Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 By Swami Chetanananda Originally published in the 1996 Kali Mandir Puja Program. A non-Christian who is unfamiliar with Jesus becomes horrified when he sees Christians worshipping a portrait of an image of a person hanging on a cross, bleeding, in pain and agony. Similarly, a Christian who is unfamiliar with the Hindu Goddess Kali thinks Her image as dreadful and obnoxious. Ignorance is the mother of all evil. It creates misunderstanding, hatred, intolerance, and many other problems of life. So it is not wise to judge another's tradition. It is better to study and try to understand it with sincerity and respect. According to Hindu tradition, Brahman is the ultimate reality. It is existence-consciousness-bliss absolute, and name and form belong to maya. As fire and its burning power are inseparable, so too are Brahman and its maya power. Brahman is the unchanging reality, whereas maya is the changing reality; like an ocean and its waves. When Brahman manifests with its maya, it becomes God, Shakti, Kali, or the Divine Mother. The Absolute becomes relative through space, time, and causation. It is God, or the Divine Mother, who creates, preserves, and dissolves this universe and all beings. In fact, human beings evolve from God, live in God, and dissolve in God; because of ignorance they are unaware of it. God is neither he nor she, but pure Spirit. The concept of gender begins at the physical level. In Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, God is conceived of as the male principle, and in Hinduism God is conceived of as both male and female. In some religions, good and evil are two different entities, but not in Hinduism. Good and evil are the same energy manifesting in different ways: fire can burn a child and it also can cook food for us; again, the mind thinks good thoughts and bad thoughts. The Hindus have reconciled this riddle of good and evil through the symbol of Kali. She is the embodiment of Energy and manifest in both benign and terrible ways. She dispenses the result of human karma. She is not responsible for the happiness or misery of human beings. These conditions are the outcome of their karma. When a person's desire is good, his resolution is good, his action is good, and his accomplishment is good; and vice versa. Kali is not cruel or partial; She loves all beings because all are Her children. The Symbolism of Kali Name: Kali is so called because She devours Kala (time) and then resumes Her own dark formlessness. She is the embodiment of three gunas (qualities of nature): She creates with Her sattva guna (quality of goodness and purity), preserves with rajas (passion and activity), and destroys with tamas (ignorance and inertia). Complexion: Her complexion is deep blue, like the sky. As the sky is limitless, so is She. From a distance one sees the ocean water as blue, but it is colorless and transparent when examined closely. Crescent above the forehead: She is the giver of liberation. Earrings: Images of two little babies hang from Her ears; this means that She favors childlike devotees. Smiling face: She is ever-blissful. Tongue: Kali's white teeth symbolize sattva or serenity; Her red tongue, rajas, or activity; and Her drunkenness: tamas or inertia. The meaning: tamas can be conquered by rajas, and rajas by sattva. Full breast: She is the nourisher of all beings. Terrible form: She is the mother of the universe as well as the destroyer. When a mother spanks her child, it does not mean that she is cruel; she disciplines her child for its own good. Necklace: It consist of fifty skulls that represent the fifty letters of the Sanskrit alphabet, the origin of sound. She is Shabda Brahman (Sound-Brahman), or Logos-the source of creation. Two right arms: The upper right arm grants fearlessness, and the lower right arm offers boons. She protects Her children from danger, and She fulfills their desires. Two left arms: She holds a sword with the upper left arm and a severed head with the lower. She can cut human bondage with the sword of knowledge, and She imparts wisdom to the head, the receptacle of supreme wisdom. Naked form: She is called digambari, " clad in space. " She is infinite, so no finite dress can cover Her. Waist: Kali's waist is encircled with a girdle of severed human arms that represent action. All human actions and their results go to the Divine Mother. At the end of a cycle all souls merge with Kali; during creation they again evolve with their respective karmas. Shiva is under Her feet: Shiva and Shakti are always together. He is the changeless aspect of the Supreme, and She the apparently changing aspect of the same. Shiva is pure cosmic consciousness, and Kali is cosmic energy. No creation is possible without their union. Siva cannot manifest without the power of Kali, and Kali cannot function without the consciousness of Shiva. Dakshina Kali and Vama Kali: If Her right foot is forward, She is Dakshina Kali (benign form); and if Her left foot is forward, Vama Kali (terrible form). May the Divine Mother Kali endow us with love and wisdom, discrimination and dispassion, bliss and liberation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Kali_Ma , " Jim M " <nightwolf1954 wrote: > > By Swami Chetanananda > > > > Originally published in the 1996 Kali Mandir Puja Program. > > > A non-Christian who is unfamiliar with Jesus becomes horrified when he sees Christians worshipping a portrait of an image of a person hanging on a cross, bleeding, in pain and agony. Similarly, a Christian who is unfamiliar with the Hindu Goddess Kali thinks Her image as dreadful and obnoxious. Ignorance is the mother of all evil. It creates misunderstanding, hatred, intolerance, and many other problems of life. So it is not wise to judge another's tradition. It is better to study and try to understand it with sincerity and respect. > > According to Hindu tradition, Brahman is the ultimate reality. It is existence-consciousness-bliss absolute, and name and form belong to maya. As fire and its burning power are inseparable, so too are Brahman and its maya power. Brahman is the unchanging reality, whereas maya is the changing reality; like an ocean and its waves. When Brahman manifests with its maya, it becomes God, Shakti, Kali, or the Divine Mother. The Absolute becomes relative through space, time, and causation. It is God, or the Divine Mother, who creates, preserves, and dissolves this universe and all beings. In fact, human beings evolve from God, live in God, and dissolve in God; because of ignorance they are unaware of it. God is neither he nor she, but pure Spirit. The concept of gender begins at the physical level. In Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, God is conceived of as the male principle, and in Hinduism God is conceived of as both male and female. > > > > In some religions, good and evil are two different entities, but not in Hinduism. Good and evil are the same energy manifesting in different ways: fire can burn a child and it also can cook food for us; again, the mind thinks good thoughts and bad thoughts. The Hindus have reconciled this riddle of good and evil through the symbol of Kali. She is the embodiment of Energy and manifest in both benign and terrible ways. She dispenses the result of human karma. She is not responsible for the happiness or misery of human beings. These conditions are the outcome of their karma. When a person's desire is good, his resolution is good, his action is good, and his accomplishment is good; and vice versa. Kali is not cruel or partial; She loves all beings because all are Her children. > > Dakshina Kali and Vama Kali: If Her right foot is forward, She is Dakshina Kali (benign form); and if Her left foot is forward, Vama Kali (terrible form). > > May the Divine Mother Kali endow us with love and wisdom, discrimination and dispassion, bliss and liberation * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JAI MA KALI!!! The first time I saw a poster of Kali, I was deeply attracted to Her, but I thought She might be MEAN so I stayed away from Her. Years later, I was moved to read a book by a devotee of Hers (the woman who started the Kali Mandir in Laguna Beach, CA) I just can't stay away from Her now. I want to know more! I want to worship Her! I want Her to be my Mama.... OM KLIM KALIKAYEI NAMAHA!!! - - - Faith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Hi to Jim M: that was good to see: someone using this site for actual Kali related chit chat. I am familiar with the way Kali Mandir (and it's associated temple: Dakshineswar in KolKatta) worship Ma. I find it interesting but too conservative for my liking: Vedanta is redundant. Tantra is far more practical for everyday devotees in this Kali-yuga. And remember that Ramakrishna was predominantly a Tantric with any arguments to the contrary being just an attempt by conservative and maniplative Vedantics to push their version of the truth. In addition i find Kali Mandirs dislike of Vamacara to be an attitude based upon being influenced by too many like minded conservatives which is why i will never visit their little exercise in westernised spiritual capitalism. Kali is my mother and she shows herself uniquely to me just as she does to all true devotees. She is not a goddess for human sheep, to be blindly followed like so called believers in the worlds predominant abrahamical religions. She is for the induvidual in the crowd not the crowd itself which is why i really don't like mainstream religious structures which includes Brahmanical Indias attempt to domesticate her. Nevertheless what u have written is a start and thank Kali for that. Om Shantih, SKG. PS: I am a devotee from melbourne, oz. Where are u from? and how did Ma' find u? --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Jim M <nightwolf1954 wrote: Jim M <nightwolf1954 is Kala-Ma Terrible??Kali_Ma Received: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 3:24 AM By Swami Chetanananda Originally published in the 1996 Kali Mandir Puja Program. A non-Christian who is unfamiliar with Jesus becomes horrified when he sees Christians worshipping a portrait of an image of a person hanging on a cross, bleeding, in pain and agony. Similarly, a Christian who is unfamiliar with the Hindu Goddess Kali thinks Her image as dreadful and obnoxious. Ignorance is the mother of all evil. It creates misunderstanding, hatred, intolerance, and many other problems of life. So it is not wise to judge another's tradition. It is better to study and try to understand it with sincerity and respect. According to Hindu tradition, Brahman is the ultimate reality. It is existence-conscious ness-bliss absolute, and name and form belong to maya. As fire and its burning power are inseparable, so too are Brahman and its maya power. Brahman is the unchanging reality, whereas maya is the changing reality; like an ocean and its waves. When Brahman manifests with its maya, it becomes God, Shakti, Kali, or the Divine Mother. The Absolute becomes relative through space, time, and causation. It is God, or the Divine Mother, who creates, preserves, and dissolves this universe and all beings. In fact, human beings evolve from God, live in God, and dissolve in God; because of ignorance they are unaware of it. God is neither he nor she, but pure Spirit. The concept of gender begins at the physical level. In Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, God is conceived of as the male principle, and in Hinduism God is conceived of as both male and female. In some religions, good and evil are two different entities, but not in Hinduism. Good and evil are the same energy manifesting in different ways: fire can burn a child and it also can cook food for us; again, the mind thinks good thoughts and bad thoughts. The Hindus have reconciled this riddle of good and evil through the symbol of Kali. She is the embodiment of Energy and manifest in both benign and terrible ways. She dispenses the result of human karma. She is not responsible for the happiness or misery of human beings. These conditions are the outcome of their karma. When a person's desire is good, his resolution is good, his action is good, and his accomplishment is good; and vice versa. Kali is not cruel or partial; She loves all beings because all are Her children. The Symbolism of Kali Name: Kali is so called because She devours Kala (time) and then resumes Her own dark formlessness. She is the embodiment of three gunas (qualities of nature): She creates with Her sattva guna (quality of goodness and purity), preserves with rajas (passion and activity), and destroys with tamas (ignorance and inertia). Complexion: Her complexion is deep blue, like the sky. As the sky is limitless, so is She. From a distance one sees the ocean water as blue, but it is colorless and transparent when examined closely. Crescent above the forehead: She is the giver of liberation. Earrings: Images of two little babies hang from Her ears; this means that She favors childlike devotees. Smiling face: She is ever-blissful. Tongue: Kali's white teeth symbolize sattva or serenity; Her red tongue, rajas, or activity; and Her drunkenness: tamas or inertia. The meaning: tamas can be conquered by rajas, and rajas by sattva. Full breast: She is the nourisher of all beings. Terrible form: She is the mother of the universe as well as the destroyer. When a mother spanks her child, it does not mean that she is cruel; she disciplines her child for its own good. Necklace: It consist of fifty skulls that represent the fifty letters of the Sanskrit alphabet, the origin of sound. She is Shabda Brahman (Sound-Brahman) , or Logos-the source of creation. Two right arms: The upper right arm grants fearlessness, and the lower right arm offers boons. She protects Her children from danger, and She fulfills their desires. Two left arms: She holds a sword with the upper left arm and a severed head with the lower. She can cut human bondage with the sword of knowledge, and She imparts wisdom to the head, the receptacle of supreme wisdom. Naked form: She is called digambari, "clad in space." She is infinite, so no finite dress can cover Her. Waist: Kali's waist is encircled with a girdle of severed human arms that represent action. All human actions and their results go to the Divine Mother. At the end of a cycle all souls merge with Kali; during creation they again evolve with their respective karmas. Shiva is under Her feet: Shiva and Shakti are always together. He is the changeless aspect of the Supreme, and She the apparently changing aspect of the same. Shiva is pure cosmic consciousness, and Kali is cosmic energy. No creation is possible without their union. Siva cannot manifest without the power of Kali, and Kali cannot function without the consciousness of Shiva. Dakshina Kali and Vama Kali: If Her right foot is forward, She is Dakshina Kali (benign form); and if Her left foot is forward, Vama Kali (terrible form). May the Divine Mother Kali endow us with love and wisdom, discrimination and dispassion, bliss and liberation. Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Kali_Ma , Shane Gray <geminiacal999 wrote: > > > Hi to Jim M: that was good to see: someone using this site for actual Kali related chit chat. I am familiar with the way Kali Mandir (and it's associated temple: Dakshineswar in KolKatta) worship Ma. I find it interesting but too conservative for my liking: Vedanta is redundant. Tantra is far more practical for everyday devotees in this Kali-yuga. And remember that Ramakrishna was predominantly a Tantric with any arguments to the contrary being just an attempt by conservative and maniplative Vedantics to push their version of the truth. In addition i find Kali Mandirs dislike of Vamacara to be an attitude based upon being influenced by too many like minded conservatives which is why i will never visit their little exercise in westernised spiritual capitalism. Kali is my mother and she shows herself uniquely to me just as she does to all true devotees. She is not a goddess for human sheep, to be blindly followed like so called believers in the worlds > predominant abrahamical religions. She is for the induvidual in the crowd not the crowd itself which is why i really don't like mainstream religious structures which includes Brahmanical Indias attempt to domesticate her. Nevertheless what u have written is a start and thank Kali for that. Om Shantih, SKG. > PS: I am a devotee from melbourne, oz. Where are u from? and how did Ma' find u? > > --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Jim M <nightwolf1954 wrote: > > > Shane Gray, > I frist came to see MA during a 2nd level Reiki attunement in 1996 I was more than a lil freaked out seeing a blue/black nude female with a lot of Arms dancing on a large fern in my Reiki Master living room!!!!!!! >I learned over time who this beautiful GODDESS was and that I had many times in diffrent form and places bowed to Kali-MA in her many forms and names GODDESS is ONE and MA is ALL his truth is what we carry from Incarnation to incarnation MA is ALL all is MA.... >Inext learn of the Luguna beach MAndir and I am very much desiring to Go there for PUJA if MA grants it..... > I have a alter in my Apartment to MA and daily give Food and Prayers to HER.. I've found a great many beautiful picture on thr www of MA and am drawn to them each...... so that's the short version of my ourney .... > > How did each of you find MA and what has She done in your lives??? > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. > Show me how: http://au.mobile./mail > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 I usually post/reply at the beginning of someone's post, but I goofed. Here's a repost, plus additional comments: JAI MA KALI!!! The first time I saw a poster of Kali, I was deeply attracted to Her, but I thought She might be MEAN so I stayed away from Her. Years later, I was moved to read a book by a devotee of Hers (the woman who started the Kali Mandir in Laguna Beach, CA) I just can't stay away from Her now. I want to know more! I want to worship Her! I want Her to be my Mama.... I'm also attracted to Sekhmet (Tameran Goddess), but we're talking about KALI here! I was raised a Roman Catholic, so I enjoy the *structure* that oraganized religion has, BUT how I detest the hierarchy and sexist BS. I am a Scorpio from Chicago. OM KLIM KALIKAYEI NAMAHA!!! (Or should I use " Krim " ? - - and why?) - - - Faith Kali_Ma , Shane Gray <geminiacal999 wrote: > > > Hi to Jim M: that was good to see: someone using this site for actual Kali related chit chat. I am familiar with the way Kali Mandir (and it's associated temple: Dakshineswar in KolKatta) worship Ma. I find it interesting but too conservative for my liking: Vedanta is redundant. Tantra is far more practical for everyday devotees in this Kali-yuga. And remember that Ramakrishna was predominantly a Tantric with any arguments to the contrary being just an attempt by conservative and maniplative Vedantics to push their version of the truth. In addition i find Kali Mandirs dislike of Vamacara to be an attitude based upon being influenced by too many like minded conservatives which is why i will never visit their little exercise in westernised spiritual capitalism. Kali is my mother and she shows herself uniquely to me just as she does to all true devotees. She is not a goddess for human sheep, to be blindly followed like so called believers in the worlds > predominant abrahamical religions. She is for the induvidual in the crowd not the crowd itself which is why i really don't like mainstream religious structures which includes Brahmanical Indias attempt to domesticate her. Nevertheless what u have written is a start and thank Kali for that. Om Shantih, SKG. > PS: I am a devotee from melbourne, oz. Where are u from? and how did Ma' find u? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Hi Jim M and Faith too. My experience with Kali goes all the way back to when i was a child. However back then i didn't hav any concept of divinity, religion or spirituality. More recently it started with a simultaneous 'awakening event' which transformed my life completely about 7 years ago. I didn't actually begin on a spiritual path proper till i moved to melbourne from brisbane about 4 and a half years ago. I am a practising Wiccan (though not one of those fluffy bunny types) who is now fusing that path with Tantra. I became truly conscious of Kali about 3 years ago and have been devoted to her ever since. She communicates with me via dream, symbolism (everyday events) and through divination techniques like using Pendulums, Tarot and my own meditative intuition. Brilliant isn't it. Cheers to u both. Om Shantih (something i picked up from the maker of Ferment, a australian Kali related journal. Rather good). Ta ta 4 now. Thu, 9/7/09, Jim M <nightwolf1954 wrote: Jim M <nightwolf1954 Re: is Kala-Ma Terrible??Kali_Ma Received: Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 2:21 AM Kali_Ma@ .com, Shane Gray <geminiacal999@ ...> wrote:>> > Hi to Jim M: that was good to see: someone using this site for actual Kali related chit chat. I am familiar with the way Kali Mandir (and it's associated temple: Dakshineswar in KolKatta) worship Ma. I find it interesting but too conservative for my liking: Vedanta is redundant. Tantra is far more practical for everyday devotees in this Kali-yuga. And remember that Ramakrishna was predominantly a Tantric with any arguments to the contrary being just an attempt by conservative and maniplative Vedantics to push their version of the truth. In addition i find Kali Mandirs dislike of Vamacara to be an attitude based upon being influenced by too many like minded conservatives which is why i will never visit their little exercise in westernised spiritual capitalism. Kali is my mother and she shows herself uniquely to me just as she does to all true devotees. She is not a goddess for human sheep, to be blindly followed like so called believers in the worlds> predominant abrahami cal religions. She is for the induvidual in the crowd not the crowd itself which is why i really don't like mainstream religious structures which includes Brahmanical Indias attempt to domesticate her. Nevertheless what u have written is a start and thank Kali for that. Om Shantih, SKG. > PS: I am a devotee from melbourne, oz. Where are u from? and how did Ma' find u?> > --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Jim M <nightwolf1954@ ...> wrote:> > > Shane Gray,> I frist came to see MA during a 2nd level Reiki attunement in 1996 I was more than a lil freaked out seeing a blue/black nude female with a lot of Arms dancing on a large fern in my Reiki Master living room!!!!!!!>I learned over time who this beautiful GODDESS was and that I had many times in diffrent form and places bowed to Kali-MA in her many forms and names GODDESS is ONE and MA is ALL his truth is what we carry from Incarnation to incarnation MA is ALL all is MA....>Inext learn of the Luguna beach MAndir and I am very much desiring to Go there for PUJA if MA grants it.....> I have a alter in my Apartment to MA and daily give Food and Prayers to HER.. I've found a great many beautiful picture on thr www of MA and am drawn to them each...... so that's the short version of my ourney .... > > How did each of you find MA and what has She done in your lives???> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere.> Show me how: http://au.mobile. / mail> Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 hi FRIENDS There are lot of mis conception on the devine mother.. Kali .. means ..the one who is beyond kala .time ..she is the creater ... she long hair represents the jeevatmaas connected to the paramatma one one hair is the individual soul ... she is having mundamaala ... to understand her we must use our heart ..not intellligence give our head the intelligence to her let our ego be given to her .She is naked ... how can we put a dress to the god ..who is infinite . beyond time and space ...we cannot ..she is dark or blue in colour ..which represents the infinity .. no starting and no ending ..she is having a goblet where she collects the blood of Rakshasa " Dharaka ".. here the head of the demon represents the ego in us when we cut our ego and give it to maa only love will emit from it the blood she collects is the unconditional love and the head is our own ego ..she is having sword ...respresenting the knowlegde we have to use her sword to remove our ignorence and cutt it off ..she is having red tongue with white teeth .showning the satvan guna is always prominent than the rajogunna . she is standing on lord shiva with one leg on ground and other on his chest ..shiva is pure consiousness and the one leg on shiva represents that we should give importance to spirituality and other leg on the ground represents the material world . if we are keeping both the legs down we are in the material pool so even though we are in this world we should give importance to the god principal first .. This explanation of the devine mother is the KALI TATVVA . she is the one who is having so much expression than any other goddess .. she have smiling face , angry face .meditation face .. she is the truth . BRAMHAM SATYAM JAGAT MITYA .jai maa .BHAVATARINI .. --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Jim M <nightwolf1954 wrote: Jim M <nightwolf1954 Re: is Kala-Ma Terrible??Kali_Ma Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 9:51 PM Kali_Ma@ .com, Shane Gray <geminiacal999@ ...> wrote:>> > Hi to Jim M: that was good to see: someone using this site for actual Kali related chit chat. I am familiar with the way Kali Mandir (and it's associated temple: Dakshineswar in KolKatta) worship Ma. I find it interesting but too conservative for my liking: Vedanta is redundant. Tantra is far more practical for everyday devotees in this Kali-yuga. And remember that Ramakrishna was predominantly a Tantric with any arguments to the contrary being just an attempt by conservative and maniplative Vedantics to push their version of the truth. In addition i find Kali Mandirs dislike of Vamacara to be an attitude based upon being influenced by too many like minded conservatives which is why i will never visit their little exercise in westernised spiritual capitalism. Kali is my mother and she shows herself uniquely to me just as she does to all true devotees. She is not a goddess for human sheep, to be blindly followed like so called believers in the worlds> predominant abrahami cal religions. She is for the induvidual in the crowd not the crowd itself which is why i really don't like mainstream religious structures which includes Brahmanical Indias attempt to domesticate her. Nevertheless what u have written is a start and thank Kali for that. Om Shantih, SKG. > PS: I am a devotee from melbourne, oz. Where are u from? and how did Ma' find u?> > --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Jim M <nightwolf1954@ ...> wrote:> > > Shane Gray,> I frist came to see MA during a 2nd level Reiki attunement in 1996 I was more than a lil freaked out seeing a blue/black nude female with a lot of Arms dancing on a large fern in my Reiki Master living room!!!!!!!>I learned over time who this beautiful GODDESS was and that I had many times in diffrent form and places bowed to Kali-MA in her many forms and names GODDESS is ONE and MA is ALL his truth is what we carry from Incarnation to incarnation MA is ALL all is MA....>Inext learn of the Luguna beach MAndir and I am very much desiring to Go there for PUJA if MA grants it.....> I have a alter in my Apartment to MA and daily give Food and Prayers to HER.. I've found a great many beautiful picture on thr www of MA and am drawn to them each...... so that's the short version of my ourney .... > > How did each of you find MA and what has She done in your lives???> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere.> Show me how: http://au.mobile. / mail> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Hi everybody,It's nice to see posts from people who really care. Last couple of months, this forum had become a complete marketplace. All messages posted then were for getting some >>>.Money ....Money..Yea ...Yea... It's good to know what her form symbolizes. But what matters is: Is this knowledge helping me increase my DQ(Devotion Quotient) . Because at the end of the day, DQ is what will get you closer and make you believe.You know, it's really hard to believe in this era, with so much diversions and so many contradictory theories from science, especially human psychology. Let DQ show us the way.........On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Raj Sekhar <rsbittu2001 wrote: hi FRIENDS There are lot of mis conception on the devine mother.. Kali .. means ..the one who is beyond kala .time ..she is the creater ... she long hair represents the jeevatmaas connected to the paramatma one one hair is the individual soul ... she is having mundamaala ... to understand her we must use our heart ..not intellligence give our head the intelligence to her let our ego be given to her .She is naked ... how can we put a dress to the god ..who is infinite . beyond time and space ...we cannot ..she is dark or blue in colour ..which represents the infinity .. no starting and no ending ..she is having a goblet where she collects the blood of Rakshasa " Dharaka " .. here the head of the demon represents the ego in us when we cut our ego and give it to maa only love will emit from it the blood she collects is the unconditional love and the head is our own ego ..she is having sword ...respresenting the knowlegde we have to use her sword to remove our ignorence and cutt it off ..she is having red tongue with white teeth .showning the satvan guna is always prominent than the rajogunna . she is standing on lord shiva with one leg on ground and other on his chest ..shiva is pure consiousness and the one leg on shiva represents that we should give importance to spirituality and other leg on the ground represents the material world . if we are keeping both the legs down we are in the material pool so even though we are in this world we should give importance to the god principal first .. This explanation of the devine mother is the KALI TATVVA . she is the one who is having so much expression than any other goddess .. she have smiling face , angry face .meditation face .. she is the truth . BRAMHAM SATYAM JAGAT MITYA .jai maa .BHAVATARINI .. --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Jim M <nightwolf1954 wrote: Jim M <nightwolf1954 Re: is Kala-Ma Terrible?? Kali_Ma Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 9:51 PM Kali_Ma@ .com, Shane Gray <geminiacal999@ ...> wrote:>> > Hi to Jim M: that was good to see: someone using this site for actual Kali related chit chat. I am familiar with the way Kali Mandir (and it's associated temple: Dakshineswar in KolKatta) worship Ma. I find it interesting but too conservative for my liking: Vedanta is redundant. Tantra is far more practical for everyday devotees in this Kali-yuga. And remember that Ramakrishna was predominantly a Tantric with any arguments to the contrary being just an attempt by conservative and maniplative Vedantics to push their version of the truth. In addition i find Kali Mandirs dislike of Vamacara to be an attitude based upon being influenced by too many like minded conservatives which is why i will never visit their little exercise in westernised spiritual capitalism. Kali is my mother and she shows herself uniquely to me just as she does to all true devotees. She is not a goddess for human sheep, to be blindly followed like so called believers in the worlds > predominant abrahami cal religions. She is for the induvidual in the crowd not the crowd itself which is why i really don't like mainstream religious structures which includes Brahmanical Indias attempt to domesticate her. Nevertheless what u have written is a start and thank Kali for that. Om Shantih, SKG. > PS: I am a devotee from melbourne, oz. Where are u from? and how did Ma' find u?> > --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Jim M <nightwolf1954@ ...> wrote:> > > Shane Gray,> I frist came to see MA during a 2nd level Reiki attunement in 1996 I was more than a lil freaked out seeing a blue/black nude female with a lot of Arms dancing on a large fern in my Reiki Master living room!!!!!!!>I learned over time who this beautiful GODDESS was and that I had many times in diffrent form and places bowed to Kali-MA in her many forms and names GODDESS is ONE and MA is ALL his truth is what we carry from Incarnation to incarnation MA is ALL all is MA.... >Inext learn of the Luguna beach MAndir and I am very much desiring to Go there for PUJA if MA grants it.....> I have a alter in my Apartment to MA and daily give Food and Prayers to HER.. I've found a great many beautiful picture on thr www of MA and am drawn to them each...... so that's the short version of my ourney .... > > How did each of you find MA and what has She done in your lives???> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere.> Show me how: http://au.mobile. / mail> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 There are some errors in Swami Chetanananda's interpretation. <<<Kali is so called because She devours Kala (time) and then resumes Her own dark formlessness. >>> She not only devours Kala, but she is also the CREATOR of Kala. The name " Kali " can mean 'she who is the doer (creator or manifestor) of Time (Kala), as well as 'she who devours (absorbs back) Kala. Hence " kalI " -- with a long " I " . She is also therefore the " mistress " of Time. What was not created or manifested first, can never be devoured. What never existed in the first place, cannot be made non-existent. So the primordial enegy (adya shakti) first creates Time-Space, in which all of creation of all dimensions and levels come to being, exist and 'die'. this time-space is the first expression of the promordial enegy. As we know that science shows us that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but can only be transformed from one form to another, and the sum-total of energy is constant and infinite. This same energy under different levels of vibration, becomes time, space, heat, light, eletricity, matter etc. Space takes up three dimensions while Time (Kala) is the fourth dimension. Space comes just after the beginning of Time. Thus the primordial Energy herself 'conceives' Kala, and also abosrbs back Kala. <<<Crescent above the forehead: She is the giver of liberation. >>> the crescent has nothing to do directly with 'liberation'. The crescent moon signifies the passage of time and the cyclic process by which time gives birth to, and exterminates to again give birth. The moon wanes and waxes in a cyclic process -- providing a way to measure the passage of earthly time -- days, nights, fornights, months. These we can measure by observing the cyclic waxing and waning of the moon. hence the crescent on the forehead, to signify that Kali has time as her ornament, and for the same reason the crescent is also on the forehead of Shiva, since he is Mahakala. <<<Earrings: Images of two little babies hang from Her ears; this means that She favors childlike devotees. >>> the fetus represents the sunconscious and unconscious levels of the human mind -- since when the human life is at the fetal stage in the womb, the conscious mind and the superego (that part of our psyche which is the result and embodiment of our social-cultural upbringing, conditioning and human-made values) is not formed. But the subconscious is the same in a fetus as it is in an aged person. in order to reach Kali, we have to cultivate our consciousness -- we have to reach the very depths of our subconscious and unconscious. Because only when the division (fragmentation) between the conscious and the subconscious is undone, and only when the human psyche is integrated, can the voice spoken by the mind reach Kali. when the human being sheds his artifical social constructs, his artifical conditionings and values, when he joins the 'divisions' of his psyche into one integrated whole, when he c0omes to terms with his innermost, deepest self and level of existence, then he reaches Kali. <<<She can cut human bondage with the sword of knowledge, and She imparts wisdom to the head, the receptacle of supreme wisdom. >>> 'bondage' is a vague term, and any bondage is just a state of the mind. the sowrd is not for cutting any specific bondage per se, but it is for cutting the FALSE-CONSCIOUSNESS. Because it is false consciousness -- the false idea of who one is essentially, the arifical constructs and categories of human life that one ego-identifies with and thinks of as his real self or definition -- that is the real cause of anything being a bondage. without false-consciousness, nothing can be a 'bondage' to us -- those same things that had ben bondages become harmless or even beneficial. The sword of Kali does not aim to destroy specifically 'this bondage' or 'that bondage' in isolation, because for the human under false consciousness, as sson as one bondage is taken care of (if at all) another new bondage can easily take birth in his schem of things. So the Sword is aimed at the very root cause of all bondage -- false consciousness -- or the artificial limited ego. Once that is destroyed, what becomes 'bondages' for others will not be able to bind that person. The things that used to be 'bondages' loose their power to 'bind'. the very path by which one falls, becomes the path by which one rises. 'bondage' is only what our false-conciousness makes any thing to be. Nothing by itself is bondage or freedom, good or bad. That itself is the dichotomy, or fragmanted consciousness, which is the real bondage. kali's sword aims to destroy that, and not some specific thing that the human ego interprets as bondage. <<<Tongue: Kali's white teeth symbolize sattva or serenity; Her red tongue, rajas, or activity; and Her drunkenness: tamas or inertia. The meaning: tamas can be conquered by rajas, and rajas by sattva. >>> This is a lay and non-technical simplistic definition for the 'consumption' of the lay people. But it is not the authentic interpretation in the proper tradition of Kali-sadhana, i.e. in Tantra-marga. Kali's tongue has two primary meanings: (1) sexual gratification and (2) consumption of the (so-called) 'forbidden' or 'polluted', or conscious, but non-discriminating enjoyment of the world's 'flavors' -- the opposite of 'bondage' that is explained above. <<<Shiva is under Her feet>>> The conventional and common image of Kali that we see is not the original 'scripturally true' image of the Mother. Kali has three levels of maifestation (vikasa stara). The common image we mostly see is the third level of manifestation. The original image of contemplation (dhyan-murti) -- and the first level of manifestation, is that she is not standing, but SITTING on Mahakaal Shiva in a reverse coitus (viparita rati) position, or the 'woman on top' position. her left leg (in case of Vama Kali)or right leg is placed forward, and her other leg is in a kneel-down position. Below her is Shiva in the form of Mahakal -- whom the Primordial Energy (Kali) creates out of herself and copulates with, in order to bring forth creation in time-space. Mahakal is thus 'Saguna-Brahman' or the highest level of the Absolute in the realm of Guna -- Brahman as the active creator with his Shakti -- within whom all the rest of creation and manifestation takes place and is absorbed back. But Mahakal lies on the supine body of Sadashiva. Below Mahakala is Sadashiva -- or " nirguna Brahman " or the non-creative, inactive, immutable and attributeless aspect of Reality. Sadashiva is shown as 'lifeless' and totally blank, monochromatic and devoid of any sense or fucntions. Because he is 'nirguna' -- without any attributes or relativity. He is beyond even Mahakala. He becomes Mahakala -- through the creation of the Energy of the Absolute -- Kali, and unites with her in order to bring forth creation. This is the real image of Kali. The supine and unconscious or 'dead' Sadashiva, upon his body Mahakala, awake but lying on his back, and upon Mahakala, united with him and sitting in the reverse position, is Kali -- awakening Mahakal the 'saguna brahman' with her touch, energising him with her enegy, and spurring him to creation, preservation and dissolution. Thanks -- Jit. Kali_Ma , " Jim M " <nightwolf1954 wrote: > > By Swami Chetanananda > > > > Originally published in the 1996 Kali Mandir Puja Program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 <<<I thought She might be MEAN so I stayed away from Her.>>> She is still mean. but she wants her worshippers to be able to love her and want her in spite of knowing her to be mean, and not wanting her only after taming and diluting her to their liking and convenience. She does not like hypocrisy and the " shopkeeping " mentality. you can say that is the way she tests her children -- who looks for the " easy way out " and wants to follow her path not as it is but the way he or she would like it to be, and who is ready to take her on as she is, without any hesitation or compromise. she rewards only the latter type. as for those who try to take the easy way out, they will remain all their lives in the same level mentally, intellectually or spiritualy where they started from, without any improvement or realization whatsoever. and if they try to be oversmart and cheat themselves, she might just whack their asses red and make their life miserable. when she comes turning your life upside down, she does not come with a prior appointment. Her meaness and her intensity is her way of testing the inner substance of her children. the true child of Kali and the true hero is the one who loves the terrible AS terrible, who loves the dreadful AS dreadful. Kali is Life as a whole. Life is not only mean or only beautiful, but both at the same time. and in life they only enjoy and have the good things who are ready to go through and bear the tough times. those who look only for fun and enjoyment and try foolishly to stay away from hardships or challenges, are not going to have that fun and enjoyment for long. because everyone has to pay his or her due in life. only those who have the guts and heart to fight life's battle and take all the shit that life has to offer with a smile, can get the ultimate reward. it is the brave and the heroic who has the best of life. so Kali, who is Life and Existence, is both terrible and blissful. but in order to reach the blissful, she makes you go through the terrible first. that si the meaning of her " mean " ness. She does not offer comfort. she offers challenges. (Or should I use " Krim " ? - - and why?) It is 'krim'. 'klim' is the seed-mantra for Krishna and Kama. -- Jit Kali_Ma , " elgin0309.faith " <elgin0309.faith wrote: > > I usually post/reply at the beginning of someone's post, but I goofed. Here's a repost, plus additional comments: > > JAI MA KALI!!! > > The first time I saw a poster of Kali, I was deeply attracted to Her, but I thought She might be MEAN so I stayed away from Her. Years later, I was moved to read a book by a devotee of Hers (the woman who started the Kali Mandir in Laguna Beach, CA) I just can't stay away from Her now. I want to know more! I want to worship Her! I want Her to be my Mama.... > I'm also attracted to Sekhmet (Tameran Goddess), but we're talking about KALI here! > I was raised a Roman Catholic, so I enjoy the *structure* that oraganized religion has, BUT how I detest the hierarchy and sexist BS. > I am a Scorpio from Chicago. > > > OM KLIM KALIKAYEI NAMAHA!!! (Or should I use " Krim " ? - - and why?) > > - - - Faith > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Kali_Ma , " Jit Majumder " <jitmajumder212 wrote: > > > <<<I thought She might be MEAN so I stayed away from Her.>>> > > She is still mean. but she wants her worshippers to be able to love her > and want her in spite of knowing her to be mean, and not wanting her > only after taming and diluting her to their liking and convenience. She > does not like hypocrisy and the " shopkeeping " mentality. you can say > that is the way she tests her children -- who looks for the " easy way > out " and wants to follow her path not as it is but the way he or she > would like it to be, and who is ready to take her on as she is, without > any hesitation or compromise. she rewards only the latter type. as for > those who try to take the easy way out, they will remain all their lives > in the same level mentally, intellectually or spiritualy where they > started from, without any improvement or realization whatsoever. and if > they try to be oversmart and cheat themselves, she might just whack > their asses red and make their life miserable. when she comes turning > your life upside down, she does not come with a prior appointment. > > Her meaness and her intensity is her way of testing the inner substance > of her children. the true child of Kali and the true hero is the one who > loves the terrible AS terrible, who loves the dreadful AS dreadful. Kali > is Life as a whole. Life is not only mean or only beautiful, but both at > the same time. and in life they only enjoy and have the good things who > are ready to go through and bear the tough times. those who look only > for fun and enjoyment and try foolishly to stay away from hardships or > challenges, are not going to have that fun and enjoyment for long. > because everyone has to pay his or her due in life. only those who have > the guts and heart to fight life's battle and take all the shit that > life has to offer with a smile, can get the ultimate reward. it is the > brave and the heroic who has the best of life. so Kali, who is Life and > Existence, is both terrible and blissful. but in order to reach the > blissful, she makes you go through the terrible first. that si the > meaning of her " mean " ness. She does not offer comfort. she offers > challenges. > > > > (Or should I use " Krim " ? - - and why?) > > It is 'krim'. > > 'klim' is the seed-mantra for Krishna and Kama. > > > > -- Jit > >Thanks so much " Jit Majumder " for this description of KALI " S Attrubitues I have a Picture for my alter in which Kali-MA is bright Blue I call it Krishina Blue as a color SHe carries in one hand a fire Bowl in the othe a severed Head in the next a Sword or Cleaver? and In the LAst A flower I wonder which Description of MA this fits? I'm loving the interaction Folks and notice no Spammers!!!!!!!! JAI KALI-MA!!!!!!!!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I was just thinking the exact same very thing - about loving the interaction and being able to appreciate the reason i joined this group in the first place, instead of the usual constant stream of spams that sadly, end up finding their way through. Thank you for helping me to continue to renew my passion.Jai Kali Ma (i feel ...such love... from this sentiment!)> >Thanks so much"Jit Majumder" for this description of KALI"S Attrubitues I have a Picture for my alter in which Kali-MA is bright Blue I call it Krishina Blue as a color SHe carries in one hand a fire Bowl in the othe a severed Head in the next a Sword or Cleaver? and In the LAst A flower I wonder which Description of MA this fits? I'm loving the interaction Folks and notice no Spammers!!!!!!!! JAI KALI-MA!!!!!!!!!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 A big Good'day to all Kali groupies. U'z guys crack me up with your scripture spouting. Not that i have anything particularly against scripture infact i think it's a big part of what anyone with faith uses to understand better. I love the descriptions and symbolisms very much but there comes a time when you've just gotta 'DO IT'. That's where i'm at now, trying to do it as best as i can. I have a bucket of books and the like on Kali and they have been infinitely useful and inspirational but now i enjoy my times of ritual and meditation as much as i enjoy feeding my intellect. It's all about trying to get that balance. Keep up the great work folks. May Kali bless u or kick u in the ass as the situation needs. Cheers and Blessed Be. --- On Thu, 16/7/09, happytheclown <happytheclown37 wrote: happytheclown <happytheclown37Re: Re: is Kala-Ma Terrible??Kali_Ma Received: Thursday, 16 July, 2009, 4:55 AM I was just thinking the exact same very thing - about loving the interaction and being able to appreciate the reason i joined this group in the first place, instead of the usual constant stream of spams that sadly, end up finding their way through. Thank you for helping me to continue to renew my passion.Jai Kali Ma (i feel ...such love... from this sentiment!) > >Thanks so much"Jit Majumder" for this description of KALI"S Attrubitues I have a Picture for my alter in which Kali-MA is bright Blue I call it Krishina Blue as a color SHe carries in one hand a fire Bowl in the othe a severed Head in the next a Sword or Cleaver? and In the LAst A flower I wonder which Description of MA this fits? I'm loving the interaction Folks and notice no Spammers!!!! !!!! JAI KALI-MA!!!!! !!!!> Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Is it true that befour you start worshipe Kali you have to worship Ganesh first?2009/7/16 Shane Gray <geminiacal999 A big Good'day to all Kali groupies. U'z guys crack me up with your scripture spouting. Not that i have anything particularly against scripture infact i think it's a big part of what anyone with faith uses to understand better. I love the descriptions and symbolisms very much but there comes a time when you've just gotta 'DO IT'. That's where i'm at now, trying to do it as best as i can. I have a bucket of books and the like on Kali and they have been infinitely useful and inspirational but now i enjoy my times of ritual and meditation as much as i enjoy feeding my intellect. It's all about trying to get that balance. Keep up the great work folks. May Kali bless u or kick u in the ass as the situation needs. Cheers and Blessed Be. --- On Thu, 16/7/09, happytheclown <happytheclown37 wrote: happytheclown <happytheclown37Re: Re: is Kala-Ma Terrible?? Kali_Ma Received: Thursday, 16 July, 2009, 4:55 AM I was just thinking the exact same very thing - about loving the interaction and being able to appreciate the reason i joined this group in the first place, instead of the usual constant stream of spams that sadly, end up finding their way through. Thank you for helping me to continue to renew my passion. Jai Kali Ma (i feel ...such love... from this sentiment!) > >Thanks so much " Jit Majumder " for this description of KALI " S Attrubitues I have a Picture for my alter in which Kali-MA is bright Blue I call it Krishina Blue as a color SHe carries in one hand a fire Bowl in the othe a severed Head in the next a Sword or Cleaver? and In the LAst A flower I wonder which Description of MA this fits? I'm loving the interaction Folks and notice no Spammers!!!! !!!! JAI KALI-MA!!!!! !!!! > Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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