Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Om Namah Sivaya I faced enough troubles from Muslim boys back in school days in London where I was bullied for being a Hindu. I had to be aggressive to overcome those bullies. Hindu temples often intimidate by Islamic children, here is a temple close to my home where there is a Mosque close to it and Muslim children after their Islamic lessons used to throw eggs or firecrackers towards the temple entrance often backed up by extremist clerics.Although it was reported to the Mosque trust and Police, they did not take any action. A few years ago during chariot festival, there was a lorry parked (to frustrate Hindus) in front of the chariot at the temple which loaded with meat by a Muslim Butcher, despite humble request by devotees to move the lorry, he refused and finally some devotees pull him out of the lorry and drove the lorry somewhere else and vandalised it and the Butcher was severely beaten because he tried to stab them with a knife. This put the end to the Islamic harassments to that temple (Muslims around the area realised the fierce side of Hindus).In May 2005 here was a newly constructed Lord Subramanya temple opened and during open ceremony some Muslims bombarded side entrance area with eggs, I took the trouble of cleaning it up. In August 2005, chariot festival took place for that temple, due to 7/7/2005 London bombing the police did not gave permission to take the chariot wider area (security reasons), the temple trust anticipated 10 thousand people to attend so they went round and asked each neighbours (many of them Muslims) humbly to park their cars at a nearby school provided them with free tickets but majority of them didn’t. What worst was that some Muslims tried to pelt the deity on the chariot with eggs but fortunately it fell on devotees (included my mother), although those Muslims were chased by devotees, they managed to escape otherwise they would have paid heavy panelty. I am glad that the British government have realised the dark side of Islam and proposed new powers to expel foreign nationals who incite terrorism, shut down mosques breeding fanaticism and blacklist extremist clerics. Had Hindu people acted wisely when Muslims invaded India, Mother India would not been divided into three and Kishmiri people would not been refugees on their own land. We all have the responsiblity to preserve our religion for the benefit of other souls. Nayanar Saints and other great Saints did contributed a lot to preserve our religion, they sometimes even used brutality to overcome the atrocities committed by Jains and Buddists. From the live stories of Nayanar Saints we can deduce that it is extermely easier to please Lord Siva by serving His Baktas and contribute towards perserving the eternal religion founded by Himself than by any other means.The foundation of a religion that has been laid on the bedrock of spiritual truths will survive eternally. If the foundation based on politics and non-spiritual truths then it will crumble to ashes one day. Sivaya NamahDev Maharaj <dev_maharaj wrote: Namaste "Keep on thinking of love, which is God, and you will never have a misfortune. we have the power to change our own reality."In theory I agree with this however, please think of the following carefully:Which country has worshiped Shiva and Shakti for millenia ? Which is probably the most religious country on this planet ?Which country has the most religions and religious texts ?Answer = India. Despite this, India has been overrun with disaster for the last thousand years ! An estimated 80-100 million people have been slaughtered/raped and tortured in the name of Islam ! I certainly don't think all had a death wish and kept seeing their death, do you ?In things spiritual you always start with the physical and then move to the esoteric. If you see an active threat, know that to already be a manifest reality.No amount of wishing, visualizing etc. will remove that unless you are a very advanced soul. The majority of persons aren't.Therefore it is suggested you treat this with the importance it deserves, failureto do this might result in some very unsavory results. Please be guided accordingly.Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharajrajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 > wrote: Dear Dev Maharaj, What you visualise, you attract. You visualise AK 47, you get that. You visualise love you get that. Unfortunately, we have been conditioned right from our childhood to have mistrust in the universe, and so misfortunes keep on coming to us because we keep on thinking of them. The world is caught in a vicious circle. Keep on thinking of love, which is God, and you will never have a misfortune. we have the power to change our own reality. Worshipping God, with a heart full of hatred, will not take you to God, as the same God has made everybody, including you, me and them. rgds ranjanDev Maharaj <dev_maharaj > wrote: NamasteDear Dear Dear EcI don't know if you actually saw the movie clips that were sent to you but I truly hope you will express love with an AK47 in your face held by a person who is brainwashed to believe that you are an infidel who deserves to die because you don't to his/her religious beliefs. Further, some of these have a love of mutilation with swords, please try to express that love when they are digging trenches in your body..... or you could ask them to build bridges instead !Please don't think I am being rude, that is not the intent. The intent is to make you consciously aware of a very serious and growing threat in a meaningful way.I want to make you aware of something personal, when in meditation I am able to recollect a lot of my past lives as the samskaras come to the fore.I was a warrior for many lifetimes and slaughtered many people in the past.I cannot get this out of my mind hard as I try. I keep seeing what I have done in some instances over and over again, some of these experiences are so intense, it is almost as if I am reliving it again. In my estimation I slaughtered some 10,000 souls and I have been performing penance for several lifetimes now. When I saw this video, the warrior in me came alive !Every one of my senses began to tell me that this is not something to treat lightly ! You may do so if you wish but I have done my duty to inform you. I will listen to your point of view and not argue with you about your perceptions and beliefs, I have already stated mine. Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharaj ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us > wrote: OM NAMAH SIVAYAno problem is ever solved out of the Consciousness from which it wascreated. every decision and action uplifts Consciousness or adds tothe gravity of it. contributes to separateness or contributes toOneness. you have the power of your perception be sure to use itwisely. build a bridge don't dig a trench. Love is the only solution.JAI MA , Dev Maharaj<dev_maharaj wrote:>> Namaste Prasanna Kumar > I agree with all that you have said here, I posted another mail thatgive a link for a video> > with the caption> For all those of you that want to practice the vay of peace,tolerance and hide your head in the sand techniques. + glorifying thedoctrine of Ahimsa> > View this !> > http://www.obsessio nthemovie. com/trailer- 12min.php> > > > It is very important that all members view this, because if thisbecomes an active threat I assure you that you may not get the chanceto realize your true nature as you may be wiped out long before !> > Namah Sivaya> Best Regards> Pandit Devindra Maharaj> > > prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna wrote: Dear Shiv Bhakt> > As human being, our greatest task is to realize our true nature,the > Divine within.That is the real purpose of life.To realize this core > (call it Atma or God),we have to grow.Our personality has develop.Such > a development occurs when our sense of divinity envelops the whole > being of ours.When a person reaches the stage where his sense of > separateness is wiped out or his ignorance knot is torn asunder,he > know himself as the Divine.Then all doults about own spiritual > statures are removed once for all.All his worldliness is eliminated and> ehat remains is a being of pure love and unselfishness.> > Regards> Prasanna Kumar > Group Owner > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. 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Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dear Bhupendra, Realising God also is difficult. Why we still try that? The play of Mahabharat was enacted by Krishna to deliver a lesson to the masses, for teaching. But even in that, who was the victor - all perished, including those from Pandava's side, as well. The well read doctors from Bangalore trying to rip Glasgow are also convinced about their acts. But what do we get at the end. Has violence any chance of stopping, if we keep on reacting? Somebody has to gulp the venom, like Shiva did during the ocean churning. rgds ranjanBhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: Dear Rajeeva Ranjan, What you talking about seems nice in theory but difficult to practice. In mahabharata, it is finally Krishna that urges rjun to fight and uproot evil, that is what his dharma at that time was. Arjun was more willing to give up his kingdom and not fight his cousins but Krisna would not let him do it. As oper what you are saying, Kishna was wrong in instisting Arjun to fight. Please clarify is that what you are saying? Regards, bhupendra.rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 > wrote: Dear Dev Maharaj, What you visualise, you attract. You visualise AK 47, you get that. You visualise love you get that. Unfortunately, we have been conditioned right from our childhood to have mistrust in the universe, and so misfortunes keep on coming to us because we keep on thinking of them. The world is caught in a vicious circle. Keep on thinking of love, which is God, and you will never have a misfortune. we have the power to change our own reality. Worshipping God, with a heart full of hatred, will not take you to God, as the same God has made everybody, including you, me and them. rgds ranjanDev Maharaj <dev_maharaj > wrote: NamasteDear Dear Dear EcI don't know if you actually saw the movie clips that were sent to you but I truly hope you will express love with an AK47 in your face held by a person who is brainwashed to believe that you are an infidel who deserves to die because you don't to his/her religious beliefs. Further, some of these have a love of mutilation with swords, please try to express that love when they are digging trenches in your body..... or you could ask them to build bridges instead !Please don't think I am being rude, that is not the intent. The intent is to make you consciously aware of a very serious and growing threat in a meaningful way.I want to make you aware of something personal, when in meditation I am able to recollect a lot of my past lives as the samskaras come to the fore.I was a warrior for many lifetimes and slaughtered many people in the past.I cannot get this out of my mind hard as I try. I keep seeing what I have done in some instances over and over again, some of these experiences are so intense, it is almost as if I am reliving it again. In my estimation I slaughtered some 10,000 souls and I have been performing penance for several lifetimes now. When I saw this video, the warrior in me came alive !Every one of my senses began to tell me that this is not something to treat lightly ! You may do so if you wish but I have done my duty to inform you. I will listen to your point of view and not argue with you about your perceptions and beliefs, I have already stated mine. Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharaj ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us > wrote: OM NAMAH SIVAYAno problem is ever solved out of the Consciousness from which it wascreated. every decision and action uplifts Consciousness or adds tothe gravity of it. contributes to separateness or contributes toOneness. you have the power of your perception be sure to use itwisely. build a bridge don't dig a trench. Love is the only solution.JAI MA , Dev Maharaj<dev_maharaj wrote:>> Namaste Prasanna Kumar > I agree with all that you have said here, I posted another mail thatgive a link for a video> > with the caption> For all those of you that want to practice the vay of peace,tolerance and hide your head in the sand techniques. + glorifying thedoctrine of Ahimsa> > View this !> > http://www.obsessio nthemovie. com/trailer- 12min.php> > > > It is very important that all members view this, because if thisbecomes an active threat I assure you that you may not get the chanceto realize your true nature as you may be wiped out long before !> > Namah Sivaya> Best Regards> Pandit Devindra Maharaj> > > prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna wrote: Dear Shiv Bhakt> > As human being, our greatest task is to realize our true nature,the > Divine within.That is the real purpose of life.To realize this core > (call it Atma or God),we have to grow.Our personality has develop.Such > a development occurs when our sense of divinity envelops the whole > being of ours.When a person reaches the stage where his sense of > separateness is wiped out or his ignorance knot is torn asunder,he > know himself as the Divine.Then all doults about own spiritual > statures are removed once for all.All his worldliness is eliminated and> ehat remains is a being of pure love and unselfishness.> > Regards> Prasanna Kumar > Group Owner > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. 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Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dear Panditjee, Way back in late seventies, when the riots took place in Jamshedpur, and I was staying in a muslim dominated area, I was asked one day in advance to leave town by a muslim friend, without telling the reason. And I left. All of them are not heartless. rgds ranjanDev Maharaj <dev_maharaj wrote: Namaste RajeevaI would dearly like for this to not exist at all, let alone end. However there is what is reality. As an individual to work for change is admirable however what you are dealing with are people that have been bred to hate you for no reason that you have contributed to. Make no mistake of this, they will kill you !Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharajrajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 > wrote: Dear Pandit Jee, Do you actyually belive that going to temple and offering flowers is worship and being religious. The same people who go to temples, behave in a completely differrent way, the moment they step out of the temple. All the scriptures and texts are on their lips, and not in their hearts. If it was in their heart, India would not have fared this badly. A country is made of individuals, and unless we individuals not change from inside, external show of religion has no meaning. Just smile at a stranger. First time, he may be taken aback. Next time he will also smile back. We hav emistrusted each other for so many years, things won't improve overnight. But let us not add fuel to the fire. Somewhere this madness should end. I hope you agree with me. rgds and pranam ranjanDev Maharaj <dev_maharaj > wrote: Namaste "Keep on thinking of love, which is God, and you will never have a misfortune. we have the power to change our own reality."In theory I agree with this however, please think of the following carefully:Which country has worshiped Shiva and Shakti for millenia ? Which is probably the most religious country on this planet ?Which country has the most religions and religious texts ?Answer = India. Despite this, India has been overrun with disaster for the last thousand years ! An estimated 80-100 million people have been slaughtered/raped and tortured in the name of Islam ! I certainly don't think all had a death wish and kept seeing their death, do you ?In things spiritual you always start with the physical and then move to the esoteric. If you see an active threat, know that to already be a manifest reality.No amount of wishing, visualizing etc. will remove that unless you are a very advanced soul. The majority of persons aren't.Therefore it is suggested you treat this with the importance it deserves, failureto do this might result in some very unsavory results. Please be guided accordingly.Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharajrajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 > wrote: Dear Dev Maharaj, What you visualise, you attract. You visualise AK 47, you get that. You visualise love you get that. Unfortunately, we have been conditioned right from our childhood to have mistrust in the universe, and so misfortunes keep on coming to us because we keep on thinking of them. The world is caught in a vicious circle. Keep on thinking of love, which is God, and you will never have a misfortune. we have the power to change our own reality. Worshipping God, with a heart full of hatred, will not take you to God, as the same God has made everybody, including you, me and them. rgds ranjanDev Maharaj <dev_maharaj > wrote: NamasteDear Dear Dear EcI don't know if you actually saw the movie clips that were sent to you but I truly hope you will express love with an AK47 in your face held by a person who is brainwashed to believe that you are an infidel who deserves to die because you don't to his/her religious beliefs. Further, some of these have a love of mutilation with swords, please try to express that love when they are digging trenches in your body..... or you could ask them to build bridges instead !Please don't think I am being rude, that is not the intent. The intent is to make you consciously aware of a very serious and growing threat in a meaningful way.I want to make you aware of something personal, when in meditation I am able to recollect a lot of my past lives as the samskaras come to the fore.I was a warrior for many lifetimes and slaughtered many people in the past.I cannot get this out of my mind hard as I try. I keep seeing what I have done in some instances over and over again, some of these experiences are so intense, it is almost as if I am reliving it again. In my estimation I slaughtered some 10,000 souls and I have been performing penance for several lifetimes now. When I saw this video, the warrior in me came alive !Every one of my senses began to tell me that this is not something to treat lightly ! You may do so if you wish but I have done my duty to inform you. I will listen to your point of view and not argue with you about your perceptions and beliefs, I have already stated mine. Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharaj ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us > wrote: OM NAMAH SIVAYAno problem is ever solved out of the Consciousness from which it wascreated. every decision and action uplifts Consciousness or adds tothe gravity of it. contributes to separateness or contributes toOneness. you have the power of your perception be sure to use itwisely. build a bridge don't dig a trench. Love is the only solution.JAI MA , Dev Maharaj<dev_maharaj wrote:>> Namaste Prasanna Kumar > I agree with all that you have said here, I posted another mail thatgive a link for a video> > with the caption> For all those of you that want to practice the vay of peace,tolerance and hide your head in the sand techniques. + glorifying thedoctrine of Ahimsa> > View this !> > http://www.obsessio nthemovie. com/trailer- 12min.php> > > > It is very important that all members view this, because if thisbecomes an active threat I assure you that you may not get the chanceto realize your true nature as you may be wiped out long before !> > Namah Sivaya> Best Regards> Pandit Devindra Maharaj> > > prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna wrote: Dear Shiv Bhakt> > As human being, our greatest task is to realize our true nature,the > Divine within.That is the real purpose of life.To realize this core > (call it Atma or God),we have to grow.Our personality has develop.Such > a development occurs when our sense of divinity envelops the whole > being of ours.When a person reaches the stage where his sense of > separateness is wiped out or his ignorance knot is torn asunder,he > know himself as the Divine.Then all doults about own spiritual > statures are removed once for all.All his worldliness is eliminated and> ehat remains is a being of pure love and unselfishness.> > Regards> Prasanna Kumar > Group Owner > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. 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Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 I must say that I very rarely agree with anything that Dev Maharaj says, but on this occasion, I have to accept and agree that Islam is indeed a big threat and must be met with force and overthrown. The right action is to fight fire with fire. Bhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: Dear Rajeeva Ranjan, What you talking about seems nice in theory but difficult to practice. In mahabharata, it is finally Krishna that urges rjun to fight and uproot evil, that is what his dharma at that time was. Arjun was more willing to give up his kingdom and not fight his cousins but Krisna would not let him do it. As oper what you are saying, Kishna was wrong in instisting Arjun to fight. Please clarify is that what you are saying? Regards, bhupendra.rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 > wrote: Dear Dev Maharaj, What you visualise, you attract. You visualise AK 47, you get that. You visualise love you get that. Unfortunately, we have been conditioned right from our childhood to have mistrust in the universe, and so misfortunes keep on coming to us because we keep on thinking of them. The world is caught in a vicious circle. Keep on thinking of love, which is God, and you will never have a misfortune. we have the power to change our own reality. Worshipping God, with a heart full of hatred, will not take you to God, as the same God has made everybody, including you, me and them. rgds ranjanDev Maharaj <dev_maharaj > wrote: NamasteDear Dear Dear EcI don't know if you actually saw the movie clips that were sent to you but I truly hope you will express love with an AK47 in your face held by a person who is brainwashed to believe that you are an infidel who deserves to die because you don't to his/her religious beliefs. Further, some of these have a love of mutilation with swords, please try to express that love when they are digging trenches in your body..... or you could ask them to build bridges instead !Please don't think I am being rude, that is not the intent. The intent is to make you consciously aware of a very serious and growing threat in a meaningful way.I want to make you aware of something personal, when in meditation I am able to recollect a lot of my past lives as the samskaras come to the fore.I was a warrior for many lifetimes and slaughtered many people in the past.I cannot get this out of my mind hard as I try. I keep seeing what I have done in some instances over and over again, some of these experiences are so intense, it is almost as if I am reliving it again. In my estimation I slaughtered some 10,000 souls and I have been performing penance for several lifetimes now. When I saw this video, the warrior in me came alive !Every one of my senses began to tell me that this is not something to treat lightly ! You may do so if you wish but I have done my duty to inform you. I will listen to your point of view and not argue with you about your perceptions and beliefs, I have already stated mine. Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharaj ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us > wrote: OM NAMAH SIVAYAno problem is ever solved out of the Consciousness from which it wascreated. every decision and action uplifts Consciousness or adds tothe gravity of it. contributes to separateness or contributes toOneness. you have the power of your perception be sure to use itwisely. build a bridge don't dig a trench. Love is the only solution.JAI MA , Dev Maharaj<dev_maharaj wrote:>> Namaste Prasanna Kumar > I agree with all that you have said here, I posted another mail thatgive a link for a video> > with the caption> For all those of you that want to practice the vay of peace,tolerance and hide your head in the sand techniques. + glorifying thedoctrine of Ahimsa> > View this !> > http://www.obsessio nthemovie. com/trailer- 12min.php> > > > It is very important that all members view this, because if thisbecomes an active threat I assure you that you may not get the chanceto realize your true nature as you may be wiped out long before !> > Namah Sivaya> Best Regards> Pandit Devindra Maharaj> > > prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna wrote: Dear Shiv Bhakt> > As human being, our greatest task is to realize our true nature,the > Divine within.That is the real purpose of life.To realize this core > (call it Atma or God),we have to grow.Our personality has develop.Such > a development occurs when our sense of divinity envelops the whole > being of ours.When a person reaches the stage where his sense of > separateness is wiped out or his ignorance knot is torn asunder,he > know himself as the Divine.Then all doults about own spiritual > statures are removed once for all.All his worldliness is eliminated and> ehat remains is a being of pure love and unselfishness.> > Regards> Prasanna Kumar > Group Owner > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. 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Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dear Rajeeva Ji, Yes, you are correct, Mahabharata was enacted by Lord Krishna to teach the world action. Here is the story of Balarama, his brother. Before the war started, Panadavas came to ask for his assistance and he refused. His logic was that disputes between kinsmen was not good. The dispute should be resolved peacefully. And he left for pilgrimage during this war. Towards the end of the war, during the final battle between Bhima and Duryodhana, Balarama comes to witness the battle between the 2. Balrama is upset that Bhima broke the thigh of Duryodhana when the ethics of gadaa yuddh was that no attack shoul; be made below the waistline. This time Krishna chastises Balarama....that first he decides to go to pilgimage when the fact is that during the war between evil and dharama, the battlefield is the true pilgrimage. Secondly, balarama was exposing his soft spot for Duryodhana...for all the wrong that Duryodhana did, never once did Balarama oppose him and one error by Bhima and immediately Balarama was up in arms against him. This soft spot for Duyodhana was the REAL reason why Balarama avoided this war going to pilgrimage instead, he had no particular interest in peace. Another thing...as I mentioned in my previous posting, Krishna goes at length to explain why Arjun should fight. He tells Arjun clearly that the peace Arjun is talking about is nothing but a weak heart which is refusing to take action against those who were his kinsmen, when fact is that in a dharma yuddh, such feelings have no place. Action without any personal gain is what Gita teaches us. The love we all talk about is not really but our cowardice that we try to hide. And I do not wish to offend you, but if your wife or your daughter were to be molested, raped by some, would you still be able to forgive them and love them just becuase they are humans? If an animal is mutilating your child, would you still not do anything to protect you kid? It is very much easy to talk about drinking poison you are not having to drink it. True, Siva exist in all, humans and animals and we should love all life without any discrimination but neither you nor me is capable of that. Such love requires zero discrimination and as such, you treat all beings as the same. The respect that you give to your mother is that same that you give to your sister. And you give that same respoect to everybodies mother, sister, daughter, son, father brother etc. In such a scenario, marrying someones daughter and being sexually intimate is completely out of question. This is the level of love that is required and you will generate the aura to melt the hatred your attacker. Are you capable of that? Siva gulped the poison, but he also slew Tripur Asuras. Look at Rama...he was an ocean of mercy, none in this group can compare with him, yet he had to kill Ravana. You do not see Rama forgiving and forgetting the abduction of his wife. But what you are indirectly suggesting is that let Sita be abducted by Ravana, Rama should complete his 14 years in vanvaas and go back to rule ayodhya as if nothing has happened. This would demonstrate corwadice, not love. Regards, Bhupendra.rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 wrote: Dear Bhupendra, Realising God also is difficult. Why we still try that? The play of Mahabharat was enacted by Krishna to deliver a lesson to the masses, for teaching. But even in that, who was the victor - all perished, including those from Pandava's side, as well. The well read doctors from Bangalore trying to rip Glasgow are also convinced about their acts. But what do we get at the end. Has violence any chance of stopping, if we keep on reacting? Somebody has to gulp the venom, like Shiva did during the ocean churning. rgds ranjanBhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Dear Rajeeva Ranjan, What you talking about seems nice in theory but difficult to practice. In mahabharata, it is finally Krishna that urges rjun to fight and uproot evil, that is what his dharma at that time was. Arjun was more willing to give up his kingdom and not fight his cousins but Krisna would not let him do it. As oper what you are saying, Kishna was wrong in instisting Arjun to fight. Please clarify is that what you are saying? Regards, bhupendra.rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 > wrote: Dear Dev Maharaj, What you visualise, you attract. You visualise AK 47, you get that. You visualise love you get that. Unfortunately, we have been conditioned right from our childhood to have mistrust in the universe, and so misfortunes keep on coming to us because we keep on thinking of them. The world is caught in a vicious circle. Keep on thinking of love, which is God, and you will never have a misfortune. we have the power to change our own reality. Worshipping God, with a heart full of hatred, will not take you to God, as the same God has made everybody, including you, me and them. rgds ranjanDev Maharaj <dev_maharaj > wrote: NamasteDear Dear Dear EcI don't know if you actually saw the movie clips that were sent to you but I truly hope you will express love with an AK47 in your face held by a person who is brainwashed to believe that you are an infidel who deserves to die because you don't to his/her religious beliefs. Further, some of these have a love of mutilation with swords, please try to express that love when they are digging trenches in your body..... or you could ask them to build bridges instead !Please don't think I am being rude, that is not the intent. The intent is to make you consciously aware of a very serious and growing threat in a meaningful way.I want to make you aware of something personal, when in meditation I am able to recollect a lot of my past lives as the samskaras come to the fore.I was a warrior for many lifetimes and slaughtered many people in the past.I cannot get this out of my mind hard as I try. I keep seeing what I have done in some instances over and over again, some of these experiences are so intense, it is almost as if I am reliving it again. In my estimation I slaughtered some 10,000 souls and I have been performing penance for several lifetimes now. When I saw this video, the warrior in me came alive !Every one of my senses began to tell me that this is not something to treat lightly ! You may do so if you wish but I have done my duty to inform you. I will listen to your point of view and not argue with you about your perceptions and beliefs, I have already stated mine. Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharaj ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us > wrote: OM NAMAH SIVAYAno problem is ever solved out of the Consciousness from which it wascreated. every decision and action uplifts Consciousness or adds tothe gravity of it. contributes to separateness or contributes toOneness. you have the power of your perception be sure to use itwisely. build a bridge don't dig a trench. Love is the only solution.JAI MA , Dev Maharaj<dev_maharaj wrote:>> Namaste Prasanna Kumar > I agree with all that you have said here, I posted another mail thatgive a link for a video> > with the caption> For all those of you that want to practice the vay of peace,tolerance and hide your head in the sand techniques. + glorifying thedoctrine of Ahimsa> > View this !> > http://www.obsessio nthemovie. com/trailer- 12min.php> > > > It is very important that all members view this, because if thisbecomes an active threat I assure you that you may not get the chanceto realize your true nature as you may be wiped out long before !> > Namah Sivaya> Best Regards> Pandit Devindra Maharaj> > > prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna wrote: Dear Shiv Bhakt> > As human being, our greatest task is to realize our true nature,the > Divine within.That is the real purpose of life.To realize this core > (call it Atma or God),we have to grow.Our personality has develop.Such > a development occurs when our sense of divinity envelops the whole > being of ours.When a person reaches the stage where his sense of > separateness is wiped out or his ignorance knot is torn asunder,he > know himself as the Divine.Then all doults about own spiritual > statures are removed once for all.All his worldliness is eliminated and> ehat remains is a being of pure love and unselfishness.> > Regards> Prasanna Kumar > Group Owner > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. 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Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Dear Bhupendra, Hypothetical questions are difficult to answer. But there was a lady in Orissa, whose husband and sons were burnt alive in a jeep, by devoted hindus, and she did not file a case. You might say it was a cowardice, as she might have feared for her own life, I call it forgivenmess. What one feels oneself, one attributes it to the world. Osama bin laden is also having his jehad, why blame him then? rgds rajeevaBhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: Dear Rajeeva Ji, Yes, you are correct, Mahabharata was enacted by Lord Krishna to teach the world action. Here is the story of Balarama, his brother. Before the war started, Panadavas came to ask for his assistance and he refused. His logic was that disputes between kinsmen was not good. The dispute should be resolved peacefully. And he left for pilgrimage during this war. Towards the end of the war, during the final battle between Bhima and Duryodhana, Balarama comes to witness the battle between the 2. Balrama is upset that Bhima broke the thigh of Duryodhana when the ethics of gadaa yuddh was that no attack shoul; be made below the waistline. This time Krishna chastises Balarama....that first he decides to go to pilgimage when the fact is that during the war between evil and dharama, the battlefield is the true pilgrimage. Secondly, balarama was exposing his soft spot for Duryodhana...for all the wrong that Duryodhana did, never once did Balarama oppose him and one error by Bhima and immediately Balarama was up in arms against him. This soft spot for Duyodhana was the REAL reason why Balarama avoided this war going to pilgrimage instead, he had no particular interest in peace. Another thing...as I mentioned in my previous posting, Krishna goes at length to explain why Arjun should fight. He tells Arjun clearly that the peace Arjun is talking about is nothing but a weak heart which is refusing to take action against those who were his kinsmen, when fact is that in a dharma yuddh, such feelings have no place. Action without any personal gain is what Gita teaches us. The love we all talk about is not really but our cowardice that we try to hide. And I do not wish to offend you, but if your wife or your daughter were to be molested, raped by some, would you still be able to forgive them and love them just becuase they are humans? If an animal is mutilating your child, would you still not do anything to protect you kid? It is very much easy to talk about drinking poison you are not having to drink it. True, Siva exist in all, humans and animals and we should love all life without any discrimination but neither you nor me is capable of that. Such love requires zero discrimination and as such, you treat all beings as the same. The respect that you give to your mother is that same that you give to your sister. And you give that same respoect to everybodies mother, sister, daughter, son, father brother etc. In such a scenario, marrying someones daughter and being sexually intimate is completely out of question. This is the level of love that is required and you will generate the aura to melt the hatred your attacker. Are you capable of that? Siva gulped the poison, but he also slew Tripur Asuras. Look at Rama...he was an ocean of mercy, none in this group can compare with him, yet he had to kill Ravana. You do not see Rama forgiving and forgetting the abduction of his wife. But what you are indirectly suggesting is that let Sita be abducted by Ravana, Rama should complete his 14 years in vanvaas and go back to rule ayodhya as if nothing has happened. This would demonstrate corwadice, not love. Regards, Bhupendra.rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 > wrote: Dear Bhupendra, Realising God also is difficult. Why we still try that? The play of Mahabharat was enacted by Krishna to deliver a lesson to the masses, for teaching. But even in that, who was the victor - all perished, including those from Pandava's side, as well. The well read doctors from Bangalore trying to rip Glasgow are also convinced about their acts. But what do we get at the end. Has violence any chance of stopping, if we keep on reacting? Somebody has to gulp the venom, like Shiva did during the ocean churning. rgds ranjanBhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Dear Rajeeva Ranjan, What you talking about seems nice in theory but difficult to practice. In mahabharata, it is finally Krishna that urges rjun to fight and uproot evil, that is what his dharma at that time was. Arjun was more willing to give up his kingdom and not fight his cousins but Krisna would not let him do it. As oper what you are saying, Kishna was wrong in instisting Arjun to fight. Please clarify is that what you are saying? Regards, bhupendra.rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 > wrote: Dear Dev Maharaj, What you visualise, you attract. You visualise AK 47, you get that. You visualise love you get that. Unfortunately, we have been conditioned right from our childhood to have mistrust in the universe, and so misfortunes keep on coming to us because we keep on thinking of them. The world is caught in a vicious circle. Keep on thinking of love, which is God, and you will never have a misfortune. we have the power to change our own reality. Worshipping God, with a heart full of hatred, will not take you to God, as the same God has made everybody, including you, me and them. rgds ranjanDev Maharaj <dev_maharaj > wrote: NamasteDear Dear Dear EcI don't know if you actually saw the movie clips that were sent to you but I truly hope you will express love with an AK47 in your face held by a person who is brainwashed to believe that you are an infidel who deserves to die because you don't to his/her religious beliefs. Further, some of these have a love of mutilation with swords, please try to express that love when they are digging trenches in your body..... or you could ask them to build bridges instead !Please don't think I am being rude, that is not the intent. The intent is to make you consciously aware of a very serious and growing threat in a meaningful way.I want to make you aware of something personal, when in meditation I am able to recollect a lot of my past lives as the samskaras come to the fore.I was a warrior for many lifetimes and slaughtered many people in the past.I cannot get this out of my mind hard as I try. I keep seeing what I have done in some instances over and over again, some of these experiences are so intense, it is almost as if I am reliving it again. In my estimation I slaughtered some 10,000 souls and I have been performing penance for several lifetimes now. When I saw this video, the warrior in me came alive !Every one of my senses began to tell me that this is not something to treat lightly ! You may do so if you wish but I have done my duty to inform you. I will listen to your point of view and not argue with you about your perceptions and beliefs, I have already stated mine. Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharaj ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us > wrote: OM NAMAH SIVAYAno problem is ever solved out of the Consciousness from which it wascreated. every decision and action uplifts Consciousness or adds tothe gravity of it. contributes to separateness or contributes toOneness. you have the power of your perception be sure to use itwisely. build a bridge don't dig a trench. Love is the only solution.JAI MA , Dev Maharaj<dev_maharaj wrote:>> Namaste Prasanna Kumar > I agree with all that you have said here, I posted another mail thatgive a link for a video> > with the caption> For all those of you that want to practice the vay of peace,tolerance and hide your head in the sand techniques. + glorifying thedoctrine of Ahimsa> > View this !> > http://www.obsessio nthemovie. com/trailer- 12min.php> > > > It is very important that all members view this, because if thisbecomes an active threat I assure you that you may not get the chanceto realize your true nature as you may be wiped out long before !> > Namah Sivaya> Best Regards> Pandit Devindra Maharaj> > > prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna wrote: Dear Shiv Bhakt> > As human being, our greatest task is to realize our true nature,the > Divine within.That is the real purpose of life.To realize this core > (call it Atma or God),we have to grow.Our personality has develop.Such > a development occurs when our sense of divinity envelops the whole > being of ours.When a person reaches the stage where his sense of > separateness is wiped out or his ignorance knot is torn asunder,he > know himself as the Divine.Then all doults about own spiritual > statures are removed once for all.All his worldliness is eliminated and> ehat remains is a being of pure love and unselfishness.> > Regards> Prasanna Kumar > Group Owner > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Namaste RajeevaYou know there is " none so blind as those that refuse to see"A very simple fact, these Jihadists are deliberately bred to hunt and kill you, in the false belief that they are somehow serving God or religion.If you wish to allow yourself to become a victim, no one can stop you.. by all means do so. Don't engage in trifling talk about me and my silly beliefs.You have been informed and warned repeatedly. If you want to forgive, vizualize and project divine love while guns are trained on you and bullets are fired at you...no one can stop you... you go right ahead.I do hope that what Lord Krishna and Lord Shiva and or any other God did in some other texts will help you in stopping a bullet with your body, being kidnapped, raped or beheaded.The first rule of life is survival, have you ever heard the saying :"If common sense was so common, a lot more people would have a lot more of it ?ponder on this.......Namah Sivaya Best regardsPandit Devindra Maharajrajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 wrote: Dear Bhupendra, Hypothetical questions are difficult to answer. But there was a lady in Orissa, whose husband and sons were burnt alive in a jeep, by devoted hindus, and she did not file a case. You might say it was a cowardice, as she might have feared for her own life, I call it forgivenmess. What one feels oneself, one attributes it to the world. Osama bin laden is also having his jehad, why blame him then? rgds rajeevaBhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Dear Rajeeva Ji, Yes, you are correct, Mahabharata was enacted by Lord Krishna to teach the world action. Here is the story of Balarama, his brother. Before the war started, Panadavas came to ask for his assistance and he refused. His logic was that disputes between kinsmen was not good. The dispute should be resolved peacefully. And he left for pilgrimage during this war. Towards the end of the war, during the final battle between Bhima and Duryodhana, Balarama comes to witness the battle between the 2. Balrama is upset that Bhima broke the thigh of Duryodhana when the ethics of gadaa yuddh was that no attack shoul; be made below the waistline. This time Krishna chastises Balarama....that first he decides to go to pilgimage when the fact is that during the war between evil and dharama, the battlefield is the true pilgrimage. Secondly, balarama was exposing his soft spot for Duryodhana...for all the wrong that Duryodhana did, never once did Balarama oppose him and one error by Bhima and immediately Balarama was up in arms against him. This soft spot for Duyodhana was the REAL reason why Balarama avoided this war going to pilgrimage instead, he had no particular interest in peace. Another thing...as I mentioned in my previous posting, Krishna goes at length to explain why Arjun should fight. He tells Arjun clearly that the peace Arjun is talking about is nothing but a weak heart which is refusing to take action against those who were his kinsmen, when fact is that in a dharma yuddh, such feelings have no place. Action without any personal gain is what Gita teaches us. The love we all talk about is not really but our cowardice that we try to hide. And I do not wish to offend you, but if your wife or your daughter were to be molested, raped by some, would you still be able to forgive them and love them just becuase they are humans? If an animal is mutilating your child, would you still not do anything to protect you kid? It is very much easy to talk about drinking poison you are not having to drink it. True, Siva exist in all, humans and animals and we should love all life without any discrimination but neither you nor me is capable of that. Such love requires zero discrimination and as such, you treat all beings as the same. The respect that you give to your mother is that same that you give to your sister. And you give that same respoect to everybodies mother, sister, daughter, son, father brother etc. In such a scenario, marrying someones daughter and being sexually intimate is completely out of question. This is the level of love that is required and you will generate the aura to melt the hatred your attacker. Are you capable of that? Siva gulped the poison, but he also slew Tripur Asuras. Look at Rama...he was an ocean of mercy, none in this group can compare with him, yet he had to kill Ravana. You do not see Rama forgiving and forgetting the abduction of his wife. But what you are indirectly suggesting is that let Sita be abducted by Ravana, Rama should complete his 14 years in vanvaas and go back to rule ayodhya as if nothing has happened. This would demonstrate corwadice, not love. Regards, Bhupendra.rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 > wrote: Dear Bhupendra, Realising God also is difficult. Why we still try that? The play of Mahabharat was enacted by Krishna to deliver a lesson to the masses, for teaching. But even in that, who was the victor - all perished, including those from Pandava's side, as well. The well read doctors from Bangalore trying to rip Glasgow are also convinced about their acts. But what do we get at the end. Has violence any chance of stopping, if we keep on reacting? Somebody has to gulp the venom, like Shiva did during the ocean churning. rgds ranjanBhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Dear Rajeeva Ranjan, What you talking about seems nice in theory but difficult to practice. In mahabharata, it is finally Krishna that urges rjun to fight and uproot evil, that is what his dharma at that time was. Arjun was more willing to give up his kingdom and not fight his cousins but Krisna would not let him do it. As oper what you are saying, Kishna was wrong in instisting Arjun to fight. Please clarify is that what you are saying? Regards, bhupendra.rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 > wrote: Dear Dev Maharaj, What you visualise, you attract. You visualise AK 47, you get that. You visualise love you get that. Unfortunately, we have been conditioned right from our childhood to have mistrust in the universe, and so misfortunes keep on coming to us because we keep on thinking of them. The world is caught in a vicious circle. Keep on thinking of love, which is God, and you will never have a misfortune. we have the power to change our own reality. Worshipping God, with a heart full of hatred, will not take you to God, as the same God has made everybody, including you, me and them. rgds ranjanDev Maharaj <dev_maharaj > wrote: NamasteDear Dear Dear EcI don't know if you actually saw the movie clips that were sent to you but I truly hope you will express love with an AK47 in your face held by a person who is brainwashed to believe that you are an infidel who deserves to die because you don't to his/her religious beliefs. Further, some of these have a love of mutilation with swords, please try to express that love when they are digging trenches in your body..... or you could ask them to build bridges instead !Please don't think I am being rude, that is not the intent. The intent is to make you consciously aware of a very serious and growing threat in a meaningful way.I want to make you aware of something personal, when in meditation I am able to recollect a lot of my past lives as the samskaras come to the fore.I was a warrior for many lifetimes and slaughtered many people in the past.I cannot get this out of my mind hard as I try. I keep seeing what I have done in some instances over and over again, some of these experiences are so intense, it is almost as if I am reliving it again. In my estimation I slaughtered some 10,000 souls and I have been performing penance for several lifetimes now. When I saw this video, the warrior in me came alive !Every one of my senses began to tell me that this is not something to treat lightly ! You may do so if you wish but I have done my duty to inform you. I will listen to your point of view and not argue with you about your perceptions and beliefs, I have already stated mine. Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharaj ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us > wrote: OM NAMAH SIVAYAno problem is ever solved out of the Consciousness from which it wascreated. every decision and action uplifts Consciousness or adds tothe gravity of it. contributes to separateness or contributes toOneness. you have the power of your perception be sure to use itwisely. build a bridge don't dig a trench. Love is the only solution.JAI MA , Dev Maharaj<dev_maharaj wrote:>> Namaste Prasanna Kumar > I agree with all that you have said here, I posted another mail thatgive a link for a video> > with the caption> For all those of you that want to practice the vay of peace,tolerance and hide your head in the sand techniques. + glorifying thedoctrine of Ahimsa> > View this !> > http://www.obsessio nthemovie. com/trailer- 12min.php> > > > It is very important that all members view this, because if thisbecomes an active threat I assure you that you may not get the chanceto realize your true nature as you may be wiped out long before !> > Namah Sivaya> Best Regards> Pandit Devindra Maharaj> > > prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna wrote: Dear Shiv Bhakt> > As human being, our greatest task is to realize our true nature,the > Divine within.That is the real purpose of life.To realize this core > (call it Atma or God),we have to grow.Our personality has develop.Such > a development occurs when our sense of divinity envelops the whole > being of ours.When a person reaches the stage where his sense of > separateness is wiped out or his ignorance knot is torn asunder,he > know himself as the Divine.Then all doults about own spiritual > statures are removed once for all.All his worldliness is eliminated and> ehat remains is a being of pure love and unselfishness.> > Regards> Prasanna Kumar > Group Owner > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Dear Rajeev Ji, I can say that I sympathise with the lady whose story you tell. But do realise that by not giving these culprits to the police, they probably have gone to kill a few more people. And the lady could have had her own reasons for not reporting to the police such the the fear of retribution. I do not believe that love was an issue here. I certainly cannot accuse that lady of being a coward when she all of a sudden has a number of other problems on life. Going back to Ramayan and Mahabharata, both Ram and Krishna tried many times to bring a peaceful solution, but failed and finally resorted to war. Soon after Pandavas completed their exile, they sent a messenger to Dhritrashtra and the reply the Pandavas got from him was "Leave wherever you are in peace". He never talked about returning their kingdom back. So easy it was for him to talk about peace when it suits his purpose. But are you saying that Krishna and Ram were both war mongers? Is there anyone in this gorup including me and you who can compare in ideals to these 2 great souls? If they see fit to go to war in some scenarios, why do you talk about peace in every situation? Don't you realise that there is a flow in your argument? Just imagine...when someone is thirsty, they go for water and when hungry, they go for food, you cannot go for food alone or water alone....you will simply not last. There is always an appropritae solution to every situation, you just cannot apply tha same solution in every situation. Some years backs in India, there was a suggestion that photo ids be introduced for Indian citizens to help identify illegal immigrants from Bangladesh and Pakistan. They were going to do away with ration cards and instead, replace it with these photo ids. But there was objection to this from muslims organizations...and why you might ask? Becuase in their religion, it is not OK to take photos. How incredible! Do not muslims need to have their photographs taklen for passports if they need to travel? Don't muslims from Saudi Arabia, Iran etc have their passports with their photos? Do these muslims object to their photgraphs taken for drivers license, health cards and other ids in North American countries? But somehow, photo in a photo id in India is against their religion. Is this a bloody joke? Do you realise what I am saying sir? India has some of the most accomodating rules for people from muslim background, but yet this is the attitude of the muslims in India. Why is it this way? Is it becuase the system is just too accomodating? In North America and generally in the west, their is one simple rule of thumb for every immigrant...follow the rules of the land or get lost, there is never going to be any accomodaiton. So everybody is obedient and gets their photos taken with a smile....they have no choice but to do that. Do you realise what I am saying sir....there is a fundamental problem in the manner some communities are dealt with in India. I hope you understand what I am trying to say. I am not at all angry at you but I am trying to reason, so please do not get upset. Thanks, Bhupendra.rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 wrote: Dear Bhupendra, Hypothetical questions are difficult to answer. But there was a lady in Orissa, whose husband and sons were burnt alive in a jeep, by devoted hindus, and she did not file a case. You might say it was a cowardice, as she might have feared for her own life, I call it forgivenmess. What one feels oneself, one attributes it to the world. Osama bin laden is also having his jehad, why blame him then? rgds rajeevaBhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Dear Rajeeva Ji, Yes, you are correct, Mahabharata was enacted by Lord Krishna to teach the world action. Here is the story of Balarama, his brother. Before the war started, Panadavas came to ask for his assistance and he refused. His logic was that disputes between kinsmen was not good. The dispute should be resolved peacefully. And he left for pilgrimage during this war. Towards the end of the war, during the final battle between Bhima and Duryodhana, Balarama comes to witness the battle between the 2. Balrama is upset that Bhima broke the thigh of Duryodhana when the ethics of gadaa yuddh was that no attack shoul; be made below the waistline. This time Krishna chastises Balarama....that first he decides to go to pilgimage when the fact is that during the war between evil and dharama, the battlefield is the true pilgrimage. Secondly, balarama was exposing his soft spot for Duryodhana...for all the wrong that Duryodhana did, never once did Balarama oppose him and one error by Bhima and immediately Balarama was up in arms against him. This soft spot for Duyodhana was the REAL reason why Balarama avoided this war going to pilgrimage instead, he had no particular interest in peace. Another thing...as I mentioned in my previous posting, Krishna goes at length to explain why Arjun should fight. He tells Arjun clearly that the peace Arjun is talking about is nothing but a weak heart which is refusing to take action against those who were his kinsmen, when fact is that in a dharma yuddh, such feelings have no place. Action without any personal gain is what Gita teaches us. The love we all talk about is not really but our cowardice that we try to hide. And I do not wish to offend you, but if your wife or your daughter were to be molested, raped by some, would you still be able to forgive them and love them just becuase they are humans? If an animal is mutilating your child, would you still not do anything to protect you kid? It is very much easy to talk about drinking poison you are not having to drink it. True, Siva exist in all, humans and animals and we should love all life without any discrimination but neither you nor me is capable of that. Such love requires zero discrimination and as such, you treat all beings as the same. The respect that you give to your mother is that same that you give to your sister. And you give that same respoect to everybodies mother, sister, daughter, son, father brother etc. In such a scenario, marrying someones daughter and being sexually intimate is completely out of question. This is the level of love that is required and you will generate the aura to melt the hatred your attacker. Are you capable of that? Siva gulped the poison, but he also slew Tripur Asuras. Look at Rama...he was an ocean of mercy, none in this group can compare with him, yet he had to kill Ravana. You do not see Rama forgiving and forgetting the abduction of his wife. But what you are indirectly suggesting is that let Sita be abducted by Ravana, Rama should complete his 14 years in vanvaas and go back to rule ayodhya as if nothing has happened. This would demonstrate corwadice, not love. Regards, Bhupendra.rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 > wrote: Dear Bhupendra, Realising God also is difficult. Why we still try that? The play of Mahabharat was enacted by Krishna to deliver a lesson to the masses, for teaching. But even in that, who was the victor - all perished, including those from Pandava's side, as well. The well read doctors from Bangalore trying to rip Glasgow are also convinced about their acts. But what do we get at the end. Has violence any chance of stopping, if we keep on reacting? Somebody has to gulp the venom, like Shiva did during the ocean churning. rgds ranjanBhupendra Jamnadas <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: Dear Rajeeva Ranjan, What you talking about seems nice in theory but difficult to practice. In mahabharata, it is finally Krishna that urges rjun to fight and uproot evil, that is what his dharma at that time was. Arjun was more willing to give up his kingdom and not fight his cousins but Krisna would not let him do it. As oper what you are saying, Kishna was wrong in instisting Arjun to fight. Please clarify is that what you are saying? Regards, bhupendra.rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 > wrote: Dear Dev Maharaj, What you visualise, you attract. You visualise AK 47, you get that. You visualise love you get that. Unfortunately, we have been conditioned right from our childhood to have mistrust in the universe, and so misfortunes keep on coming to us because we keep on thinking of them. The world is caught in a vicious circle. Keep on thinking of love, which is God, and you will never have a misfortune. we have the power to change our own reality. Worshipping God, with a heart full of hatred, will not take you to God, as the same God has made everybody, including you, me and them. rgds ranjanDev Maharaj <dev_maharaj > wrote: NamasteDear Dear Dear EcI don't know if you actually saw the movie clips that were sent to you but I truly hope you will express love with an AK47 in your face held by a person who is brainwashed to believe that you are an infidel who deserves to die because you don't to his/her religious beliefs. Further, some of these have a love of mutilation with swords, please try to express that love when they are digging trenches in your body..... or you could ask them to build bridges instead !Please don't think I am being rude, that is not the intent. The intent is to make you consciously aware of a very serious and growing threat in a meaningful way.I want to make you aware of something personal, when in meditation I am able to recollect a lot of my past lives as the samskaras come to the fore.I was a warrior for many lifetimes and slaughtered many people in the past.I cannot get this out of my mind hard as I try. I keep seeing what I have done in some instances over and over again, some of these experiences are so intense, it is almost as if I am reliving it again. In my estimation I slaughtered some 10,000 souls and I have been performing penance for several lifetimes now. When I saw this video, the warrior in me came alive !Every one of my senses began to tell me that this is not something to treat lightly ! You may do so if you wish but I have done my duty to inform you. I will listen to your point of view and not argue with you about your perceptions and beliefs, I have already stated mine. Namah SivayaBest RegardsPandit Devindra Maharaj ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us > wrote: OM NAMAH SIVAYAno problem is ever solved out of the Consciousness from which it wascreated. every decision and action uplifts Consciousness or adds tothe gravity of it. contributes to separateness or contributes toOneness. you have the power of your perception be sure to use itwisely. build a bridge don't dig a trench. Love is the only solution.JAI MA , Dev Maharaj<dev_maharaj wrote:>> Namaste Prasanna Kumar > I agree with all that you have said here, I posted another mail thatgive a link for a video> > with the caption> For all those of you that want to practice the vay of peace,tolerance and hide your head in the sand techniques. + glorifying thedoctrine of Ahimsa> > View this !> > http://www.obsessio nthemovie. com/trailer- 12min.php> > > > It is very important that all members view this, because if thisbecomes an active threat I assure you that you may not get the chanceto realize your true nature as you may be wiped out long before !> > Namah Sivaya> Best Regards> Pandit Devindra Maharaj> > > prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna wrote: Dear Shiv Bhakt> > As human being, our greatest task is to realize our true nature,the > Divine within.That is the real purpose of life.To realize this core > (call it Atma or God),we have to grow.Our personality has develop.Such > a development occurs when our sense of divinity envelops the whole > being of ours.When a person reaches the stage where his sense of > separateness is wiped out or his ignorance knot is torn asunder,he > know himself as the Divine.Then all doults about own spiritual > statures are removed once for all.All his worldliness is eliminated and> ehat remains is a being of pure love and unselfishness.> > Regards> Prasanna Kumar > Group Owner > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat!Dear Shri Hari and Hara's bows to HIS-self in you.Please prabhu's do not fire words like arrows on anyone for we all came from the same ... Satyam Shivam Sundaram....Here is a page extracted from Sri Krishna's teachings...it moved my-self-; For all Rudras replace Krishna with Rudra but the message is still the same .. Tat-vama-Shi...Uddhava said: “It is very difficult to discard or endure the insults of the wicked and keep peace of mind. Except your devotees who have firm faith in your grace, who have taken shelter at Thy feet, who practice the religion taught by Thee, who are even-minded, no others including even the learned can overcome the frailties of nature or the force of Your Maya. Human nature is human nature, O Lord. It is too strong or powerful for men. Therefore, O best of teachers! O Lord of the universe, Antaryamin of all, kindly explain, how even an ordinary mortal can attain such tranquility of mind to disregard the taunts and insults of the wicked. Please explain to me in such a way that I may grasp it.”The Lord said: “O disciple of Brihaspati there is not in the world a sage who can control his mind when he is pierced by harsh words of the wicked. Even arrows aimed and directed with force at the most vital parts of a man will not give so much pain as the cruel harsh words of the wicked which rankle in the heart for ever. O Uddhava, I shall narrate to you a very sacred story of ancient times. Listen to it with rapt attention. It was recited by an ascetic who was ill-treated by the wicked, but who bore it with great patience and fortitude, and who thought it was all due to his own past actions. This was sung by him. There lived in Avanti a very wealthy Brahmin. But he led a very miserable life. He earned money by the evil ways of the world. He did business. He was miserly, covetous and very irritable. He did not spend anything in charity. He did not greet his relations or guest with kind words even. He never even attended to the comforts of himself, his wife, children or servants. He was a human iron-safe hoarding and guarding money. He dwelt in a house unknown to all religious activities. As he led such a miserly and impure life, his sons and relatives did not like him. His wife, daughters and servants got so much disgusted that they would not do what he liked. He took pleasure only in hoarding money. He was destitute of righteousness. He never enjoyed his life. So he lost both this life and the next. The gods presiding over the five Yajnas or daily sacrifices grew very angry. O liberal Uddhava, his stock of merits was exhausted through his neglect of the five claimants. Even the wealth which he had hoarded with great pains and exertion was lost. O Uddhava, some of his wealth was taken by his relatives. Thieves laid their hands on some. He lost another portion by the anger of the gods or calamities or accidents and by the lapse of time. Some of it was taken by men and kings. When his wealth was thus lost he was neglected and cast away by his own people. He was very much afflicted at heart when he reflected that his wealth had never been used for the satisfaction of his own desires or for righteousness. He shed tears when he reflected on his pitiable condition and his voice was choked. He developed intense disgust for the world. He attained Vairagya or distaste for worldly possessions and enjoyments like an ascetic. He said to himself, “My experience has indeed been bitter. Alas! Woe unto me! I deserve it. I have tormented my body in hoarding wealth. I have not utilised the wealth for the attainment of my desires or righteousness. I have gained neither righteousness nor my own pleasures. Generally the wealth of the miserly does not contribute to their comfort or happiness. It only leads to their affliction in this world and leads them to hell and loss of their soul after their death. The spotless fame of a renowned man and the excellent qualities of a virtuous man are spoiled by greed, however little it may be, just as a small patch of white skin or leucoderma spoils even the most beautiful forms. In acquiring wealth, in improving it when got, in protecting it, in spending it, in its loss and use, men experience only exertion, fear, anxiety and delusion. Theft, injury to others, falsehood, hypocrisy, lust, anger, pride, haughtiness, discord, enmity, distrust, envy, over-indulgence in women, wine and gamblings—these fifteen evils pertaining to men have indeed, their source in wealth. Therefore one who is desirous of obtaining the highest good should abandon the evil known as wealth from a distance. Also brothers, wives, fathers and friends fall out and soon become enemies for the sake of a small sum of money. For the sake of a little money they quarrel and become enraged. They abandon all prior remembrance and affection, and out of jealousy stand in the way of one another, attack and kill one another. Having attained a human birth which is covetable even by gods and a high place viz., the foremost life of a Brahmin, those who neglect this and spoil their own interests (viz., Self-realisation) surely reach the most miserable end. Having attained this human body, the gateway to heaven and emancipation, which mortal man would be attached to wealth, the abode of all evil? The miser who hoards and guards his wealth like a Yaksha, who does not share it with the gods, the Rishis, the Pitris, relatives, friends, lower animals who all deserve a share, and does not use it for his own self, falls down. My life and strength were carelessly spent in the vain acquisition of wealth, by which men of discrimination attain their goal. What can I do now in my old age? Why do even learned men who know that wealth is the source of all evils exert much to obtain wealth which tends to no good purpose? Surely this world is totally deluded by the Maya of someone. What is the use of wealth or other acquisitions, desire or objects of desire, for a man who is in the grip of death? What is the use of Karma as it will only involve him in a never-ending series of births and deaths? Certainly that glorious Lord Hari, who is the Lord of the universe, who is the embodiment of all the gods, is immensely pleased with me, for He has brought me to this state in which I am endowed with Vairagya or dispassion which is a raft or a boat for me to cross the ocean of Samsara or ocean of births and deaths. I shall lead the rest of my life, if at all there is any left, in penance, I shall find delight in Atman only. I shall do all that tends to the attainment of highest good. I shall lead a virtuous life and strive for my salvation. May the gods, the rulers of the three worlds bless me to attain this state. Raja Katwanga, attained the abode of Brahma within an hour.” The Lord said: “Having thus resolved in his mind, the great Brahmin of Avanti cut off all desires and also the knot of egoism in his heart and became a Sannyasin. He also became tranquil in mind. He wandered alone over the earth with perfect control over his mind, senses and Pranas and he just entered towns and villages for the sake of alms. No one knew who he was. Wicked people surrounded, mocked and ill-treated the old and ugly monk in various ways. Some took away his bamboo staff, some his begging bowl and water pot, some his seat and someone his rosary and some again, his torn clothes. They would offer to give them back and when he came near laugh at him and refuse to give them. Sometimes they returned those things but again snatched them from him. At other times when he was eating his alms near a lake or a tank, they would pour excretions or spit over his head. They made him speak when he was observing silence and beat him if he did not do so. Others said, ‘This man is a thief.’ Some tied him with a rope and some said, ‘Kill him, Kill him.’ Some abused and taunted him and said, ‘He is a rogue posing himself to be a righteous man. Having lost all his wealth and being abandoned by his relatives, he has taken to this course of life.’ ‘Oh, he is very strong. He endures all taunts and remains unshaken like a mountain. He is very resolute like a heron. He wants to gain his purpose by silence.Some mocked him often, while others tied him with ropes to a pillar or a tree, making sport of him as if he were a toy or a bird. Whatever affliction or trouble thus befell him caused by the elements or the gods or his own body, he thought they were predestined and therefore must be patiently borne. Even though he was insulted and treated with contempt by wicked men, even though they tried to make him abandon his saintly course he stuck to his path of righteousness, quite steadily and sang the following song. The Brahmin said, ‘Neither this body nor these people nor the gods, nor the Atman, nor planets, nor Karma nor time is the cause of my pleasure or pain. The wise say or the Srutis declare that it is the mind that is the true cause of pleasure and pain, as it sets in motion the wheel of Samsara. The mind creates desire and the like. It makes the various Gunas function and through them brings about various Karmas, good, bad or indifferent for the attainment of such desires. By such actions man gets into bondage or Samsara (chain of births and deaths) and attains different kinds of birth according to the nature of his actions. Atman is the self-effulgent, inactive, silent witness of the activities of the mind. He is the friend of the Jiva. The Jiva identifies himself with the mind on account of ignorance, and thinks he is the actor. In reality it is the mind that does everything, who enjoys sense-objects through desires and mind’s active qualities and thus becomes bound. Charity, the performance of duties of his own Varna and Ashrama, the observance of Yamas and Niyamas, the study of the Vedas, virtuous actions and the good observances as fasting on Ekadasi—all these lead to the control of mind. The control of the mind is the highest form of Yoga. When one’s mind is controlled and tranquil, of what use are charity and the rest for him? If his mind is uncontrolled and restless, of what use, again, are this charity and the rest? The gods and the organs presided over by them, are under the control of the mind, but the mind never comes under the control of any one else. This is a formidable God stronger than the strongest. Therefore, he who can control the mind is indeed the God of gods. Without curbing or conquering this strong invincible enemy of irresistible force within, that cuts the very vital parts, some foolish people try to achieve victories outside creating friends, enemies, or neutrals. Those who do not conquer the mind make friends and enemies. Deluded men think, ‘This is my body’ and they go astray. They mistake this body, a mere creation of the mind to be their own and their selves. They are deluded by the wrong notions of ‘I’, ‘thine’ and ‘he’. They think ‘He is different’ and thus wander in the unlimited wilderness of ignorance. If the body is the cause of pleasure and pain, the Atman has nothing to do with it, because it concerns the two bodies which are made up of the same earth. The two bodies are really one body. If people are the cause of my pleasure and pain, the Atman or source of bliss immanent in me as the only real eternal factor, is present in all of them. If sometimes any one bites his own lips or tongue with his own teeth inadvertently, with whom should he be angry for the pain? If the deity is the cause of pain, the Atman has nothing to do with it, because it is related to two deities i.e., to the two organs presided over by the two deities. The Devatas who guide the senses are the same in all beings. If you beat another man in his hand, the presiding deity of the hand viz., Indra is the same in both. What has this to do with the Atman? It always remains unaffected. If sometimes, in the same body of a man one limb strikes against another, with whom should he become angry? If the Atman is the cause of pleasure and pain, such experience must be considered unreal as the Vedas declare that the essence of Atman is bliss and that all things but Atman are unreal and transitory. If the Atman or one’s own Self is the cause of pleasure and pain, evidently nothing in that case happens from another. In that case the cause is one’s own nature, pleasure and pain are of the essence of itself, because there is nothing besides the Atman. If there be, it must be unreal. Therefore how could there be then any occasion for anger? With whom should one become angry? There is neither pleasure nor pain. Atman only really exists. If the planets be the cause of pleasure and pain, what have they then to do with Atman who is unborn, because the planets affect the body only? Further, one planet exercise an adverse influence on another planet. The Atman is entirely different from either the planet or the body. With whom then should one become angry? If work be the cause of pleasure and pain, how can it affect or touch the pure, actionless and Immortal Atman, because work is possible to any agency which happens to be unintelligent and intelligent? But the body is unintelligent and the Atman is pure intelligence. Therefore Karma which is supposed to be the cause for pleasure and pain does not exist at all. Then with whom should one become angry? If Time be the cause of pleasure and pain, how can it affect the Atman, because Atman is Himself Time. Certainly fire cannot be adversely affected by heat, nor snow by cold. The pairs of opposites cannot affect the immortal Atman which is beyond them. Therefore who should be angry with whom? He who has attained illumination has fear from no one else. The Atman which is beyond Prakriti is not affected by the pairs of opposites. Ahamkara only is the cause of Samsara. Ahamkara only is affected by the pairs of opposites. So I shall practise this devotion to the Supreme Self which the most ancient Rishis had, and I shall cross the unlimited ocean of ignorance. The Lord said: “This was the song sung by that sage who lost his wealth and attained dispassion, who roamed over the earth as a Sannyasin free from anxiety and who remained unshaken from his righteous course, though he was thus ill-treated and insulted by the wicked. The cause of happiness or misery is no other than one’s self. It is a delusion of the mind. This world consisting of friends, neutrals and enemies which affects a man with pleasure and pain is a delusion of the mind caused by ignorance. Therefore, O child! Control the mind perfectly by fixing it on Me. Restrain the activities of the mind by the force of your intellect. This is the very gist of Yoga. This is in brief all Yoga. This is the highest aim and end of Yoga. Whoever with a serene mind studies, recites before others or hears this song of the tranquil, self-restrained Sannyasi immersed in Brahman is not overpowered by the pairs of opposites.Subham DinamAstu!SarvamSriKrishnaArpanamAstu! 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