Rudra and Shiva

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Hello

 

What is the difference between Rudra and Shiva?.

 

Are they the same Gods?.

 

Can anyone tell me anything about the God Murugan and his consort

Valli?.

 

Thank you

 

Joy

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Om Namah Sivaya

Namaste,

The difference between Lord Rudra and Lord Shiva is same as the

difference betweem

Joy, the daughter of <...>

and

Joy, the sister of <...> (assuming you have a brother or sister)

 

There is no difference.For the sake of intellectual discussion, we

can say based on Sri Rudram (Vedic hymn), that Lord Rudra is the

destroyer of the world (he alone remains at the end of cosmic

dissolution), he is the chastiser (so he can be the cause of

unpleasant experiences in life) because he dispenses the fruits of

karma(past actions) and he is the one who takes life away. (causes

death in the material world)

 

Lord Shiva represents the supreme Brahman, who is unconnected or

unattached to anything. He has nothing to do even with this world.

He is pure consciousness and the source of all knowledge. By

knowledge, I mean spiritual knowledge or self knowledge - the

knowledge of Atman or Spirit. So in the Vedic hymn Sri Rudram, we

pray to Lord Shiva to keep aside the weapons of Lord Rudra or direct

those weapons at our shortcomings or infirmities and only show us

his peaceful, beneficient Shiva form. The highest benediction that

you can ask for is spiritual knowledge and we pray to Lord Shiva for

that.

 

I request the knowledgeable members to correct me if I said

something wrong.

 

regards,

Shailendra

 

 

, " joysarahghillie "

<joysarahghillie wrote:

>

> Hello

>

> What is the difference between Rudra and Shiva?.

>

> Are they the same Gods?.

>

> Can anyone tell me anything about the God Murugan and his consort

> Valli?.

>

> Thank you

>

> Joy

>

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Thank you kind Sir or Madam Joybhatnagar_shailendra <bhatnagar_shailendra wrote: Om Namah SivayaNamaste,The difference between Lord Rudra and Lord Shiva is same as the difference betweemJoy, the daughter of <...> andJoy, the sister of <...> (assuming you have a brother or sister)There is no difference.For the sake of intellectual discussion, we can say based on Sri Rudram (Vedic hymn), that Lord Rudra is the destroyer of the world (he alone remains

at the end of cosmic dissolution), he is the chastiser (so he can be the cause of unpleasant experiences in life) because he dispenses the fruits of karma(past actions) and he is the one who takes life away. (causes death in the material world)Lord Shiva represents the supreme Brahman, who is unconnected or unattached to anything. He has nothing to do even with this world. He is pure consciousness and the source of all knowledge. By knowledge, I mean spiritual knowledge or self knowledge - the knowledge of Atman or Spirit. So in the Vedic hymn Sri Rudram, we pray to Lord Shiva to keep aside the weapons of Lord Rudra or direct those weapons at our shortcomings or infirmities and only show us his peaceful, beneficient Shiva form. The highest benediction that you can ask for is spiritual knowledge and we pray to Lord Shiva for that.I request the knowledgeable members to correct me if I said something

wrong.regards,Shailendra , "joysarahghillie" <joysarahghillie wrote:>> Hello> > What is the difference between Rudra and Shiva?.> > Are they the same Gods?.> > Can anyone tell me anything about the God Murugan and his consort > Valli?.> > Thank you > > Joy>

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Dear Shailendra Ji,

 

You have explained it very very nicely.

 

Thanks,

Bhupendra.

bhatnagar_shailendra <bhatnagar_shailendra Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:43:24 PM Re: Rudra and Shiva

 

Om Namah SivayaNamaste,The difference between Lord Rudra and Lord Shiva is same as the difference betweemJoy, the daughter of <...> andJoy, the sister of <...> (assuming you have a brother or sister)There is no difference.For the sake of intellectual discussion, we can say based on Sri Rudram (Vedic hymn), that Lord Rudra is the destroyer of the world (he alone remains at the end of cosmic dissolution) , he is the chastiser (so he can be the cause of unpleasant experiences in life) because he dispenses the fruits of karma(past actions) and he is the one who takes life away. (causes death in the material world)Lord Shiva represents the supreme Brahman, who is unconnected or unattached to anything. He has nothing to do even with this world. He is pure consciousness and the source of all knowledge. By knowledge, I mean spiritual knowledge or self knowledge - the

knowledge of Atman or Spirit. So in the Vedic hymn Sri Rudram, we pray to Lord Shiva to keep aside the weapons of Lord Rudra or direct those weapons at our shortcomings or infirmities and only show us his peaceful, beneficient Shiva form. The highest benediction that you can ask for is spiritual knowledge and we pray to Lord Shiva for that.I request the knowledgeable members to correct me if I said something wrong.regards,Shailendraom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "joysarahghillie" <joysarahghillie@ ...> wrote:>> Hello> > What is the difference between Rudra and Shiva?.> > Are they the same Gods?.> > Can anyone tell me anything about the God Murugan and his consort >

Valli?.> > Thank you > > Joy>

 

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Om Namah Sivaya According to the Great Saivite Saint Appar, there are three aspects of Siva. (1) The lower Siva who dissolves the world and who liberates Jivas from their bondage (Rudra) (2) The higher form is called Parapara. In this form Siva appears as Siva and Sakti (Ardhanarisvara). It has the name Param-Jyoti (Infinate Divine Light / SATCHIDANANDA). Brahma and Vishnu were not able to comprehend this Jyoti. (3) Beyond these two forms is the Param, or the Ultimate Being from whom Brahma, Vishnu, Rudra originate. It is purely the Saiva form. It is Formless. It is

the Sivam of the Saiva Siddhanta. It is Para Brahman of the Upanishads and Vedantins. Saint Appar says: "Everything is the manifestation of Lord Siva. Siva is Narayana, Brahma, the four Vedas, the Holiest, the most Ancient, the

Perfect. Though Siva is all these, He is none of these. He is without name, without birth, death or disease. He is at once the transcendent and the immanent. " Lord Muruga (or Subramanya) is an Avatara (in other word, non other than Lord Siva in a different form) of the Supreme Being Siva. He is also known as the second son of Lord Siva, however He did not born out of a mother’s womb, He was born of Lord Siva’s Third Eye. The consorts of Lord Murugan are Valli and Deivayanai. Valli stands for the Iccha Sakti—the Power of Will. And the other, Deivayanai, stands for Kriya Sakti—the Power of Action. The three Saktis, in the form of Vel(spear)—Jnana Sakti, Valli—Iccha Sakti, and Deivayanai—Kriya Sakti, form part and parcel of Lord Muruga, who is also named as Saktidhara. In this form we can view Lord Muruga as Saguna Brahman, God with attributes and as the ruler of the infinite universes. Strictly speaking, Lord Muruga is Siva Himself, which Lord Muruga Himself

declares in Skanda Upanishad : “O Mahadeva (Great Lord)! I am Achyuta (indestructible) on account of an iota of Thy Grace (having been showered on me). I am full of Knowledge; I am Siva (Auspicious)! What more is to be achieved or desired?” While Vel, Valli and Deivayanai are magnified version of Para Sakti (Divine power of Para Siva {Para Brahman}). There is another form of Lord Muruga which is known as Danda Pani. When He is presented in that form, He stands alone, with the Vel but without Valli or Deivayanai. That also shows that He can be without the forces of Desire and Action, but cannot be without the force of Knowledge. This represents Lord Muruga as Nirguna Brahman, God without attributes and as the silent witness (the all knowing Absolute Being) in the chamber of spiritual heart of every living being. Sivaya Namahjoysarahghillie <joysarahghillie wrote: HelloWhat is the difference between Rudra and Shiva?.Are they the same Gods?.Can anyone tell me anything about the God Murugan and his consort Valli?.Thank you Joy

 

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I see So if Muruga is an Avatar of Shiva does this mean that his consorts are more like Parvati, more like Kali Ma or unlike either of them in character?. Honour to the gods Blessings Joy Selvaratnam Selvakumar <selvauk wrote: Om Namah Sivaya According to the Great Saivite Saint Appar, there are three aspects of Siva. (1) The lower Siva who dissolves the world and who liberates Jivas from their bondage (Rudra) (2) The higher form is called Parapara. In this form Siva appears as Siva and Sakti (Ardhanarisvara). It has the name Param-Jyoti (Infinate Divine Light / SATCHIDANANDA). Brahma and Vishnu were not able to comprehend this Jyoti. (3) Beyond these two forms is the Param, or the Ultimate Being from whom Brahma, Vishnu, Rudra originate. It is purely the Saiva form. It is Formless. It is the Sivam of the Saiva Siddhanta. It is Para Brahman of the Upanishads and Vedantins. Saint Appar says: "Everything is the manifestation of Lord Siva. Siva is Narayana, Brahma, the four Vedas, the Holiest, the most Ancient, the Perfect. Though Siva is all these, He is none of these. He is without name, without birth, death or disease. He is at once the transcendent and the immanent. " Lord Muruga (or Subramanya) is an Avatara (in other word, non other than

Lord Siva in a different form) of the Supreme Being Siva. He is also known as the second son of Lord Siva, however He did not born out of a mother’s womb, He was born of Lord Siva’s Third Eye. The consorts of Lord Murugan are Valli and Deivayanai. Valli stands for the Iccha Sakti—the Power of Will. And the other, Deivayanai, stands for Kriya Sakti—the Power of Action. The three Saktis, in the form of Vel(spear)—Jnana Sakti, Valli—Iccha Sakti, and Deivayanai—Kriya Sakti, form part and parcel of Lord Muruga, who is also named as Saktidhara. In this form we can view Lord Muruga as Saguna Brahman, God with attributes and as the ruler of the infinite universes. Strictly speaking, Lord Muruga is Siva Himself, which Lord Muruga Himself declares

in Skanda Upanishad : “O Mahadeva (Great Lord)! I am Achyuta (indestructible) on account of an iota of Thy Grace (having been showered on me). I am full of Knowledge; I am Siva (Auspicious)! What more is to be achieved or desired?” While Vel, Valli and Deivayanai are magnified version of Para Sakti (Divine power of Para Siva {Para Brahman}). There is another form of Lord Muruga which is known as Danda Pani. When He is presented in that form, He stands alone, with the Vel but without Valli or Deivayanai.

That also shows that He can be without the forces of Desire and Action, but cannot be without the force of Knowledge. This represents Lord Muruga as Nirguna Brahman, God without attributes and as the silent witness (the all knowing Absolute Being) in the chamber of spiritual heart of every living being. Sivaya Namahjoysarahghillie <joysarahghillie (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: HelloWhat is the difference between Rudra and Shiva?.Are they the same Gods?.Can anyone tell me anything about the God Murugan and his consort Valli?.Thank you Joy Sent from Mail. A Smarter Inbox.

 

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