Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Namaste Pradeep Having read this profound article, I wish to ask you anad all others a number of questions please. I have read a number of articles, where it is estimated that some 80-100 million Hindus have been slaughtered, millions of women raped and butchered over the last thousand years. ( supplied in my response below, please read carefully ) My questions are : Seeing that we all came from the same source, and all is Brahman. 1) How come Brahman seems to be doing this to primarily to Hindus when many of the Hindus have been engaged in worship of Brahman for all these thousands of years ? 2) Is Sri Krishna having some kind of murderous fit against those that worship him to be replaced by Allah and Jesus ? 3) What are the lessons we are supposed to learn from getting murdered by the millions ? 4) When the women are raped, buggered and kept as slaves do you think they are being treated with high respects ? 5) With all the millions of Holy men of India, including however many GOD men, how come none have been able to stop this from occurring daily for 1000 years ? Is this the Karma of people of India only ? 6) How has the various saints who controlled their mind and engaged in Brahman been able to lift the people out of poverty, hopelessness and make them live more productive, meaningful lives ? I patiently await your response on these questions. ____________________ Islamic Fundamentals for Hindu Dummies Subramanian Swamy [The writer is a former Union Law Minister] Recently, thanks to Shri Vedantamji of the VHP, I had visited Thondi and Rasathipuram Municipalities of Ramanathapuram and Vellore districts respectively, and was truly shocked by what I saw. Both these municipalities are in Muslim majority areas, and the Local Bodies election had empowered the Muslims with their capture of the municipalities. The Muslim--ruled municipalities have thereafter converted these areas into mini 'Darul Islams', in a Hindustan of 83% Hindus! The minority Hindu areas of the municipality were thus denied civic amenities, funds for schools, garbage clearing etc., and sent notices in Urdu. Hindus were bluntly told convert to Islam if they wanted civic facilities. I could not believe that in South India this was possible where Hindus are actually above national average at 90 percent of the popula tion. I know that in Kashmir valley, Muslims who are in majority have actively or passively connived in driving out half a million Hindus out of their homes and made them refugees in their own country. Temples have been demolished in the valley on a daily basis. The world could not care less. An American had once told me: " Why should we care? Indian democracy is led by the majority who are Hindus and you want us to talk about the human rights of the community of rulers? " Such atrocities are happening not only in Kashmir, but in other parts of India as well in pockets wherever Muslims are in majority, e.g., Mau and Meerut . In pocket boroughs of India thus, Darul Islam has today returned to India after two centuries. Considering that a demographic re-structuring is slowly but surely taking place, with Hindu majority shrinking everywhere, Darul Islam in pockets might indeed, like amoeba, proliferate, coalesce, and jell into a frightening national reality---unless we Hindus wake up and take corrective action now, actions for which we shall of course not get a Nobel Peace Prize. Darul Islam is a Muslim religious concept of a land where Muslims rule, and the non-believers in Islam are termed as 'Dhimmis " . The term 'Dhimmi' was coined after the Jews were crushed in Medina [Khaybar to be exact], and the defeated Jews accepted that if they did not convert to Islam, then they would accept second class status politically, culturally, and religiously. This included zero civil rights including the right to modesty of women, and the special tax jizya. There is thus no scope for Muslims and non-Muslims uniting as equals in the political, cultural, or social system in a Darul Islam where Muslims rule. Secular order in India thus is possible only when Muslims are not in power. Thondi, Rasathipuram, and other places prove that the Muslim mind suffers from a dangerous duality---of seeking secularism when out of power and imposing a brutal demeaning theocracy for non-Muslims when in power. It is this duality that patriotic Hindus must re-shape by modern education and other means, as also retain its demographic overwhelming majority in India . We do not have much time, in fact about 45 years, as the X-graph of statistical regressions estimated by J.S. Bajaj and colleagues shows. 'X' represents the two trends-Hindu percentage declining and Muslim percentage rising, and intersecting in the year 2061. The 'dhimmitude' of Jews in Medina and later in Mecca represents the beginning of religious apartheid inherent and basic to Islamic mores, and practiced long before what we saw in South Africa on the basis of colour and race, and that which became prevalent during the Islamic imperialist rule in parts of India. Hindus were dhimmis for six hundred years in those parts of India despite being a bigger majority in the country than even today. Hence, a majority is not enough. Hindus need also a Hindu mindset to be free. In his Presidential address to the Muslim League in Lahore in 1940, Mohammed Ali Jinnah had articulated this concept of apartheid in his own inimitable way: " To visualize Hindus and Muslims in India uniting to create a common nation is a mythical concept. It is only a fancy dream of some unawakened Hindu leaders.The truth is that Hindus and Muslims are two different civilisations. since their thought process grow on different beliefs. " Large sections of Muslims in India then had rejected Jinnah and his concept of non-compatibility of Muslims with Hindus. But after Independence and Partition, instead of building on this rejection by many Muslims, the Nehru era saw increasing pandering precisely to the religious element that believed in this apartheid. Indira Gandhi vigorously continued this appeasement thereby nurturing the apartheid mentality of Muslim orthodoxy. But the final undermining of the enlightened Muslim came when the government capitulated in the Shah Bano case. Thousands of Muslims had demonstrated on the streets demanding that the government not bring legislation that would nullify the Supreme Court's judgment in the Shah Bano case but in vain. Rajiv Gandhi, I learnt later, on counsel from his Italian Catholic family, had surrendered to the hard line clerics who protested that the Supreme Court had no right to interfere and to defacto amend the Shariat, the Islamic law code. These relatives on a directive from the Vatican thought that if secular law would be applied to Muslims, it can be to the Christians too. This was a nonsense argument of the Muslim clerics, since the Shariat had already been amended, without protest, in the criminal law of India . The Indian Penal Code represents the uniform criminal code that equally applies to all religious communities. I therefore ask the clerics: if a Muslim is caught stealing, can any court in India direct that his hand at the wrist be cut off as the Shariat prescribes ? If Muslims can accept a uniform criminal code what is the logic in rejecting the uniform civil code? In India , Dhimmi status for Hindus during Islamic imperialist rule has had other social implications. Defiant Brahmins and Kshatriyas who had refused to convert and chose to remain Hindus, were forced to carry night soil and suffer great indignities for their women folk. Or it meant gross mental torture. Guru Tegh Bahadur, for example, had to see his sons sawed in half, before the pious Guru's own head was severed and displayed in public. The debasement of Hindu society then was such that those targeted valiant Brahmins and Kshatriyas who had refused to convert and thus made to carry night soil, were disowned by other Hindus and declared to be asprashya or " untouchable " . The ranks of the Scheduled Caste community which was not more than 1% of the population before the advent of Islam in India , swelled to 14 percent by the time Mughal rule collapsed. Thus, today's SC community especially those who are still Hindus, consists mostly of those valiant Brahmins and Kshatriyas who had refused to become Muslims but preferred ostracization and ignominy in order to remain Hindus. Hindu society today should offer koti koti pranams to them for keeping the Bhagwa Dhwaj of Hindu religion flying even at great personal cost and misery. I have already written enough in these columns about Hindus being under siege from Islamic fanatics and Christian proselytizers. I have suggested that we can lift this siege only if we develop a Hindu mindset, which is a four dimensional concept. But that mind must be informed, and understand why others do what they do to Hindus before we can defeat their nefarious designs. Here I suggest therefore that we Hindus must understand the true nature of Islam before we can formulate a strategy to defeat those who threaten us. In a later column I will write about the true nature of Christianity and how to combat the menace of religious conversions of Hindus. At this juncture let me add even though I oppose conversion as violence, as Swami Dayanand Sarasvati bold wrote to the Vatican Pope, nevertheless if an Indian Muslim or Christian changes his religion to Hinduism today, I will not regard it as conversion because it is a return to the Hindu fold of those whose ancestors had been forcibly converted. Islam is not only and merely what is stated in the Koran. Islam is a trilogy of Koran, Sira and Hadith. This trilogy defines a " true " Muslim or believer. Therefore those who sing praises of the Koran to prove that Islam is intrinsically humane, have not read the Sira and Hadith. While Koran is a compilation of revelations of Allah to Mohammed through angel Gabriel, Sira is essentially a biography of Mohammed, while Hadiths are a collection of proverbs, poems, and practices of Mohammed. Thus Islamic theology is Koran plus what the Prophet said or did. This is borne by content analysis of the trilogy. Koran has 153,000 words, while Sira has 408,000 words, and Hadith compiled by Bukhari has 338,000 words. Hence, Koran is just 17 % of Islam, while Sira and Hadith are 83% and about Prophet Mohammed. For 13 years in Mecca , Mohammed preached the Koran and managed to convert just 150 persons. But in Medina , Mohammed did and said what is contained in Sira and Hadith. Within 10 years he became the King of Arabia, and converted 100 percent of the people who survived the sword of Islam. To enforce his revelations, Mohammed resorted to Jihad, which meant sacred violence as a process of spreading Islam. Holy war is just one phase of Jihad, because Jihad is a process. It is in Sira that one finds a detailed manual of the complete strategy of jihad and political dimension of Islam. Sira is about how Mohammed dealt with those who disagreed with him. In Mecca , Mohammed was conciliatory because he was in a hopeless minority. But he became completely different in Medina , While Koran is personal to every Muslim or believer, Sira and Hadith affect non-believers. Islam as a trilogy is obsessed with what to do with unbelievers and non-believers. Unlike Hinduism, which says not a word against non-believers, in fact says that other religions also lead to God, Islam is harsh on them, and justifies violence against them as sacred. The choice to non-believers in Islam is: convert or accept dhimmitude. Hence, the explanation for Thondi, Rasathipuram, Mau etc., and the duality in ethics practiced by Muslims everywhere. A true Muslim is Dr.Jekyll when in minority, and Mr. Hyde when in majority. So what should we Hindus do ? First, recognize that being a pious Hindu is not enough. Hindus must unite and work to install a Hindu-minded government. If 35% of the 83% Hindus unite to vote for a party, absolute majority is attainable. If Hindu Dharma Acharya Sabha, RSS, and VHP decide to mobilize the voter to support a party that espouses an approved Hindu Agenda, then the union government is within reach through the ballot box. Second, search for those Muslims who are ready to openly and with pride declare that their ancestors were Hindus. My guess is that about 75% of Muslims will be ready to do so. These are the Muslims who can be co-opted by Hindus to fight Islamic fundamentalism. If we do not do so, then the Muslim clerics will have a free run of their fanaticism. For this a required reading is Sri Sri Ravishankar' s Hinduism & Islam: Dedicated to the People of Pakistan Who have Forgotten Their Own Roots [www.artofliving. org]. In this Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has shown how " Muslims have completely forgotten that their forefathers were Hindus, so they have every right to vedic culture " . He in fact traces the pre-Islam origins of the K'aaba and many key words in Koran as of Hindu origin. Third, invest heavily in primary education to make it world class, ban the madrassas for any student below 21 years, and make Sanskrit a compulsory language for all students. ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _______ THE HOLOCAUSTS IN INDIA By Satish Chandra During the Mughal period everywhere the Muslim population in India grew from a few thousands to more than 50 millions. At the same time a continuous strea m of Muslims migrated to India from every where. April is remembered as holocaust month in USA . In April 1945, the liberating allied forces in Germany brought the human killing factories to the attention of the world. More than 11 millions people including 6.5 million Jews were systematically killed in scores of Nazi concentration camps. The world remembers only what you let the world not forget it. The story of Hindu holocausts is of such a magnitude that over the centuries it has reduced the Hindu lives of lesser significance. These thoughts were triggered last month by a visit to the Gadar Memorial Center, San Francisco . This Reflection is a corollary to the article that I recently did on the Spirit of the Gadar. Few remember how the forces of Temur butchered the entire Meerut city of nearly 300,000 population. His anger was ignited when one of his soldiers was beaten to death for raping a Hindu woman. In 1398, Temur invaded India on the pretext that `the Muslim sultans of Delhi were showing excessive tolerance to their Hindu subjects'. Mind it, the Hindus were living in their own homeland! The trails of Hindu carnage particularly in Panipat and Delhi during three months (Sep to Dec) were so devastating that Delhi took 100 years to rebuild it. The Hindu mothers used to hush their crying babies to silence by Temur's name. The Hindukush (means the killing field of the Hindus) in Afghanistan is a living testimony of Hindu genocide when the region was Islamicised. Under the Mughals, the atrocities over the Hindus reached new heights during 48+7 year reign of Aurannzeb and his son. It was a cultural genocide. SAVA MANN JANEU JALANA (nearly 1000 Lbs. of sacred thread worn underneath by `baptised' Hindus put to flame every day) is proverbially etched in the memories. The Hindus had to pay two separate taxes for living in Hindustan ! It was during this period that the Muslim population in India grew from a few thousands to more than 50 millions. At the same time a continuous stream of Muslims migrated to India from every where. The British fully understood the psyche of the Indians drawn from three politically active religions viz. Hinduism, Islam and Sikhism. Their major thrust was to cut the vital roots of Hindu culture by spreading nonsensical theories on the origin of the Hindus, Vedic interpretations, and imposing damaging systems on education, agriculture and flourishing cottage industry. After quelling India 's 1857 Rebellion, they imposed extraordinary levies on land and special taxation that gradually broke the will of the people to live. This is the approach that the Germans took in working the inmates of the concentration to death while keeping them under nourished. The new diseases of plague, small pox, tuberculosis and typhoid not existing in India before the advent of the British started wiping the Indian populace in hundreds and thousands a day. It also happened to the native populations in many countries in North and South America when the European colonisers occupied them. It is the world's first biological warfare! According to the British Gazetteer, 19 millions died of famine. 15 millions died of plague and malaria according to Sir William Digby during 1891-1900. Hundreds died in Bankura, Bengal and Rajputana in the famine 1915-16. 7,251,257 (Yes, more than 7 millions!) died from plague during 1897-1913.The actual numbers may be double. These are the most recent holocaust of India , and the Hindus were the worst hit. The Gandhi movie captures this human condition when Gandhi after his return from South Africa , tours India during 1915-18. During my 1987 tour of Rajasthan, I often wondered at the absence of tall and strong men who could carry 100 Lbs. of battlefield armor of Maharana Pratap as displayed in Agra Fort during 1980's. What happened to the generations of such sturdy men? The same was observed in Gujarat and Bihar . Most men and women were hardly 5' tall and weighing 80 Lbs. Orissa, Bihar and Bengal are still worse. Imagine the lost generations during 1880's through Independence in 1947. In half of his autobiography, My Experiments with Truth, Gandhi has tangentially mentioned how in South Africa the British treated the Muslims as a race better than the Hindus. But the most glaring example of Hindu racial inequity is the crime punishment schedule in Saudi Arabia . There are numerous instances that go to prove that the Hindu life comes cheap. When a member of Nazi death squad was asked, " How could you shoot at the innocent Jews? " The answer was, " Because they don't resist! " A similar question was posed to Gandhi, " Do you believe that your non-resistance policy would work against the Germans? " The Sikhs faced the gruesome genocide after Banda Bahadur Bairagi. It is incredible that his torture-to-death moved Nobel Laureate Tagore 200 years later to compose a poem. According to one reliable source, 43% of the Sikh population in Punjab was literally hunted down during 1716-1738. This holocaust is called Ghalughara in Sikh history. Every Sunday the Sikhs are reminded of it! I owe it to my name, my scholarship and my lofty Hindu heritage for bringing these buried holocausts out so that the present generations stand up to political events in India and overseas. The awareness of these historical monstrosities shall awaken the racial self-esteem of the Hindus. The Hindus in India will emerge strong like the Jews in Israel . The time is ripe for making a documentary on the holocausts of India . I have broached this subject to a young documentary producer, Arti Jain. http://www.sulekha. com/news/ nhc.aspx? cid=452764 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ Veiled Threats to Democracy By Ron Banerjee Friday, November 10, 2006 Rape, genocide and gross human rights violations against ethno-cultural groups induce victims to adopt defensive mechanisms. Hindu women in South Asia adopted traditions to protect themselves from Muslim invaders, who perpetrated the largest holocaust in history against Hindus. According to Dr.Younis Shaikh (Pakistani author of the study " Islam and Women " ™), eighty million were slaughtered and millions of women were raped. Sexual violence occurred on a gory and unimaginable scale: it was standard practice for Islamic warlords like Ghori and Ghazni to unleash the mass rape and enslavement of hundreds of thousands of women after the slaughter of all males. A large percentage of Muslims in South Asia today are the progeny of forcible conversions and systematic rape campaigns by marauding Muslim invaders. As a result, Hindu women often veiled themselves in public to avoid the eyes of rapacious Islamic conquerors. This was especially prevalent in regions with high Muslim populations, such as Hyderabad under the Nizams. The tradition of sati, where Hindu women voluntarily cast themselves onto burning cremation grounds after their husbands’ death, gained widespread acceptance during the Islamic invasions. The most famous instance took place when Muslim invaders overran Chattisgarh in 1568: rather than submit to the rape and slavery that would follow, eight thousand heroic Hindu women committed sati en masse. Western nations with high Islamic immigration rates are also beginning to see mass rape and sexual violence emanating from Muslim fundamentalists. Paul Sheehan of the Sydney Morning-Herald reported the clear link between Australian rapes and Muslim immigrants. In one instance, a Pakistani in Australia charged with rape argued in court that his cultural background is responsible for his acts. Last week, one of Australia ’s senior-most Islamic clerics, Sheikh Hilali, compared unveiled women to uncovered meat who invite rape. In Europe, Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten reported that Oslo police reports found two-thirds of Norwegian sexual crimes are committed by ‘non Western immigrants’. The Swedish Crime Prevention Council reports that males born overseas commit rape at four times the rate of natives Swedes. In both of these nations, Muslim immigrants comprise the largest non European population, which is echoed across Europe . TIME magazine reported in 2002 that sexual assault is rampant in France ’s poverty-stricken suburbs, inhabited primarily by members of the five million-strong French Muslim population. Thus, we are seeing a repeat in the West of what occurred in ancient Hindu civilization: the freedoms enjoyed by liberated women are steadily being eroded by beliefs diametrically opposed to our values of pluralism and freedom. Within some societies, it is customary for women to bear the blame and responsibility for sexual crimes. The niqab and hijab cover female bodies and it is the duty of women at all times to remain covered and avoid male attention. In Pakistan , women are sometimes stoned to death for adultery and imprisoned when they are raped. When Mukhtar Mai’s brother was charged with an offence, Pakistani courts ordered her to be gang-raped by four men for her brother™s offense. Viewed in this light, it is apparent why British PM Blair and Italian PM Prodi have recently raised concerns about the wearing of veils. France has wisely banned the wearing of veils in public schools. Whether or not immigrants can adapt successfully to progressive societies is dependent on how deeply entrenched are the negative values of their homelands. Oppression, enslavement, and sexual violence are rooted within the fundamentalist Islamic psyche. Many Islamic leaders who perpetrated mass rape in South Asia were deeply religious Muslims with considerable authority within the faith. Fundamentalist Muslim attitudes towards women and minorities are so divergent from civilized norms in other cultures that clashes are inevitable. These conflicts can result in drastic changes in the host cultures, such as regional adoption of veils by Hindu women and an upsurge in sati traditions. In Europe , the massive sexual violence perpetrated by Islamic fundamentalists is slowly changing society. Unni Wikan, professor of sociology at University of Oslo , in 2001 blamed Norwegian women for dressing provocatively in front of Muslim men, and suggested that they should adapt themselves to a multicultural society. Western societies will soon be forced to decide whether to protect their democratic traditions or submit to medieval standards of conduct. Ron Banerjee is the director of the Hindu Conference of Canada. He can be reached at letters. I hope these words are not too harsh or cruel ! Namah Sivaya Best Regards Pandit Devindra Maharaj __________________ , Pradeep Balakrishnan <balakrishnanpradeep wrote: > > Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat! > > Dear Shri Hari and Hara's bows to HIS-self in you. > > Please prabhu's do not fire words like arrows on anyone for we all came from the same ... Satyam Shivam Sundaram.... > > Here is a page extracted from Sri Krishna's teachings...it moved my-self-; For all Rudras replace Krishna with Rudra but the message is still the same .. Tat-vama-Shi... > > Uddhava said: " It is very difficult to discard or endure the insults of > the wicked and keep peace of mind. Except your devotees who have firm faith > in your grace, who have taken shelter at Thy feet, who practice the religion > taught by Thee, who are even-minded, no others including even the learned > can overcome the frailties of nature or the force of Your Maya. Human nature > is human nature, O Lord. It is too strong or powerful for men. Therefore, > O best of teachers! O Lord of the universe, Antaryamin of all, kindly explain, > how even an ordinary mortal can attain such tranquility of mind to disregard > the taunts and insults of the wicked. Please explain to me in such a way > that I may grasp it. " > > The Lord said: " O disciple of Brihaspati there is not in the world a sage > who can control his mind when he is pierced by harsh words of the wicked. > > > > > > Even arrows aimed and directed with force at the most vital parts of a > man will not give so much pain as the cruel harsh words of the wicked which > rankle in the heart for ever. > > > > > > O Uddhava, I shall narrate to you a very sacred story of ancient times. > Listen to it with rapt attention. It was recited by an ascetic who was > ill-treated by the wicked, but who bore it with great patience and fortitude, > and who thought it was all due to his own past actions. This was sung by > him. > > > > > > There lived in Avanti a very wealthy Brahmin. But he led a very miserable > life. He earned money by the evil ways of the world. He did business. He > was miserly, covetous and very irritable. He did not spend anything in > charity. He did not greet his relations or guest with kind words even. > He never even attended to the comforts of himself, his wife, children or > servants. He was a human iron-safe hoarding and guarding money. He dwelt > in a house unknown to all religious activities. > > > > As he led such a miserly and impure life, his sons and relatives did not > like him. His wife, daughters and servants got so much disgusted that they > would not do what he liked. He took pleasure only in hoarding money. He > was destitute of righteousness. He never enjoyed his life. So he lost both > this life and the next. The gods presiding over the five Yajnas or daily > sacrifices grew very angry. > > > > > > O liberal Uddhava, his stock of merits was exhausted through his neglect > of the five claimants. Even the wealth which he had hoarded with great > pains and exertion was lost. > > > > > > O Uddhava, some of his wealth was taken by his relatives. Thieves laid > their hands on some. He lost another portion by the anger of the gods or > calamities or accidents and by the lapse of time. Some of it was taken > by men and kings. When his wealth was thus lost he was neglected and cast > away by his own people. He was very much afflicted at heart when he reflected > that his wealth had never been used for the satisfaction of his own desires > or for righteousness. > > > > > > He shed tears when he reflected on his pitiable condition and his voice > was choked. He developed intense disgust for the world. He attained Vairagya > or distaste for worldly possessions and enjoyments like an ascetic. > > > > > > He said to himself, " My experience has indeed been bitter. Alas! Woe unto > me! I deserve it. I have tormented my body in hoarding wealth. I have not > utilised the wealth for the attainment of my desires or righteousness. > I have gained neither righteousness nor my own pleasures. > > > > > > Generally the wealth of the miserly does not contribute to their comfort > or happiness. It only leads to their affliction in this world and leads > them to hell and loss of their soul after their death. > > > > > > The spotless fame of a renowned man and the excellent qualities of a virtuous > man are spoiled by greed, however little it may be, just as a small patch > of white skin or leucoderma spoils even the most beautiful forms. > > > > In acquiring wealth, in improving it when got, in protecting it, in spending > it, in its loss and use, men experience only exertion, fear, anxiety and > delusion. > > > > > > Theft, injury to others, falsehood, hypocrisy, lust, anger, pride, haughtiness, > discord, enmity, distrust, envy, over-indulgence in women, wine and gamblings—these > fifteen evils pertaining to men have indeed, their source in wealth. Therefore > one who is desirous of obtaining the highest good should abandon the evil > known as wealth from a distance. > > > > Also brothers, wives, fathers and friends fall out and soon become enemies > for the sake of a small sum of money. > > > > For the sake of a little money they quarrel and become enraged. They abandon > all prior remembrance and affection, and out of jealousy stand in the way > of one another, attack and kill one another. > > > > Having attained a human birth which is covetable even by gods and a high > place viz., the foremost life of a Brahmin, those who neglect this and > spoil their own interests (viz., Self-realisation) surely reach the most > miserable end. > > > > Having attained this human body, the gateway to heaven and emancipation, > which mortal man would be attached to wealth, the abode of all evil? > > > > > > The miser who hoards and guards his wealth like a Yaksha, who does not > share it with the gods, the Rishis, the Pitris, relatives, friends, lower > animals who all deserve a share, and does not use it for his own self, > falls down. > > > > My life and strength were carelessly spent in the vain acquisition of wealth, > by which men of discrimination attain their goal. What can I do now in > my old age? > > > > > > Why do even learned men who know that wealth is the source of all evils > exert much to obtain wealth which tends to no good purpose? Surely this > world is totally deluded by the Maya of someone. > > > > > > What is the use of wealth or other acquisitions, desire or objects of desire, > for a man who is in the grip of death? What is the use of Karma as it will > only involve him in a never-ending series of births and deaths? > > > > > > Certainly that glorious Lord Hari, who is the Lord of the universe, who > is the embodiment of all the gods, is immensely pleased with me, for He > has brought me to this state in which I am endowed with Vairagya or dispassion > which is a raft or a boat for me to cross the ocean of Samsara or ocean > of births and deaths. > > > > > > I shall lead the rest of my life, if at all there is any left, in penance, > I shall find delight in Atman only. I shall do all that tends to the attainment > of highest good. I shall lead a virtuous life and strive for my salvation. > May the gods, the rulers of the three worlds bless me to attain this state. > Raja Katwanga, attained the abode of Brahma within an hour. " > > > > > > The Lord said: " Having thus resolved in his mind, the great Brahmin of > Avanti cut off all desires and also the knot of egoism in his heart and > became a Sannyasin. He also became tranquil in mind. > > > > > > He wandered alone over the earth with perfect control over his mind, senses > and Pranas and he just entered towns and villages for the sake of alms. > No one knew who he was. Wicked people surrounded, mocked and ill-treated > the old and ugly monk in various ways. > > > > > > Some took away his bamboo staff, some his begging bowl and water pot, some > his seat and someone his rosary and some again, his torn clothes. > > > > > > They would offer to give them back and when he came near laugh at him and > refuse to give them. Sometimes they returned those things but again snatched > them from him. At other times when he was eating his alms near a lake or > a tank, they would pour excretions or spit over his head. They made him > speak when he was observing silence and beat him if he did not do so. > > > > > > Others said, `This man is a thief.' Some tied him with a rope and some > said, `Kill him, Kill him.' Some abused and taunted him and said, `He is > a rogue posing himself to be a righteous man. Having lost all his wealth > and being abandoned by his relatives, he has taken to this course of life.' > > > `Oh, he is very strong. He endures all taunts and remains unshaken like > a mountain. He is very resolute like a heron. He wants to gain his purpose > by silence.Some mocked him often, while others tied him with ropes to a pillar or > a tree, making sport of him as if he were a toy or a bird. Whatever affliction or trouble thus befell him caused by the elements or > the gods or his own body, he thought they were predestined and therefore > must be patiently borne. > > > > > > Even though he was insulted and treated with contempt by wicked men, even > though they tried to make him abandon his saintly course he stuck to his > path of righteousness, quite steadily and sang the following song. > > > > > > The Brahmin said, `Neither this body nor these people nor the gods, nor > the Atman, nor planets, nor Karma nor time is the cause of my pleasure > or pain. The wise say or the Srutis declare that it is the mind that is > the true cause of pleasure and pain, as it sets in motion the wheel of > Samsara. > > > > > > The mind creates desire and the like. It makes the various Gunas function > and through them brings about various Karmas, good, bad or indifferent > for the attainment of such desires. By such actions man gets into bondage > or Samsara (chain of births and deaths) and attains different kinds of > birth according to the nature of his actions. > > > > > > Atman is the self-effulgent, inactive, silent witness of the activities > of the mind. He is the friend of the Jiva. The Jiva identifies himself > with the mind on account of ignorance, and thinks he is the actor. In reality > it is the mind that does everything, who enjoys sense-objects through desires > and mind's active qualities and thus becomes bound. > > > > Charity, the performance of duties of his own Varna and Ashrama, the observance > of Yamas and Niyamas, the study of the Vedas, virtuous actions and the > good observances as fasting on Ekadasi—all these lead to the control of > mind. The control of the mind is the highest form of Yoga. > > > > > > When one's mind is controlled and tranquil, of what use are charity and > the rest for him? If his mind is uncontrolled and restless, of what use, > again, are this charity and the rest? > > > > > > The gods and the organs presided over by them, are under the control of > the mind, but the mind never comes under the control of any one else. This > is a formidable God stronger than the strongest. Therefore, he who can > control the mind is indeed the God of gods. > > > > > > Without curbing or conquering this strong invincible enemy of irresistible > force within, that cuts the very vital parts, some foolish people try to > achieve victories outside creating friends, enemies, or neutrals. Those > who do not conquer the mind make friends and enemies. > > > > > > Deluded men think, `This is my body' and they go astray. They mistake this > body, a mere creation of the mind to be their own and their selves. They > are deluded by the wrong notions of `I', `thine' and `he'. They think `He > is different' and thus wander in the unlimited wilderness of ignorance. > > > > > > If the body is the cause of pleasure and pain, the Atman has nothing to > do with it, because it concerns the two bodies which are made up of the > same earth. The two bodies are really one body. If people are the cause > of my pleasure and pain, the Atman or source of bliss immanent in me as > the only real eternal factor, is present in all of them. If sometimes any > one bites his own lips or tongue with his own teeth inadvertently, with > whom should he be angry for the pain? > > > > > > If the deity is the cause of pain, the Atman has nothing to do with it, > because it is related to two deities i.e., to the two organs presided over > by the two deities. The Devatas who guide the senses are the same in all > beings. If you beat another man in his hand, the presiding deity of the > hand viz., Indra is the same in both. What has this to do with the Atman? > It always remains unaffected. If sometimes, in the same body of a man one > limb strikes against another, with whom should he become angry? > > > > > > If the Atman is the cause of pleasure and pain, such experience must be > considered unreal as the Vedas declare that the essence of Atman is bliss > and that all things but Atman are unreal and transitory. > > > > > > If the Atman or one's own Self is the cause of pleasure and pain, evidently > nothing in that case happens from another. In that case the cause is one's > own nature, pleasure and pain are of the essence of itself, because there > is nothing besides the Atman. If there be, it must be unreal. Therefore > how could there be then any occasion for anger? With whom should one become > angry? There is neither pleasure nor pain. Atman only really exists. > > > > > > If the planets be the cause of pleasure and pain, what have they then to > do with Atman who is unborn, because the planets affect the body only? > Further, one planet exercise an adverse influence on another planet. The > Atman is entirely different from either the planet or the body. With whom > then should one become angry? > > > > > > If work be the cause of pleasure and pain, how can it affect or touch the > pure, actionless and Immortal Atman, because work is possible to any agency > which happens to be unintelligent and intelligent? But the body is unintelligent > and the Atman is pure intelligence. Therefore Karma which is supposed to > be the cause for pleasure and pain does not exist at all. Then with whom > should one become angry? > > > > > > If Time be the cause of pleasure and pain, how can it affect the Atman, > because Atman is Himself Time. Certainly fire cannot be adversely affected > by heat, nor snow by cold. The pairs of opposites cannot affect the immortal > Atman which is beyond them. Therefore who should be angry with whom? > > > > > > He who has attained illumination has fear from no one else. The Atman which > is beyond Prakriti is not affected by the pairs of opposites. Ahamkara > only is the cause of Samsara. Ahamkara only is affected by the pairs of > opposites. > > > > So I shall practise this devotion to the Supreme Self which the most ancient > Rishis had, and I shall cross the unlimited ocean of ignorance. > > > > > > The Lord said: " This was the song sung by that sage who lost his wealth > and attained dispassion, who roamed over the earth as a Sannyasin free > from anxiety and who remained unshaken from his righteous course, though > he was thus ill-treated and insulted by the wicked. > > > > > > The cause of happiness or misery is no other than one's self. It is a delusion > of the mind. This world consisting of friends, neutrals and enemies which > affects a man with pleasure and pain is a delusion of the mind caused by > ignorance. > > > > Therefore, O child! Control the mind perfectly by fixing it on Me. Restrain > the activities of the mind by the force of your intellect. This is the > very gist of Yoga. This is in brief all Yoga. This is the highest aim and > end of Yoga. > > > > > Whoever with a serene mind studies, recites before others or hears this > song of the tranquil, self-restrained Sannyasi immersed in Brahman is not > overpowered by the pairs of opposites. > > Subham DinamAstu! > SarvamSriKrishnaArpanamAstu! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat! Dear Shri Rudra Maharaja Namaste! Prabhu let me try to answer to extent my jiva knows... I have read a number of articles, where it is estimated that some 80-100 million Hindus have been slaughtered, millions of women raped and butchered over the last thousand years. ( supplied in my response below, please read carefully ) >> There is nothing called Hindus, it is all men and women, Rudran did not create religion, it is man. History repeats so the actions done yesterday become reactions today. Here the reacting part is Maha Kal and HE cleans in a swipe... My questions are : Seeing that we all came from the same source, and all is Brahman. 1) How come Brahman seems to be doing this to primarily to Hindus when many of the Hindus have been engaged in worship of Brahman for all these thousands of years ? >> Brahman is a witness for this entire episode which has no interval nor beginning. Brahman’s prakrithi is the doer or called maya which has demi-gods etc. Who wants the jivas suffer in the samsara, but still Brahman is the witness. Why do we expect Brahman to help, bhakthi with no expectation makes the –self- align with the supreme-self. This is exactly what Bholenath wants...is it not? 2) Is Sri Krishna having some kind of murderous fit against those that worship him to be replaced by Allah and Jesus ? >> Atman does not have any guna, They are the manifestations of prakrithi that came from the same seed. 3) What are the lessons we are supposed to learn from getting murdered by the millions ? >> How many times has your jiva spared a mosquito? Or any other helpless insect. Your jiva might have murdered millions of jivas which we do not know ... Lord Pashupathi is a witness...my point is -we- think we have control over things, the point is there is no control of anything over anything...No one can murder anyone, the atma leaves the body but is not dead...the prakrithi makes it appear real...for nothing is real... 4) When the women are raped, buggered and kept as slaves do you think they are being treated with high respects ? >>No they are not. 5) With all the millions of Holy men of India, including however many GOD men, how come none have been able to stop this from occurring daily for 1000 years ? Is this the Karma of people of India only ? >> Because the holy men and GOD men are never holy nor near GOPD. They do not –self- nor will realise. It is maya that makes the mind feel the other side is green. Prabhu the mightly Rudran does not wish anything but imagine the thousands in the group who ask HIM things everyday and every minute. The day the same jivas do service to HIM or HIS devotees or society in a good way, then the jiva becomes Rudra. 6) How has the various saints who controlled their mind and engaged in Brahman been able to lift the people out of poverty, hopelessness and make them live more productive, meaningful lives ? >> because poverty does not exist. What “it” belongs to you is not yours, what belongs to you today is belonging to one tomorrow, what you think you are is not what you will be, what your jiva thinks it knows will be forgotten, your jiva is not yours, which womb our jivas will enter we do not know, we do not remember the past, we die nine times after sleep before waking up, we do not know if we will witness this drama the next minute, we do not control the number of times we breathe, nor we control the air inside the body which has so many holes, we do not know the future, for all these are not in the same people hands who think they have the power to judge other jivas. The same saints do not know what is for them the next instant. The Atman is the silent witness and tries to help the –self- in the jiva I patiently await your response on these questions. >> my –self- answered to the best it knows... SubhaDinamAstu! SarvamSriKrishnaArpanamAstu! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Namaste PradeepThank you so much for these replies, I am now very much aware of why things are the way that they are. I would like you to ponder on one thing " why Rudra means the Howler and he who makes men cry "Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharaj.Pradeep Balakrishnan <balakrishnanpradeep wrote: Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat! Dear Shri Rudra Maharaja Namaste! Prabhu let me try to answer to extent my jiva knows... I have read a number of articles, where it is estimated that some 80-100 million Hindus have been slaughtered, millions of women raped and butchered over the last thousand years. ( supplied in my response below, please read carefully ) >> There is nothing called Hindus, it is all men and women, Rudran did not create religion, it is man. History repeats so the actions done yesterday become reactions today. Here the reacting part is Maha Kal and HE cleans in a swipe... My questions are : Seeing that we all came from the same source, and all is Brahman. 1) How come Brahman seems to be doing this to primarily to Hindus when many of the Hindus have been engaged in worship of Brahman for all these thousands of years ? >> Brahman is a witness for this entire episode which has no interval nor beginning. Brahman’s prakrithi is the doer or called maya which has demi-gods etc. Who wants the jivas suffer in the samsara, but still Brahman is the witness. Why do we expect Brahman to help, bhakthi with no expectation makes the –self- align with the supreme-self. This is exactly what Bholenath wants...is it not? 2) Is Sri Krishna having some kind of murderous fit against those that worship him to be replaced by Allah and Jesus ? >> Atman does not have any guna, They are the manifestations of prakrithi that came from the same seed. 3) What are the lessons we are supposed to learn from getting murdered by the millions ? >> How many times has your jiva spared a mosquito? Or any other helpless insect. Your jiva might have murdered millions of jivas which we do not know ... Lord Pashupathi is a witness...my point is -we- think we have control over things, the point is there is no control of anything over anything...No one can murder anyone, the atma leaves the body but is not dead...the prakrithi makes it appear real...for nothing is real... 4) When the women are raped, buggered and kept as slaves do you think they are being treated with high respects ? >>No they are not. 5) With all the millions of Holy men of India, including however many GOD men, how come none have been able to stop this from occurring daily for 1000 years ? Is this the Karma of people of India only ? >> Because the holy men and GOD men are never holy nor near GOPD. They do not –self- nor will realise. It is maya that makes the mind feel the other side is green. Prabhu the mightly Rudran does not wish anything but imagine the thousands in the group who ask HIM things everyday and every minute. The day the same jivas do service to HIM or HIS devotees or society in a good way, then the jiva becomes Rudra. 6) How has the various saints who controlled their mind and engaged in Brahman been able to lift the people out of poverty, hopelessness and make them live more productive, meaningful lives ? >> because poverty does not exist. What “it” belongs to you is not yours, what belongs to you today is belonging to one tomorrow, what you think you are is not what you will be, what your jiva thinks it knows will be forgotten, your jiva is not yours, which womb our jivas will enter we do not know, we do not remember the past, we die nine times after sleep before waking up, we do not know if we will witness this drama the next minute, we do not control the number of times we breathe, nor we control the air inside the body which has so many holes, we do not know the future, for all these are not in the same people hands who think they have the power to judge other jivas. The same saints do not know what is for them the next instant. The Atman is the silent witness and tries to help the –self- in the jiva I patiently await your response on these questions. >> my –self- answered to the best it knows... SubhaDinamAstu! SarvamSriKrishnaArpanamAstu! Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.Try the Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat!Dear Shri Rudra Maharaj, pranams and namaste!Prabhu, -HE- asks the questions in your-self, HE in my-self- answers.My -self- did not understand the question your's asked. Can you please re-iterate your question?SubhaDinamAstu!SarvamSriKrishnaArpanamAstu!Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj Sent: Friday, 13 July, 2007 10:45:07 AMRE: Re-Dev Maharaj Namaste PradeepThank you so much for these replies, I am now very much aware of why things are the way that they are. I would like you to ponder on one thing " why Rudra means the Howler and he who makes men cry "Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharaj.Pradeep Balakrishnan <balakrishnanpradeep @> wrote: Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat! Dear Shri Rudra Maharaja Namaste! Prabhu let me try to answer to extent my jiva knows... I have read a number of articles, where it is estimated that some 80-100 million Hindus have been slaughtered, millions of women raped and butchered over the last thousand years. ( supplied in my response below, please read carefully ) >> There is nothing called Hindus, it is all men and women, Rudran did not create religion, it is man. History repeats so the actions done yesterday become reactions today. Here the reacting part is Maha Kal and HE cleans in a swipe... My questions are : Seeing that we all came from the same source, and all is Brahman. 1) How come Brahman seems to be doing this to primarily to Hindus when many of the Hindus have been engaged in worship of Brahman for all these thousands of years ? >> Brahman is a witness for this entire episode which has no interval nor beginning. Brahman’s prakrithi is the doer or called maya which has demi-gods etc. Who wants the jivas suffer in the samsara, but still Brahman is the witness. Why do we expect Brahman to help, bhakthi with no expectation makes the –self- align with the supreme-self. This is exactly what Bholenath wants...is it not? 2) Is Sri Krishna having some kind of murderous fit against those that worship him to be replaced by Allah and Jesus ? >> Atman does not have any guna, They are the manifestations of prakrithi that came from the same seed. 3) What are the lessons we are supposed to learn from getting murdered by the millions ? >> How many times has your jiva spared a mosquito? Or any other helpless insect. Your jiva might have murdered millions of jivas which we do not know ... Lord Pashupathi is a witness...my point is -we- think we have control over things, the point is there is no control of anything over anything...No one can murder anyone, the atma leaves the body but is not dead...the prakrithi makes it appear real...for nothing is real... 4) When the women are raped, buggered and kept as slaves do you think they are being treated with high respects ? >>No they are not. 5) With all the millions of Holy men of India, including however many GOD men, how come none have been able to stop this from occurring daily for 1000 years ? Is this the Karma of people of India only ? >> Because the holy men and GOD men are never holy nor near GOPD. They do not –self- nor will realise. It is maya that makes the mind feel the other side is green. Prabhu the mightly Rudran does not wish anything but imagine the thousands in the group who ask HIM things everyday and every minute. The day the same jivas do service to HIM or HIS devotees or society in a good way, then the jiva becomes Rudra. 6) How has the various saints who controlled their mind and engaged in Brahman been able to lift the people out of poverty, hopelessness and make them live more productive, meaningful lives ? >> because poverty does not exist. What “it” belongs to you is not yours, what belongs to you today is belonging to one tomorrow, what you think you are is not what you will be, what your jiva thinks it knows will be forgotten, your jiva is not yours, which womb our jivas will enter we do not know, we do not remember the past, we die nine times after sleep before waking up, we do not know if we will witness this drama the next minute, we do not control the number of times we breathe, nor we control the air inside the body which has so many holes, we do not know the future, for all these are not in the same people hands who think they have the power to judge other jivas. The same saints do not know what is for them the next instant. The Atman is the silent witness and tries to help the –self- in the jiva I patiently await your response on these questions. >> my –self- answered to the best it knows... SubhaDinamAstu! SarvamSriKrishnaArp anamAstu! Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.Try the Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Please tell why Rudra means the Howler and he who makes men cryPradeep Balakrishnan <balakrishnanpradeep wrote: Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat!Dear Shri Rudra Maharaj, pranams and namaste!Prabhu, -HE- asks the questions in your-self, HE in my-self- answers.My -self- did not understand the question your's asked. Can you please re-iterate your question?SubhaDinamAstu!SarvamSriKrishnaArpanamAstu!Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj > Sent: Friday, 13 July, 2007 10:45:07 AMRE: Re-Dev Maharaj Namaste PradeepThank you so much for these replies, I am now very much aware of why things are the way that they are. I would like you to ponder on one thing " why Rudra means the Howler and he who makes men cry "Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharaj.Pradeep Balakrishnan <balakrishnanpradeep @> wrote: Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat! Dear Shri Rudra Maharaja Namaste! Prabhu let me try to answer to extent my jiva knows... I have read a number of articles, where it is estimated that some 80-100 million Hindus have been slaughtered, millions of women raped and butchered over the last thousand years. ( supplied in my response below, please read carefully ) >> There is nothing called Hindus, it is all men and women, Rudran did not create religion, it is man. History repeats so the actions done yesterday become reactions today. Here the reacting part is Maha Kal and HE cleans in a swipe... My questions are : Seeing that we all came from the same source, and all is Brahman. 1) How come Brahman seems to be doing this to primarily to Hindus when many of the Hindus have been engaged in worship of Brahman for all these thousands of years ? >> Brahman is a witness for this entire episode which has no interval nor beginning. Brahman’s prakrithi is the doer or called maya which has demi-gods etc. Who wants the jivas suffer in the samsara, but still Brahman is the witness. Why do we expect Brahman to help, bhakthi with no expectation makes the –self- align with the supreme-self. This is exactly what Bholenath wants...is it not? 2) Is Sri Krishna having some kind of murderous fit against those that worship him to be replaced by Allah and Jesus ? >> Atman does not have any guna, They are the manifestations of prakrithi that came from the same seed. 3) What are the lessons we are supposed to learn from getting murdered by the millions ? >> How many times has your jiva spared a mosquito? Or any other helpless insect. Your jiva might have murdered millions of jivas which we do not know ... Lord Pashupathi is a witness...my point is -we- think we have control over things, the point is there is no control of anything over anything...No one can murder anyone, the atma leaves the body but is not dead...the prakrithi makes it appear real...for nothing is real... 4) When the women are raped, buggered and kept as slaves do you think they are being treated with high respects ? >>No they are not. 5) With all the millions of Holy men of India, including however many GOD men, how come none have been able to stop this from occurring daily for 1000 years ? Is this the Karma of people of India only ? >> Because the holy men and GOD men are never holy nor near GOPD. They do not –self- nor will realise. It is maya that makes the mind feel the other side is green. Prabhu the mightly Rudran does not wish anything but imagine the thousands in the group who ask HIM things everyday and every minute. The day the same jivas do service to HIM or HIS devotees or society in a good way, then the jiva becomes Rudra. 6) How has the various saints who controlled their mind and engaged in Brahman been able to lift the people out of poverty, hopelessness and make them live more productive, meaningful lives ? >> because poverty does not exist. What “it” belongs to you is not yours, what belongs to you today is belonging to one tomorrow, what you think you are is not what you will be, what your jiva thinks it knows will be forgotten, your jiva is not yours, which womb our jivas will enter we do not know, we do not remember the past, we die nine times after sleep before waking up, we do not know if we will witness this drama the next minute, we do not control the number of times we breathe, nor we control the air inside the body which has so many holes, we do not know the future, for all these are not in the same people hands who think they have the power to judge other jivas. The same saints do not know what is for them the next instant. The Atman is the silent witness and tries to help the –self- in the jiva I patiently await your response on these questions. >> my –self- answered to the best it knows... SubhaDinamAstu! SarvamSriKrishnaArp anamAstu! Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.Try the Mail Beta. Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Respected Dev Maharaj ji, Pranams. Whenever I read your replies and explanations in this forum, I am really happy at your profound knowledge and gift of educating people with " apt " examples & quotes. Knowledge appropriate use of same are essential. I once again offer my salutations, Sir. M.B.PrasadaRa,Visakhapatnam. --- Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj wrote: > Namaste Rajeeva > > You know there is " none so blind as those that > refuse to see " > > A very simple fact, these Jihadists are deliberately > bred to hunt and kill you, in the false belief that > they are somehow serving God or religion. > If you wish to allow yourself to become a victim, no > one can stop you.. by all means do so. Don't engage > in trifling talk about me and my silly beliefs. > > You have been informed and warned repeatedly. If you > want to forgive, vizualize and project divine love > while guns are trained on you and bullets are fired > at you... > no one can stop you... you go right ahead. > > I do hope that what Lord Krishna and Lord Shiva and > or any other God did in some other texts will help > you in stopping a bullet with your body, being > kidnapped, raped or beheaded. > > The first rule of life is survival, have you ever > heard the saying : > " If common sense was so common, > a lot more people would have a lot more of it ? > > ponder on this....... > > > Namah Sivaya > Best regards > Pandit Devindra Maharaj > > > > rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 wrote: > > Dear Bhupendra, > > Hypothetical questions are difficult to answer. > But there was a lady in Orissa, whose husband and > sons were burnt alive in a jeep, by devoted hindus, > and she did not file a case. You might say it was a > cowardice, as she might have feared for her own > life, I call it forgivenmess. What one feels > oneself, one attributes it to the world. > > Osama bin laden is also having his jehad, why > blame him then? > > rgds > > rajeeva > > Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: > Dear Rajeeva Ji, > > Yes, you are correct, Mahabharata was enacted by > Lord Krishna to teach the world action. Here is the > story of Balarama, his brother. Before the war > started, Panadavas came to ask for his assistance > and he refused. His logic was that disputes between > kinsmen was not good. The dispute should be > resolved peacefully. And he left for pilgrimage > during this war. Towards the end of the war, during > the final battle between Bhima and Duryodhana, > Balarama comes to witness the battle between the 2. > Balrama is upset that Bhima broke the thigh of > Duryodhana when the ethics of gadaa yuddh was that > no attack shoul; be made below the waistline. This > time Krishna chastises Balarama....that first he > decides to go to pilgimage when the fact is that > during the war between evil and dharama, the > battlefield is the true pilgrimage. Secondly, > balarama was exposing his soft spot for > Duryodhana...for all the wrong that Duryodhana did, > never once did Balarama oppose him and one error by > Bhima > and immediately Balarama was up in arms against > him. This soft spot for Duyodhana was the REAL > reason why Balarama avoided this war going to > pilgrimage instead, he had no particular interest in > peace. > > Another thing...as I mentioned in my previous > posting, Krishna goes at length to explain why Arjun > should fight. He tells Arjun clearly that the peace > Arjun is talking about is nothing but a weak heart > which is refusing to take action against those who > were his kinsmen, when fact is that in a dharma > yuddh, such feelings have no place. Action without > any personal gain is what Gita teaches us. The love > we all talk about is not really but our cowardice > that we try to hide. > > And I do not wish to offend you, but if your wife > or your daughter were to be molested, raped by > some, would you still be able to forgive them and > love them just becuase they are humans? If an animal > is mutilating your child, would you still not do > anything to protect you kid? It is very much easy to > talk about drinking poison you are not having to > drink it. > > True, Siva exist in all, humans and animals and we > should love all life without any discrimination but > neither you nor me is capable of that. Such love > requires zero discrimination and as such, you treat > all beings as the same. The respect that you give to > your mother is that same that you give to your > sister. And you give that same respoect to > everybodies mother, sister, daughter, son, father > brother etc. In such a scenario, marrying someones > daughter and being sexually intimate is completely > out of question. This is the level of love that is > required and you will generate the aura to melt the > hatred your attacker. Are you capable of that? > > Siva gulped the poison, but he also slew Tripur > Asuras. Look at Rama...he was an ocean of mercy, > none in this group can compare with him, yet he had > to kill Ravana. You do not see Rama forgiving and > forgetting the abduction of his wife. But what you > are indirectly suggesting is that let Sita be > abducted by Ravana, Rama should complete his 14 > years in vanvaas and go back to rule ayodhya as if > nothing has happened. This would demonstrate > corwadice, not love. > > Regards, > Bhupendra. > > rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 wrote: > Dear Bhupendra, > > Realising God also is difficult. Why we still try > that? > > The play of Mahabharat was enacted by Krishna to > deliver a lesson to the masses, for teaching. But > even in that, who was the victor - all perished, > including those from Pandava's side, as well. > > The well read doctors from Bangalore trying to rip > Glasgow are also convinced about their acts. But > what do we get at the end. Has violence any chance > of stopping, if we keep on reacting? > > Somebody has to gulp the venom, like Shiva did > during the ocean churning. > > rgds > > ranjan > > Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: > Dear Rajeeva Ranjan, > > What you talking about seems nice in theory but > difficult to practice. In mahabharata, it is finally > Krishna that urges rjun to fight and uproot evil, > that is what his dharma at that time was. Arjun was > more willing to give up his kingdom and not fight > his cousins but Krisna would not let him do it. As > oper what you are saying, Kishna was wrong in > instisting Arjun to fight. Please clarify is that > what you are saying? > > Regards, > bhupendra. > > rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 wrote: > Dear Dev Maharaj, > > What you visualise, you attract. You visualise AK > 47, you get that. You visualise love you get that. > Unfortunately, we have been conditioned right from > our childhood to have mistrust in the universe, and > so misfortunes keep on coming to us because we keep > on thinking of them. The world is caught in a > vicious circle. Keep on thinking of love, which is > God, and you will never have a misfortune. we have > the power to change our own reality. > > Worshipping God, with a heart full of hatred, will > not take you to God, as the same God has made > everybody, including you, me and them. > > rgds > > ranjan > > Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj wrote: > Namaste > > Dear Dear Dear Ec > > I don't know if you actually saw the movie clips > that were sent to you but I truly hope you will > express === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat! I do not know the answer what your-self- expects. SubhaDinamAstu! SarvamSriKrishnaArpanamAstu! Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj Sent: Friday, 13 July, 2007 3:30:17 PMRe: Re-Dev Maharaj Please tell why Rudra means the Howler and he who makes men cryPradeep Balakrishnan <balakrishnanpradeep @> wrote: Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat!Dear Shri Rudra Maharaj, pranams and namaste!Prabhu, -HE- asks the questions in your-self, HE in my-self- answers.My -self- did not understand the question your's asked. Can you please re-iterate your question?SubhaDinamAstu!SarvamSriKrishnaArp anamAstu! Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj@ >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, 13 July, 2007 10:45:07 AMRE: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re-Dev Maharaj Namaste PradeepThank you so much for these replies, I am now very much aware of why things are the way that they are. I would like you to ponder on one thing " why Rudra means the Howler and he who makes men cry "Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharaj.Pradeep Balakrishnan <balakrishnanpradeep @> wrote: Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat! Dear Shri Rudra Maharaja Namaste! Prabhu let me try to answer to extent my jiva knows... I have read a number of articles, where it is estimated that some80-100 million Hindus have been slaughtered, millions of women rapedand butchered over the last thousand years. ( supplied in my responsebelow, please read carefully ) >> There is nothing called Hindus, it is all men and women, Rudran did not create religion, it is man. History repeats so the actions done yesterday become reactions today. Here the reacting part is Maha Kal and HE cleans in a swipe... My questions are :Seeing that we all came from the same source, and all is Brahman.1) How come Brahman seems to be doing this to primarily to Hinduswhen many of the Hindus have been engaged in worship of Brahmanfor all these thousands of years ? >> Brahman is a witness for this entire episode which has no interval nor beginning. Brahman’s prakrithi is the doer or called maya which has demi-gods etc. Who wants the jivas suffer in the samsara, but still Brahman is the witness. Why do we expect Brahman to help, bhakthi with no expectation makes the –self- align with the supreme-self. This is exactly what Bholenath wants...is it not? 2) Is Sri Krishna having some kind of murderous fit against those thatworship him to be replaced by Allah and Jesus ? >> Atman does not have any guna, They are the manifestations of prakrithi that came from the same seed. 3) What are the lessons we are supposed to learn from getting murderedby the millions ? >> How many times has your jiva spared a mosquito? Or any other helpless insect. Your jiva might have murdered millions of jivas which we do not know ... Lord Pashupathi is a witness...my point is -we- think we have control over things, the point is there is no control of anything over anything...No one can murder anyone, the atma leaves the body but is not dead...the prakrithi makes it appear real...for nothing is real...4) When the women are raped, buggered and kept as slaves do youthink they are being treated with high respects ? >>No they are not. 5) With all the millions of Holy men of India, including however manyGOD men, how come none have been able to stop this from occurring daily for 1000 years ? Is this the Karma of people of India only ? >> Because the holy men and GOD men are never holy nor near GOPD. They do not –self- nor will realise. It is maya that makes the mind feel the other side is green. Prabhu the mightly Rudran does not wish anything but imagine the thousands in the group who ask HIM things everyday and every minute. The day the same jivas do service to HIM or HIS devotees or society in a good way, then the jiva becomes Rudra.6) How has the various saints who controlled their mind and engagedin Brahman been able to lift the people out of poverty, hopelessness and make them live more productive, meaningful lives ? >> because poverty does not exist. What “it” belongs to you is not yours, what belongs to you today is belonging to one tomorrow, what you think you are is not what you will be, what your jiva thinks it knows will be forgotten, your jiva is not yours, which womb our jivas will enter we do not know, we do not remember the past, we die nine times after sleep before waking up, we do not know if we will witness this drama the next minute, we do not control the number of times we breathe, nor we control the air inside the body which has so many holes, we do not know the future, for all these are not in the same people hands who think they have the power to judge other jivas. The same saints do not know what is for them the next instant. The Atman is the silent witness and tries to help the –self- in the jivaI patiently await your response on these questions. >> my –self- answered to the best it knows... SubhaDinamAstu! SarvamSriKrishnaArp anamAstu! Expecting? 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Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Dear Pradeep Ji, Very interesting indeed, now whether the story of the sannyasi is fact or fiction is another matter. But tell me...since you know this story and therefore have narrated it to us...are you able to practice the same kind of pacifism that you are talking about? If your child is sick or your wife or yourself, do you take medicine or do you just let things run their course? Do you have a house of do you live without a house and let yourself be nurtured by nature?...after all wind rain heat is all a result of sense induced mental condition, just like anger and lust and hatred, and shouldn't really affect the realised soul. What is the need for clothes...afterall, shame is just another mental condition like hate and anger. What is the purpose of law courts, hospitals, schools and governments when we should all let things be taken care of by the lord? What is the purpose of getting a job or getting education towards a better job? Earth provides enough bounty to fulfill our needs, we could survive on fruits available free from trees, we don't really need cooked food do we? Once upon a time, long time ago, what we know today as Sri Lanka was mainly Saiva....but they are all gone today. Their pacifist attitude was the reason for it....they never gacve a fight, took things as it came taking all as the will of god. A lot of knowledge about Saivism if lost today as a result. Who is to take responsibility for not protecting this knowledge and way of life? What is being talked about is not anger or hatred...but about protecting the knowledge...a way of life to leave something for the future generation. What we know today is a result of what our forefathers retained, and what we give to the future generation depends on what we retain. If we decide to turn a blind eye to persection in kasmir or the to encroachment that is happening throughout the country as the result of vote bank politics, I don't think turning a blind eye to such development is the way to god. The story of the sannyasi that you narrated...probably he attained moksha(if the story is real), but his presence nor his absence nor his perseverance made the society any better, the cruel remained cruel and never learnt. If you were on the scene and saw the people humiliating the sanyassi, what would you do? Would you let him suffer looking it all as gods will or would you ACT to help him? That which you preach, you simply will not be able to practice yourself otherwise you will not be writing this posts but living somewhere at the mercy of elements. I profoundly apologize if I have hurt your sentiments in this post, that is not my intention. Regards, Bhupendra. , Pradeep Balakrishnan <balakrishnanpradeep wrote: > > Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat! > > Dear Shri Hari and Hara's bows to HIS-self in you. > > Please prabhu's do not fire words like arrows on anyone for we all came from the same ... Satyam Shivam Sundaram.... > > Here is a page extracted from Sri Krishna's teachings...it moved my-self-; For all Rudras replace Krishna with Rudra but the message is still the same .. Tat-vama-Shi... > > Uddhava said: " It is very difficult to discard or endure the insults of > the wicked and keep peace of mind. Except your devotees who have firm faith > in your grace, who have taken shelter at Thy feet, who practice the religion > taught by Thee, who are even-minded, no others including even the learned > can overcome the frailties of nature or the force of Your Maya. Human nature > is human nature, O Lord. It is too strong or powerful for men. Therefore, > O best of teachers! O Lord of the universe, Antaryamin of all, kindly explain, > how even an ordinary mortal can attain such tranquility of mind to disregard > the taunts and insults of the wicked. Please explain to me in such a way > that I may grasp it. " > > The Lord said: " O disciple of Brihaspati there is not in the world a sage > who can control his mind when he is pierced by harsh words of the wicked. > > > > > > Even arrows aimed and directed with force at the most vital parts of a > man will not give so much pain as the cruel harsh words of the wicked which > rankle in the heart for ever. > > > > > > O Uddhava, I shall narrate to you a very sacred story of ancient times. > Listen to it with rapt attention. It was recited by an ascetic who was > ill-treated by the wicked, but who bore it with great patience and fortitude, > and who thought it was all due to his own past actions. This was sung by > him. > > > > > > There lived in Avanti a very wealthy Brahmin. But he led a very miserable > life. He earned money by the evil ways of the world. He did business. He > was miserly, covetous and very irritable. He did not spend anything in > charity. He did not greet his relations or guest with kind words even. > He never even attended to the comforts of himself, his wife, children or > servants. He was a human iron-safe hoarding and guarding money. He dwelt > in a house unknown to all religious activities. > > > > As he led such a miserly and impure life, his sons and relatives did not > like him. His wife, daughters and servants got so much disgusted that they > would not do what he liked. He took pleasure only in hoarding money. He > was destitute of righteousness. He never enjoyed his life. So he lost both > this life and the next. The gods presiding over the five Yajnas or daily > sacrifices grew very angry. > > > > > > O liberal Uddhava, his stock of merits was exhausted through his neglect > of the five claimants. Even the wealth which he had hoarded with great > pains and exertion was lost. > > > > > > O Uddhava, some of his wealth was taken by his relatives. Thieves laid > their hands on some. He lost another portion by the anger of the gods or > calamities or accidents and by the lapse of time. Some of it was taken > by men and kings. When his wealth was thus lost he was neglected and cast > away by his own people. He was very much afflicted at heart when he reflected > that his wealth had never been used for the satisfaction of his own desires > or for righteousness. > > > > > > He shed tears when he reflected on his pitiable condition and his voice > was choked. He developed intense disgust for the world. He attained Vairagya > or distaste for worldly possessions and enjoyments like an ascetic. > > > > > > He said to himself, " My experience has indeed been bitter. Alas! Woe unto > me! I deserve it. I have tormented my body in hoarding wealth. I have not > utilised the wealth for the attainment of my desires or righteousness. > I have gained neither righteousness nor my own pleasures. > > > > > > Generally the wealth of the miserly does not contribute to their comfort > or happiness. It only leads to their affliction in this world and leads > them to hell and loss of their soul after their death. > > > > > > The spotless fame of a renowned man and the excellent qualities of a virtuous > man are spoiled by greed, however little it may be, just as a small patch > of white skin or leucoderma spoils even the most beautiful forms. > > > > In acquiring wealth, in improving it when got, in protecting it, in spending > it, in its loss and use, men experience only exertion, fear, anxiety and > delusion. > > > > > > Theft, injury to others, falsehood, hypocrisy, lust, anger, pride, haughtiness, > discord, enmity, distrust, envy, over-indulgence in women, wine and gamblings—these > fifteen evils pertaining to men have indeed, their source in wealth. Therefore > one who is desirous of obtaining the highest good should abandon the evil > known as wealth from a distance. > > > > Also brothers, wives, fathers and friends fall out and soon become enemies > for the sake of a small sum of money. > > > > For the sake of a little money they quarrel and become enraged. They abandon > all prior remembrance and affection, and out of jealousy stand in the way > of one another, attack and kill one another. > > > > Having attained a human birth which is covetable even by gods and a high > place viz., the foremost life of a Brahmin, those who neglect this and > spoil their own interests (viz., Self-realisation) surely reach the most > miserable end. > > > > Having attained this human body, the gateway to heaven and emancipation, > which mortal man would be attached to wealth, the abode of all evil? > > > > > > The miser who hoards and guards his wealth like a Yaksha, who does not > share it with the gods, the Rishis, the Pitris, relatives, friends, lower > animals who all deserve a share, and does not use it for his own self, > falls down. > > > > My life and strength were carelessly spent in the vain acquisition of wealth, > by which men of discrimination attain their goal. What can I do now in > my old age? > > > > > > Why do even learned men who know that wealth is the source of all evils > exert much to obtain wealth which tends to no good purpose? Surely this > world is totally deluded by the Maya of someone. > > > > > > What is the use of wealth or other acquisitions, desire or objects of desire, > for a man who is in the grip of death? What is the use of Karma as it will > only involve him in a never-ending series of births and deaths? > > > > > > Certainly that glorious Lord Hari, who is the Lord of the universe, who > is the embodiment of all the gods, is immensely pleased with me, for He > has brought me to this state in which I am endowed with Vairagya or dispassion > which is a raft or a boat for me to cross the ocean of Samsara or ocean > of births and deaths. > > > > > > I shall lead the rest of my life, if at all there is any left, in penance, > I shall find delight in Atman only. I shall do all that tends to the attainment > of highest good. I shall lead a virtuous life and strive for my salvation. > May the gods, the rulers of the three worlds bless me to attain this state. > Raja Katwanga, attained the abode of Brahma within an hour. " > > > > > > The Lord said: " Having thus resolved in his mind, the great Brahmin of > Avanti cut off all desires and also the knot of egoism in his heart and > became a Sannyasin. He also became tranquil in mind. > > > > > > He wandered alone over the earth with perfect control over his mind, senses > and Pranas and he just entered towns and villages for the sake of alms. > No one knew who he was. Wicked people surrounded, mocked and ill- treated > the old and ugly monk in various ways. > > > > > > Some took away his bamboo staff, some his begging bowl and water pot, some > his seat and someone his rosary and some again, his torn clothes. > > > > > > They would offer to give them back and when he came near laugh at him and > refuse to give them. Sometimes they returned those things but again snatched > them from him. At other times when he was eating his alms near a lake or > a tank, they would pour excretions or spit over his head. They made him > speak when he was observing silence and beat him if he did not do so. > > > > > > Others said, `This man is a thief.' Some tied him with a rope and some > said, `Kill him, Kill him.' Some abused and taunted him and said, `He is > a rogue posing himself to be a righteous man. Having lost all his wealth > and being abandoned by his relatives, he has taken to this course of life.' > > > `Oh, he is very strong. He endures all taunts and remains unshaken like > a mountain. He is very resolute like a heron. He wants to gain his purpose > by silence.Some mocked him often, while others tied him with ropes to a pillar or > a tree, making sport of him as if he were a toy or a bird. Whatever affliction or trouble thus befell him caused by the elements or > the gods or his own body, he thought they were predestined and therefore > must be patiently borne. > > > > > > Even though he was insulted and treated with contempt by wicked men, even > though they tried to make him abandon his saintly course he stuck to his > path of righteousness, quite steadily and sang the following song. > > > > > > The Brahmin said, `Neither this body nor these people nor the gods, nor > the Atman, nor planets, nor Karma nor time is the cause of my pleasure > or pain. The wise say or the Srutis declare that it is the mind that is > the true cause of pleasure and pain, as it sets in motion the wheel of > Samsara. > > > > > > The mind creates desire and the like. It makes the various Gunas function > and through them brings about various Karmas, good, bad or indifferent > for the attainment of such desires. By such actions man gets into bondage > or Samsara (chain of births and deaths) and attains different kinds of > birth according to the nature of his actions. > > > > > > Atman is the self-effulgent, inactive, silent witness of the activities > of the mind. He is the friend of the Jiva. The Jiva identifies himself > with the mind on account of ignorance, and thinks he is the actor. In reality > it is the mind that does everything, who enjoys sense-objects through desires > and mind's active qualities and thus becomes bound. > > > > Charity, the performance of duties of his own Varna and Ashrama, the observance > of Yamas and Niyamas, the study of the Vedas, virtuous actions and the > good observances as fasting on Ekadasi—all these lead to the control of > mind. The control of the mind is the highest form of Yoga. > > > > > > When one's mind is controlled and tranquil, of what use are charity and > the rest for him? If his mind is uncontrolled and restless, of what use, > again, are this charity and the rest? > > > > > > The gods and the organs presided over by them, are under the control of > the mind, but the mind never comes under the control of any one else. This > is a formidable God stronger than the strongest. Therefore, he who can > control the mind is indeed the God of gods. > > > > > > Without curbing or conquering this strong invincible enemy of irresistible > force within, that cuts the very vital parts, some foolish people try to > achieve victories outside creating friends, enemies, or neutrals. Those > who do not conquer the mind make friends and enemies. > > > > > > Deluded men think, `This is my body' and they go astray. They mistake this > body, a mere creation of the mind to be their own and their selves. They > are deluded by the wrong notions of `I', `thine' and `he'. They think `He > is different' and thus wander in the unlimited wilderness of ignorance. > > > > > > If the body is the cause of pleasure and pain, the Atman has nothing to > do with it, because it concerns the two bodies which are made up of the > same earth. The two bodies are really one body. If people are the cause > of my pleasure and pain, the Atman or source of bliss immanent in me as > the only real eternal factor, is present in all of them. If sometimes any > one bites his own lips or tongue with his own teeth inadvertently, with > whom should he be angry for the pain? > > > > > > If the deity is the cause of pain, the Atman has nothing to do with it, > because it is related to two deities i.e., to the two organs presided over > by the two deities. The Devatas who guide the senses are the same in all > beings. If you beat another man in his hand, the presiding deity of the > hand viz., Indra is the same in both. What has this to do with the Atman? > It always remains unaffected. If sometimes, in the same body of a man one > limb strikes against another, with whom should he become angry? > > > > > > If the Atman is the cause of pleasure and pain, such experience must be > considered unreal as the Vedas declare that the essence of Atman is bliss > and that all things but Atman are unreal and transitory. > > > > > > If the Atman or one's own Self is the cause of pleasure and pain, evidently > nothing in that case happens from another. In that case the cause is one's > own nature, pleasure and pain are of the essence of itself, because there > is nothing besides the Atman. If there be, it must be unreal. Therefore > how could there be then any occasion for anger? With whom should one become > angry? There is neither pleasure nor pain. Atman only really exists. > > > > > > If the planets be the cause of pleasure and pain, what have they then to > do with Atman who is unborn, because the planets affect the body only? > Further, one planet exercise an adverse influence on another planet. The > Atman is entirely different from either the planet or the body. With whom > then should one become angry? > > > > > > If work be the cause of pleasure and pain, how can it affect or touch the > pure, actionless and Immortal Atman, because work is possible to any agency > which happens to be unintelligent and intelligent? But the body is unintelligent > and the Atman is pure intelligence. Therefore Karma which is supposed to > be the cause for pleasure and pain does not exist at all. Then with whom > should one become angry? > > > > > > If Time be the cause of pleasure and pain, how can it affect the Atman, > because Atman is Himself Time. Certainly fire cannot be adversely affected > by heat, nor snow by cold. The pairs of opposites cannot affect the immortal > Atman which is beyond them. Therefore who should be angry with whom? > > > > > > He who has attained illumination has fear from no one else. The Atman which > is beyond Prakriti is not affected by the pairs of opposites. Ahamkara > only is the cause of Samsara. Ahamkara only is affected by the pairs of > opposites. > > > > So I shall practise this devotion to the Supreme Self which the most ancient > Rishis had, and I shall cross the unlimited ocean of ignorance. > > > > > > The Lord said: " This was the song sung by that sage who lost his wealth > and attained dispassion, who roamed over the earth as a Sannyasin free > from anxiety and who remained unshaken from his righteous course, though > he was thus ill-treated and insulted by the wicked. > > > > > > The cause of happiness or misery is no other than one's self. It is a delusion > of the mind. This world consisting of friends, neutrals and enemies which > affects a man with pleasure and pain is a delusion of the mind caused by > ignorance. > > > > Therefore, O child! Control the mind perfectly by fixing it on Me. Restrain > the activities of the mind by the force of your intellect. This is the > very gist of Yoga. This is in brief all Yoga. This is the highest aim and > end of Yoga. > > > > > Whoever with a serene mind studies, recites before others or hears this > song of the tranquil, self-restrained Sannyasi immersed in Brahman is not > overpowered by the pairs of opposites. > > Subham DinamAstu! > SarvamSriKrishnaArpanamAstu! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 NamasteThe answer is that Rudra is a very terrifying force to an average mortal (when you begin to worship, you literally can hear him howling when he is near. By virtue of his power he makes men cry literally).When you begin Japa and meditation on Rudra, it is only the most powerful people physically and mentally that can withstand the energy of Rudra. When you come into direct contact with this energy (in a universal sense), it is enough to send you stark raving mad, if you cannot bear the descent of power (shakti pat). I have performed this and can tell you (according to my experience) that when the Rudra Mantra activates, it is like a bomb going off in side of you at a volume that is deafening ( this is not being theatrical but as accurate as I can be, I also acknowledge this may not be everyone's experience).In order to get to the point where you are qualified for this, it takes a hardening of your senses. Now consider that if you wish to get to this, how would you ever hope to develop, if you continue with self imposed mental restrictions and social conditioning ?The Aghoris spend twelve years in the Crematorium worship Siva to become an accomplished one ! The Tibetan Yogis spend fifty years in practice and are then called "men of little knowledge ".You see I think we are pursuing two different philosophies /systems of worship and trying very hard to use the Bhagavad Gita to be accomodating to both.In my experience Vaishnavas are usually very peaceful, soft persons, though when they get annoyed they can be quite a handful.Make no mistake of this, the way of a Saiva and Shakta are the most intense ofall religious pursuits. It is only the strongest , hardest , toughest Sadhakas that will achieve success ultimately. Why this is important to the previous discussion is that persons who are soft, who refuse to accept the harsh reality of what awaits and who refuse to think and act intelligently WILL perish. This is about protecting the religion and its followers and is bigger than individual aspirations and notions about the worship of God.Additionally, I am going through the Bhagavad Gita to find the Shlokas where lord Krishna is advising to GET UP and FIGHT to Protect Dharma. You see when this is known, you will then see persons now disagreeing with Lord Krishna and they all of a sudden they don't believe that and it doesn't fit into their personal ideas and ... and .... ( anything to justify personal cowardice )Pradeep Balakrishnan <balakrishnanpradeep wrote: Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat! I do not know the answer what your-self- expects. SubhaDinamAstu! SarvamSriKrishnaArpanamAstu! Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj > Sent: Friday, 13 July, 2007 3:30:17 PMRe: Re-Dev Maharaj Please tell why Rudra means the Howler and he who makes men cryPradeep Balakrishnan <balakrishnanpradeep @> wrote: Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat!Dear Shri Rudra Maharaj, pranams and namaste!Prabhu, -HE- asks the questions in your-self, HE in my-self- answers.My -self- did not understand the question your's asked. Can you please re-iterate your question?SubhaDinamAstu!SarvamSriKrishnaArp anamAstu! Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj@ >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comFriday, 13 July, 2007 10:45:07 AMRE: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re-Dev Maharaj Namaste PradeepThank you so much for these replies, I am now very much aware of why things are the way that they are. I would like you to ponder on one thing " why Rudra means the Howler and he who makes men cry "Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharaj.Pradeep Balakrishnan <balakrishnanpradeep @> wrote: Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat! Dear Shri Rudra Maharaja Namaste! Prabhu let me try to answer to extent my jiva knows... I have read a number of articles, where it is estimated that some80-100 million Hindus have been slaughtered, millions of women rapedand butchered over the last thousand years. ( supplied in my responsebelow, please read carefully ) >> There is nothing called Hindus, it is all men and women, Rudran did not create religion, it is man. History repeats so the actions done yesterday become reactions today. Here the reacting part is Maha Kal and HE cleans in a swipe... My questions are :Seeing that we all came from the same source, and all is Brahman.1) How come Brahman seems to be doing this to primarily to Hinduswhen many of the Hindus have been engaged in worship of Brahmanfor all these thousands of years ? >> Brahman is a witness for this entire episode which has no interval nor beginning. Brahman’s prakrithi is the doer or called maya which has demi-gods etc. Who wants the jivas suffer in the samsara, but still Brahman is the witness. Why do we expect Brahman to help, bhakthi with no expectation makes the –self- align with the supreme-self. This is exactly what Bholenath wants...is it not? 2) Is Sri Krishna having some kind of murderous fit against those thatworship him to be replaced by Allah and Jesus ? >> Atman does not have any guna, They are the manifestations of prakrithi that came from the same seed. 3) What are the lessons we are supposed to learn from getting murderedby the millions ? >> How many times has your jiva spared a mosquito? Or any other helpless insect. Your jiva might have murdered millions of jivas which we do not know ... Lord Pashupathi is a witness...my point is -we- think we have control over things, the point is there is no control of anything over anything...No one can murder anyone, the atma leaves the body but is not dead...the prakrithi makes it appear real...for nothing is real...4) When the women are raped, buggered and kept as slaves do youthink they are being treated with high respects ? >>No they are not. 5) With all the millions of Holy men of India, including however manyGOD men, how come none have been able to stop this from occurring daily for 1000 years ? Is this the Karma of people of India only ? >> Because the holy men and GOD men are never holy nor near GOPD. They do not –self- nor will realise. It is maya that makes the mind feel the other side is green. Prabhu the mightly Rudran does not wish anything but imagine the thousands in the group who ask HIM things everyday and every minute. The day the same jivas do service to HIM or HIS devotees or society in a good way, then the jiva becomes Rudra.6) How has the various saints who controlled their mind and engagedin Brahman been able to lift the people out of poverty, hopelessness and make them live more productive, meaningful lives ? >> because poverty does not exist. What “it” belongs to you is not yours, what belongs to you today is belonging to one tomorrow, what you think you are is not what you will be, what your jiva thinks it knows will be forgotten, your jiva is not yours, which womb our jivas will enter we do not know, we do not remember the past, we die nine times after sleep before waking up, we do not know if we will witness this drama the next minute, we do not control the number of times we breathe, nor we control the air inside the body which has so many holes, we do not know the future, for all these are not in the same people hands who think they have the power to judge other jivas. The same saints do not know what is for them the next instant. The Atman is the silent witness and tries to help the –self- in the jivaI patiently await your response on these questions. >> my –self- answered to the best it knows... SubhaDinamAstu! SarvamSriKrishnaArp anamAstu! Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.Try the Mail Beta. Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.Play Sims Stories at Games. Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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