Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Om Namah Sivaya The four Great Saivite Teachers (Saints) They did sing at temples they visited. In particular Saint Tiru Jnana Sambandar dedicated most of his very short life (he only lived for 16 years) singing in temples and public places, this is how he reestablished Saivism in South India and put an end to influence of Jainism, he used a pair of golden cymbals (which was given by Lord Siva as a gift) to clap and one of his disciples was playing the Veena while he was singing. These soul-stirring devotional hymns which prised Lord Siva,' OM Namah Sivaya' mantra, Vibuthi, etc, came straight from his heart. Four great singing Saiva Saints (including Tiru Jnana Sambandar) later wrote their own devotional songs on palm leaves for the benefit of mankind and locked them in a room in a great Siva Temple and handed over the key to the temple priest, and many years later, a great king (a great devotee of Lord Siva) by the influence of another Saint had the door opened and found those soul-stirring devotional hymns, but many were completely eaten up by termites( but Lord Siva assured the king that it was His wish that these hymns should never reach ordinary human's hands, as they had the power to cure any disease and even bring dead people to life). The king arranged at least five of these devotional songs known as Tirumurai to be sung at all Tamil Saiva temples, this tradition is still followed in Tamil Saiva temples all over the world. Tirumurai also includes songs sang by many other great Saivite Saints, but the songs sang by the above four are more popular. It is important to note that these Saints performed great miricles by simply singing (even brought back life many years after cremation) , but they never wanted a cult or religion formed after their name, they always conviced people (by singing Lord Siva's Glory) the greatest truth that it is ONLY Lord Siva's Power that did those miricles as the case with everything else in the world. These saints' lives (who lived 1200 years ago) still influence millions of people into taking up spiritual path and their devotional songs without doubt help people to purify themselves and to build great bhakti towards Lord Siva. Saint Ramalinga Swamigal1823-1874 http://www.vallalar.org/WebComponents/FrontPage.aspx?ViewName=Home However, we had the fifth Great singing Saivite Teacher, Saint Ramalinga Swamigal, after a gap of about 1000 years ( the other four mentioned above lived 1000 years ago), he wrote tousands of soul-stirring devotional hymns to revive Saivaism. He assured people that there are more Saints to come whenever necessary to preserve the Saivite religion. Vira Saivaism which originated in the state of Karnadaka also have had Great singing Saints. These soul-stirring devotional hymns also came straight from their heart ( which have the essence of Veda), Useful link : http://www.shivayoga.net/veerashaiva/literature/prophets/prophets.htm Every living being can chant the Maha Mantra 'OM Namah Sivaya', if you chant the mantra with full devotion, in due course without doubt you will enjoy Sivanandam (Inner Bliss). Sivaya Namah Casey <zziegamp wrote: Hello, everyoneThis is the first time I have posted here but I have been reading with great interest for some time. I actually have several questions but one that struck me earlier today is about the singing saints of Saivism. Did they really sing or did they simply 'sing the praises' of Shiva, like worshippers of the God of the Bible?My other question is who can chant Om Namah Shivaya?Regards,Casey Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with for Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Thank you all so very much for your explanations! But I have yet more questions! You see, I asked who could chant Om Nanah Sivaya because I have recently been reading a book, Dancing with Shiva by Sivaya Subramuniyaswami, and in it he says only those who have been... 'ordained' (I do not have the book at hand and cannot remember exactly what he said) may chant the mantra and gain Shiva's blessing. Without this, chanting the mantra, according to him, is next to useless. This bothered me for I have always thought that Shiva is happy whenever a follower chants his mantra in earnest? Afterall, is it not said that he is very easy to please? My second question pertains also to the writings of Sivaya Subramuniyaswami in Dancing With Shiva. Who may wear rudraksha? From much of my reading I have picked up that any follower may but he says, once again, that only those brought into the fold by a Guru may wear them. Are these just his views? Is it a personal decision for one to wear rudraksha or is it tradition that one first be taught by a guru? I, personally, have no guru and have always taken Shiva to be my guru. Is that okay? Casey Om Namah Sivaya The four Great Saivite Teachers (Saints) They did sing at temples they visited. In particular Saint Tiru Jnana Sambandar dedicated most of his very short life (he only lived for 16 years) singing in temples and public places, this is how he reestablished Saivism in South India and put an end to influence of Jainism, he used a pair of golden cymbals (which was given by Lord Siva as a gift) to clap and one of his disciples was playing the Veena while he was singing. These soul-stirring devotional hymns which prised Lord Siva,' OM Namah Sivaya' mantra, Vibuthi, etc, came straight from his heart. Four great singing Saiva Saints (including Tiru Jnana Sambandar) later wrote their own devotional songs on palm leaves for the benefit of mankind and locked them in a room in a great Siva Temple and handed over the key to the temple priest, and many years later, a great king (a great devotee of Lord Siva) by the influence of another Saint had the door opened and found those soul-stirring devotional hymns, but many were completely eaten up by termites( but Lord Siva assured the king that it was His wish that these hymns should never reach ordinary human's hands, as they had the power to cure any disease and even bring dead people to life). The king arranged at least five of these devotional songs known as Tirumurai to be sung at all Tamil Saiva temples, this tradition is still followed in Tamil Saiva temples all over the world. Tirumurai also includes songs sang by many other great Saivite Saints, but the songs sang by the above four are more popular. It is important to note that these Saints performed great miricles by simply singing (even brought back life many years after cremation) , but they never wanted a cult or religion formed after their name, they always conviced people (by singing Lord Siva's Glory) the greatest truth that it is ONLY Lord Siva's Power that did those miricles as the case with everything else in the world. These saints' lives (who lived 1200 years ago) still influence millions of people into taking up spiritual path and their devotional songs without doubt help people to purify themselves and to build great bhakti towards Lord Siva. Saint Ramalinga Swamigal 1823-1874 http://www.vallalar.org/WebComponents/FrontPage.aspx?ViewName=Home However, we had the fifth Great singing Saivite Teacher, Saint Ramalinga Swamigal, after a gap of about 1000 years ( the other four mentioned above lived 1000 years ago), he wrote tousands of soul-stirring devotional hymns to revive Saivaism. He assured people that there are more Saints to come whenever necessary to preserve the Saivite religion. Vira Saivaism which originated in the state of Karnadaka also have had Great singing Saints. These soul-stirring devotional hymns also came straight from their heart ( which have the essence of Veda), Useful link : http://www.shivayoga.net/veerashaiva/literature/prophets/prophets.htm Every living being can chant the Maha Mantra 'OM Namah Sivaya', if you chant the mantra with full devotion, in due course without doubt you will enjoy Sivanandam (Inner Bliss). Sivaya Namah Casey <zziegamp wrote: Hello, everyone This is the first time I have posted here but I have been reading with great interest for some time. I actually have several questions but one that struck me earlier today is about the singing saints of Saivism. Did they really sing or did they simply 'sing the praises' of Shiva, like worshippers of the God of the Bible? My other question is who can chant Om Namah Shivaya? Regards, Casey Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with for Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 dear friend we answered this query earlier in the group but to be specific again, any person in this world of any caste or gender can recite this mantra without any diksha or upadesam by a guru. however, the holy shivapurana narrates in detail in a complete chapter that om is the subtle pranava mantra and namah shivaya (panchakshari) is the gross pranava mantra wherein pranava is meant to be a boat to cross the world. hence to get liberation, the mantra was meant to be recited from chaturdasi to chaturdasi and also some other associated rituals. the shivapurana also gave numbers of 5 lakh times recital for a brahmin, 10 lakh times recital for a kshatriya, 15 lakh times recital for a vaishya and 20 lakh times recital for a shudra to get liberation. since it is practically not possible for a layman or woman to do these many recitals, one must strive to recite as much as one can at any time. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , Casey <zziegamp wrote: > > Thank you all so very much for your explanations! But I have yet more > questions! > > You see, I asked who could chant Om Nanah Sivaya because I have recently > been reading a book, Dancing with Shiva by *Sivaya Subramuniyaswami, > *and in it he says only those who have been... 'ordained' (I do not have > the book at hand and cannot remember exactly what he said) may chant the > mantra and gain Shiva's blessing. Without this, chanting the mantra, > according to him, is next to useless. This bothered me for I have always > thought that Shiva is happy /whenever/ a follower chants his mantra in > earnest? Afterall, is it not said that he is very easy to please? > > My second question pertains also to the writings of *Sivaya > Subramuniyaswami *in Dancing With Shiva. Who may wear rudraksha? From > much of my reading I have picked up that any follower may but he says, > once again, that only those brought into the fold by a Guru may wear > them. Are these just his views? Is it a personal decision for one to > wear rudraksha or is it tradition that one first be taught by a guru? > > I, personally, have no guru and have always taken Shiva to be my guru. > Is that okay? > > Casey > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > The four Great Saivite > > Teachers (Saints) > > > > > > They did sing at temples they visited. In particular Saint /Tiru Jnana > > Sambandar /dedicated most of his very short life (he only lived for > > 16 years) singing in temples and public places, this is how he > > reestablished Saivism in South India and put an end to influence of > > Jainism, he used a pair of golden cymbals (which was given by Lord > > Siva as a gift) to clap and one of his disciples was playing the > > Veena while he was singing. These soul-stirring devotional hymns which > > prised Lord Siva,' OM Namah Sivaya' mantra, Vibuthi, etc, came > > straight from his heart. > > > > Four great singing Saiva Saints (including /Tiru Jnana > > Sambandar) /later wrote their own devotional songs on palm leaves for > > the benefit of mankind and locked them in a room in a great Siva > > Temple and handed over the key to the temple priest, and many years > > later, a great king (a great devotee of Lord Siva) by the influence of > > another Saint had the door opened and found those soul-stirring > > devotional hymns, but many were completely eaten up by termites( but > > Lord Siva assured the king that it was His wish that these hymns > > *should never reach ordinary human's hands*, as they had the power to > > cure any disease and even bring dead people to life). The king > > arranged at least five of these devotional songs known as Tirumurai to > > be sung at all Tamil Saiva temples, this tradition is still followed > > in Tamil Saiva temples all over the world. Tirumurai also includes > > songs sang by many other great Saivite Saints, but the songs sang by > > the above four are more popular. > > > > It is important to note that these Saints performed great miricles by > > simply singing (even brought back life many years after cremation) , > > but they never wanted a cult or religion formed after their name, they > > always conviced people (by singing Lord Siva's Glory) the greatest > > truth that it is ONLY Lord Siva's Power that did those miricles as the > > case with everything else in the world. These saints' lives (who lived > > 1200 years ago) still influence millions of people into taking > > up spiritual path and their devotional songs without doubt help people > > to purify themselves and to build great bhakti towards Lord Siva. > > > > > > Saint Ramalinga Swamigal > > 1823-1874 > > > > http://www.vallalar.org/WebComponents/FrontPage.aspx?ViewName=Home > > > > > > > > However, we had the fifth Great singing Saivite Teacher, Saint > > Ramalinga Swamigal, after a gap of about 1000 years ( the other four > > mentioned above lived 1000 years ago), he wrote tousands > > of soul-stirring devotional hymns to revive Saivaism. He assured > > people that there are more Saints to come whenever necessary to > > preserve the Saivite religion. > > > > Vira Saivaism which originated in the state of Karnadaka also have > > had Great singing Saints. These soul-stirring devotional hymns also > > came straight from their heart ( which have the essence of > > Veda), Useful link : > > http://www.shivayoga.net/veerashaiva/literature/prophets/prophets.htm > > > > > > Every living being can chant the Maha Mantra 'OM Namah Sivaya', if you > > chant the mantra with full devotion, in due course without doubt you > > will enjoy Sivanandam (Inner Bliss). > > > > Sivaya Namah > > > > > > */Casey <zziegamp/* wrote: > > > > Hello, everyone > > > > This is the first time I have posted here but I have been reading > > with great interest for some time. I actually have several > > questions but one that struck me earlier today is about the > > singing saints of Saivism. Did they really /sing/ or did they > > simply 'sing the praises' of Shiva, like worshippers of the God of > > the Bible? > > > > My other question is who can chant Om Namah Shivaya? > > > > Regards, > > Casey > > > > > > ------ > > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with for Good > > <http://us.rd./mailuk/taglines/isp/control/*http://us.rd.yaho o.com/evt=51947/*http://uk.promotions./forgood/> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Adding to what panditji has said, we can keep count by counting how many we say in a minute, for example if I do 20 in a miunte, in half hour I will do 600, this way we can add without counting every time. if we count this way, we will have a close estimate of how many times we have recited, this helps initially but once we cross a milestone we will not worry about the count as our mind gets tuned to the great lord shiva. more importantly the count should be something to help us, we should not chant for count, we should chant with bhakti. Om namah shivaya, Divakar panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friendwe answered this query earlier in the group but to be specific again, any person in this world of any caste or gender can recite this mantra without any diksha or upadesam by a guru.however, the holy shivapurana narrates in detail in a complete chapter that om is the subtle pranava mantra and namah shivaya (panchakshari) is the gross pranava mantra wherein pranava is meant to be a boat to cross the world.hence to get liberation, the mantra was meant to be recited from chaturdasi to chaturdasi and also some other associated rituals. the shivapurana also gave numbers of 5 lakh times recital for a brahmin, 10 lakh times recital for a kshatriya, 15 lakh times recital for a vaishya and 20 lakh times recital for a shudra to get liberation.since it is practically not possible for a layman or woman to do these many recitals, one must strive to recite as much as one can at any time.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.com , Casey <zziegamp wrote:>> Thank you all so very much for your explanations! But I have yet more > questions!> > You see, I asked who could chant Om Nanah Sivaya because I have recently > been reading a book, Dancing with Shiva by *Sivaya Subramuniyaswami, > *and in it he says only those who have been... 'ordained' (I do not have > the book at hand and cannot remember exactly what he said) may chant the > mantra and gain Shiva's blessing. Without this, chanting the mantra, > according to him, is next to useless. This bothered me for I have always > thought that Shiva is happy /whenever/ a follower chants his mantra in > earnest? Afterall, is it not said that he is very easy to please?> > My second question pertains also to the writings of *Sivaya > Subramuniyaswami *in Dancing With Shiva. Who may wear rudraksha? From > much of my reading I have picked up that any follower may but he says, > once again, that only those brought into the fold by a Guru may wear > them. Are these just his views? Is it a personal decision for one to > wear rudraksha or is it tradition that one first be taught by a guru?> > I, personally, have no guru and have always taken Shiva to be my guru. > Is that okay?> > Casey> > > > Om Namah Sivaya> > > > The four Great Saivite > > Teachers (Saints)> > > > > > They did sing at temples they visited. In particular Saint /Tiru Jnana > > Sambandar /dedicated most of his very short life (he only lived for > > 16 years) singing in temples and public places, this is how he > > reestablished Saivism in South India and put an end to influence of > > Jainism, he used a pair of golden cymbals (which was given by Lord > > Siva as a gift) to clap and one of his disciples was playing the > > Veena while he was singing. These soul-stirring devotional hymns which > > prised Lord Siva,' OM Namah Sivaya' mantra, Vibuthi, etc, came > > straight from his heart.> > > > Four great singing Saiva Saints (including /Tiru Jnana > > Sambandar) /later wrote their own devotional songs on palm leaves for > > the benefit of mankind and locked them in a room in a great Siva > > Temple and handed over the key to the temple priest, and many years > > later, a great king (a great devotee of Lord Siva) by the influence of > > another Saint had the door opened and found those soul-stirring > > devotional hymns, but many were completely eaten up by termites( but > > Lord Siva assured the king that it was His wish that these hymns > > *should never reach ordinary human's hands*, as they had the power to > > cure any disease and even bring dead people to life). The king > > arranged at least five of these devotional songs known as Tirumurai to > > be sung at all Tamil Saiva temples, this tradition is still followed > > in Tamil Saiva temples all over the world. Tirumurai also includes > > songs sang by many other great Saivite Saints, but the songs sang by > > the above four are more popular.> > > > It is important to note that these Saints performed great miricles by > > simply singing (even brought back life many years after cremation) , > > but they never wanted a cult or religion formed after their name, they > > always conviced people (by singing Lord Siva's Glory) the greatest > > truth that it is ONLY Lord Siva's Power that did those miricles as the > > case with everything else in the world. These saints' lives (who lived > > 1200 years ago) still influence millions of people into taking > > up spiritual path and their devotional songs without doubt help people > > to purify themselves and to build great bhakti towards Lord Siva.> > > > > > Saint Ramalinga Swamigal> > 1823-1874> >> > http://www.vallalar.org/WebComponents/FrontPage.aspx?ViewName=Home> >> > > >> > However, we had the fifth Great singing Saivite Teacher, Saint > > Ramalinga Swamigal, after a gap of about 1000 years ( the other four > > mentioned above lived 1000 years ago), he wrote tousands > > of soul-stirring devotional hymns to revive Saivaism. He assured > > people that there are more Saints to come whenever necessary to > > preserve the Saivite religion.> > > > Vira Saivaism which originated in the state of Karnadaka also have > > had Great singing Saints. These soul-stirring devotional hymns also > > came straight from their heart ( which have the essence of > > Veda), Useful link : > > http://www.shivayoga.net/veerashaiva/literature/prophets/prophets.htm> > > > > > Every living being can chant the Maha Mantra 'OM Namah Sivaya', if you > > chant the mantra with full devotion, in due course without doubt you > > will enjoy Sivanandam (Inner Bliss).> > > > Sivaya Namah> >> >> > */Casey <zziegamp/* wrote:> >> > Hello, everyone> >> > This is the first time I have posted here but I have been reading> > with great interest for some time. I actually have several> > questions but one that struck me earlier today is about the> > singing saints of Saivism. Did they really /sing/ or did they> > simply 'sing the praises' of Shiva, like worshippers of the God of> > the Bible?> >> > My other question is who can chant Om Namah Shivaya?> >> > Regards,> > Casey> >> >> > -------------------------------> > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with for Good > > <http://us.rd./mailuk/taglines/isp/control/*http://us.rd./evt=51947/*http://uk.promotions./forgood/> > >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Sri Divakarji, Pranams. Excellent piece of advise - this is the correct Mantra -Unless there is Eeswara Sankalpa nothing happens in this material world. All pre-destined. MBPrasadarao --- Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > Dear Casey, > > even I have heard contradictory suggestions on > chanting mantras and wearing rudraksha, but one > argument that I believe is this, > > When we get a desire to chant " Om namah Shivaya " > or were rudraksha or do any puja of lord shiva or > visit his temple, the desire is planted by the lord > himself, he chooses when/how we follow him and get > liberated, the liberation process may take many > lifetimes but the call comes from the lord himself. > > based on this if you feel attracted to the lord > shiva and feel like chanting his mantra, then follow > your intuition and go ahead, Intuition is our guru, > it will lead to guru(s), I started my spiritual > journey through the unknown attraction of lord > shiva, I do not have a personal guru, I learn from a > lot of gurus, all the knowledgeble and enlightened > members of this group and people I come across are > my gurus, I learn from them and their experience, in > the same way I am learing from a lot gurus who are > not here physicall but are present in spirit by > reading their books and meditating. > > God Bless you, > Om Namah Shivaya, > Divakar. > > > Casey <zziegamp wrote: > Thank you all so very much for your > explanations! But I have yet more questions! > > You see, I asked who could chant Om Nanah Sivaya > because I have recently been reading a book, Dancing > with Shiva by Sivaya Subramuniyaswami, and in it he > says only those who have been... 'ordained' (I do > not have the book at hand and cannot remember > exactly what he said) may chant the mantra and gain > Shiva's blessing. Without this, chanting the mantra, > according to him, is next to useless. This bothered > me for I have always thought that Shiva is happy > whenever a follower chants his mantra in earnest? > Afterall, is it not said that he is very easy to > please? > > My second question pertains also to the writings of > Sivaya Subramuniyaswami in Dancing With Shiva. Who > may wear rudraksha? From much of my reading I have > picked up that any follower may but he says, once > again, that only those brought into the fold by a > Guru may wear them. Are these just his views? Is it > a personal decision for one to wear rudraksha or is > it tradition that one first be taught by a guru? > > I, personally, have no guru and have always taken > Shiva to be my guru. Is that okay? > > Casey > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > The four Great > Saivite Teachers (Saints) > > > They did sing at temples they visited. In > particular Saint Tiru Jnana Sambandar dedicated > most of his very short life (he only lived for 16 > years) singing in temples and public places, this is > how he reestablished Saivism in South India and put > an end to influence of Jainism, he used a pair of > golden cymbals (which was given by Lord Siva as a > gift) to clap and one of his disciples was playing > the Veena while he was singing. These soul-stirring > devotional hymns which prised Lord Siva,' OM Namah > Sivaya' mantra, Vibuthi, etc, came straight from his > heart. > > Four great singing Saiva Saints (including Tiru > Jnana Sambandar) later wrote their own devotional > songs on palm leaves for the benefit of mankind and > locked them in a room in a great Siva Temple and > handed over the key to the temple priest, and many > years later, a great king (a great devotee of Lord > Siva) by the influence of another Saint had the > door opened and found those soul-stirring devotional > hymns, but many were completely eaten up by > termites( but Lord Siva assured the king that it was > His wish that these hymns should never reach > ordinary human's hands, as they had the power to > cure any disease and even bring dead people to > life). The king arranged at least five of these > devotional songs known as Tirumurai to be sung at > all Tamil Saiva temples, this tradition is still > followed in Tamil Saiva temples all over the world. > Tirumurai also includes songs sang by many other > great Saivite Saints, but the songs sang by the > above four are more popular. > > It is important to note that these Saints > performed great miricles by simply singing (even > brought back life many years after cremation) , but > they never wanted a cult or religion formed after > their name, they always conviced people (by singing > Lord Siva's Glory) the greatest truth that it is > ONLY Lord Siva's Power that did those miricles as > the case with everything else in the world. These > saints' lives (who lived 1200 years ago) still > influence millions of people into taking up > spiritual path and their devotional songs without > doubt help people to purify themselves and to build > great bhakti towards Lord Siva. > > > Saint > Ramalinga Swamigal > 1823-1874 > http://www.vallalar.org/WebComponents/FrontPage.aspx?ViewName=Home > > However, we had the fifth Great singing Saivite > Teacher, Saint Ramalinga Swamigal, after a gap of > about 1000 years ( the other four mentioned above > lived 1000 years ago), he wrote tousands of > soul-stirring devotional hymns to revive Saivaism. > He assured people that there are more Saints to come > whenever necessary to preserve the Saivite > religion. > > Vira Saivaism which originated in the state of > Karnadaka also have had Great singing Saints. These > soul-stirring devotional hymns also came straight > from their heart ( which have the essence of Veda), > Useful link : > http://www.shivayoga.net/veerashaiva/literature/prophets/prophets.htm > > > Every living being can chant the Maha Mantra 'OM > Namah Sivaya', if you chant the mantra with full > devotion, in due course without doubt you will enjoy > Sivanandam (Inner Bliss). > > Sivaya Namah > > > Casey <zziegamp wrote: > Hello, everyone > > This is the first time I have posted here but I have > been reading with great interest for some time. I > actually have several questions but one that struck > me earlier today is about the singing saints of > Saivism. Did they really sing or did they simply > 'sing the praises' of Shiva, like worshippers of the > God of the Bible? > > My other question is who can chant Om Namah Shivaya? > > Regards, > Casey > > > > > > > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with > for Good > > > > > > > You rock. 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