popularity > with standard procedures. > > same is not popular with thevaram etc. > > G.PARTHASARATHY. > > > > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangam > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear shivbhakts > > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > > > during our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a > > jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and > > the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the > > natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted > > below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the > > information of shivbhakts. > > > > Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated > by > > Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the > > faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of > nature, > > Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, > ideologies > > or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this > allows > > them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self- > > realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect > > Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams > will > > perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the > > opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. > > Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' > > and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the > > English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The > > Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of > > the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava > > Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually > > Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, > > who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to > > populate the world > > > > Jangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins. > > > > The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam > > (Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, > Ganiga, > > Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams > > are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and > > 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and > > Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two > dominant > > subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and > > equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the > > Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All > > Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they > > employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no > > commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga > (Hadapad), > > Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held > in > > their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to > > Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not > even > > a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is > > established between different subcastes. These are highly closed > > groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to > officiate > > at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced > the > > Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. > > Large number of people drawn from different social strata, > > particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage > > and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the > Jain > > king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith. > > > > The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual > > and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified > with > > cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter > without > > bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this > > dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot- water) > is > > sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act > > called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are > > adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with > > incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and > collected > > underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' > > which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee > then > > worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and > > symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and > > ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, > for > > he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in > > the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, > > pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with > > water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main > > participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas > sit > > on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the > > skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam > Temple > > we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. > > Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, > > especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the > > prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one > of > > the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not > only > > the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and > goddesses, > > especially on the prakara. > > > > JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) > of > > Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the > > Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite > > cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take > fish,egg > > and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper > > or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people > tied > > beneath the shoulder. > > > > As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas > > in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas > > are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is > > the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held > > in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and > > history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. > 2. > > Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar > located > > on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in > Andhra > > Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is > > architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his > > Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or > > Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only > > one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one > facing > > south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada > > river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. > > Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. > > Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient > shrine, > > rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and > only > > for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of > > Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva > > destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar > > Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. > > Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine > > associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham > > in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath > Temple > > and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas > > region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. > Nageshwar > > Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. However, the term "daruka vane" in the shloka (religious > > verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also > > situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. > > Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar > > Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve > > Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ("Lord of > > Rama") pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad > > Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > The Famous, the infamous, the lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 My pleasure and i hope I will receive many suggestions/comments from all group members about this site. This way we all will contribute and add as much information as we can about lord shiva which will be beneficial for many. thanks and warm regards, Amit AroraParthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2008 9:59:10 PMRe: Re: jangam thank you AA! gps--- On Mon, 7/7/08, tpmods <no_reply@ s.com> wrote: tpmods <no_reply@ s.com>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangamom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, July 7, 2008, 7:33 PM AmitjiRudraksham means Rudraksha this is what he meant here,you are talking of Rudrashtakam stotra I think,very powerful stotra indeed of Lord Shiva.om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Amit Arora <catchamityonline@ ...> wrote:>> Dear GPS, > > I have recently updated video on Rudraksham in my site http://aboutshiva. com/rudrastakam. html> you may check it if you will be able to get benefits from the same. > > thanks, > Amit Arora> > > > > Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ ...>> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Cc: hari <venkataraman_ hari> Sunday, July 6, 2008 11:02:38 PM> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam> > > Thanks to HV for detailed reply on Rudraksham.> GPS> > --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> > Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Sunday, July 6, 2008, 2:21 AM> > > > > > > > Namaskaram. There are few things in the world that has Divinity embodied in it, in its very natural state. Salagrama, Bana lingam, Rudraksha, Spatikam are few among them. Big size Rudraksham is always better. For constant wearing smaller size is used. Rudraksha Malas are being worn during pooja times in one's neck, chest, fore-head, arms and almost all over the body during Pooja times, particularly pradosha times. There is lot of magnetic force in Rudraksha, in Salagrama and in Banam also. But this is a different aspect. Generally the wearing of Rudraksha, Vilwa Leaf all these things contain the heat generated in one's body as the Panchakshara Mantra, Sri Rudra and Siva Upasana increases the heat in the body of the Sadhaka. Lord Parameswara is Agni Swaroopa. He is having Agni in his hand. Halahala in his neck. He is Yagna Swaroopa. When the Sadhaka starts his Upaasana to contain a sudden spurt of heat created in his body due to concentrating the Agni> Swaroopa in his mind. In the Same way who is worshipping Sriman Narayana has to wear ThiruMan, Tulasi Mala to contain the sudden coolness rising in the body of the Sadhaka as Sriman Narayana is Jala Tatva--Nara means water in Samskrit and Narayana one who resides in water/ Narayana is in Ksheerabdhi, on the bed of Adi Sesha who is also very cool to touch with. But above all these things we have to understand that all these wearing a Mala, face mark and all other preparations are to prepare our body, mind, and intellect to focus towards that Almighty in whichever form we worship. The Rudraksha Mala can be made with a Silk twine, a Copper or silver twine to wear with. Let Lord Parameswaral Bless us all. With regards. > Hari.Venkataraman> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/7/08, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ grouply. com> wrote:> > Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ grouply. com>> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 3:34 AM> > > can anybody in our group tell me about processing fresh Rudraksham seeds?...for japamala,wearing. .rosary making.> my friend gifted me fresh rudraksha seeds recently.> G.PARTHASARATHY.> > > --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> > Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Saturday, July 5, 2008, 4:24 AM> > > > > > > > Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar is a blessed person. Persons rarely get in to Bhakti aspect. That too Siva Bhakti is rare because Lord Parameswara is the Lord of Vairagya and Atma Gnana. Siva is ob solute, pure, blemish-less Knowledge--Gynana i.e. Self realisation. He is dwelling in every being as Atman. The greatness of Siva and His Leela are described beautifully in Periapuranam in a beautiful Tamil verses and in Thiruvilayadal Puranam . Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar retold some of the stories in a consized and beautiful way with Devotion. Thanks to him. These stories are not mere stories; but conveys deeper meaning, evoke deep sense of Bhakti in the heart of the persons who reads it. It affirms that God will appear before the true Bhakta and Bless him in his life. I thank Shri Selvaratnam Sivakumar. With regards. > Hari Venkataraman> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Friday, 4 July, 2008, 9:15 PM> > > dear shivbhakt> om namo bhagawate rudraya> > shivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar has written various posts in this > group earlier on the stories of nayanmars, singing saints, thevaram, > tirumurai and other related posts. kindly go through his previous > posts where you get more information on these great tamil hymns in > praise of lord shiva.> > as regards procedure for singing at house, in my limited knowledge > these are generally sung at temples. shivbhakt selvaratnam > selvakumar is requested to shed more light on this subject.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Parthasarathy Gopalan > <gsarathy32@ ...> wrote:> >> > can you please detail about the conventional/ traditional procedure > for reading thevaram/thiruvasag am in houses by siva baktas/grihastas> > your narration of jangamas is excellent.> > reading Ramayanam/bagavatam /narayaneeyam have gained popularity > with standard procedures.> > same is not popular with thevaram etc.> > G.PARTHASARATHY.> > > > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangam> > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> > Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear shivbhakts> > om namo bhagawate rudraya> > > > during our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a > > jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and > > the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the > > natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted > > below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the > > information of shivbhakts.> > > > Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated > by > > Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the > > faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of > nature, > > Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, > ideologies > > or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this > allows > > them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self-> > realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect > > Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams > will > > perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the > > opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. > > Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' > > and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the > > English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The > > Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of > > the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava > > Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually > > Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, > > who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to > > populate the world> > > > Jangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins.> > > > The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam> > (Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, > Ganiga, > > Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams > > are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and > > 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and > > Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two > dominant > > subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and > > equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the > > Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All > > Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they > > employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no > > commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga > (Hadapad), > > Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held > in > > their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to > > Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not > even > > a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is > > established between different subcastes. These are highly closed > > groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to > officiate > > at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced > the > > Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. > > Large number of people drawn from different social strata, > > particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage > > and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the > Jain > > king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith.> > > > The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual > > and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified > with > > cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter > without > > bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this > > dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot-water) > is > > sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act > > called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are > > adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with > > incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and > collected > > underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' > > which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee > then > > worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and > > symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and > > ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, > for > > he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in > > the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, > > pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with > > water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main > > participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas > sit > > on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the > > skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam > Temple > > we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. > > Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, > > especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the > > prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one > of > > the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not > only > > the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and > goddesses, > > especially on the prakara.> > > > JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) > of > > Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the > > Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite > > cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take > fish,egg > > and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper > > or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people > tied > > beneath the shoulder.> > > > As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas > > in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas > > are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is > > the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held > > in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and > > history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. > 2. > > Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar > located > > on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in > Andhra > > Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is > > architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his > > Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or > > Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only > > one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one > facing > > south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada > > river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. > > Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. > > Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient > shrine, > > rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and > only > > for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of > > Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva > > destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar > > Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. > > Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine > > associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham > > in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath > Temple > > and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas > > region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. > Nageshwar > > Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. However, the term "daruka vane" in the shloka (religious > > verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also > > situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. > > Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar > > Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve > > Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ("Lord of > > Rama") pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad > > Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy .com> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 OM Namah Sivaya Dear Sri Parthasarathy Gopalan, First of all, I think Ramayana/ Bagavatham etc are popular because they have historical stories (people in particular children love stories).Bible/ Quran are more popular (in terms of number of people reading it) than Ramayana/ Bagavatham, we cannot conclude Christian/ Muslim follow better procedures, they simply assume reading and believing every words in it as the passport to enter sensory heaven. However, both mental and physical purity are very import when we read scriptures, worship Lord Siva, visiting temples, etc. In fact, Swami Vivekananda stated that bakti is eternal and will manifest automatically when one attains purity. Singing thevaram on a regular basis is without doubt is one of the best ways to attain mental purity and hence attain true devotion towards Lord Siva. It is advisable to sing at home in the morning after having a bath and before breakfast, apply vibhuti (bashma) and offer water and white flower to Lord Siva’s picture/statue/linga and say ‘Tiruchitambalam’ ( refers to all pervading Siva (Supreme)-Consciousness/ Paramatman/ Dancing hall (eternal space) of Lord Nataraja) and then sing Thevaram/ Thiruvasagam and then say ‘Tiruchitambalam’ when you finish singing. In thiruvasagam, ‘Sivapuranam’ devotional poem is the masterpiece work of Sage Manikkavasagar, it is alternative to chanting Gayatri Mantra. Many devotees attained spiritual enlightenment and material wealth just by singing Sivapuranam on a regular basis. Thevaram/ Thiruvasagam can be sung by children, householders and renounciates. I must stress that Thevaram/ Thiruvasagam have exceptional rule like chanting ‘OM Namah Sivaya’, they can be chanted at any place, any time and by anyone. I was educated in a Hindu school in Sri Lanka , where students assembled in a prayer room and sang these devotion songs on Fridays before begin their lesson, in Hinduism exams, we had to write Thevaram/ Thiruvasagam and explain their meaning. People normally gather around a person who is about to die and sing these songs and also during funearl rites. In all Tamil Saivite temples, these songs are always sung before a puja finishes. The most important procedure is to say ‘Tiruchitambalam’ before and after singing (this tradition taught by the saints who sang and wrote Thevaram/ Thiruvasagam). Sivaya Namah --- On Fri, 4/7/08, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 wrote: Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32Re: jangam Cc: panditarjun2004Date: Friday, 4 July, 2008, 7:20 AM can you please detail about the conventional/ traditional procedure for reading thevaram/thiruvasag am in houses by siva baktas/grihastas your narration of jangamas is excellent. reading Ramayanam/bagavatam /narayaneeyam have gained popularity with standard procedures. same is not popular with thevaram etc. G.PARTHASARATHY.--- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangamom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM dear shivbhaktsom namo bhagawate rudrayaduring our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the information of shivbhakts.Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated by Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of nature, Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, ideologies or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this allows them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self-realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams will perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to populate the worldJangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins.The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam(Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, Ganiga, Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two dominant subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held in their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not even a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is established between different subcastes. These are highly closed groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to officiate at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced the Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. Large number of people drawn from different social strata, particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the Jain king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith.The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified with cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter without bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot-water) is sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and collected underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee then worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, for he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas sit on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam Temple we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one of the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not only the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and goddesses, especially on the prakara.JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) of Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take fish,egg and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people tied beneath the shoulder.As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. 2. Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar located on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in Andhra Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one facing south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient shrine, rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and only for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath Temple and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. Nageshwar Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga temple. However, the term "daruka vane" in the shloka (religious verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ("Lord of Rama") pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy ..com Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Thank you SS! for giving a fitting mail to my Q. I am blessed. Tamilnadu though birthplace of Thevaram etc,its not that popular like ceylon/esat..singapore etc. Tamil people are more inclined towards Ramayanam,sundarakandam,narayaneeyam ,devi mahatmiyum,bagavatam etc and we can see such groups in all temples regularly. doing in a very systematic way. Such a vigour is not observed in thevaram etc though oaduvars are present in large numbers . I want to chant thevaram etc and i have been going to different people but nobody to guide me properly..even i floated the message thro net ! you are the first person who responded. thank you very much.. now i am chanting thevaram,thiruvasagam etg alone in my house without a proper guru. Siva will show me the way. thank you. GPS --- On Sat, 7/12/08, Selvaratnam Selvakumar <selvauk wrote: Selvaratnam Selvakumar <selvauk RE: jangam Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 2:46 AM OM Namah Sivaya Dear Sri Parthasarathy Gopalan, First of all, I think Ramayana/ Bagavatham etc are popular because they have historical stories (people in particular children love stories).Bible/ Quran are more popular (in terms of number of people reading it) than Ramayana/ Bagavatham, we cannot conclude Christian/ Muslim follow better procedures, they simply assume reading and believing every words in it as the passport to enter sensory heaven. However, both mental and physical purity are very import when we read scriptures, worship Lord Siva, visiting temples, etc. In fact, Swami Vivekananda stated that bakti is eternal and will manifest automatically when one attains purity. Singing thevaram on a regular basis is without doubt is one of the best ways to attain mental purity and hence attain true devotion towards Lord Siva. It is advisable to sing at home in the morning after having a bath and before breakfast, apply vibhuti (bashma) and offer water and white flower to Lord Siva’s picture/statue/ linga and say ‘Tiruchitambalam’ ( refers to all pervading Siva (Supreme)-Conscious ness/ Paramatman/ Dancing hall (eternal space) of Lord Nataraja) and then sing Thevaram/ Thiruvasagam and then say ‘Tiruchitambalam’ when you finish singing. In thiruvasagam, ‘Sivapuranam’ devotional poem is the masterpiece work of Sage Manikkavasagar, it is alternative to chanting Gayatri Mantra. Many devotees attained spiritual enlightenment and material wealth just by singing Sivapuranam on a regular basis. Thevaram/ Thiruvasagam can be sung by children, householders and renounciates. I must stress that Thevaram/ Thiruvasagam have exceptional rule like chanting ‘OM Namah Sivaya’, they can be chanted at any place, any time and by anyone. I was educated in a Hindu school in Sri Lanka , where students assembled in a prayer room and sang these devotion songs on Fridays before begin their lesson, in Hinduism exams, we had to write Thevaram/ Thiruvasagam and explain their meaning. People normally gather around a person who is about to die and sing these songs and also during funearl rites. In all Tamil Saivite temples, these songs are always sung before a puja finishes. The most important procedure is to say ‘Tiruchitambalam’ before and after singing (this tradition taught by the saints who sang and wrote Thevaram/ Thiruvasagam) . Sivaya Namah --- On Fri, 4/7/08, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com> wrote: Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangamom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: panditarjun2004@ Friday, 4 July, 2008, 7:20 AM can you please detail about the conventional/ traditional procedure for reading thevaram/thiruvasag am in houses by siva baktas/grihastas your narration of jangamas is excellent. reading Ramayanam/bagavatam /narayaneeyam have gained popularity with standard procedures. same is not popular with thevaram etc. G.PARTHASARATHY.--- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangamom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM dear shivbhaktsom namo bhagawate rudrayaduring our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the information of shivbhakts.Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated by Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day Himalayan range). As the faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of nature, Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, ideologies or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this allows them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self-realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams will perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to populate the worldJangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins.The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam(Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, Ganiga, Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two dominant subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held in their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not even a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is established between different subcastes. These are highly closed groups from the point of view of connubium Jangam priest to officiate at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced the Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. Large number of people drawn from different social strata, particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the Jain king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith.The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified with cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter without bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot-water) is sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and collected underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama and devotee then worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, for he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas sit on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam Temple we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one of the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not only the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and goddesses, especially on the prakara.JANGAM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) of Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take fish,egg and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people tied beneath the shoulder.As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. 2. Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar located on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in Andhra Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his Sivananda Lahiri here.[citation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one facing south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient shrine, rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and only for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath Temple and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. Nageshwar Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga temple. However, the term "daruka vane" in the shloka (religious verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ("Lord of Rama") pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy ..com Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 SAIRAM, Do you have these Stotras in 3mp so I can download them on my CD,to listen in the car. Thanks. Make my life to be the Will of God! anju tpmods <no_reply > Mon, 7 Jul 2008 7:33 pm Re: jangam Amitji Rudraksham means Rudraksha this is what he meant here,you are talking of Rudrashtakam stotra I think,very powerful stotra indeed of Lord Shiva. , Amit Arora <catchamityonline wrote: > > Dear GPS, > > I have recently updated video on Rudraksham in my site http://aboutshiva.com/rudrastakam.html > you may check it if you will be able to get benefits from the same. > > thanks, > Amit Arora > > > > > Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 > > Cc: hari <venkataraman_hari > Sunday, July 6, 2008 11:02:38 PM > Re: Re: jangam > > > Thanks to HV for detailed reply on Rudraksham. > GPS > > --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Sunday, July 6, 2008, 2:21 AM > > > > > > > > Namaskaram. There are few things in the world that has Divinity embodied in it, in its very natural state. Salagrama, Bana lingam, Rudraksha, Spatikam are few among them. Big size Rudraksham is always better. For constant wearing smaller size is used. Rudraksha Malas are being worn during pooja times in one's neck, chest, fore- head, arms and almost all over the body during Pooja times, particularly pradosha times. There is lot of magnetic force in Rudraksha, in Salagrama and in Banam also. But this is a different aspect. Generally the wearing of Rudraksha, Vilwa Leaf all these things contain the heat generated in one's body as the Panchakshara Mantra, Sri Rudra and Siva Upasana increases the heat in the body of the Sadhaka. Lord Parameswara is Agni Swaroopa. He is having Agni in his hand. Halahala in his neck. He is Yagna Swaroopa. When the Sadhaka starts his Upaasana to contain a sudden spurt of heat created in his body due to concentrating the Agni > Swaroopa in his mind. In the Same way who is worshipping Sriman Narayana has to wear ThiruMan, Tulasi Mala to contain the sudden coolness rising in the body of the Sadhaka as Sriman Narayana is Jala Tatva--Nara means water in Samskrit and Narayana one who resides in water/ Narayana is in Ksheerabdhi, on the bed of Adi Sesha who is also very cool to touch with. But above all these things we have to understand that all these wearing a Mala, face mark and all other preparations are to prepare our body, mind, and intellect to focus towards that Almighty in whichever form we worship. The Rudraksha Mala can be made with a Silk twine, a Copper or silver twine to wear with. Let Lord Parameswaral Bless us all. With regards. > Hari.Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/7/08, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32 (AT) grouply (DOT) com> wrote: > > Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@groupl y. com> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 3:34 AM > > > can anybody in our group tell me about processing fresh Rudraksham seeds?...for japamala,wearing. .rosary making. > my friend gifted me fresh rudraksha seeds recently. > G.PARTHASARATHY. > > > --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Saturday, July 5, 2008, 4:24 AM > > > > > > > > Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar is a blessed person. Persons rarely get in to Bhakti aspect. That too Siva Bhakti is rare because Lord Parameswara is the Lord of Vairagya and Atma Gnana. Siva is ob solute, pure, blemish-less Knowledge--Gynana i.e. Self realisation. He is dwelling in every being as Atman. The greatness of Siva and His Leela are described beautifully in Periapuranam in a beautiful Tamil verses and in Thiruvilayadal Puranam . Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar retold some of the stories in a consized and beautiful way with Devotion. Thanks to him. These stories are not mere stories; but conveys deeper meaning, evoke deep sense of Bhakti in the heart of the persons who read s it. It affirms that God will appear before the true Bhakta and Bless him in his life. I thank Shri Selvaratnam Sivakumar. With regards. > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Friday, 4 July, 2008, 9:15 PM > > > dear shivbhakt > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > shivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar has written various posts in this > group earlier on the stories of nayanmars, singing saints, thevaram, > tirumurai and other related posts. kindly go through his previous > posts where you get more information on these great tamil hymns in > praise of lord shiva. > > as regards procedure for singing at house, in my limited knowledge > these are generally sung at temples. shivbhakt selvaratnam > selvakumar is requested to shed more light on this subject. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Parthasarathy Gopalan > <gsarathy32@ ...> wrote: > > > > can you please detail about the conventional/ traditional procedure > for reading thevaram/thiruvasag am in houses by siva baktas/grihastas > > your narration of jangamas is excellent. > > reading Ramayanam/bagavatam /narayaneeyam have gained popularity > with standard procedures. > > same is not popular with thevaram etc. > > G.PARTHASARATHY. > > > > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangam > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear shivbhakts > > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > > > during our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a > > jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and > > the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the > > natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted > > below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the > > information of shivbhakts. > > > > Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated > by > > Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day=2 0Himalayan range). As the > > faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of > nature, > > Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, > ideologies > > or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this > allows > > them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self- > > realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect > > Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams > will > > perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the > > opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. > > Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' > > and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the > > English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The > > Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of > > the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava > > Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually > > Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, > > who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to > > populate the world > > > > Jangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins. > > =0 A> > The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam > > (Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, > Ganiga, > > Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams > > are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and > > 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and > > Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two > dominant > > subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and > > equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the > > Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All > > Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they > > employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no > > commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga > (Hadapad), > > Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held > in > > their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to > > Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not > even > > a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is > > established between different subcastes. These are highly closed > > groups from the point of view of c onnubium Jangam priest to > officiate > > at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced > the > > Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. > > Large number of people drawn from different social strata, > > particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage > > and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the > Jain > > king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith. > > > > The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual > > and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified > with > > cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter > without > > bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this > > dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot- water) > is > > sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act > > called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are > > adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with > > incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and > collected > > underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' > > which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama a nd devotee > then > > worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and > > symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and > > ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, > for > > he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in > > the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, > > pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with > > water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main > > participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas > sit > > on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the > > skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam > Temple > > we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. > > Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, > > especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the > > prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one > of > > the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not > only > > the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and > goddesses, > > especially on the prakara. > > > > JANG AM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) > of > > Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the > > Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite > > cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take > fish,egg > > and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper > > or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people > tied > > beneath the shoulder. > > > > As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas > > in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas > > are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is > > the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held > > in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and > > history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. > 2. > > Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar > located > > on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in > Andhra > > Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is > > architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his > > Sivananda Lahiri here.[cit ation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or > > Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only > > one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one > facing > > south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada > > river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. > > Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. > > Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient > shrine, > > rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and > only > > for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of > > Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva > > destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar > > Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. > > Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine > > associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham > > in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath > Temple > > and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas > > region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. > Nageshwar > > Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. However, the term "daruka vane" in the shloka (religious > > verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also > > situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. > > Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar > > Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve > > Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ("Lord of > > Rama") pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad > > Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > ________________________________ > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > > > ________________________________ > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Dear Anju, I don't have them in mp3 format but I will try to find some converter so to convert it in mp3. regards, Amit Arorawww.aboutshiva.com"anju777" <anju777 Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:22:35 AMRe: Re: jangam SAIRAM, Do you have these Stotras in 3mp so I can download them on my CD,to listen in the car. Thanks. Make my life to be the Will of God! anju tpmods <no_reply@ s.com> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com Mon, 7 Jul 2008 7:33 pm [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam Amitji Rudraksham means Rudraksha this is what he meant here,you are talking of Rudrashtakam stotra I think,very powerful stotra indeed of Lord Shiva. om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Amit Arora <catchamityonline@ ...> wrote: > > Dear GPS, > > I have recently updated video on Rudraksham in my site http://aboutshiva. com/rudrastakam. html > you may check it if you will be able to get benefits from the same. > > thanks, > Amit Arora > > > > > Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ ...> > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Cc: hari <venkataraman_ hari > Sunday, July 6, 2008 11:02:38 PM > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > > > Thanks to HV for detailed reply on Rudraksham. > GPS > > --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Sunday, July 6, 2008, 2:21 AM > > > > > > > > Namaskaram. There are few things in the world that has Divinity embodied in it, in its very natural state. Salagrama, Bana lingam, Rudraksha, Spatikam are few among them. Big size Rudraksham is always better. For constant wearing smaller size is used. Rudraksha Malas are being worn during pooja times in one's neck, chest, fore- head, arms and almost all over the body during Pooja times, particularly pradosha times. There is lot of magnetic force in Rudraksha, in Salagrama and in Banam also. But this is a different aspect. Generally the wearing of Rudraksha, Vilwa Leaf all these things contain the heat generated in one's body as the Panchakshara Mantra, Sri Rudra and Siva Upasana increases the heat in the body of the Sadhaka. Lord Parameswara is Agni Swaroopa. He is having Agni in his hand. Halahala in his neck. He is Yagna Swaroopa. When the Sadhaka starts his Upaasana to contain a sudden spurt of heat created in his body due to concentrating the Agni > Swaroopa in his mind. In the Same way who is worshipping Sriman Narayana has to wear ThiruMan, Tulasi Mala to contain the sudden coolness rising in the body of the Sadhaka as Sriman Narayana is Jala Tatva--Nara means water in Samskrit and Narayana one who resides in water/ Narayana is in Ksheerabdhi, on the bed of Adi Sesha who is also very cool to touch with. But above all these things we have to understand that all these wearing a Mala, face mark and all other preparations are to prepare our body, mind, and intellect to focus towards that Almighty in whichever form we worship. The Rudraksha Mala can be made with a Silk twine, a Copper or silver twine to wear with. Let Lord Parameswaral Bless us all. With regards. > Hari.Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/7/08, Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ grouply. com> wrote: > > Parthasarathy Gopalan <gsarathy32@ groupl y. com> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 3:34 AM > > > can anybody in our group tell me about processing fresh Rudraksham seeds?...for japamala,wearing. .rosary making. > my friend gifted me fresh rudraksha seeds recently. > G.PARTHASARATHY. > > > --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_ hari (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Saturday, July 5, 2008, 4:24 AM > > > > > > > > Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar is a blessed person. Persons rarely get in to Bhakti aspect. That too Siva Bhakti is rare because Lord Parameswara is the Lord of Vairagya and Atma Gnana. Siva is ob solute, pure, blemish-less Knowledge--Gynana i.e. Self realisation. He is dwelling in every being as Atman. The greatness of Siva and His Leela are described beautifully in Periapuranam in a beautiful Tamil verses and in Thiruvilayadal Puranam . Sri Selvaratnam Sivakumar retold some of the stories in a consized and beautiful way with Devotion. Thanks to him. These stories are not mere stories; but conveys deeper meaning, evoke deep sense of Bhakti in the heart of the persons who read s it. It affirms that God will appear before the true Bhakta and Bless him in his life. I thank Shri Selvaratnam Sivakumar. With regards. > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/7/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Friday, 4 July, 2008, 9:15 PM > > > dear shivbhakt > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > shivbhakt selvaratnam selvakumar has written various posts in this > group earlier on the stories of nayanmars, singing saints, thevaram, > tirumurai and other related posts. kindly go through his previous > posts where you get more information on these great tamil hymns in > praise of lord shiva. > > as regards procedure for singing at house, in my limited knowledge > these are generally sung at temples. shivbhakt selvaratnam > selvakumar is requested to shed more light on this subject. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Parthasarathy Gopalan > <gsarathy32@ ...> wrote: > > > > can you please detail about the conventional/ traditional procedure > for reading thevaram/thiruvasag am in houses by siva baktas/grihastas > > your narration of jangamas is excellent. > > reading Ramayanam/bagavatam /narayaneeyam have gained popularity > with standard procedures. > > same is not popular with thevaram etc. > > G.PARTHASARATHY. > > > > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] jangam > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear shivbhakts > > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > > > during our childhood, our parents used to say that a visit of a > > jangam to a house is treated as the visit of lord shiva himself and > > the jangam shall be given good alms and the jangam blesses the > > natives. these days visiting jangams have become very rare. pasted > > below is a writeup on jangam copied from wikipedia, for the > > information of shivbhakts. > > > > Jangam is an order of wandering monks said to have been initiated > by > > Mahadev in Kailas Parvat (modern day=2 0Himalayan range). As the > > faithful followers of life which is the 'dynamic' element of > nature, > > Jangam people claim not to be confined to 'static' ideas, > ideologies > > or any worldly schemes of social conscription. They feel this > allows > > them to keep their conscience clear and progress towards 'self- > > realization' .Brahmins are the priests in all the temples expect > > Shivalayams( Shiva Temples).In most of the Shiva temples Jangams > will > > perform pooja for Lord shiva. At the heart of Virashaivism is the > > opposition between sthavara, the standing, and jangama, the moving. > > Sthavara is a Sanskrit word from which the English words 'stand' > > and 'static' are derived, while jangama contains a cognate of the > > English 'go.' Jangama is moving, anything coming and going. The > > Jangama is the wandering holy man in Virashaivism. The divinity of > > the Jangama is reflected in many narrative stories in the Basava > > Purana and other collections, and in which the Jangama is actually > > Shiva. There are five founding Jangama preceptors, the pancacarya, > > who emerged from the five heads of Shiva before Brahma started to > > populate the world > > > > Jangama's also called as Veerashaiva Brahmins. > > =0 A> > The following subcastes are there in Lingayats. Lingayats: Jangam > > (Hiramath), Mathapathi, Panchamsali, Kudavakkaliga, Banajiga, > Ganiga, > > Hugar, Kumbhar, Badigar, Navaliga (Hadapad), Madiwalar. The Jangams > > are at the top of the hierarchy among the Lingayats (3% of pop. and > > 2% of land) (:21). Panchamsalis (50% of pop. and 46.5% of land) and > > Kudavakkaliga (21.3% of pop. and 46.5% of land) are the two > dominant > > subcastes. The two groups own an equal amount of land and have and > > equally important socio-economic position in the village. Among the > > Kudavakkaligas, there is strict avoidance of widow re-marriage. All > > Lingayat subcastes believe (a) that they are Lingayats; (b) they > > employ the ritual services of Jangam priests; © they observe no > > commensal restrictions and interdine except with Navaliga > (Hadapad), > > Madiwal and Kimbhar; (d) they attend the marriage ceremonies held > in > > their subcaste and help each other; and (e) owe their allegiance to > > Basavanna (:20). In the course of this study, we found that not > even > > a single case is registered where the affinal relationship is > > established between different subcastes. These are highly closed > > groups from the point of view of c onnubium Jangam priest to > officiate > > at rituals especially at the time of marriage. Jangamas replaced > the > > Brahmin priests. The movement had considerable appeal and impact. > > Large number of people drawn from different social strata, > > particularly low castes, embraced Veerasaivism. The royal patronage > > and political positions which Basava enjoyed under Bijjala, the > Jain > > king, was more than helpful in spreading the faith. > > > > The visit of a Jangama to a home is a sacred event with much ritual > > and symbolism.He goes to the 'god-room' which has been purified > with > > cow-dung paste and to which no member of the family can enter > without > > bathing. His feet are washed by the head of the household and this > > dhulapadodaka (dhula meaning dust and padodaka meaning foot- water) > is > > sprinkled over the people present and through the house in an act > > called mane santi, house-peace. The two big toes of the Jangama are > > adorned with vibhuti and patri leaves, and are worshipped with > > incense. Water or coconut milk is poured over the toes and > collected > > underneath as karunaprasada, 'consecrated offering of compassion,' > > which the Jangama and the devotee drink. The Jangama a nd devotee > then > > worship the istalinga. Though the istalinga is for sole worship and > > symbolically represents the devotee's personal purification and > > ultimate union with Shiva, it needs the Jangama to give it life, > for > > he is a living Shiva. In the initiation rite of Jangama boys and in > > the marriage rite of all Virashaivas, the five pancacarya pitha, > > pontificial seats, are symbolized by five metal pots filled with > > water and betel leaves, linked together and tied to the main > > participants of the ritual by a thread. The pattadevaru Jangamas > sit > > on a throne and wear gold, whereas the ascetic Jangamas sit on the > > skin of a wild tiger. On the prakara (outer) wall of Srisailam > Temple > > we can see many carvings of Jangamas and some sit on living tigers. > > Basava and his deified form of Nandikesvara is an important symbol, > > especially with the virakta matha. He too is to be found on the > > prakara at Srisailam. The Mallikarjuna Temple at Srisailam is one > of > > the five centres of the pancacarya and here are to be found not > only > > the Jyoti linga but many forms of Shiva, and many gods and > goddesses, > > especially on the prakara. > > > > JANG AM The word Jangam is derived from the movable emblem (linga) > of > > Lord Shiva. They migrated from Karnataka in order to propagate the > > Shaivite cult and to act as priests of those who follow shaivaite > > cult. Jangams are pure vegetarians and are forbidden to take > fish,egg > > and mutton.They wear a lingam in a small casket of silver or copper > > or brass around the neck.They carry a cloth for blessing people > tied > > beneath the shoulder. > > > > As a JANGAM he has to visit all the Following Dwadasa Jyothirlingas > > in his lifespan. The names and the locations of the 12 Jyotirlingas > > are mentioned in the Shiva Purana.These shrines are: 1. Somnath is > > the foremost of the twelve Jyotirlinga Shrines of Shiva. It is held > > in reverence throughout India and is rich in legend, tradition, and > > history. It is located at Prabhas Patan in Saurashtra in Gujarat. > 2. > > Mallikârjuna, also called Úrîúaila, is the name of the pillar > located > > on a mountain on the river Krishna. Srisailam, near Kurnool in > Andhra > > Pradesh enshrines Mallikarjuna in an ancient temple that is > > architecturally and sculpturally rich. Adi Shankara composed his > > Sivananda Lahiri here.[cit ation needed] 3. Mahakal, Ujjain (or > > Avanti) in Madhya Pradesh is home to the Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. The Lingam at Mahakal is believed to be Swayambhu, the only > > one of the 12 Jyotirlingams to be so. It is also the only one > facing > > south. 4. Omkareshwar in Madhya Pradesh on an island in the Narmada > > river is home to a Jyotirlinga shrine and the Amareshwar temple. 5. > > Kedarnath in Uttarakhand is the northernmost of the Jyotirlingas. > > Kedarnath, nestled in the snow-clad Himalayas, is an ancient > shrine, > > rich in legend and tradition. It is accessible only by foot, and > only > > for six months a year. 6. Bhimashankar, in the Sahyadri range of > > Maharashtra, contains a Jyotirlinga shrine associated with Shiva > > destroying the demon Tripurasura. 7. Varanasi (Benares) in Uttar > > Pradesh is home to the Vishwanath Jyotirling temple. 8. > > Trimbakeshwar, near Nashik in Maharashtra, has a Jyotirlinga shrine > > associated with the origin of the Godavari river. 9. Baidyanathdham > > in Deoghar, Jharkhand Vaidyanath Temple, also called Vaijnath > Temple > > and Baidyanth Temple is located at Deogarh in the Santal Parganas > > region of Jharkhand in the south west of Keeul Station. 10. > Nageshwar > > Temple, Dwarka in Gujarat is home to the Nageshwar Jyotirlinga > > temple. However, the term "daruka vane" in the shloka (religious > > verse) for Nageshwar has also been interpreted for Jageshwar, also > > situated in the Himalaya. Daruka vane means deodar forest. 11. > > Rameswaram in Tamil Nadu is home to the vast Ramalingeswarar > > Jyotirlinga temple and is revered as the southernmost of the twelve > > Jyotirlinga shrines of India. It enshrines the Rameúvara ("Lord of > > Rama") pillar. 12. Grishneshwar Jyotirlinga shrine, in Aurangabad > > Maharashtra, is located near the rock-cut temples of Ellora. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at > The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 FLV to mp3Thiru <analai_thiru Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:16:48 PMRe: Re: jangam what converter do you needanpudan Thiru Amit Arora <catchamityonline@ >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, July 15, 2008 3:35:56 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: jangam Dear Anju, I don't have them in mp3 format but I will try to find some converter so to convert it in mp3. regards, Amit Arorawww.aboutshiva. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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